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« on: August 29, 2017, 01:47:06 PM »
hi, I bought a mill late last year and one of the first things on the list to build has been a pole barn / sawmill shed. once I felt I had enough experience and knowledge to make decent lumber I set out to start milling for the barn. I cut 13 8x8x16' post, and as many 2x8s as I could make. got the pole treated here locally and had a company build some 32' metal trusses from1.5" square tubing, 23' header, and 50 sheets of metal roofing.
  the plan is too have 3 16' bays and one 24' (23' open) Bay to roll logs into the mill. eventually I want to build a dead deck in the opening. I have a Cooks mp32 with about a 20' cut length. the heat this time of year is absolutely unrelenting.it's really slowed me down. what you see here is 2 weekend work for me and a friend.
 now that I have almost all the materials I've started work. got all the post set at this point. i poured a pad of concrete in the bottom of the hole. added a little gravel to get the height right then packed gravel all the way up to about 6" below grade. then purred a collar 6x24 around the post. wrapping the post with sand bag material before putting the collar.
I've helped build a couple of pole barns but none for myself or this size. I will add photos as work progresses.

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Re: Sawmill shed/ pole barn build
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2017, 03:24:58 PM »
Looks like a good start. I'll be watching and learning on this one.
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Re: Sawmill shed/ pole barn build
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2017, 05:27:17 PM »
I loved the way a buddy of mine built his horse arena. It was massive, like 100' x 200' or so. He stood the poles like you did. Then he built the roof structure around the poles, complete with the roofing. Once he was done he went to each pole in turn and raised it about 8 or 10 inches with his backhoe, and nailed off some stopper plates. After a few laps around the building he had completely raised the roof. Saved him a ton of extra work lifting all the materials up and finishing the roof. I was impressed.
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2017, 10:17:58 AM »
that sounds very interesting. I've seen at least one member on here that built the entire roof then flew it up with a crane and attached it. sure would cut out all the up and down work.

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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2017, 11:44:10 AM »
Looks good so far!  What's the black stuff around the bottom of the posts?
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2017, 12:17:48 PM »
that is sand bags actually like the black cloth material used under flower beds. trying to keep a little separation between the post and concrete.

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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2017, 07:31:37 PM »
that is sand bags actually like the black cloth material used under flower beds. trying to keep a little separation between the post and concrete.

I thought maybe you had put plasti-sleeves on the poles when i looked at the pic.
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2017, 08:29:39 PM »
well I got the power pole moved from its previous location about 150 from the barn to about 50' from the barn. the power vompany doesn't need an inspection on this since it's deemed agricultural. one less hurdle to cross. Less government influence/insite is good in my book!

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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2017, 09:59:25 PM »
Great job!  It is difficult to get poles set in a row in a hole and get them in line and plumb!

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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2017, 12:49:53 AM »
Here's some progress pics got 3 trusses installed , the 23' header and a 16'x16"x4" beam installed, haven't made as much progress as I would of liked. Between Labor Day r&r and Irma coming thru this is where we are to date on the project...


In this pic I'm the one wearing the gray shirt with back to camera . My good friend John is not wearing a shirt and the one taking the pic is my nephew gage, he live to drive the tractors









This pic showed how we're raising the trusses with my home made boom pole attachment











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Re: Sawmill shed/ pole barn build
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2017, 07:12:40 AM »
FB,

   Looks good but I hate to tell you - its not big enough. They never are. Sheds are a great project to build right after you get your mill as they are very forgiving and you can use all your practice lumber in constructing them and nobody notices any minor imperfections and your learning curve.

    Below is a picture of my shed. I have since added shelves to go vertical and was looking yesterday at adding 2 more shelves on the one internal wall where I have not put one yet. I have thought about doubling the size and adding on to the front but then I run into some access issues. I got used roofing off a barn demo and don't have over $600 or so in mine. I used locust poles off my place for uprights so free to me.

   I added a radial arm saw on one end which is as handy as a pocket on a shirt for trimming lumber, bench legs, cutting stickers, kindling, etc. I made 3 bays with about 18' openings. The 45 degree angles on front and back add decoration but mostly strength in case of snow which you will not need. They also keep the shed from ricking side to side.

   BTW - I grew up a little north of you in Escambia County near Century Fla. Used to drive through Chipley on the way to grandfathers place down in Dixie County at Old Town Fla.

   Keep us posted.
 

 
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2017, 01:15:40 PM »
Your right it's not going to be big enough. Even before I started the build I figured it would be a good start but would get filled up fast. I plan on doing all the diagonal bracing I can. These pole barn don't really have anything to stop from racking other than the roofing.

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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2017, 08:58:00 PM »
Well I have made more progress on the pole barn but have not taken any photos yet. We still have the purlins to put over the last 2 bays. I have been adding bracing in between each purlin from eve to ridge. I've also milled 2 decent pine logs I cut from my uncle's place and yielded 23 28's, a few 2x6's and 2x4's. All of them were about 19'. Hers a few pics of the logs and lumber produced.





I'm thinking of installing a dead deck to load the mill with once I get it setup under the shed. Any suggestions  on the design? Guess I should leave enough room between the rails of it to drive the tractor? Maybe even make it removable? Any suggestions on This would be nice. I'll try to get more done this weekend it's finally cooling off here in the deep South (was 43* this morning)

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« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2017, 10:01:21 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2017, 10:08:33 PM »
My dead deck is wide enough that I can drive my skid steer in between. Nice for pushing up logs, not so nice for 8 logs as they can easily fall off. My neighbor who runs production has his mill slightly in a hill. His deck is flush with ground and they use a couple rail road rails. They drive on when necessary.

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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2017, 06:51:23 AM »
Dead rails, I would make them removable. That way one can clean up easy. That is my plan. ;D Going to build them out of some 6x6's. Build tripods to were I will just be able to drop the 6x6 beams in and lift them out with my tractor forks to be able to move them.

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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2017, 10:04:29 AM »
That's a grand idea fishfighter. Would need to be some pretty heavy duty stand. I may just make 2  "skids" one for each side. That way can just drag them individually out of the way or shim them as necessary. Thanks for the comments everyone.

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« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2017, 01:29:04 PM »
I love these posts about sawmill sheds.  I need one, but first I'll probably build the small one I'll call a head-shed.  Just big enough to back the mill head into, and everything else stays outside in the rain, for now.  Got to start somewhere, kind of like what Fishfighter and Btulloh started with.   
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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2017, 01:45:01 PM »
Put a separate track in the head shed then you can roll the head right in there and drive the trailer away.
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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2017, 04:56:10 PM »
Well here is some photos of a few logs from nice southern yellow  pine trees I cut from my uncle's property. He wanted them gone and I needed logs .... So cut 5 trees in total didn't get all the logs home but there not going any where. Not sure why these are links instead of the actual pics oh well maybe some one can tell me or fix them...

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« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2017, 06:24:33 PM »
Looks like Longleaf.  Nice score.   8)
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« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2017, 06:32:52 PM »
Yes there are long leaf and shortleaf for sure in the property. Not sure how to tell them from lonlolly and slash. Really nice trees counted close to 100 rings on both logs.

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Yep, looks like some nice longleaf
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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2017, 08:23:01 PM »
use "[ img ]http://" before the link and "[ /img ]" after the link

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I'll try...















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« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2017, 01:04:20 PM »
Thanks for that. I've done it before without using the img thing on the ends but this time it didn't work for me.

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« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2017, 07:51:23 PM »
How does that cinder block stay up there? ;D ;D

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« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2017, 09:10:05 PM »
Barn looks good. Those are some real pretty old growth SYP. I was looking at your pin point on the members map, you live in the wilderness if the pin point is on the right spot. There should be a lot of good cypress in that area. Did you get the place over behind the prison to treat your post? Joe Jernigan?  Use to be Arnold Lumber Co. a long time ago.
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« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2017, 09:17:30 PM »
Do you know Mr. Doyle from Westville that does the wood burning art?
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« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2017, 10:35:53 PM »
Cannot say that I do. Does he do good work? I've seen some really good biting around here bug have known who does them perhaps he is one of them...

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« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2017, 10:38:48 PM »
Yes Arnold is who I use I've had it done a few times but when I cut the good off a few posts 8x8 I could see it was treated tok the core and this is a foot down the post. I'll be using them again in the future. Live in these parts?

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« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2017, 10:48:15 PM »
Yes Arnold is who I use I've had it done a few times but when I cut the good off a few posts 8x8 I could see it was treated tok the core and this is a foot down the post. I'll be using them again in the future. Live in these parts?

Yea. In Slocomb, Al. Up 79 just across the Fl/Al line turn right on co rd 9. I grew up all down in the panhandle of Florida. Arnold Lumber Co. was started by Furn Arnold. My father and uncle had a mid size production sawmill in Slocomb. We sold a lot of lumber to Arnold Lumber Co. when it was in Caryville and the old man Arnold had it. He got his start making moonshine during prohibition. The old man Joe Jernigan ran that big sawmill in Graceville when Southwest Forest Products owned it. They were producing so much lumber they didn't have the planer capacity to dress it all.  Trucked all their 1x4s up to us on sticks to dress. I know Joe pretty well. Did a lot of day to day business with him. Great guy.

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I've been busy and haven't posted on this for a while got some other photos to post as well.

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« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2018, 01:34:24 PM »
One of the posters mentioned Escambia County, I went to CT School (A and C) in Pensacola in 1967.  Was there from February through August.  wow was it humid in August, spit-shined shoes would cloud up immediately.  Very friendly people down there.  I remember the aroma of the paper mills in the early mornings and the beautiful girls on the beach. 
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« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2018, 06:21:25 PM »
John,

   I grew up in the north end of Escambia County about 40 miles from Pensacola. About 5-6 miles below the Alabama line there at Flomaton. Dad was raised in Dixie County at Old Town about 300 miles away. I remember driving there for visits passing through Cottondale and some others where Dad said the ground was so poor the people had to import their light bread because the dough would not even rise. I do remember stunted Blackjack oaks that never seemed to grow in my entire lifetime.

   I enjoyed growing up there and hunting,fishing and gigging frogs in old gravel pits and oxbow lakes/sloughs a the Escambia and Suwannee Rivers. I enjoyed it but left after college and have lived and visited all over the world (Well, at least 5 continents so far) and I found beauty and ugliness everywhere I have been. Same with the people. If you found the people in Escambia County to be nice and friendly I'd bet they still say the same about you.

   Good looking shed FB. Keep us posted as you keep making changes and getting it filled which will happen quicker than you'd like I bet.
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« Reply #36 on: January 25, 2018, 12:50:09 PM »
I got the sawmill set up in the shed over the weekend. So much better than before! Changes the roller guides, re aligned everything, and the mill is cutting great. I'll get some pics up tomorrow of how I have it setup. I cut and stacked  2-  22" 8' logs the other day in about 1.5 hours.
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« Reply #37 on: January 25, 2018, 01:46:45 PM »
quote: "Any advice about working manual mill by oneself would be appreciated."
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Re: Sawmill shed/ pole barn build
« Reply #38 on: January 25, 2018, 05:19:24 PM »
I got the sawmill set up in the shed over the weekend. So much better than before! Changes the roller guides, re aligned everything, and the mill is cutting great. I'll get some pics up tomorrow of how I have it setup. I cut and stacked  2-  22" 8' logs the other day in about 1.5 hours.
   Trying to get better at how much I can produce by myself. Any advice about working manual mill by oneself would be appreciated.

Add a hydraulic log Turner. It's the best thing I did when I still had the old lt30.
Woodmizer lt40 super remote 42hp Kubota diesel. Accuset II
Traverse 6035 telehandler and a lot of back breaking work!!

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