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My Hydraulic Winch Build.
« on: November 13, 2017, 12:36:56 PM »
A hydraulic winch I put together to run behind a Farmall 560.

The winch came out of a wrecker I believe. I bought the 3 Point back blade from an auction. And the Hyd. motor from craigslist.

I would like the experts here to look it over, and point out problems I might have.

I want to be able to winch out tree roots, and do a little log skidding.

  

  

  

 

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Re: My Hydraulic Winch Build.
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2017, 04:06:38 PM »
I like it but if you're winching tree roots out you may need better stop spikes. I don't think the blade will do very good keeping you from dragging yourself to the stump.
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Re: My Hydraulic Winch Build.
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2017, 06:34:29 PM »
Just leave one stump to put the blade up to. An arch might help when skidding.
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Re: My Hydraulic Winch Build.
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2017, 06:59:30 PM »
Looking good. Did you gear down the hydraulic motor ? Or how big is the sprocket ? Kinda hard to see.
And you may want to put a  lighter cable on that drum. Just saying, because it looks pretty tough to pull out.
Does it free spool ?
Make sure you know how to fall properly when you fall and as to not hurt anyone around you.
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Re: My Hydraulic Winch Build.
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2017, 07:09:35 PM »
What's above that blade? The logs can bang into what ever is above. One in a while you might have to back up and that changes everything.
I have no idea how much power that winch has. But pulling out stumps will show ya!! Logs for the most part should move,but stumps........
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Re: My Hydraulic Winch Build.
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2017, 07:37:57 AM »
Here is a pic from the back without the blade. Nothing too critical to bump against. I'd rather not downsize the cable if I'm pulling stumps.
I have the cable running out from the top of the drum for more height.
By my really rough estimates, I figure the winch will run about 1/3 slower than when it was installed in the wrecker. I think I'll be OK with that. I can put a smaller sprocket on the worm if I need to go faster.

The 560 has a fast hitch that has power down. I could bury the blade or back into another stump or tree as mentioned.

I have pulled trees out, roots and all, with a 8000lbs winch on the front of my Jeep, using 3 snatch blocks and lots of cables. Pulling over the full tree helps with getting the roots out, using the weight of the tree.


 

 

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Re: My Hydraulic Winch Build.
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2017, 01:54:53 PM »
I remember being told to spool off the bottom but I don't know why  ???
edit; Well looking at the pic it does lower the lever arm against the mounts. I usually find all the weak links I didn't think about when I load up homemade stuff. Follow the load path through the blade, winch, tractor.

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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2017, 07:23:16 PM »
How big of a stump are you talking about ?  On the wrecker the winch most likely was running of the PTO. With a hydraulic drive you will never have the same torque even with gearing it down.
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Re: My Hydraulic Winch Build.
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2017, 09:15:06 PM »
Looks like a braden or tulsa.  Im gonna take a guess and say youll be going to a smaller sprocket on the drive motor and a bigger one on the worm before you get the line force youre wanting.  All the pto winches ive encountered had much larger dispacement hyd motors and still had a small sprocket off the motor.. Like a 3:1 reduction or more.  You look to have a 15 or 20% overdrive there.

If the 3pt cant lift the log, move the hitch pins back toward the blade so the winch gets closer to your axle.  Thats a pretty long lever.   


For winching stumps it'd be much more effecting tugging on an A frame placed over the stump to create vertical lift.  Most stumps will pull a tractor to it.

Goodluck and keep us posted

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Re: My Hydraulic Winch Build.
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2017, 09:18:08 PM »
24" elm.
The specs on the motor are about 200 lbs ft. @ 230 rpm.

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Re: My Hydraulic Winch Build.
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2017, 09:22:54 PM »
Ill be pretty stunned if youre winching out 24" stumps.   Here with oaks that big im dozing down 4ft deep before i can turn up the root ball.  Sometimes 5' diameter
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Re: My Hydraulic Winch Build.
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2017, 09:23:23 PM »
I also have 3 snatch blocks.

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Re: My Hydraulic Winch Build.
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2017, 09:24:43 PM »
Whats the worm ratio on the winch and tooth counts on your drive sprockets
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Re: My Hydraulic Winch Build.
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2017, 09:27:06 PM »
I have winched out an 18" tree with my 8000lbs warn winch on my jeep.

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Re: My Hydraulic Winch Build.
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2017, 05:01:36 AM »
Looks like a good winch. At full line pull, especially with snatch blocks, I think the blade will break. I hope I am wrong.

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Re: My Hydraulic Winch Build.
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2017, 07:14:20 AM »
Whats the worm ratio on the winch and tooth counts on your drive sprockets

If it's 20/1 i would say his winch can pull 10000 12000 lbs. At 11.5 rpm.
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« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2017, 10:08:38 AM »
Worm ratios are usually quite a bit higher and thats not a small housing.  Id bet its closer to 80:1 or more. 
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Re: My Hydraulic Winch Build.
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2017, 10:15:52 AM »
Ouch!

This seems mad. Old French forestry winches run 20>24 to 1. Usually. Which means you can run 3 or 4 fpm at 1500 rpm.
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Re: My Hydraulic Winch Build.
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2017, 10:41:30 AM »
Yeah but youre looking at an american wrecker winch for righting rolled over vehicles.  You want slow line speed for that. Fast is bad when things are precarious.
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Re: My Hydraulic Winch Build.
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2017, 12:05:44 PM »
Here is a video of me winching out a cherry tree. I pulled it over fine but ended up snapping a 3/8 transport chain trying to continue to pull the rest of the roots completely out. I had to rehook at a different angle to extract it completely.

With the use of three snatch blocks, doubling the force at each, the 8000lbs winch pulled at a force of 64,000lbs.





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