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Re: Official MS261CM vs 550XP test
« Reply #520 on: August 21, 2018, 09:54:36 PM »
Why 1/2 filed 3/8 chain?
Chain cuts a little more efficiently when it has been filed back a good bit.
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« Reply #521 on: August 21, 2018, 10:17:18 PM »
Why 1/2 filed 3/8 chain?
Maine, 1/2 filed back 33RS 3/8 pulls in the kerf about equal to a new loop of 23RS .325
I'm all about production with how fast my saws cut, I'm not expecting too much out of a 50cc saw.
But I do have this 261 churning pretty good without doing mods to the cylinder. That I refuse to do, my 066 Magnum went 27 years before its cylinder was removed for a OEM rebuild.
I don't expect the 261 to go near that many years as it will get used alot more often.
But seriously the longest bar that will stay on the 261 is a 16". Until the MS462 is in my hands my 562XP will sport a18" b/c and the 066Mag /064 hybrid will get the new 20" ES Light bar backed up with a 28" ES when needed.
Found out recently why my Stihl dealer won't order Stihl Ultra mix oil anymore,  because he had a hard time selling it .
His past excuse was it's no longer sold in Canada :D
So I'm looking at this full synthetic mix I can buy from a local hardware store. $11 USD for a 16 ounce bottle. It claims a 5% to 10% increase in power and extra protection. I think the 261 and 066 will like it alot :)


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Re: Official MS261CM vs 550XP test
« Reply #522 on: August 21, 2018, 11:38:46 PM »
Ok I was just curious i have noticed 1/2 to 1/3 filed is my favorite range on a chain. I have a friend who plans on getting  a 261 and he wants to run 3/8 on it
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Re: Official MS261CM vs 550XP test
« Reply #523 on: August 22, 2018, 04:19:32 AM »
I run a 16" 3/8 on my stock MS 261 CM. I use the saw mainly to Limb and Buck smaller rounds behind my MS 461. It's not an issue, although I don't bury the bar.....
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Re: Official MS261CM vs 550XP test
« Reply #524 on: August 22, 2018, 07:45:16 AM »
Willard -

Is that RedLine mix oil designed for air-cooled engines?
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Re: Official MS261CM vs 550XP test
« Reply #525 on: August 22, 2018, 07:52:04 AM »
I have a 20" bar on mine and it has been buried on quite a few walnut trees and some hickory. Still the most powerful best cutting saw I have run.  I find anytime I use the points to pivot I stall the chain but if I let it do its thing it fly's through everything I have let it attack.

I am not sure if what I am cutting is that hard on chains or if the hand filing I am doing is not very good. but it seems the sharp blade does not last very long. Good news is it doesn't take long to do a quick touchup but be nice if it lasted longer
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Re: Official MS261CM vs 550XP test
« Reply #526 on: August 22, 2018, 08:30:53 AM »
Willard -

Is that RedLine mix oil designed for air-cooled engines?
Are you sure you want to change to another oil??
i'm no fan of changing oil in my chainsaws, always used stihl oil my whole life and never had a problem with any saw. and i mix them as recomended 1:50
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« Reply #527 on: August 22, 2018, 11:13:33 AM »
Willard -

Is that RedLine mix oil designed for air-cooled engines?
Are you sure you want to change to another oil??
i'm no fan of changing oil in my chainsaws, always used stihl oil my whole life and never had a problem with any saw. and i mix them as recomended 1:50
teakwood and John,
Yes it is rated for air cooled engines. This Redline oil has the same JASCO FB/FC and API TC rating as the Stihl and Husqvarna pre mixes.
I noticed some varnish on my 261's piston when I did the muffler mod so I may need some extra cleaning and protection with this full synthetic oil.
Varnish can be caused by stale fuel or improper fuel mix ratio. But I always use fresh premium gas and 40:1 over 50:1 shouldn't be a problem with these new high performance Stihl engines rated for 50:1.
But who knows I haven't been able to get full synthetic Stihl Ultra mix for a few years now. My dealer says he will only order a whole case for me as he can't sell it locally for its high price.
By the time (years) that I use up all those bottles some of the solvents will have already leached through the plastic bottles.
The next nearest Stihl dealer is 600 miles away.
I feel confident this RedLine mix oil will be safe at 50:1.


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Re: Official MS261CM vs 550XP test
« Reply #528 on: August 22, 2018, 09:50:27 PM »
Nothing to report on the MS261CM today as I put my 066Mag-28" to work removing 5 oversize spruce, jack pine and poplar.
The old 066 really impresses me how much power it really does have.
I'm running a 8 tooth rim with a loop of 28" 33RSC chain and it rips with the bar completely sunk in wood.
Amazing thing about the 27 year old 066 is I recently rebuilt it with new OEM bearings, seals and rubber parts but still running the original P/C and rings.
And get this, I never changed the original carb diaphrams!

Got my new 20" Stihl ES Light bar today. Will be running it on the 066 to back up the 562XP-18".
I weighed it and it weighs 2 lbs exact. I weighed a Cannon 20" bar I have and it weighs 4 lbs 1 oz :o
So the light bar should seem pretty impressive especially on the 066.

As the last pic shows I wasn't too impressed with the surface of the aluminum insert on the left hand side. The right hand side was perfectly flat with no indent lines.
Will see how the bar holds up, hope I don't bend this expensive bar as my normal practice of hammering them straight might seperate the insert.


 

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« Reply #529 on: August 23, 2018, 08:13:22 AM »
Nice, i definitely need to buy this bar too for the 361.

there is a person in Great Britain who sells them pretty cheap
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« Reply #530 on: August 23, 2018, 08:54:52 AM »
Must be $95US?
I paid over $180 CDN with tax for mine.
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« Reply #531 on: August 23, 2018, 03:33:27 PM »

Found out recently why my Stihl dealer won't order Stihl Ultra mix oil anymore,  because he had a hard time selling it .
His past excuse was it's no longer sold in Canada :D
So I'm looking at this full synthetic mix I can buy from a local hardware store. $11 USD for a 16 ounce bottle. It claims a 5% to 10% increase in power and extra protection. I think the 261 and 066 will like it alot :)

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Willard - if you are looking for some Stihl Ultra here is a response I got this AM regarding some Ultra from a dealer close to you.. 
Hope this may help - I'm sure you could get some Bus Expressed to you at any point pretty cheaply or the next time you or a friend passes through there..


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Yes we stock all the Stihl products and accessories 200 ml mix oil is $3.00 ea and can be purchased in any quantities.
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« Reply #532 on: August 23, 2018, 05:50:12 PM »
Randy, thanks for contacting Chris at B&C in The Pas. But Chris doesn't sell Ultra anymore either. He stopped selling it 5 years ago , a year before I moved out of The Pas. That $3 price is for 200ml of regular Stihl mix.

So I got my 066 Mag/064 Hybrid suited up today with a brand new 20" Stihl ES Light bar. Sure balances the saw nice, got a spare 25" 28" and 36" all .050 gauge and big dog sprocket cover to handle anything else.
Very versatile and nothing this 7.8 h.p. ole girl can't handle :)


  
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« Reply #533 on: August 23, 2018, 06:08:55 PM »
Willard,
That bar looks downright disproportionate to the saw now, although I bet it is much easier to handle (I have visions of the saw flying upward when you go to pick it up, because you gathered an un- needed bunch of energy to hoist it compared to the old saw/ Bar combo). Much the way I feel when I go to pick up my MS 261 CM after running my MS 461 for a while (maybe I should get one of those bars for the 461).
Thanks again for sharing your knowledge and experiences with us.
Ps. If I send you the muffler off my MS 261 with some frog pelts rolled up in it, will you do that mod and send it back (I'll pay the comm to FF.)?
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« Reply #534 on: August 23, 2018, 07:51:51 PM »
Willard - Chris must not read very well obviously as my question was "do you stock and sell Stihl Ultra premix oil".. I mentioned that I found it hard to find in that area and specifically mentioned 'ULTRA'.. the price did seem a bit less than I expected - as I pay $24 - $25 per 6 pack of Ultra here though..
Sorry - It certainly sounded like I had found you a neighborhood source - when all I guess I found was a neighborhood guy who couldn't or doesn't read well! :D

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« Reply #535 on: August 23, 2018, 08:34:55 PM »
Willard - Chris must not read very well obviously as my question was "do you stock and sell Stihl Ultra premix oil".. I mentioned that I found it hard to find in that area and specifically mentioned 'ULTRA'.. the price did seem a bit less than I expected - as I pay $24 - $25 per 6 pack of Ultra here though..
Sorry - It certainly sounded like I had found you a neighborhood source - when all I guess I found was a neighborhood guy who couldn't or doesn't read well! :D
Chris has had other problems of late, Arctic Cat pulled the plug on his franchise.
But he does very well with his Mercury outboard motors and Lund boats. He recently bought a gas station, car wash and quick lube  too.

He is a  very loyal Stihl dealer for sure, his day job is a freight train engineer. His wife and grandson plus 2 employees run the dealership.
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« Reply #536 on: August 23, 2018, 08:46:03 PM »
Willard,
That bar looks downright disproportionate to the saw now, although I bet it is much easier to handle (I have visions of the saw flying upward when you go to pick it up, because you gathered an un- needed bunch of energy to hoist it compared to the old saw/ Bar combo). Much the way I feel when I go to pick up my MS 261 CM after running my MS 461 for a while (maybe I should get one of those bars for the 461).
Thanks again for sharing your knowledge and experiences with us.
Ps. If I send you the muffler off my MS 261 with some frog pelts rolled up in it, will you do that mod and send it back (I'll pay the comm to FF.)?
Thanks olcowhand for the offer, I definitely have to do a much better job doing that muffler mod. Pretty rough quick mod I did there so I would never expect anyone to pay for that.HaHa.
The outlet deflector has to be removed to do a proper job enlarging the outlet, then needs to be silver soldered back on. But I'm right out of acetylene  for my torch.
 Matter of fact a whole new larger outlet deflector would need to be installed.
Might be a good winter off season project  :)
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« Reply #537 on: August 25, 2018, 08:55:40 AM »
(maybe I should get one of those bars for the 461).


That bar will be the perfect match for a 461
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« Reply #538 on: August 27, 2018, 07:29:29 AM »
Glad U.S. pricing is not Canada ! You do pay through the nose for those nice govn't "services".
I did muffler mod my old but hot climbing saw Stihl top handle 009. It's the one to pack one for trail work with a 14" bar. But opening the muffler makes the little barker sound like a 440.
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« Reply #539 on: September 17, 2018, 10:58:12 AM »

Found out recently why my Stihl dealer won't order Stihl Ultra mix oil anymore,  because he had a hard time selling it .
His past excuse was it's no longer sold in Canada :D
So I'm looking at this full synthetic mix I can buy from a local hardware store. $11 USD for a 16 ounce bottle. It claims a 5% to 10% increase in power and extra protection. I think the 261 and 066 will like it alot :)

(Image hidden from quote, click to view.)

Willard - if you are looking for some Stihl Ultra here is a response I got this AM regarding some Ultra from a dealer close to you..
Hope this may help - I'm sure you could get some Bus Expressed to you at any point pretty cheaply or the next time you or a friend passes through there..


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Yes we stock all the Stihl products and accessories 200 ml mix oil is $3.00 ea and can be purchased in any quantities.
Thanks
Chris

 
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 86 LaRose Ave
 The Pas, MB
 Box 1620
 Ph: 204-623-5791
 Fx: 204-623-7226

Bad news on the weekend, 59 year old Stihl dealer Chris Rushton who is a full time locomotive engineer is in hospital with life threatening injuries. His 38 year old conductor died during a derailment they were in when a bridge collapsed .
They were operating 3 locomotives pulling 27 cars of gasoline and propane. They were trapped in the front locomotive for hours.
It sounds like they saw it coming as one of them while trapped reported to the paramedics "there was no bridge when we came around the curve, you just can't stop this thing like a car."
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