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Load of logs now need blades help
« on: October 23, 2017, 10:00:07 PM »


Nice load of Beatle killed pine but need a blade that will cut it. I would like to try the kasco but don't know how to contact cutting edge. When I pull him up in members I get an message saying that I do not have access. So any help would be appreciated. My current blades dive like crazy on the knots and hope kasco has a blade that will cut it.  Thanks

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Re: Load of logs now need blades help
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2017, 11:17:12 PM »
You can buy from kasko. Have to buy 15 though. But that's a good thing. 7 degree or 4 degree.  Seven degree is a good general purpose blade. If you put the type of mill in your profile it will help people give better input too.
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2017, 11:18:31 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2017, 11:20:51 PM »
Sawing fast causes more diving. I push my mill and it helps to slow down for knots. Don't know how that works with power feed.
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2017, 11:50:49 PM »
I believe that you will find that 4deg blades would be better than most in knotty pine.
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Re: Load of logs now need blades help
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2017, 12:35:10 AM »
Thanks. I'm now able to pull them up in members. Thought I had my mill in but I must not but it's a 98 lt40 Hd. This is my second load a neighbor gave to me. Tried to cut some slabs but just to meany dips and didn't want to waste any more.

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Re: Load of logs now need blades help
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2017, 02:56:15 AM »
I use 4 deg.  kasco blades. This summer I cut a lot of pine. I was getting some dives at knots.
I had nothing to loose so I almost doubled my set. It made a world of difference. No more dives
until I got a sap buildup on the blades. A little diesel took care of that. I'm making a lot of saw
dust but I'm getting so much of a better cut. My set is around .030 +/- now for pine for a .045
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Re: Load of logs now need blades help
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2017, 04:59:29 AM »
You didn't have access to any member profiles because you didn't have any posts. You can't see member profiles until you have a level of participation.
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2017, 07:44:37 AM »
Thanks Jeff but I have posted before but maybe too much time has past. Haven't had much time to stay up to date.

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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2017, 08:00:38 AM »
You now have 4 total posts because of this topic.
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Re: Load of logs now need blades help
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2017, 08:10:01 AM »
I cut mostly W/Pine and Hemlock, and I use 10 blades set at .025-.030 with good results!

If a log is knotty, such as Spruce, I  s l o w  down my feed speed!
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Re: Load of logs now need blades help
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2017, 08:17:03 AM »
I changed my pressure gauge for one that is 0 to 5000 psi.
Running with 3200 psi has helped me to get straighter cuts.
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Re: Load of logs now need blades help
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2017, 08:28:24 AM »
I`m still kinda new at this but I`ve cut about 3500 bd ft of knotty pine with Woodmizer 4 degree blades with little to no diving. I`ll add that most of the logs had been down a while so the sap buildup was minimal. I use a little dawn or simple green in the water tank. It also could have something to do with I only have the 18hp(?) gas motor so I have to go pretty slow.

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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2017, 08:50:45 PM »
Great info guys. When I bought my mill, it came with 30 or 40 blades and I've no clue what they are. All I now is they are wood mizer and I've been having them sharpen them. In the future I would like to keep records and start to see what works best but not knowing I'm sawing blind.

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Re: Load of logs now need blades help
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2017, 08:33:28 AM »
4 degree blades work well in knots and dense hard wood.  I use the Turbo 7 for just about everything else.
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Re: Load of logs now need blades help
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2017, 08:41:14 PM »
So let's summarize:

Kbeitz says widen the set for knotty pine. around .030 +/- for a .045 thickness blade. I agree!

Adding soap to the drip mix helps. Or use diesel or kero.
And letting more drip go thru to help keep the blade cleaner.

Tighter band tension should help on the knots.

And slower feed speed.

And 4 blades.

All of those should help.
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Re: Load of logs now need blades help
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2017, 09:32:23 PM »
LoneDuck I am new to milling I have been cutting white pine and spruce I get really smooth cuts with the 10 degree and I can cut faster with the 7 degree with not as smooth cut I have a 20hp kohler command homemade mill

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« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2017, 10:17:52 PM »
Great info guys. When I bought my mill, it came with 30 or 40 blades and I've no clue what they are. All I now is they are wood mizer and I've been having them sharpen them. In the future I would like to keep records and start to see what works best but not knowing I'm sawing blind.
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« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2017, 01:13:25 AM »
I saw more Pine than anything else, and a Pine without knots is pretty rare around here.
When a tooth removes wood (sawdust), the piece of wood expands. Pine will expand a lot more than hardwoods do, so the Pine will need more set. I set most of my blades at 25 thousands each side. The more pitch a log has, the more set you'll likely want. I just slow down on pitchy logs instead of trying to keep track of a bunch of different blades. I'm using Cook's Supersharps, I think 8 degrees.
If you don't have to slow down for the big knots, you may not be sawing fast enough between them.  :D
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Re: Load of logs now need blades help
« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2017, 08:17:42 AM »
From my experience spruce is so much harder to cut than pine.
I just cut some that had knots every 6". What a pain. Talk about slow...
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« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2017, 04:43:39 PM »
I think I could count the spruce I have on 2 hands on my land. Than on one hand I could count how many would make logs.
I only cut spruce once. More electricity was being put in above me. A good size spruce log was going to rot beside the road. Me,being the hate to see logs go to waste,went and got it. I should've used it for firewood before I cut it. It went into the burn pile. No sense in me buying a blade to saw some spruce when I don't have many logs.
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Re: Load of logs now need blades help
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2017, 06:28:10 AM »
Customer needed one more 8x8 at 4:30 pm last Saturday. 

I look up and see him bringing a 25" spruce toward me, knots everywhere could have been the national Christmas tree.

Shook my head and pointed him back to the log pile. Found another pine instead.
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« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2017, 06:46:08 AM »
I don't think spruce is good for nothing more than paneling.
Around here we don't have any clear spruce. It's all knots.
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« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2017, 08:37:40 AM »
Spruce makes good framing material & beams, the trick is to cut it straight!   ;)
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« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2017, 12:00:16 PM »
Spruce makes good framing material & beams, the trick is to cut it straight!   ;)

I would not use it in any beams for my buildings. With all the knots it can't
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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2017, 11:26:46 AM »
All the knots intertwined is what makes it strong🤡.
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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2017, 11:30:23 AM »
Anyone try the Ripper 37 blades in Pine ? I have all tall straight Red Pine on my property and just purchased a sawmill. Have yet to try it out but I bought some Rippers from Jerrys Resharp , hell of a nice guy .

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« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2017, 11:37:46 AM »
I just tried some. My saw sharp guy made them up for my B20 to saw EWP and Im very happy.
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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2017, 11:42:32 AM »
I would not use it in any beams for my buildings. With all the knots it can't
be strong...

My grandfather(s) used to make the runners for their log scoots out of spruce, shoe them with iron wood, yellow birch or rock maple and the bunks were made of oak. They were pretty rugged sleds.
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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2017, 08:38:39 PM »
Spruce makes good framing material & beams, the trick is to cut it straight!   ;)

I would not use it in any beams for my buildings. With all the knots it can't
be strong...

To each their own, but the knots in Spruce are usually quite small and wouldn't affect strength very much!
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« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2017, 01:25:19 PM »
There are many old barns and sheds standing in New England with a lot of spruce in the framing. I think the biggest issue of using spruce is the tendency of it to rot quickly from moisture. Even when used in log scoots for runners one didnt want to leave it out in the weather unused for long.
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« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2017, 01:37:53 PM »
I had to make some stickers today... All with knots just fell apart.

No. 1 Common. Highest quality of common lumber. No. 1 Common lumber will have a few small, tight knots.
No. 2 Common. Has larger knots than found in No. 1 Common. No. 2 is often used for paneling and shelving and is suitable for general woodworking projects.
No. 3 Common. Has more and bigger knots than No. 2. The wood is typically damaged and blemished. Well-suited for fences, boxes, and crates.

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No. 3. Knots of any quality can be up to 2-1/2 wide. Knotholes allowed every 1-3/4 foot.
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« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2018, 10:41:30 PM »
Anyone try the Ripper 37 blades in Pine ? I have all tall straight Red Pine on my property and just purchased a sawmill. Have yet to try it out but I bought some Rippers from Jerrys Resharp , hell of a nice guy .
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I use Jerry for bands and like the Ripper 37's in 7 he also has Kasco's in 4 if you ever need the 4
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« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2018, 07:41:11 AM »
Great info guys. When I bought my mill, it came with 30 or 40 blades and I've no clue what they are. All I now is they are wood mizer and I've been having them sharpen them. In the future I would like to keep records and start to see what works best but not knowing I'm sawing blind.
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« Reply #35 on: September 11, 2018, 07:42:43 AM »
Spruce makes good framing material & beams, the trick is to cut it straight!   ;)

I would not use it in any beams for my buildings. With all the knots it can't
be strong...

To each their own, but the knots in Spruce are usually quite small and wouldn't affect strength very much!
 
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« Reply #36 on: September 11, 2018, 07:53:01 AM »
  After Simonds ruined their 3/4 pitch Red Streak blades I've tried Lennox 7/8   Kasko 3/4  Kasco 7/8  Dakin Flather 7/8 rippir 37  Dakin Flathers 3/4 Ripper s.  I think my favorite is going to be the Dakin Flather ripper s 3/4 sharpened to 4 degrees, they cut nice and straight pushing hard .  You will have no trouble cutting pine straight plus they cut spruce real nice under 12" and on a 20" cut just a hair of  a wave that will plane out on the first pass.  Steve
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« Reply #37 on: September 11, 2018, 08:29:55 AM »
How did Simonds ruin their 3/4 blades, Steve?
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« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2018, 10:43:29 AM »
 
 Their using different material and made the gullet deeper, I didn't even try them but a mill south of did and he said they are junk, wont cut straight . Both of us had been running 3/4 pitch Simomds Red Streak for years. He is the reason I tried 3/4 Simonds and found them to be the straightest cutting blades until now. I was just out cutting large WO with the 3/4 Dakin Flathers and they're working good.  Steve
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