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Re: A constant battle...
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2014, 09:40:06 AM »
Thankfully hound hunting is pretty well a thing of the past in my area.  I have not heard a "chase" in many years.

Lynn - I have the same thing in Madison County, Virginia.  BUT, the hunting of bear with hounds is/has gotten very big.  I have been known to tell hound hunters that they had to WALK up the mountain to get their dogs, not letting them drive.   Virginia laws state that I must give them access so they can get their dogs.  It doesn't say how that I must give them access.  So far, no one has taken me up on my offer to walk. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D

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« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2014, 09:58:11 AM »
Don't mean to be a downer, but I think the more pertinent question is why is the public banned from hunting "public" land, and why does a "municipality" own 8100 acres?  Is this property under "wildlands" designation or some other sustainable development situation?

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« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2014, 07:24:40 AM »
Maybe this evidence will help you promote some wiser decisions from the "higher ups" who are missing the bigger picture.

Absolutely - I'm always documenting things like this and compiling quite the compelling portfolio :)

I take a very strong opposition stance on poaching, and always have. Any chance that deer could have come from another piece of property that adjoins the location where you located the bones?

It's possible, but unlikely that this could have come from anywhere else.  The only adjacent property nearby is townhouses and apartments - all someone has to do is step across a stream and they are in a fairly remote (no trails) area of several hundred acres.

ESFted - I didn't realize you were in the area, let me know if you are ever interested in coming out on the property and I'll give you a tour of the watershed.  A large portion of the county is locked into government ownership - at least there is some hunting permitted on the weapons station and other military bases.  The national park is a waste of a good resource as far as I'm concerned, they have a hands off approach to everything over there.

Don't mean to be a downer, but I think the more pertinent question is why is the public banned from hunting "public" land, and why does a "municipality" own 8100 acres?  Is this property under "wildlands" designation or some other sustainable development situation?

I don't think you're being a downer, and I think it's a great question - here's the answer :)

First off, I work for the Waterworks department of the City of Newport News.  We supply water for 400,000 people in the surrounding region - averaging around 35 million gallons of finished water every day.  We are unique in the water utility world in that we own a large percentage of our watershed - the land that drains into our reservoirs.  By owning this land, we are able to control what happens on that land - ultimately resulting in higher water quality in our reservoirs.  We actively manage this forestland - timber harvests, pre-commercial thinning, invasive species removal, etc.  However, because this is essentially a forest oasis in an otherwise developed area, we have competing multiple uses of the land.  Politics plays a big role in why hunting is not allowed, in my opinion.  We own the land, but the Parks and Rec folks also have some input in how the land is used - the director of that department does not view hunting in a favorable light, and having been here for 30+ years, he has some pull within the city.  I personally believe that there is plenty of room for a limited archery hunting program, and I will continue working towards that goal.  I get stopped on a daily basis by people asking when they'll be allowed to hunt our property, so I know the support is there - it all just boils down to the politics that are above my pay grade.  Did I mention I hate politics?  :D 

 
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« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2014, 05:35:00 PM »
It is nuts here in Ohio also then to make it even more crazy they just passed a law that you can have silencer's on shotguns and rifles  :-\ as far as I am concerned this will only make carzy's even crazyer.

Autocar: there are a lot of "requirement" and they are not really silencers (they use a different term if I'm not mistaken.)   The person using one has to be licensed (more $ for state to apply and maintain the license as fees.)   So more of a get some extra $ from a very small number of people...   The real issue will come into play when the parks department of cities hire sharp shooters to drop some of the over abundance of deer in those areas...


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First off, I work for the Waterworks department of the City of Newport News.  We supply water for 400,000 people in the surrounding region - averaging around 35 million gallons of finished water every day.  We are unique in the water utility world in that we own a large percentage of our watershed - the land that drains into our reservoirs.  By owning this land, we are able to control what happens on that land - ultimately resulting in higher water quality in our reservoirs.  We actively manage this forestland - timber harvests, pre-commercial thinning, invasive species removal, etc.  However, because this is essentially a forest oasis in an otherwise developed area, we have competing multiple uses of the land.  Politics plays a big role in why hunting is not allowed, in my opinion.  We own the land, but the Parks and Rec folks also have some input in how the land is used - the director of that department does not view hunting in a favorable light, and having been here for 30+ years, he has some pull within the city.  I personally believe that there is plenty of room for a limited archery hunting program, and I will continue working towards that goal.  I get stopped on a daily basis by people asking when they'll be allowed to hunt our property, so I know the support is there - it all just boils down to the politics that are above my pay grade.  Did I mention I hate politics?  :D 

 

I would put in a suggestion that the city water department issue permits to hunt, charging extra for a "Special Licenses" to take a Buck or Doe with specific requirements such as time and areas that can be hunted.    Might make some extra coin as a city $ making scheme 8) 8)..
 This can allow the city to manage WHO is on there and make them take classes (more $ if run by city) and also put these Hunters on hook for policing up the place some...   Issue special parks permit for them and areas they hunt to make sure the hunters themselves watch over the parcels. 

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« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2014, 05:54:13 PM »
that a great idea but we think different then the ones that make the big $ ;D

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« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2014, 08:40:28 PM »
The suggestion Spiker makes is actually pretty much what is presently done on Ft Pickett.  It seems to work quite well on 40,000 acres so maybe it would work there. 
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« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2014, 06:36:24 AM »
I would put in a suggestion that the city water department issue permits to hunt, charging extra for a "Special Licenses" to take a Buck or Doe with specific requirements such as time and areas that can be hunted.    Might make some extra coin as a city $ making scheme 8) 8)..
 This can allow the city to manage WHO is on there and make them take classes (more $ if run by city) and also put these Hunters on hook for policing up the place some...   Issue special parks permit for them and areas they hunt to make sure the hunters themselves watch over the parcels. 

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Ahh, see there you go making too much sense again :)  I think it's a great idea, and I've spent a fair amount of time compiling data on all the different programs out there that would be applicable for our situation.  I've had biologists come in from the Department of Game and Inland Fisheries as well as USDA - Wildlife Services to give presentations on deer management methods and programs that would work for us.  DGIF has even offered to help administer and staff a lottery archery hunt on our property.  But no matter how much factual data and planning efforts I put out there, it still boils down to politics and certain folks unwilling to recognize the overwhelming benefits (forest health, deer health, people health, financial health) that a hunting program could provide.  As the title says, it's a constant battle - in several directions it seems  :-\  I'll keep plugging along at it, sooner or later some people have to retire - I might only have 5 years here so my pull ain't as much as those other guys, but I've got youth on my side and you can't outrun father time :D
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« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2014, 08:07:05 AM »
Let me start by saying; Without a doubt, poaching and illegal hunts are a serious problem. I have NO tolerance for them.

That being said, there is no way you can safely assume the deer was shot on that land. I personally have tracked deer 6 miles to find them. There was enough blood you would have swore there was no way they could keep moving. But he did, and that was with a rifle. An arrow keeps the wound closed and slows the bleeding.

Another semi-personal experience, my brother was asked to thin the deer out on private land. (farmer that goes to church with us.) When he went out to scout the farm and set up some stands he saw a deer with an arrow sticking out of it back, almost straight up. The next weekend he shot that same deer, on the other end of the mans 6000 acre farm, across the river.

My point is that although you may be right, don't be so sure. There is two pages on this thread and multiple comments that obviously are ignorant. Started by an assumption.

I've had my problems with poachers, I had a neighbor ask to hunt my place and I told him no... he did anyway. I ask him again not to do it, he lied and said oh no it wasn't him and he wouldn't dare... blah bla blah. So I have video of him crossing the fence about 12' from the no trespassing sign, with his climbing stand and rifle. A week later the game warden arrested him on my property. Cost him 10K.

I hate it, I don't want problems with anyone, much less a neighbor. But my kids are out there every morning checking on the horses, and the other critters. I politely and then firmly on multiple occasions told him not to do it. Him getting in trouble bothered me for a while, but I sleep fine now.

Set up some trail cams and find out for sure.



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« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2014, 09:23:06 AM »
We were discussing enhancing our timber property for wildlife and even constructing a fishing lake. Our consultant advised, "if you want to draw  every poacher and uninvited neighbor to your property and allow them to enjoy the fruits of your labor".....well, we didn't and actually we gave up cultivating the manicured food plots in favor of natural brushy cover which is mowed high every other year. The brushy plots have worked very well actually, they bring in more critters than say, just a winter wheat plot.

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VT_Forestry,  Thanks for the invite, but we better wait until hunting season is over :)
Having done development design work for many years in Newport News and surrounding communities, it is safe to say that a few of the entrenched senior staff have been responsible for some of my most unpleasant experiences.  I use to add a 15% premium to my fees for having to deal with them....the stories I could tell :)  That being said, they have not achieved tenure by ignoring public sentiment.  Some way to organize the hunting public and make their collective voice heard would work wonders if the voices were loud enough.  It works for the Homeowners Associations.

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« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2014, 09:34:16 PM »
Let me start by saying; Without a doubt, poaching and illegal hunts are a serious problem. I have NO tolerance for them.

That being said, there is no way you can safely assume the deer was shot on that land. I personally have tracked deer 6 miles to find them. There was enough blood you would have swore there was no way they could keep moving. But he did, and that was with a rifle. An arrow keeps the wound closed and slows the bleeding.

Another semi-personal experience, my brother was asked to thin the deer out on private land. (farmer that goes to church with us.) When he went out to scout the farm and set up some stands he saw a deer with an arrow sticking out of it back, almost straight up. The next weekend he shot that same deer, on the other end of the mans 6000 acre farm, across the river.

My point is that although you may be right, don't be so sure. There is two pages on this thread and multiple comments that obviously are ignorant. Started by an assumption.

I've had my problems with poachers, I had a neighbor ask to hunt my place and I told him no... he did anyway. I ask him again not to do it, he lied and said oh no it wasn't him and he wouldn't dare... blah bla blah. So I have video of him crossing the fence about 12' from the no trespassing sign, with his climbing stand and rifle. A week later the game warden arrested him on my property. Cost him 10K.

I hate it, I don't want problems with anyone, much less a neighbor. But my kids are out there every morning checking on the horses, and the other critters. I politely and then firmly on multiple occasions told him not to do it. Him getting in trouble bothered me for a while, but I sleep fine now.

Set up some trail cams and find out for sure.
just wondering what he did to cost him 10k  ;D


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