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Re: Help me find Hardwood Pegs
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2015, 07:25:46 AM »
The ideal peg is not perfectly round and smooth, but slightly octagonal. The angled edges give it more 'bite' and also crush slightly when driven in, gripping really well. A smooth peg would work but wouldn't be as good. Also, it wouldn't look as good as a traditional hand crafted peg, in my opinion. Even if you decide to use turned pegs, sitting on a shave horse making pegs with a draw knife is something carpenters have been doing for centuries and I recommend you give it a go. I also slightly taper my pegs.

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Re: Help me find Hardwood Pegs
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2015, 01:13:31 AM »
Ohhh Man!!
You know, it's not like I don't already have enough projects to build...now you're telling me I've got to build a shave horse!?!
Ahhh, just kidding.  First I've got to learn a little about Timber Framing, then I'll probably build a timber frame shave horse.   Thanks for the experienced opinions.
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Re: Help me find Hardwood Pegs
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2015, 05:55:05 AM »
Another way of making pegs is by knocking the blanks through what is essentially a short length of pipe the diameter of your pegs (here pegs are most commonly 3/4”), sharpened at one end and welded onto a tripod. I think this is probably quicker than turning would be. A few taps and a perfect dowel falls to the floor. You still need to cleave the blanks, so you’d need to make a froe (I forged mine from an old leaf spring). Then axe the end of the peg like a pencil.

I have also seen square pegs in old buildings.

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Re: Help me find Hardwood Pegs
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2015, 02:58:04 PM »
Good to hear you're keeping too busy to get into trouble...that's my technique too.
I take it you are doing the old style wall building and finishes for a customer.
Father-in law and I are getting ready for the Timber Framing course next week.
Shopping for mallets and will probably turn some more from hickory at a later date.
Also, planning on making our own marking knives.  I have some very high quality tool steel in the lathe/mill pile of goodies.
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Re: Help me find Hardwood Pegs
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2015, 07:55:39 PM »
There wouldn't be any strength difference between shaving or turning them. There is one advantage that I have found with making an octagonal pegs. If it is turned it is very easy for the peg to be either too big or too small, making them hard to use ( A turned peg just a 64th too big can be impossible to drive). If they are octagonal the points and flats allow for more of a usable range (the points can bite and the flats can miss to a certain extent). I also let the pegs sit in a bucket of linseed oil to keep them easier to drive and flexible.
That is what I have found that works the best for me, but there are a lot of different methods.
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Re: Help me find Hardwood Pegs
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2015, 10:09:37 AM »
The shaving horse can be fun...but it took about 3 tries to get one that worked for me.

Search YouTube - there are some good ideas out there.   Some are works of art.  Some are more practical.  I ended up using some screws and bolts to hold it together.  Function became more important then style for making barn parts. 

We bought wooden pegs, but worked the ends a bit so rough cut points stick out rather than the smooth turnings.  I have also made spindles for railings with the shaving horse out of new oak. 

 

    

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Re: Help me find Hardwood Pegs
« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2015, 08:32:45 AM »
Here is 2 more cents.  Riven in my opinion is the key factor.  I will say depending on how straight your riven blank is turning it should be fine.  I've found there can be a bit of curve to my blanks that is not a problem if finished by hand.  Turning a curved blank may be an issue.  I enjoy hand shaving my pegs and likely can produce them more quickly from a blank than I could set up and turning on a lathe.  The pegs were never intended to be perfect. 
Enclosed is a peg in a joint with the large end square.  Truly a square peg in a round hole.  This is from the attic of a ~1790 Episcopal church in upstate NY.  The peg was shave 8 sided and tapered on the opposite end.  Someone saved time by working only the 1 end.
Interesting discussion but 100-200 years ago I assume the pegs were split from a block then hand shaved with a draw knife or chisel.  I tend to use historical practices just my choice.

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« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2015, 08:36:45 AM »
 

  

 
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« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2015, 08:40:58 AM »
 

 
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Re: Help me find Hardwood Pegs
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2015, 04:19:22 PM »
All good information!
It sounds like I'll be building a shave horse at some point in my future.
I'm likely to try both shaved and turned pegs, just to see how they differ.
I like the idea of soaking them to increase flexibility and lubricity.

It's cool that a simple question here can turn into a long list of answers based on years of personal experience
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Re: Help me find Hardwood Pegs
« Reply #30 on: May 27, 2015, 08:06:53 PM »

I like the idea of soaking them to increase flexibility and lubricity.


Your pegs want to be dry when you assemble the frame.

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« Reply #31 on: May 27, 2015, 10:08:14 PM »
Explain your statement Dan.
Is that to avoid future shrinkage?
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« Reply #32 on: May 28, 2015, 08:04:38 AM »
Yes - they will loosen as they shrink. Also the ends of dry pegs won't mash up when you drive them home.

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« Reply #33 on: May 28, 2015, 04:39:40 PM »
Thanks Dan, that makes sense.
I'll plan on keeping them dry, rather than soaking.

Slightly off topic...We went out to the creek front property yesterday and staked the pad for 6 driven pilings.  We'll be building a 14 X 20 deck and building our 1st timber frame structure there.  It will be a 14' hexagon shaped gazebo with a small deck facing the creek and a stone fireplace and maybe a small stone pizza oven. 
To be used for grilling and chilling.  Can't wait to get started.
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Re: Help me find Hardwood Pegs
« Reply #34 on: June 11, 2015, 12:29:33 PM »
www.loghomestore.com has 3/4" and 1" round different lengths up to 14" in ash oak maple and some black locust. I bought over 100 or so 3/4" black locust 8" long from them, nice quality, they're located in Oregon.

On the site, look under hardware/fasteners/timberframe pegs.


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