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Re: Buying logs
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2015, 11:26:20 AM »
You are not the only one with a mess, trust me.  We have had almost 2 feet of snow over the past week, the 1st foot melted and left the ground thawed, then the second foot arrived and is slowly melting - keeping the ground complete soup.  Even the cold nights won't allow any freezing since the snow is insulating the ground.  I can hand fell and run my tracked processor but have to leave trees where they fall.   Hoping for some dry weather soon, I don't like to make giant ruts to just have to go back and fix them.  Here we have red clay, acts a lot like your blue clay in that it sticks to everything and holds water like crazy.  So yea - even the loggers can't get logs!!! 
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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2015, 01:47:59 PM »
Well, another 3 1/2" of rain so far today with more to come. Everything is flooded. till more rain to come over the next few days.

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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2015, 12:41:40 PM »
I'm inundated with logs. I've taken in a million BDF already this year. My problem is guys trying to sneak in a load of crap because the shavings plant down the road shut them off.
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« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2015, 05:09:48 PM »
Last person who tried digging a hole round here said there was 5' of frost
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Re: Buying logs
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2015, 10:48:14 PM »
The buyer for the local big mill is my neighbor and good friend. I am just getting into this game ,and asked him if there are any quality trees in the area that he just isn't interested in. His reply was that I could get all the trees I could handle within a 20 mile radius of my home, because the property owners had only a couple of trees and that only a few trees was not worth the cutting crews time. If this is true I could possibly be sitting on a goldmine.

This is what I do.  I have a log arch that runs behind my little tractor, and I can load in the street.  So I contact local tree trimmers and offer to pick up the trees for them.  They save money, I get trees often for free, and I keep sawing.  But I only do personal sawing, so a dozen trees a month is enough to keep me happy.
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« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2015, 12:47:12 AM »
Some background: I spent 4 years contract sawing for a timber framer. He bought the logs wherever he could and I sawed them to his specs. I managed his log yard for him so I know exactly what volume he bought and what he paid for it. I charged him by the BF of actual wood produced so I know exactly what his recovery was.

When the timber frame shop closed, I started buying logs from the local veneer (for plywood) company. They buy only top quality logs, but the logs will all be cut to 8'-8" lengths for the lathe. That means a 52' log can have a lot of sweep and still be suitable for them. They set aside the straightest logs -- the best of the best -- for me. They also mark them up a lot over their costs. In the end, I'm paying 50% more for the logs than the timber framer was :(. On the other hand, I'm getting 50% recovery than I did with the stuff the timber framer was buying :). Bottom line -- it costs me the same for the wood in a timber but I have a fraction of the waste to deal with ;D.

This works out well. The veneer plant goes through as much wood in half a day as I saw in a good season. They have way more influence with the loggers and the loggers know better than to slip in a bad load.

I have a first rate relationship with the log buyer at the veneer plant. I pay what he asks -- I never try to bargain. When the invoice arrives, my cheque is in the mail the next morning.

It never hurts to visit a big mill -- especially if you are doing specialty stuff and they aren't. Most important, though ... you have to know the economics of your operation extremely well. You're going to pay more for the logs so it's up to you to know how high you can go and still make a comfortable return.
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« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2015, 01:35:08 AM »
My next door (property) neighbor is a private logging company. He's cutting a stand of Western Red Cedar within 10-20 miles. I ordered minimum 34 foot long, minimum 14" tops. (Approximately 25 per Self loader truck) I ordered 5 trucks (16-1800 per truck) delivered and stacked on sacrificial logs. Should be stacked in the next week or two.
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