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Cutter Profile Ripping vs Crosscut
« on: June 08, 2019, 08:48:33 AM »
My mill is supposed to come in next week. My intention is to use use my RM2 chain, and slowly adjust the profile as I sharpen it, eventually ending up at ~10. Using a crosscut profile isn't ideal, but it'll work sufficiently well til I get it where I want it.

My question is how well does ripping chain work as a crosscut? I could start reprofiling it sooner doing normal stuff if it'll work sufficiently well. I'm cheap, and don't like removing a bunch of tooth to get where I want. I'm also patient, and don't require the best finish on anything. Going forward, I could start "priming" my ripping chains using them for crosscutting, and adjust the profiles for a couple sharpenings so I'd be starting halfway there when they get on the mill.

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Re: Cutter Profile Ripping vs Crosscut
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2019, 10:18:42 AM »
I never filed a new crosscut chain down fully to 10 before milling. Just file about a quarter of the top plate 10 to the outside corner.
Ripping chain may not win a crosscutting race but it crosscuts just fine.
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Re: Cutter Profile Ripping vs Crosscut
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2019, 10:33:26 AM »
Willard, do you have an image showing that setup? I may also begin on a Cross Cut Chain...
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Re: Cutter Profile Ripping vs Crosscut
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2019, 03:59:44 PM »
I found the cut very rough with standard angle chain. I'm betting that because it was .404 harvester chain with .50 rakers it was worse than regular chain.

The chain would pull side to side as the cutters would go through the wood leaving a very rough and wavy finish. I figured this would cause extra wear on the bar grove sides and on the chain so I reground to 10 and it cut way smoother, after a while I tried 5 even smoother, then I got to thinking that my table saw ripping blade is 0 so I tried that on a chain even better and a plus is that I could set my chain grinder to 0 and grind both sides easily keeping all the cutters the same.


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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2019, 08:45:51 PM »
Willard, do you have an image showing that setup? I may also begin on a Cross Cut Chain...
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Steve, I just filed a cutter for demonstration.
From 30 to 10. On a new chain you don't need to file down the whole cutting edge.


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Re: Cutter Profile Ripping vs Crosscut
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2019, 07:24:28 AM »
Thanks, Willard.
I bought an MS661CM yesterday, that I want to start milling with......
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Re: Cutter Profile Ripping vs Crosscut
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2019, 09:40:58 AM »
Thanks, Willard.
I bought an MS661CM yesterday, that I want to start milling with......
Congratulations with the saw purchase. You shouldn't be disappointed with that smooth running saw.
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Re: Cutter Profile Ripping vs Crosscut
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2019, 10:22:32 AM »
My mill is supposed to come in next week. My intention is to use use my RM2 chain, and slowly adjust the profile as I sharpen it, eventually ending up at ~10. Using a crosscut profile isn't ideal, but it'll work sufficiently well til I get it where I want it.

My question is how well does ripping chain work as a crosscut? I could start reprofiling it sooner doing normal stuff if it'll work sufficiently well. I'm cheap, and don't like removing a bunch of tooth to get where I want. I'm also patient, and don't require the best finish on anything. Going forward, I could start "priming" my ripping chains using them for crosscutting, and adjust the profiles for a couple sharpenings so I'd be starting halfway there when they get on the mill.
Can't you guys buy 10 degree crosscut chain from the dealer? why do you want to start with a normal chain? have lots laying around?
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Re: Cutter Profile Ripping vs Crosscut
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2019, 11:01:34 AM »
I have a 100' reel of RM2. Probably a lifetime supply  :^D  But yea, I could buy ripping chain.

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Re: Cutter Profile Ripping vs Crosscut
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2019, 07:49:38 PM »
A couple of swipes with the file on each new 30 cutters and you're good to go. Couple more sharpenings and it's 10 straight across.
OEM ripping chain is money down the drain guys.
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Re: Cutter Profile Ripping vs Crosscut
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2019, 10:16:12 AM »
Everybody has an opinion .I've done very little ripping and what was done was with a McCulloch 125 c ,that's 123 cc .Using a Grandberg mini mill I could get about 1 foot a  minute on 18" oak .Using standard chisel chain it wasn't nearly as rough as a circular saw .Besides that if it's going to be finished lumber you are going to plane it anyway .Usually the logs are just something that has been salvaged from being cut up for firewood .So kerf width is not that important .

If you can attack the log at about a 45 degree angle a chisel chain will not pull saw dust and it won't blow noodles  it can't spit out .It will be a relatively  smooth cut .You might have to file it quite often .


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