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Identify this oak
« on: February 11, 2015, 06:49:29 PM »
 
 
  



Hi,
I was wondering if someone can help me identify this oak tree as I would like to get an advanced one for my back yard.

The oak is growing at my parents place. Dad planted it 30 years ago and thinks it could be a Red or Scarlet oak however the bark does not match what I have seen online. The bark is what I like about this oak. He collects oaks and has about 38 different types on this property so it is a little hard to keep track of them all. The tree is about 10 Ė 15m high/30+ feet. It has about a two foot wide trunk and the large leaf is about 8 inches/ 20 centimetres long. The dollar coin is about the same size as a US quarter. The leaf is dark green when compared to a pin oak. The soil is about 1 foot deep, good quality slightly acidic, then just clay.

Any help would be appreciated as I donít want to spend 100ís on the wrong tree.

Thanks,

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Re: Identify this oak
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2015, 07:25:56 PM »
Welcome to the Forestry Forum, poke2323.

I am not a tree identity person by any means, but for sure that one is of the Red Oak family.  :)
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Re: Identify this oak
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2015, 10:58:18 PM »
I'd also like to say welcome, there's a lot of people here that I won't question and Magicman would be right at the top of the list  ;).

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Re: Identify this oak
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2015, 11:02:26 PM »
Since you are in Australia, I am not sure what oak you have but it looks a lot like a Shumard Oak (Quercus shumardii) to me.
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Re: Identify this oak
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2015, 07:42:32 AM »
If it is an oak species native to North America, it would most likely be northern red oak as the sinuses do not penetrate more than halfway to the mid-rib.  Down here, shumard oak has sinuses that do penetrate more than halfway to the midrib.  However, since the tree is planted on another continent from its native range, all bets are off. 
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Re: Identify this oak
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2015, 10:09:31 AM »
That's why I love this place!  I have never seen or heard of a Shumard Oak, until today.  Those leaves in you pic don't look exactly like the pics I saw on the internet, IMO.  Doesn't matter, 'cause I learned something new anyway.  Please tell us when you get a positive ID.
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2015, 10:43:39 AM »
Whichever one it turns out to be, it sure likes its new home. It is growing like a rocket. just look at how fast those pruning cuts have covered and how tight and smooth that bark is stretched. I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't putting on 1/2 to one inch per year of trunk diameter. :)
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Re: Identify this oak
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2015, 04:18:24 PM »
Thanks for all the responses,

I think I maybe a northern red oak (Quercus rubra), best match so far. I like the look of the Shumard Oak (Quercus shumardii) leaf, however I do think the Ďsinusesí (New term I learnt, Thanks) are very different on the leafs that I collected.
My Fatherís favourite oaks are from north America thatís why I chose this forum, He is rather sure that it is a red oak, just not curtain of the exact type.

Could someone please explain why the bark would be so smooth on this tree compared to most of the other photos of the bark that I have seen on northern red oaks online, if that is what it is?

Thanks again,

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Re: Identify this oak
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2015, 05:09:43 PM »
Cause the bark is really down under....  ;D ;D
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Re: Identify this oak
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2015, 06:00:33 PM »
The bark changes with age; on northern red oak it is smooth when young.




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Re: Identify this oak
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2015, 08:29:35 PM »
Fastest growing trees tend to have smoother bark than slower growing ones of the same species. 

BTW, everyone knows northern red oak, most often referred to as "red oak" by the northern living, frozen, glaciated types on this Forum. 

In the deep South (US), shumard oak is one of the finest bottomland red oaks.  This one is a State Champion for Georgia.  150' tall. 

 

 

 

 
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Re: Identify this oak
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2015, 08:49:07 PM »
Looks like a lightning rod to me.   :-\
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2015, 08:55:05 PM »
This was the prior state champion.  It was a lightning rod. 

 

 

 

 
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2015, 09:06:42 PM »
It happens all too often to our tallest and nicest trees.
 

 
Two 36"+ Cherrybark Oaks nailed by the same lightning strike, or at least during the same storm.
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Re: Identify this oak
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2015, 09:20:05 PM »
Those cherrybarks are very nice.  Cherrybark and shumard are the two best bottomland red oaks. 
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« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2015, 10:36:01 AM »
I'm not so frozen that I can't feel envy; those are some impressive oaks.

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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2015, 09:37:51 PM »
once again i thought you guys were talking about me :D :D i have never been hit by lightning, my pith is off center and i'm getting some spungy spots usually associated with age 8)
sure looks like us northern red oaks tree to me :)
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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2015, 08:11:28 AM »
The tree in the op looks like the red oaks we had when I lived in central Texas that we called Spanish Oak. I don't know the true name for them. Same bark. Leaves may be a little different.
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« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2015, 07:45:35 PM »
Fastest growing trees tend to have smoother bark than slower growing ones of the same species. 

BTW, everyone knows northern red oak, most often referred to as "red oak" by the northern living, frozen, glaciated types on this Forum. 

In the deep South (US), shumard oak is one of the finest bottomland red oaks.  This one is a State Champion for Georgia.  150' tall. 

 

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can it be cut or does it get to live because its a state champion

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« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2015, 08:08:01 PM »
It is in a bottomland on a State Wildlife Management Area.  It could be cut if that area gets harvested.  Being the State Champion does not afford it any protection, although it would be a shame to cut it. 

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