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Storing dead-stacked lumber packs
« on: September 05, 2017, 08:32:28 AM »
Is this enough support for storing a bunch of 4/4 x 8 x 105ish lumber that's packed and banded?  The packs will be 14 to 20 inches high.
 

 
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Re: Storing dead-stacked lumber packs
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2017, 08:39:41 AM »
Looks OK to me but what species and is it under cover.
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Re: Storing dead-stacked lumber packs
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2017, 09:55:38 AM »
I should have mentioned that.  SYP, EWP, White Oak.  In a shed.  I just don't want to make bowed lumber.  I haven't had a need to store it this way until now.  Most of it won't be stored for too long, but could be a year or so.
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Re: Storing dead-stacked lumber packs
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2017, 10:31:26 PM »
It will work, but I store all mine on skids/pallets. I highly recommend it as it prevents having to get off the loader or forklift and move the skids all the time.  It also insures the runners all line up, stack on top of stack and makes for orderly storage.



 

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Re: Storing dead-stacked lumber packs
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2017, 05:58:59 AM »
It doesn't take long for the lumber to pile up does it yellow-hammer.  :D ;)

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Re: Storing dead-stacked lumber packs
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2017, 07:38:01 AM »
You're right about that YH.  I must have lost my mind for a moment.  I need to bang together some more pallets.  Looks like skids work ok for you.  I stayed away from skids because I thought they'd flex too much. Maybe I should try a couple.
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Re: Storing dead-stacked lumber packs
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2017, 08:49:07 AM »
Peter,
Yes, this wood takes up a lot of space.  This is maybe only three months or so inventory, we have to keep it pretty lean because that's my usual cycle time from log to lumber, as well as my insuranse limit.  Good news the building never really fills up, it sells pretty fast.  I wish I had a bigger building to build more inventory, take some of the stress off me to not run out. 

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True pallets with bottom boards will sometimes leave sticker stain if they are stacked on other green wood or in the kiln for drying.  Open bottom skids have a minimum contact area so won't zebra stripe other stacks they are placed.  I use the skids to catch the wood as it comes off the mill, then when it is stickered and green stacked for air drying (where stacking on top of each other is important to provide flattening weight) then placed in the kiln, and later deadstacked.  At that point it goes to the planer on a trailer and comes back to me to be stacked in our buildings.  All on the same type skids. 
Flexing isn't a problem because it's holding packs of wood, so support isn't needed. 

I painted stripes on out barn floor to act as an assembly template where the runners are supposed to be, then put low grade wood in top of the runners and hit them with the nail gun.  Quick assembly. 

Skids, skids and more skids. They are incredible time and work savers.



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Re: Storing dead-stacked lumber packs
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2017, 08:10:25 PM »
Good tip on painting the template on the floor.  Since it was rainy and cool today I cut some parts to make skids and marked out a template on the floor.  I already use skids and pallets for anything I have around here that has to move on a regular basis, so your point about not getting up and down off the loader to move anything hits home.

Tomorrow I will probably be finished with the first load in the kiln, so I'm getting set up to manage the lumber now that I can dead stack it. 

I'm glad I have a few loads of pine ready to run first, because I don't feel very confident about managing oak yet.  Maybe by the time I get all the pine through the kiln, I'll have a better handle on it. 

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Re: Storing dead-stacked lumber packs
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2017, 06:49:56 AM »
I dont dead stack quite like y'all.  Even dead stacked here we will have a row of stickers every 4 to 6 rows depending on thickness... keeps the stack more stable. Aint nothing worse then cutting the straps on a pack to pull a couple of boards and then having the entire outside row of the pack fall onto the floor.
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Re: Storing dead-stacked lumber packs
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2017, 02:58:44 PM »
I agree that dead stacking needs stickers every eight layers especially with dimension lumber of the same size and even if banded. Hardwoods with random width nest better so maybe 22 layers. Injury from tipping piled is too common.  With narrow packs, like Four feet, more frequent spacing like 6 layers, is needed. Spacers can be thin lath.
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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2017, 03:14:29 PM »
Makes sense
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Re: Storing dead-stacked lumber packs
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2017, 08:55:26 PM »
It will work, but I store all mine on skids/pallets. I highly recommend it as it prevents having to get off the loader or forklift and move the skids all the time.  It also insures the runners all line up, stack on top of stack and makes for orderly storage.
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Re: Storing dead-stacked lumber packs
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2017, 12:02:57 AM »
I highly recommend skip planing or hit or miss surfacing to avoid the stacking problems people have mentioned.  We surface ours within a week or two of coming out of the kiln to 15/16".  We do some ourselves, but outsource a lot to local wood shop with a nice double sided Pineheiro planer and four guys to run it.  Same thing with our 8/4 and 12/4.  Then it can be stacked high and flat and left.  Normally, I don't like sitting on dead stacked rough sawn because there are lots of boards that aren't flat and that can lead to others not sitting flat, or gradually inducing problems.
 

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Re: Storing dead-stacked lumber packs
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2017, 07:22:21 PM »
More good thoughts YellowHammer, thanks.  I made a pallet template that I laid out on the floor per your method.  It sure does make it quick and easy. 

I can see where skip planing makes a lot of sense, for many reasons.  Especially since I'm the one using the lumber down the road.  My main planer has a Byrd head, and it's not really good for running this rough stuff, especially pine.  I am in the process of setting up another planer with straight knives for this rough work.  I think I'll try skip planing stuff that comes out the kiln before stacking and storing, except the siding that I want to use rough.

Thanks for all the good suggestions.
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Re: Storing dead-stacked lumber packs
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2017, 09:16:39 AM »
I do believe that YH is referring to hardwoods.  For softwood dimension, like 2x4 or 2x6, planed lumber is the worst, as there is little natural connection between the adjacent columns, so they tip easily.  The OP mentioned syp and white pine, as well as white oak.

This is why it is standard practice to never stand on the side of a pack when cutting the bands.  It is possible that when the bands are released, a column or two of lumber will fall and hit someone standing on the side.
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Re: Storing dead-stacked lumber packs
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2017, 09:48:53 AM »
As Gene says, deadstacking all the same width dimensional lumber will lead to unstable columns on the edges that will fall over unless the edges are offset and pallet strapping is used.  We do both.  We almost never move packs over a couple dozen layers high without them being bound with pallet strapping.  This aids in stacking safety but also works as an inventory management tool, as its planed and made into a "pack" I write the board footage and date on the side.  Then I can quickly do inventories by knowing nothing has changed from the last inventory except for a pack that has been opened and the strapping removed.  We have had a few memorable lumber spills before we used strapping, and using lumber strapping is like wearing a sear belt.   You don't need it until you need it.




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Re: Storing dead-stacked lumber packs
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2018, 10:13:47 AM »
So YH, is the deck of the pallet solid(boards tight together), or are you using only 4 boards spaced apart?

Are you making your own pallets?  If so, how are you attaching your deck boards to your runners? Screws?  Nails?  I only have ability to do screws.  I don't have a pneumatic nail gun.  I'm not sure what the right type of nails or size to use would be if I had a pallet maker do it.  I want them strong and not coming apart or breaking/splitting.
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Re: Storing dead-stacked lumber packs
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2018, 08:31:57 PM »
I make my own, too.  The deck boards have a gap between them.  They are made with 3" galvanized nails.  All mine have the runners on 16" spacing. 
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« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2018, 09:00:32 PM »
Pallets is the only way to go...I made mine following Jim Rogers blueprint.  Shoot them with 3" ring shank galvanized
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Re: Storing dead-stacked lumber packs
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2018, 11:33:18 PM »
I am asking about spacing because I thought maybe in the kiln you wanted to direct the airflow from the side rather than from the bottom.  In the other post about lumber pallets, I show a deck on the pallet made from 4 2x4's.  So there are big gaps between them(10 inches roughly).  So I'm thinking of using hardwood 2x4's for the runners spaced about 13 inches apart, and 5/4 for the decking.  But I'm trying to determine if I should cover the deck with only a small expansion gap between the deck boards, or just use 4 boards that are only say 6 inches wide?
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« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2018, 06:56:14 AM »
Yellow, on your above pictured building, are the trusses from a kit? I'm considering a large building similar to yours (PT posts with metal trusses) and seeking tips/endorsement of some of the available systems. Thx
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