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Author Topic: Dump Trailer w/Grapple Loader Diversity  (Read 3794 times)

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Offline snowstorm

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Re: Dump Trailer w/Grapple Loader Diversity
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2017, 05:27:52 PM »
Dig a pond???? No say it isn't true

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Re: Dump Trailer w/Grapple Loader Diversity
« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2017, 08:37:52 AM »
OK, it's not true! We have a large Hitchai excavator and a Case 480 backhoe for heavy digging. We also now have 16 ponds of various sizes to maintain shorelines and feeder ditches that do not require large heavy equipment to maintain.
My main issue here is whether an orange Peel Grapple with interchangeable faces on four tines would be a more versatile grapple head for a variety of uses than other types. We are visualizing a "one size fits all", although maybe not perfectly, to do all jobs we anticipate. We realize that knuckle boom devices are for lifting and loading, not digging hard dirt. The problem seems to be that there is presently no Grapple of this type available for a knuckle boom loader. To really evaluate the practicality of a four tine grapple with individual hydraulic Controll on each opposing pair, we would likely need to have such a unit custom made. At 80 years young, I am no longer capable of doing this, so will need to find someone to custom design and fabricate, or at least modify a factory made grapple. I find no factory made units available with the desired features.

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Re: Dump Trailer w/Grapple Loader Diversity
« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2017, 09:46:19 AM »
One issue you will find with an orange peal grapple on a small loader is the weight of a grapple will really limit what you can lift. Having all four jaws controlled independently means lots of mechanical parts, which is more weigh and more to go wrong. So you will need a larger loader and larger trailer, etc

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Re: Dump Trailer w/Grapple Loader Diversity
« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2017, 10:13:35 AM »
http://www.kinshofer.com/en/index.php/en/crane-2/scrap-handling/orange-peel-grapples

Are you looking for 1 like this ? They come in a 4 tine smallest weighs in at 726 lbs without the rotator.
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« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2017, 01:53:39 PM »
The Kinshofer with four arms looks about right. I don't know if they sell in the US. There would only be one extra valve, because both sets of OPPOSING LEGS would operate with its own valve, making a total of two valves instead of one in order to operate the opposing legs independently of each other. This would be mostly used in loading logs to improve gripping. It may also assist in digging. Tree Diggers work with four spades, each lowered independently and in rotation so as to not lift the digger out of the ground.

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Re: Dump Trailer w/Grapple Loader Diversity
« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2017, 01:59:35 PM »
With quick couplers on the hoses and one pin to knock in and out a bucket change can be done pretty quick.
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Re: Dump Trailer w/Grapple Loader Diversity
« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2017, 03:33:30 PM »
If the smallest one weighs 750 odd pounds, that's how much the grapple hanging on the Ponsse K100 on the BuffaloKing weighs. Lifting capacity approximately 3.5 tons.
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« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2017, 04:48:04 PM »
There web site said Sanborn, NY. Just scroll down to the bottom, click contact, and scroll down to the one for the US. Pick up the phone call the 1-800-# and empty your pockets.....I'm sure that thing isn't cheap.
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Re: Dump Trailer w/Grapple Loader Diversity
« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2017, 05:03:09 PM »
Most of those small trailer mounted loaders have a lifting capacity of 1500-2000 lbs. Hang close to half that capacity in just the grapple and rotator and you will be sadly disappointed with the performance.

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« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2017, 05:59:20 PM »
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« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2017, 07:56:37 PM »
Most of those small trailer mounted loaders have a lifting capacity of 1500-2000 lbs. Hang close to half that capacity in just the grapple and rotator and you will be sadly disappointed with the performance.
i agree. he has a excavator just use that. a 480 case that has gotta be old. i haven't see one of those in years

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Re: Dump Trailer w/Grapple Loader Diversity
« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2017, 09:06:26 PM »
I tried to find the video I had seen on youtube a few years ago but had no luck.

It was a video of mini porter with the ability to put on a dump box and convert the grapple into a clam bucket, It looked like a nice rig to do the kind of work you describe, not for tough digging but more for moving gravel and cleaning out drains and culverts. The grapple to clam bucket looks like a less costly option.

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« Reply #32 on: April 21, 2017, 08:51:19 AM »
I think a clam style bucket would be a better, lighter, cheaper dirt loader.  Ive run a sennebogen scrap loader with orange peel and i cant imagine effectively doing pond maintenance with it.  We use an ibeam to groom the gravel lot but thats pretty different than loading muck.

What about a bypass log grapple with bolt on fabricated sideplates that turn it into a clamp bucket?  I have a garden tractor with a blade that i bolt various side plates onto for specific tasks with excellent results. 
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« Reply #33 on: April 21, 2017, 07:11:40 PM »
I sure appreciate all of the suggestions, I am beginning to feel that one grapple attachment will not do all. I think for loading sand, gravel, and loose dirt a clam type would certainly work best. I found a Finnish Grapple imported into the US and Canada with dealers stateside that specializes in firewood, but looks like it would handle logs, brush, and even possibly rocks. I will try to insert a photo here, but have not learned too well yet. There is a You Tube video also.

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« Reply #34 on: April 21, 2017, 09:42:44 PM »
Branch Manager makes a bolt on bucket that goes on their grapples, good for stump grindings,chips or brush think it's on you tube

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Re: Dump Trailer w/Grapple Loader Diversity
« Reply #35 on: April 22, 2017, 05:42:59 PM »
I was just about ready to give up on a four tine all purpose Grapple when I found this You Tube video;

Check it out!

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« Reply #36 on: April 22, 2017, 05:50:39 PM »
Well that looks exactly like what you're looking for, it does exist! ;) It looks slick!
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« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2018, 06:54:10 PM »
Wow I really like the look of that grapple, any idea what it retails at?

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« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2018, 07:23:45 PM »
That works better than i expected
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« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2018, 06:15:57 AM »
Hey that looks pretty handy,


buy 'er up and let us know how it works out!!
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