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« on: February 28, 2016, 10:40:35 PM »
Forgive me if this has already been asked, but could someone please tell me if there is any benefit to the  Stihl M-Tronic ? 

Stihl states... "With STIHL M-Tronic™ an onboard microprocessor digitally monitors and automatically compensates for changes in your work conditions including elevation, temperature, fuel quality, varying octane levels and dirty air filters."

In your opinion would it be better to stick with the older saws or buy new?

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Re: Stihl M-Tronic
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2016, 05:43:58 AM »
you know what,i actually like it!
i have several older Stihls,but i grab a MS362cm when i dont want to think about the saw,just the cut.
It hasnt been a problem to date,and the saw runs exceptionally well.

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« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2016, 12:14:33 PM »
Amazing technology!  A dealer can hook the saw up to a laptop computer and it can show how many hours the saw has on it, how many rpm it run last. .......
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« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2016, 04:00:13 PM »
I like things to be kept as simple as possible.  The more complex it is, the more things there are to fail and the more expensive it is to fix it.  We don't need this technology in chainsaws.  It effectively removes humans from the tuning process and if the saw isn't running just right, it has to go back to the dealer.  These saws could become very expensive to own after the warranty is over.
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« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2016, 05:35:32 PM »
I think for a chainsaw owner who makes a living with a saw this technology is a good thing. And surprisingly I've met alot of professional saw users who don't know alot about repairing chainsaws.
For a reputable dealer I think it brings business back to him enabling him to offer better service with money saved for the enduser, eliminating hit and miss diagnosis  and unnecessary part swapping.
 But if I'm not mistaken Husqvarna sells the AutoTune software for the enduser as I saw it in my 562XP parts  list. Whether or not it's easily accessible for the general public I can't say for sure.......
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Re: Stihl M-Tronic
« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2016, 06:20:48 PM »
You might be surprised how many tree service guys never make any engine adjustment to a saw, ever.

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Re: Stihl M-Tronic
« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2016, 08:34:57 PM »
I'm  not sure about longevity yet but i will say there is no comparison between the M-tronic version and old style. M-tronic cuts better, runs better and is a LOT easier to start. Since they have been out I'v probably sold 20 of them, not a single one has came back. I get a normal one back a lot more often.

I dont mind a customer working on a saw or tuning it but provable fact is, you can not tune one better than the saw can tune it self. If it will hold up to test of time.
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Re: Stihl M-Tronic
« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2016, 08:47:40 PM »
You might be surprised how many tree service guys never make any engine adjustment to a saw, ever.
I know exactly what you're saying as I own and operate a tree service company.  But thankfully I have 20 years of logging experience falling timber under my belt and before that born/raised working on a farm.
I know some arborists who never sharpened a chain, just swap out to a new loop when the last one gets dull. Lot's of talk on arborist tree forums about buying a "ported" saw but no serious thought in keeping it sharp.
The way I figure it is a good majority of these guys were raised in the city........

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Re: Stihl M-Tronic
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2016, 05:42:43 AM »
there are a heck of a lot of dealers out there who do a terrible job of tuning saws,i know this from bitter experience.
They are there to sell stuff,not fix things.
the Mtronic makes it a little more idiot proof,and thats a good thing IMHO
ps, I totally agree with Holmentree about chain sharpening vs hotrod saws- very true.

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Re: Stihl M-Tronic
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2017, 02:34:24 PM »
I'm going to bring this one back up. It's been almost a year since this post was launched and I am wondering if anyone has any updates or problems with the M-tronic?

I am looking at the Stihl MS 261 C-M with the M-tronic to replace my old 028.

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Re: Stihl M-Tronic
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2017, 02:49:47 PM »
I have a 362 c-m haven't had an issue with it yet, but I haven't gotten to run it as much as I want or need to.
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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2017, 06:39:46 PM »
Well im going to the dealer tomorrow to look at and probably buy it.
Ill give a full report when i do.

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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2017, 02:01:27 PM »
MS362CM here. No problems.

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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2017, 01:20:07 PM »
I too am following this thread - I 'm debating 362 w/mtronic or 461 w/o  . I only occasionally come up with need for the larger bar of 461 but don't want to go smaller than 362 w/o mtronic .

No rush just yet so I 'm listening to folks w/experience as long as I can


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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2017, 03:57:13 PM »
I bought a Stihl MS 261 C-M last year fort cutting firewood. Seems to work will.

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Re: Stihl M-Tronic
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2017, 02:00:44 PM »
Stihl M-Tronic and Husqvarna AutoTune in my opinion are the way to go, no matter if it's for commercial use or casual use.

I'm a tree service owner/operator and my experience for optimum saw performance is fuel quality. I have a number of saws in my arsenal that are not used that often. I keep them fueled up with Stihl's Moto Mix that I buy by the gallon can.
This fuel has a 2-3 year shelf life after opened (depending on climate)and I can't say enough good things about it. Best stuff you can run in your saws for the best performance whether it's MTronic or not.
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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2017, 03:38:40 PM »
Hey Guys! After months of debate which saw to get, I finally picked up my MS 461 yesterday!!  Haven't had a chance to run it yet tho. Super excited!
I'll be in touch here when I get my next delivery of lumber. Should be this week! :)


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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2017, 04:58:25 PM »
I too just bought a 461, my advice is to contact your dealer and see if your new 461 is one affected by the current fuel line recall. Unfortunately mine is, after only a half a tank of fuel it is leaking.

As far as m tronic goes I am all for it. My 661's are my favorite saws. And have had absolutely no complaints with them.
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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2017, 05:14:11 PM »
I too just bought a 461, my advice is to contact your dealer and see if your new 461 is one affected by the current fuel line recall. Unfortunately mine is, after only a half a tank of fuel it is leaking.

As far as m tronic goes I am all for it. My 661's are my favorite saws. And have had absolutely no complaints with them.

I had to wait until their new shipment came in from those recalls. I'm hoping they should be fine.
But I will post something when I get a chance to use it.
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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2017, 07:24:45 PM »
M-tonic here to. Went from 660's to 661's. I'm not lookin back. Very pleased
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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2017, 09:56:18 PM »
I too just bought a 461, my advice is to contact your dealer and see if your new 461 is one affected by the current fuel line recall. Unfortunately mine is, after only a half a tank of fuel it is leaking.

As far as m tronic goes I am all for it. My 661's are my favorite saws. And have had absolutely no complaints with them.

I had to wait until their new shipment came in from those recalls. I hoping they should be fine.
But I will post something when I get a chance to use it.

Your dealer must stay on top of things. Mine just found out Tuesday about the newest trouble. He is waiting for the stihl rep to make a visit to explain what needs replaced to correct the issue. He said it may be 2 weeks before an official recall is put out. So if my dealer info is correct it wouldn't hurt to stay in touch with your dealer.

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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2017, 09:50:54 AM »
We have been using a 362 cm for a year now in our tree service and except for one issue while working in 100 + temps the saw has been great.
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« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2017, 10:29:54 AM »

 I went to the dealer but the 261 he had did not have the M-Tronic. So he ordered me one. Should be here this week. Looking forward to my first new saw since I won the huskey at the FF picnic!  8)
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« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2017, 09:34:48 PM »
You might be surprised how many tree service guys never make any engine adjustment to a saw, ever.
And when they do they screw it up.  There have been many ,many saws screwed up by guys with little screw drivers that didn't know what they were doing

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« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2017, 09:37:49 PM »
You might be surprised how many tree service guys never make any engine adjustment to a saw, ever.
And when they do they screw it up or make it run worse usually.  There have been many ,many saws toasted  by guys with little screw drivers that didn't know what they were doing.

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« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2017, 12:48:54 AM »
Dad bought a 261 M-tronic 2 months ago, loves it.

The ease of starting is a big plus for a 77 year old.

I've ran it, seems to have more power than my 026, but my saw has a lot of miles on it.

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« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2017, 10:00:15 AM »
You might be surprised how many tree service guys never make any engine adjustment to a saw, ever.
And when they do they screw it up.  There have been many ,many saws screwed up by guys with little screw drivers that didn't know what they were doing
Yep most of these tree arbs are so focused on the latest handiest dandiest rope  friction hitch, brush chipper, boom truck.... that they totally neglect to fully understand their most important tool to get the job done in the first place.  :D

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« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2017, 02:00:19 PM »
M-tronic is based on the early Husky AT, and they pay royalties to Husky to use it.

Husky didn't want that to happen, but the EU forced them to, to "avoid a monopoly situation". The same is the case with some "strato" patents. As some may know, the EU effectively is attempting to move all production of "final products" to Germany, and Sweden was stupid enough to join the EU.
Norway never did, formally, but there are close relations anyway, so a lot of the crap that the EU comes up with applies here as well.

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« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2017, 09:57:03 PM »
New rant;

I may have forgot to say that I don't like the EU, and the multitude of agendas that system has - and the main culprit is of course Mrs Merkel, that want everything to be centralized into Germany, and is doing a too good job about it.
Also, the EU "parliament" are politicians that didn't succeed in their home country, but were "cast off" to the EU - and politicians are the lowest creeps on the earth. They are earning good money by just having opinions and "debating", not by doing anything useful.

Often they spent years at a university (collage) to study some meaningless subject, "debating" and drinking a lot of beer in the process - there are several hundred meaningless "subjects" that can get you a collage degree, more or less specially designed for such people, so they end up with a degree that sound fine, but is totally useless outside politics. The state and communities here don't understand (or simply ignore) that those degrees are meaningless, so the ones that doesn't succeed in politics can get a well paid job there, because of their meaningless "degree".

On top of that they often are arrogant, because they have a "degree" - never mind that it is totally useless in any context.
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« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2017, 02:09:04 AM »
I'm very pleased with the M-tronic on my MS 661 and it doing something I can tell. When I go from have done some milling to doing some felling the saw seems "dull" it have optimized it self to run full throttle and using it's torque and not to get quick up to speed but after after a couple of minutes it have adjusted itself to the work I'm doing so something is going on :) 
The main reasons for me to buy the new 661 instead of the 660 was the lower fuel consumption but mostly lower vibrations in the handles.

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« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2017, 07:40:55 AM »
New rant;

I may have forgot to say that I don't like the EU, and the multitude of agendas that system has - and the main culprit is of course Mrs Merkel, that want everything to be centralized into Germany, and is doing a too good job about it.
Also, the EU "parliament" are politicians that didn't succeed in their home country, but were "cast off" to the EU - and politicians are the lowest creeps on the earth. They are earning good money by just having opinions and "debating", not by doing anything useful.

Often they spent years at a university (collage) to study some meaningless subject, "debating" and drinking a lot of beer in the process - there are several hundred meaningless "subjects" that can get you a collage degree, more or less specially designed for such people, so they end up with a degree that sound fine, but is totally useless outside politics. The state and communities here don't understand (or simply ignore) that those degrees are meaningless, so the ones that doesn't succeed in politics can get a well paid job there, because of their meaningless "degree".

On top of that they often are arrogant, because they have a "degree" - never mind that it is totally useless in any context.
  sounds a lot like here

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« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2017, 01:39:05 PM »
New rant;

I may have forgot to say that I don't like the EU, and the multitude of agendas that system has - and the main culprit is of course Mrs Merkel, that want everything to be centralized into Germany, and is doing a too good job about it.
Also, the EU "parliament" are politicians that didn't succeed in their home country, but were "cast off" to the EU - and politicians are the lowest creeps on the earth. They are earning good money by just having opinions and "debating", not by doing anything useful.

Often they spent years at a university (collage) to study some meaningless subject, "debating" and drinking a lot of beer in the process - there are several hundred meaningless "subjects" that can get you a collage degree, more or less specially designed for such people, so they end up with a degree that sound fine, but is totally useless outside politics. The state and communities here don't understand (or simply ignore) that those degrees are meaningless, so the ones that doesn't succeed in politics can get a well paid job there, because of their meaningless "degree".

On top of that they often are arrogant, because they have a "degree" - never mind that it is totally useless in any context.

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« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2017, 08:07:06 PM »
I agree great post Niko :)
And like you said it all "goes back to Germany " like history had always proven that.
Seems logical enough Britain breaks away from the EU .......
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« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2017, 06:56:26 AM »
 It's just a tiny bit off topic tho...
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« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2017, 06:33:11 AM »
Hey I believe you will absolutely love the 461 I know I do..... being able to bury a 25" bar in any hardwood and not slownitbdown is prettty sweet.....

   I know it's been stated slot, but the saw will gain attitude after a break in time.....I know my 461 was quite a bit stronger after 10-15 tanks of fuel, than it was after only a tank or two...


   Let us know what you think of it...... oh and what size bar do you have on her!!!!

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« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2017, 10:35:49 PM »
Hey I believe you will absolutely love the 461 I know I do..... being able to bury a 25" bar in any hardwood and not slownitbdown is prettty sweet.....

   I know it's been stated slot, but the saw will gain attitude after a break in time.....I know my 461 was quite a bit stronger after 10-15 tanks of fuel, than it was after only a tank or two...


   Let us know what you think of it...... oh and what size bar do you have on her!!!!

I cannot wait to run it! I gotta 20" b/c
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« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2017, 11:04:13 PM »
I have two cars, the older one with a carburetor and the other with fuel injection controlled by an ECU.
The one with the carb is good to drive, stamp on the accelerator and off it goes. Go up a hill it takes it easily halfway and if I keep the accelerator pressed a bit of pinging comes on unless I change gears. If I go up into the mountains the engine runs rich unless I open up the carb and put in a leaner jet or adjust the fuel screw and/maybe the ignition timing.
If I happen to have fuel that is a bit 'off' the engine plays up and starts knocking. On the highway (not so frequently) I find that my setting of the carb and timing for my usual drive is not that great. Ditto in traffic.
In my newer ECU controlled car, all the variables are taken care of, the temperature, the altitude, the position of the accelerator, the gear selected,whether I am riding the clutch the quality of fuel, and much more.
It does have its negatives, but a whole lot of positives, depending on the situation.
The M-Tronic would be something like that ECU I think.

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« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2017, 11:27:12 PM »
Have MS461's throughout our fire department with no issues.

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« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2017, 11:59:35 PM »
I just thought I should mention this.
The MS461 does not have M-Tronic. It is a 3 pole coil that electronically advances the ignition timing and also limits the rpm to 13500.
It has an exhaust stratified system which saves fuel by a good 20% when compared to its 'older' brother the 046/460.
Though power specs are the same as the 460, the power and torque delivery are much better.

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« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2017, 11:18:05 AM »
I also was shocked at how much torque the saw had.... I mean you can lean on the 25" bar in the hardwoods I cut here in Indiana, and she just eats right threw it....I know that the saw is a minor benefit to me and my small operation, so I am very happy....


    A buddy of mine that I buy part saws off of has a ported 372 husky waiting on me whenever I am ready to buy it....i can't wait to see what the husky saws are about, granted this one is ported, but it's a husky none the less.... everyone love the 372, so I am very anxious to try her out!!!!

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« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2017, 01:05:18 PM »
 I just bought a new 372xp and so far really like it. I went with an adjustable saw this time just so I can have atleast 1 saw that I can prety much fully service my self, but the next saw I buy will definatly either be a M-tronic or autotune because I hear a lot of good about them. My cousin has a M-tronic 261 and really likes it and my dad uses a (IIRC)362 M-tronic at work and says it seems to do real well.
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« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2017, 10:06:49 PM »
After listening and studying on it a bunch I ended getting a Stihl 362 . Haven't used it yet ( I just brought it home ) . I don't think starting it at the dealers counts .

I've liked the other Stihls I own or use so I 'm hoping for good things with my first mtronic .


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« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2017, 10:50:56 AM »
Well let us know how you like the ms362!!!

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« Reply #43 on: February 04, 2017, 02:23:22 PM »
Just wanted to update you guys on my purchase of my MS 461. I have only about 3 tanks of gas thru her so far & she has run great.
No gas leak issues & starts right up after fueling. I also have another load of wood coming in about a week. This load was Walnut & some Red Oak.     I'm happy so far :)


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« Reply #44 on: February 04, 2017, 07:22:38 PM »
I'm going to bring this one back up. It's been almost a year since this post was launched and I am wondering if anyone has any updates or problems with the M-tronic?

I am looking at the Stihl MS 261 C-M with the M-tronic to replace my old 028.

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« Reply #45 on: February 04, 2017, 09:36:40 PM »

I just purchased a MS 261 C-M this morning. I'll run it sometime this week. Cost me about $550 and was given a 2 year warranty with it.
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« Reply #46 on: February 14, 2017, 04:34:39 PM »
Quote
I just purchased a MS 261 C-M this morning. I'll run it sometime this week. Cost me about $550 and was given a 2 year warranty with it.

I got a 261 C-M two years ago and it cost me 820€ ($870) (catalog price). Here in Greece everything is more expensive and people get paid less. I will never understand economy... Anyway, I love the saw. Never had a problem with it. I think M-Tronic rocks!
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« Reply #47 on: February 16, 2017, 11:20:04 AM »
I've got no complaints. I replaced my old 028 with it. It weighs less and has more power.

I do notice some folks saying that they are easy to start. It is just as easy to start as all of my other saws. 6 or so pulls cold and 1 when warm. Any saw of mine that doesn't start like that gets a good talking to and a going over.  ;D

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« Reply #48 on: February 17, 2019, 09:02:15 PM »
Have owned the MS 441 CM when it first came out with the M-Tronic;  Since then I have also purchased the MS 241 CM and the MS 261 CM and have had NO problems with them.  Did sell the 441, for I did not care for the Wrap-Around Handle.  Just two weeks ago I purchased the MS 462 CM and I am in the process of breaking it in.
Having the three different size saws makes it efficient:  462 for falling and bucking large trees. The 261 is used mostly.
The 241, very light, is used to cut limbs and branches, using the Pico chain.
    So I have been with the M-Tronic, since it came out and like it very much.

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« Reply #49 on: February 17, 2019, 09:11:10 PM »
Welcome aboard Rich! Can you fill in your profile and let us know where you are and what you are cutting?
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« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2019, 11:43:30 PM »
I recall that in the 50s when the first transistors started appearing here the experts claimed they would never replace the sturdiness of the valves. A decade or more later I saw the first integrated chip (Sinclair) and again the experts claimed they could never do the work of transistors. More recently I heard this about micro chips. In engines I heard this as fuel delivery moved from a basic carburetor, to single point fuel injection, mult-point, cb points to electronic , mechanical injectors to solenoid, to piezoelectric...
Heard it more recently when the exhaust stratified 461 (who uses waste gases) was compared to the clean air stratified 575,..........and, it will continue, until we come to grips with technology.
So, I think the M-tronic just like everything else needs some time for getting accepted.  Just the fact that a screw driver no longer works but you need a laptop or PC to fine tune should not be a retarding factor.
The 'expert's will find will find their way around it soon enough.
A very good example is my Fiat with a multijet turbo diesel. A tuner has developed a multi-mode map for the ECU, regular (stock), sports for fun at the signal light, economy for highway cruises and a high torque mode for bumper to bumper traffic. Switchable from mode to mode by switching off the engine, turning on the ignition and pressing the accelerator to select mode 1, 2, 3 or 4 which is indicated by the fuel gauge moving from Empty , Quarter, Half, Three Quarter and Full being the selected mode.
If an independent tuner in a country like mine can do this for Mercs, Bee Ms, Toyota and such, I am confident that soon members on this forum and elsewhere will find the ways and means to custom tune M-tronic very very soon. :)

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« Reply #51 on: February 18, 2019, 12:48:54 AM »
I don't make money using saws. But I save money doing my own maintenance and using what I can for firewood and hobbies. Still, I wanted three new saws that would last me a long time, be easy to start, and wouldn't require much maintenance over cleaning and sharpening.

While I really, really would have loved to have a brand new MS201CEM and a MS261CM, I ended up buying 3 Echos, CS-361P, CS-490, as well as a CS-2511T for over $400 less than what the 2 M-Tronic Stihls would have cost me, and over $900 less than if I added in the MS150TCE.

I do think the 2 M-Tronics 35 and 50cc saws are a cut above the two similar Echo's I got though. And I really do like most Stihl equipment. But all three of my new saws have been super easy to start and trouble free, and have required a minimum of tuning.

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« Reply #52 on: February 18, 2019, 10:12:15 AM »
I bought an M-tronic Ms261cm last year. I'm very impressed with this little saw. It has a surprisingly good amount of torque and has ran flawlessly from 90°F to -20°F, and I've never reset it or anything. Turn it on, pull the cord, and go👍
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« Reply #53 on: February 21, 2019, 05:30:16 AM »
I have a 341 (bought new)  and a secondhand 660. Pretty old fashioned and especially the 660 is a beast 8). They work well and only had some issues with broken oilpumps. When I want to buy a new one I will go for a 461 or 661, but will they work fine with high temperatures as well with the M-tronic? I mean >30 degrees celcius ( 85-95 fahrenheit)
And nobody ever had problems with the processor etc? And if so, is it possible to replace the processor by yourself? 

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« Reply #54 on: February 21, 2019, 07:10:47 AM »
I recall that in the 50s when the first transistors started appearing here the experts claimed they would never replace the sturdiness of the valves. A decade or more later I saw the first integrated chip (Sinclair) and again the experts claimed they could never do the work of transistors. More recently I heard this about micro chips. In engines I heard this as fuel delivery moved from a basic carburetor, to single point fuel injection, mult-point, cb points to electronic , mechanical injectors to solenoid, to piezoelectric...
Heard it more recently when the exhaust stratified 461 (who uses waste gases) was compared to the clean air stratified 575,..........and, it will continue, until we come to grips with technology.
So, I think the M-tronic just like everything else needs some time for getting accepted.  Just the fact that a screw driver no longer works but you need a laptop or PC to fine tune should not be a retarding factor.
The 'expert's will find will find their way around it soon enough.
A very good example is my Fiat with a multijet turbo diesel. A tuner has developed a multi-mode map for the ECU, regular (stock), sports for fun at the signal light, economy for highway cruises and a high torque mode for bumper to bumper traffic. Switchable from mode to mode by switching off the engine, turning on the ignition and pressing the accelerator to select mode 1, 2, 3 or 4 which is indicated by the fuel gauge moving from Empty , Quarter, Half, Three Quarter and Full being the selected mode.
If an independent tuner in a country like mine can do this for Mercs, Bee Ms, Toyota and such, I am confident that soon members on this forum and elsewhere will find the ways and means to custom tune M-tronic very very soon. :)
I hope you're right Joe. I agree with your general points, and I love my 362cm, but I wonder how many people will have the know-how to hack on saw computers. Cars have a wide audience, but sawyer/hacker/gearhead is a rare combination I imagine.

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« Reply #55 on: February 21, 2019, 07:48:35 AM »
 I have had my 261-CM for over a year now and have no complaints.
I do have a warning. Don't let it run out of gas. I have done this twice now and it took about 30 pulls to get it going again.

 This saw rides in the truck with me when I am up on the tree farms in WV so it gets used about every other weekend.

 I have had my 661-CM for almost as long and it mainly gets used on the chainsawmill.  It is a real bruiser and I'm glad to have it.

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« Reply #56 on: February 21, 2019, 08:18:55 PM »
Im not a fan of the autotune but once I mod the second linkage they work fine, the Mtronic seems to work pretty good and the latest 462 seems to work the best

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« Reply #57 on: February 22, 2019, 09:46:43 AM »
I'm curious, what does the 2nd linkage do and how did you mod it?
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« Reply #58 on: February 22, 2019, 11:37:41 AM »
I have had my 261-CM for over a year now and have no complaints.
I do have a warning. Don't let it run out of gas. I have done this twice now and it took about 30 pulls to get it going again.
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HA - funny you should mention that Jon - I did run out a couple of times with the new 261 I have as well..  
I found it goes quite a way on a tank full over my older 026 and previous 290 to the point where it allows me to get caught up on my cutting and forget about fuel related things.. so inevitably the end result is it just dies without so much as a single cough or fart as a carb'd version might give, well before you can shut it down.. 
My guess is the M-Tronic adjusts so well that it runs perfectly right until the last drop unlike older versions which usually give some lean-warning or surging as notice of impending doom..   
AND as you mentioned it does take quite a bit of effort to resurrect it again.  
I found the weight of it, lack of vibration, and good balance, all contribute to making the time fly by and instead of getting tired enough to stop and refuel as an excuse to take a break the C-M version lets me just power on through - sufficiently to forget to look at the tank level and paying for it with the dreaded 'empty' hard restart penalty.
I'm really pleased with the saw and especially the performance of it though, all things considered!
 

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« Reply #59 on: February 22, 2019, 11:43:50 AM »
My 362 will get subtly irregular when it gets low on fuel, and I stop to fill it. Haven't run it out of gas yet due to the warnings here  :^D

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« Reply #60 on: February 22, 2019, 02:20:55 PM »
Yeah you wouldn't want to be in the predicament of a barber chair on a tree splitting up 30 feet above you when your saw stops the instant you're half ways through the back cut.
That Mtronic should have a built in warning signal when it's starting to run out of gas.
My 261 I noticed it had a slight ignition miss right before it almost died and I was able to turn it off in time.
 But I was just lucky I was paying attention.
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« Reply #61 on: February 23, 2019, 12:29:57 AM »
I just bought my 4th M-Tronic saw, a 241c. I don't think it will take over the 362c for riding shotgun with me, I love that saw, all-around. I'm stingy, so all the M-Tronics I have are second-hand to me. But I'm happy to say, I haven't had major issues yet.
I like that one can perform a simple reset for various situations, especially when entering a new season.  Then they seem to run like a champ.

I would like to ask: does one benefit from modding (intake/exhaust port timing grinding or muffler mods) the M-Tronic saws in the same way as a normal carb? I wonder how hot I can make my 241c before I run into issues -- but I'm also OK if the suggestion is to leave it alone.

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« Reply #62 on: February 25, 2019, 06:43:55 AM »
Check out this thread starting at reply #507.
Actually the whole thread is worth the read!

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« Reply #63 on: February 25, 2019, 07:54:54 AM »
I definitely agree with the "do not run out of fuel" statement!!!!!!!

Is that enough !!!!?? :)

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« Reply #64 on: March 12, 2019, 03:49:43 AM »
Last week I was at the stihl dealer. I know the guy pretty good, and asked about the M-tronics. He told me that the first models had some problems, he thought it was the 201 tophandle who were the first with m-tronic. After the first models they never had serious problems. Most important thing is to keep everything clean when refilling and servicing. When there are problems with the M-tronics, people will say it's a software problem but in fact the problem is caused by bad maintenance and contamination. It's not my experience, just tell what he told me last week  ;)

He didn't recognize the problems with running out of fuel either, is everyone here having problems with it? 
He also told me that you can reset the m-tronic by running it on choke for 60 or 90 seconds. It's a kind of calibration, and mostly the problems will be solved. When carburettor and everything is clean offcourse... And the microprocessor/unit is easy to replace. 

I think my next saw will be a m-tronic, than I can figure it out my self  ;D

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« Reply #65 on: March 20, 2019, 11:28:17 PM »
Regarding M tronics VS older conventional models there has been a raging debate out here . Both Stihl and Husqvarna sell and service many saws in this neck of the woods . Most folk up here live at 7-10,000 ft 
most fuel wood cutting is done between 9-11,000 . Talking to dealers and many folk using the newer M tronic models , most folk seem very unhappy with their performance.
 I'm not referring to a home owner occasionally cutting but people who make a living selling firewood or cut their own for winter.
BUT Ive never owned one so my impression is based on other peoples feedback.
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