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New to me Clark skidder
« on: November 26, 2017, 05:16:19 PM »
Well, I just bought a Clark 666c. Price was right, figured I couldn't go too wrong for a machine that runs good and pulls wood, I can always sell it and get my money back  :D
It's got a 4-53 detroit that fired up real good, a clark winch, 2 speed clark trans, 23.1x26 tires (pretty bald) and ring chains on all 4. The cradle pins are a bit loose, but not terrible. Arch needs some welding, someone got rowdy with the tree pusher  :laugh:

I'm intending to pull wood on the weekends with it as a side job. We'll see how it goes after running tubing and tapping trees on snowshoes all week.

Anyways, a few questions- Where do you add transmission fluid and hydraulic fluid? Straight weight oil for Detroit I've heard? (4-53) Regular transmission fluid?

I know, I know, you want pics. Smart ole me left my cellphone right in the truck and forgot all about it. I'll get some when I get it trucked home. It's gonna go to my boss's shop so I can take care of a few things before it hits the woods.
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Re: New to me Clark skidder
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2017, 05:27:24 PM »
Straight weight oil for detroit and has to be compatible with detroit. 2 stroke diesel oil isnt like 4 stroke diesel oil - different additives.

Lift the foot plate hyd oil reservoir will be on the left hand side. Trans and convertor are integrated and have a cap right about under your right heel. Transmission and convertor are a hot check.
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Re: New to me Clark skidder
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2017, 07:30:07 PM »
Thanks lurker.

Any idea on width height and length? Width being most important... 23.1x26 tires. Shoulda measured when I looked at it... I know it weighs around 18k lbs
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Re: New to me Clark skidder
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2017, 11:03:27 PM »
Delo 100 sae 40 matches the specs the closest. 
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Re: New to me Clark skidder
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2017, 08:13:55 PM »
Thanks lurker.

Any idea on width height and length? Width being most important... 23.1x26 tires. Shoulda measured when I looked at it... I know it weighs around 18k lbs
with 23s it should be a little over 8' wide

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Re: New to me Clark skidder
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2017, 09:26:12 PM »
Thanks for the info guys. Hopefully getting it trucked home this weekend, it's gonna be at my boss's place so I can tinker on it there before putting it into the woods, I'm sure I'll have lots of questions once I get into this thing.
Definitely first on the list is an oil change, would like to change the transmission fluid and filter as well, should I get into the rearends and change the gear oil out in those?
The front cradle pins are a bit sloppy, how hard of a job is that? I don't want them to egg out the parent metal, but not sure how bad they really are (and how they would hold up to just occasional use)
There's a seal leaking on the trans, not bad but it's something. Not sure which seal.

I'm just hoping I don't have any tire trouble. Two of them are pretty bald, there's 3 new tubes in them, the chains are pretty worn too (rings all 4) I just can't see buying new tires for weekend use. Someone told me ice chains might give a bit more protection for the tire, definitely more traction than worn out rings.
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Re: New to me Clark skidder
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2017, 09:57:31 PM »
My 540 with 23.1s is 9'2" wide not sure on a Clark but I would think it would be somewhere around that. I would definitely drain the rear ends and planetarys and put in fresh with a machine you just bought cause you don't know how long it's been. Ice chains are my preference but I know many who prefer rings
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Re: New to me Clark skidder
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2017, 03:44:59 PM »
Well it made it home this morning  8)







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Re: New to me Clark skidder
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2017, 03:47:11 PM »
It says 666D but it's definitely a C by the serial number, don't know why someone painted the D on there.

Gonna get the arch welded, change the oil, trans fluid, diff oil, etc. soon, and take a close look at the front cradle pins and see if I should tackle those now or if it can stand to be put into the woods and done later. I'm more inclined to do it now as I have a shop I can work in.

I'm on the hunt for a set of used 23.1x26 ice chains. Maybe a tire too...
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Re: New to me Clark skidder
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2017, 04:54:13 PM »
Good luck with it. Post some action pictures!!!!
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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2017, 06:37:22 PM »
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Re: New to me Clark skidder
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2017, 07:01:27 PM »
That's a keeper!
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« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2017, 07:25:02 PM »
Looks good! Also if it were a D it would have a 3 speed trans. There's a used set of double diamonds on maine cl
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Re: New to me Clark skidder
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2017, 07:39:34 PM »
Thanks Ill check the chains out.

It has a slot for work and travel but no lever. I assumed it was just removed years ago. Its fine, high and low are plenty
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Re: New to me Clark skidder
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2017, 09:03:35 PM »
The D series were 3 work speeds. Every Clark I have ran has had the work travel unhooked as well. I was told they were dangerous in travel cause they went way faster than you wanna go with stick steer. Those b and c series with a 2 speed are a simple tough machine!
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Re: New to me Clark skidder
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2017, 07:12:36 AM »
So Delo 100 straight weight for oil, dexron for atf, regular 80-90 for the rear ends? Anything Im missing?

Totally green to owning equipment. Been around it plenty, ran a few skidders but this is my first machine. I want to take care of it and avoid or at least help prevent expensive repairs.
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« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2017, 07:35:12 AM »
Dont forget a 55gal drum of Good Luck!   ;D

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Re: New to me Clark skidder
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2017, 08:56:10 AM »
  Very nice.. first glance at that tree pusher on the back would indicate she may have pushed more than she pulled.. ;D   Couple things that you may want to add to your list ..install block heater they are cheap and with a little bend on the element an easy install. This would give you a chance to change out the antifreeze and add a bit of that conditioner. Change the air filter and check air kill on intake to make sure its all good.  Power kill switch  and secondary back up kill switch; so it cannot be started by a stranger easily. 20 LB abc fire extinguisher. Keep an eye out for an ol school cable cutter. Suck out the fuel tank and check for debris . Not a big job but can save you hours of grief.   :)  Hope to see some action shots.  Good luck !
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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2017, 10:49:59 AM »
  Very nice.. first glance at that tree pusher on the back would indicate she may have pushed more than she pulled.. ;D   Couple things that you may want to add to your list ..install block heater they are cheap and with a little bend on the element an easy install. This would give you a chance to change out the antifreeze and add a bit of that conditioner. Change the air filter and check air kill on intake to make sure its all good.  Power kill switch  and secondary back up kill switch; so it cannot be started by a stranger easily. 20 LB abc fire extinguisher. Keep an eye out for an ol school cable cutter. Suck out the fuel tank and check for debris . Not a big job but can save you hours of grief.   :)  Hope to see some action shots.  Good luck !

You're definitely right about the pusher  :D Someone pushed too hard trying to free a stuck saw was the story I got and it peeled the arch right off the frame. It's rebolted and welded with two pieces of plate, but the welds are coming undone. Gonna get it welded and it should be fine from here on out, I tend to cut using wedges, I don't anticipate pushing many trees with the arch.
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« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2017, 01:59:18 PM »
So I'm doing some searching to find out what fluid to run in the trans and found a post saying to run straight weight engine oil in the trans? Doesn't seem right to me. It has ATF in it now, any specific type of ATF to get or stay away from?
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« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2017, 04:52:50 PM »
I don't know about your nice new skidder but my Dresser dozer with a power shift transmission calls for straight SAE 10 wt oil or HyTran in the transmission. I run HyTran type oil.

BTW is that Rte 15 or Rte 2 out front there ?? Either one I should recognize but I don't ????

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« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2017, 06:14:20 PM »
I don't know about your nice new skidder but my Dresser dozer with a power shift transmission calls for straight SAE 10 wt oil or HyTran in the transmission. I run HyTran type oil.

BTW is that Rte 15 or Rte 2 out front there ?? Either one I should recognize but I don't ????

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Its RT 2 right in the middle of the construction zone. It landed at Goodrichs sugarhouse.
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Re: New to me Clark skidder
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2017, 07:34:27 AM »
Chris oldseabee said the new spec was 10wt oil, but the two speeds have run on ATF forever. i still run ATF, never any trouble, i don't think i'll change. dexron, don't use any new spec atf.

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« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2017, 08:25:39 PM »
Thanks Treeslayer.
It has atf in it now Im gonna stick with that.

Itching to get this thing into the woods! Hopefully by the new year Ill be able to pull a few hitches. Takes awhile to get things done when you only have weekends.
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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2017, 07:15:39 PM »
Well got the oil changed, it definitely needed it. Fuel filters are changed, got gear oil changed in the back rearend, couldnt find the fill plug for the front, Im gonna check in the manual but any suggestions?

Found the leaking seal- its at the bottom of the transmission where the rear output shaft? Comes out. Gonna check in the manual for the seal number, get that on the way, change that out then Ill drain the trans fluid and change filter, itll be ready to go!

Got the arch welded too, I think itll hold up fine, I dont plan on pushing a lot of trees.
My buddy who just got done logging says Im real spoiled getting to work on it in a heated shop. Ill take it while I can!
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« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2017, 03:28:30 AM »
Both my 666 C9046 series have run straight weight C3 30W oil in the trans since before I owned them. Works well but this is equatorial tropics and that may be heat related and/or give you problems in colder climates.

10W for the hydraulics
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Most Allison and many Clark transmissions of that vintage both had ATF/ red oil as factory spec. All the oil books now show series 3 or better 10W instead. Just as well - I'd hate to have to buy ATF by the 40 gal. drum.
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« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2017, 09:08:28 PM »
Nice looking skidder I run a 664 daily, great machines. I run atf in the transmission works great also helps to have a different color to figure out where the leak is coming from :)

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Re: New to me Clark skidder
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2017, 02:30:23 PM »
Well I got the old seal out, and found that the shaft it seals has a slight groove worn in it from an old seal. Probably why it was leaking.

Someone suggested to me a Speedi sleeve. Thoughts?
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« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2017, 02:32:31 PM »
Id like to get something done soon, it cant live in the heated shop for a heck of a lot longer. But now the machine is immobile.
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« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2017, 04:07:33 PM »
yeah ive used them. never had a 100% result but good enough to get her going and keep her going for a while.
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« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2017, 04:28:10 PM »
I figured as much. The proper fix is a new shaft. However this machine will not see full time usage, only maybe 2 days a week. Hopefully the sleeve will slow the leak to a reasonable amount. Before it was a pretty bad leak...
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« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2017, 07:15:49 PM »
no it should take it up quite well for a while, assuming you have regular wear on the old shaft and not elliptical wear. if the old wear is round it'll seal, if its out of round then its problematic from the start.

In truck terms the speedy sleeve will be perfect for about 10,000 miles, but then it starts to wear and you go right back to where you started with it leaking around the sleeve because that groove in the shaft didnt get there by magic.
 Thing is how long does it take you to do that 10k miles? For some thats a couple weeks, for some thats a couple years. But it should buy you time.

Option would be to find a seal with the same outer, smaller inner by not much, and then machine the old shaft down to suit the new seal. Thats a permanant fix until next time too. Much depends on what else wearing is responsible for the shaft wear in the first place.

Fixing old gear to hang together for another 5k hours... sadly I'm too dammed experienced at it

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« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2017, 08:21:46 PM »
Dope it up with vaseline.

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« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2017, 08:47:10 PM »
Its not out of round and the groove is very slight so itll probably be fine. Another 5000 hours? I doubt Ill put that on it. I figured tops probably like 20 hours a week (10 hrs Saturday and Sunday) and it wont be every weekend, itll take me 6 months or more to put 250 hours on it.
But, I want it ready to go for when I can work and would rather not be wrenching ALL of the time.
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« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2017, 09:46:48 PM »
if its only slight another option is to build it up with weld and machine it back.

And for quick and dirty a bit of liquid metal or araldite works.
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« Reply #35 on: December 22, 2017, 04:20:56 PM »
Hmmm....... So, measured the shaft at 2.152", I cannot find a sleeve shaft repair kit that fits that size range. Speed sleeve and sturdi sleeve go from 2.125-2.165, with the closest match being the minimum for the 2.165 sleeve, at 2.162, the 2.125 goes max to 2.130. I know we're talking hundreths of inches, but I'm afraid it's too much either way (spin on the shaft or won't ever fit)
What do you guys think? I need to get this out of the shop...
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« Reply #36 on: December 22, 2017, 04:26:07 PM »
Wish I could help with the shaft, but I'm no mechanic.  The guy I work for owns 2 Clark skidders, and let me tell you they are as tough as a bag of hammers!  I've worked around the 3 major brand cable skidders (Clark, Deere, timberjack) and the clarks were hands down the best machines.  Even the 664's can handle a hitch of wood that will make you shake.
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« Reply #37 on: December 22, 2017, 06:03:33 PM »
Perhaps that shaft has already been turned once to remove a previous groove?
Can you get a number off the seal to verify whether or not it's a stock dimension?

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« Reply #38 on: December 22, 2017, 06:05:38 PM »
Old seal is trashed but the new one is an OEM sized seal. I don't think it's been turned before, but who knows with a 40 year old machine that has unknown hours.
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« Reply #39 on: December 22, 2017, 10:36:16 PM »
I used Speedi-sleeves on the front & rear diffs as well as the wheel seals on my '75 IH S-8 skidder. They work best when carefully installed after emery polishing any ridges alongside the groove, then after cleaning everything well lay a bead of Loctite 518 on the old shaft to fill the groove and seal any irregularities under the sleeve. Install carefully and wipe away the excess. Let it sit 24hrs before installing the new seal if you have the time, and you'll be good to go for a long time. Be sure to install the new seal with some grease on the lip, and if it's an open seal on one side, pack that with grease. If it's a closed seal on both faces look carefully to see which side faces the liquid (it's stamped).
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« Reply #40 on: December 22, 2017, 10:58:43 PM »
Can you seat the seal at a different depth. Ive done this quote a bit in the industrial side of maintenance, where pumps run 24 hours a day seven days a week. I can usually get three different seal sets before, I need to repair shaft.
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« Reply #41 on: December 23, 2017, 09:28:18 AM »
ohiowoodchuck brings up a really good point.  We've got an old Cat 930 loader up on the farm.  My Brother In Law had to "double up" one seal in the driveline that was a bear to get at.  Machine has unknow thousands of hours on it.  When he got in their to replace it, book called for "1", low and behold somebody had been there before and put in two, one more parts run and one more seal, she's going again.  Just a ohiowoodchuck said, it'll move the "sealing point", might be an easy fix if you've got the room to do it???
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« Reply #42 on: December 23, 2017, 10:16:11 AM »
Im definitely going to go take a look and see if that will work. If it does thatd be awesome.
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« Reply #43 on: December 23, 2017, 04:10:42 PM »
Ohiowoodchuck, you're awesome  8) thanks alot for the tip. Makes all the sense in the world but I'd have never thought of it.

Got it all back together, ran it around the parking lot and pushed some snowbanks, got the trans fluid hot and checked it\topped it off, ran and went good, shined a flashlight on that new seal, hasn't leaked yet! Granted it's not alot of use, but I would have thought it'd be either good or bad. Here's hoping.

I installed the seal flush with the case of the transmission, made sure the yoke wouldn't rub on the seal, pretty sure I got a full 1-1.5" away from that groove.

The trans filter was a bear to get off! I fought and battled with that, someone had it on there super tight. Might have said a bad word even, but got it eventually...

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« Reply #44 on: December 24, 2017, 10:18:20 AM »
my uncle had a D just like that. its about 8" shorter than my B so about as short a clark as you'll find. i think you'll really like that tractor. our 666B is pulling timber daily, has had very little done to it, it just goes and goes.

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« Reply #45 on: December 24, 2017, 11:27:34 AM »
Thats what everyone says, tough as nails and just keeps going. Thats what Im looking for!

This one is really a C by serial number, if you look close or can see where they painted over the 666C. Not sure why anyone would do that.

I got a job cutting spruce, hopefully by the new year Ill be pulling hitches.
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« Reply #46 on: January 02, 2018, 07:41:51 PM »
Got 4 newish chains on the Clark, forum member 240b was very kind and hooked me up with a set of double diamond ice chains and I bought a set of ring chains off craigslist that are way ahead of what I had.

Got those on and tight and moved the Skidder to my first job yesterday. Job wasnt too far away from the shop so I ran it a few miles up the dirt road and might have travelled on Rt. 2 for a stretch  ;) sure beats a big bill to trailer it 2 miles up the road but dang was it cold!

Already learned plowing snow with a Skidder is pretty much terrible. Cut and pulled a few trees before it got dark. Looks like no logging for me this weekend, Saturday high of -16, I dont need to cut wood that badly.

Oh, if anyone knows of someone desperate for a set of Skidder chains, I have 2 sets of ring chains 23.1x26, one set should probably be scrapped, but one set is decent, probably 25%. Worth putting on, basically an upgrade over no chains. Just looking to pay it forward after I got the ice chains.
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Re: New to me Clark skidder
« Reply #47 on: January 02, 2018, 09:46:19 PM »
i plowed snow with a 664b last winter, that was painful. I did figure out to grab both transmission levers with one hand. low range forward to plow, and high range reverse to back up and try again.

i was cutting weekends and missed one, well in the intervening time we got like 3ft of snow. i was over an hour just getting the landing pushed off.

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« Reply #48 on: January 02, 2018, 10:56:41 PM »
Glad it worked for you. Its not perfect but I have used it a lot when time is money, to get out of hours of down time for shaft replacement and keep the products moving.
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« Reply #49 on: January 04, 2018, 07:06:17 PM »
Got 4 newish chains on the Clark, forum member 240b was very kind and hooked me up with a set of double diamond ice chains and I bought a set of ring chains off craigslist that are way ahead of what I had.

Got those on and tight and moved the Skidder to my first job yesterday. Job wasnt too far away from the shop so I ran it a few miles up the dirt road and might have travelled on Rt. 2 for a stretch  ;) sure beats a big bill to trailer it 2 miles up the road but dang was it cold!

Already learned plowing snow with a Skidder is pretty much terrible. Cut and pulled a few trees before it got dark. Looks like no logging for me this weekend, Saturday high of -16, I dont need to cut wood that badly.

Oh, if anyone knows of someone desperate for a set of Skidder chains, I have 2 sets of ring chains 23.1x26, one set should probably be scrapped, but one set is decent, probably 25%. Worth putting on, basically an upgrade over no chains. Just looking to pay it forward after I got the ice chains.
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« Reply #50 on: January 04, 2018, 07:54:32 PM »
Oh I know it, the limbs will basically fall off. I just don't know if I'll be able to get the skidder started when it's been bitter cold and it's sat all week. Already found out I need a new battery. How much do I want to mess around trying to get the thing started, kill 1\2 a saturday to work 1\2 a day? I'm just gonna be a weekend warrior for now, if it's real nasty I'm not even gonna try. I don't owe anything on the skidder so if it sits no big deal. I also work 5-6 days a week sugaring. We're tapping now, lots of miles on snowshoes all day. This saturday I have to give a seminar lecture on 3\16 tubing so that's out for logging. It's gonna be hit or miss I think...
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Re: New to me Clark skidder
« Reply #51 on: January 05, 2018, 10:16:19 AM »
A bucket fulla coals and an old blanket or some painters plastic is your friend on starting cold machines.  Torpedo heater works too.   Keep the extinguisher handy. 


Ether is much much safer to squirt a wiff while cranking than hosing down the filter then jumping in.    I run a nylon hose with an npt cap through the dash, down to a manifold port on all my old cold blooded junk.  Only shoot ether while engine is turning.  Beware of grid heaters too.

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« Reply #52 on: January 12, 2018, 04:46:51 PM »
 ::) Oh it never seems to end...

Tried starting my skidder today in preparation for logging this weekend, nice warm weather. No go. Put the booster cables to it. Still nothing, smaller 12v solenoid click click clicking... Decided to swap that out as a cheap way to rule options out. While at the parts store they had a special on the battery I needed so I got one anyway, the one in it was old and tired, it was time. Get the solenoid back in, new battery hooked up, and it tried to turn over once, then the solenoid just clicked.

Whats left? Must be the starter or starter solenoid right?
Got that pulled a little while ago just before dark. Looks like I'm headed to the starter shop in St. J tomorrow, and probably no logging for me this weekend  :-\ It'd be nice if the money would start coming in rather than going out, but that isn't gonna happen if I can't start the skidder!
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Re: New to me Clark skidder
« Reply #53 on: January 12, 2018, 05:15:13 PM »
That's a tough one. Check and clean all your connections if you haven't all ready. Are you going to the shop on Bay St. ? If so they can fix you up fine and they do good work. But just don't hold your breath til it's ready. Couple years back I brought my dozer alternator in on a Friday. They told me it'd be ready the next Wednesday, Friday at the latest. Took them over a month and nothing happened til I went in everyday. So don't be afraid to push a little. Just sayin.

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« Reply #54 on: January 12, 2018, 05:20:35 PM »
Yeah I checked and cleaned all the connections before replacing the smaller solenoid. I did replace one cable from the small solenoid to the starter solenoid (not totally sure why it has two?) as it was pretty crusty and didn't look good.

The shop on Bay street was recommended to me, seems like the best place around to go for starter stuff. Hopefully they get it done in a timely manner, I can't be waiting a month... I also can't stop in every day, during the week I'm in the woods tapping from 7-430 and don't get home till 545 usually.
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Re: New to me Clark skidder
« Reply #55 on: January 12, 2018, 05:56:40 PM »
If you are headed south for anything try Dave's starter and alternator in Lebanon NH. Top notch. Quick turnaround.

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« Reply #56 on: January 13, 2018, 03:56:01 PM »
I'll  second Daves ,he has rebuilt starters and alternators while i waited. Don
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« Reply #57 on: January 13, 2018, 04:22:42 PM »
It's at the shop in St.J. Herbie was recommended to me by more than a few local people I know. Plus St.J is 15 minutes, Lebanon NH is over an hour.
I think it's in good hands. I walked through the door and before I could say anything he knew it was a starter for a detroit. Said it should be ready monday.
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« Reply #58 on: January 13, 2018, 09:56:25 PM »
My experience with the " click click " noise is quite often that I don't get enough current from the battery to the starter motor, especially when you have no luck with booster cables.  If the pole clamps are not sodered at the end and just clamped down with two little screws it could be quite possible that you have a bad connection. Also a  bad ground or a faulty master switch can do the same thing.
Not saying your starter motor is fine, I just think it's a little weird as you normally can hear when they go bad or are making funny noises, they usually don't work the one day and not the next one.
Will be interesting to hear anyways.
   
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« Reply #59 on: January 13, 2018, 10:09:51 PM »
You know, I really haven't owned the thing long enough to really know how well it started. It did start fine a few times when I was moving it around the yard and into the shop, but once in the shop the starter spun a few times without engaging.
Thought I went over all the connections, cleaned them up, etc. Even looked at the ignition button, but did not check the master switch.
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« Reply #60 on: January 14, 2018, 08:42:48 AM »
intermittent starting trouble could be related to the master switch chased a problem like that for a long while on my buggy had a bad ground strap replaced that and all was good have also seen the masters go bad themselves also will say that soldered cable ends are the best cut the green out and solder them on good luck they started tappin around here yesterday as we lost all our snow with 2in of rain.
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« Reply #61 on: January 14, 2018, 03:18:46 PM »
The ends of the cable will corrode first then the resistance makes them start dropping volts.  If wires are long enough, trim it back an inch and hammer on a new crimp then solder it. 

If you are talking remote solenoid, the control coils usually ground themselves thru the metal base and lose continuity. 

If you are getting a spinning starter motor but not a spinning engine, its the piggyback style solenoid where a plunger kicks the starter bull gear out to mesh with the flywheel, then a spring retracts it.  The magnet inside attracts an iron slug to travel toward the magnet and swing a forked lever to push the gear out.  Either that bore is gummed or rusted up or the shaft that the gear slides on needs to be cleaned and lubed.  Very simple hand tool job.

If its not fully resolved when you put the reman starter back on, get your jumper cables and start duplicating ground wires then recheck.  When you find combination that makes it spin over good, you have identified the weak continuity.  Im talking starter body to battery negative, engine block to battery negative etc etc.  A cable can ohm out near zero, voltage test right up there at battery voltage.. But not carry the amps.  Load testing each cable isnt really feasible so make a jumper bypass around them one at a time and re-crank. Pinpoint before you swipe the credit card.  Hope that helps.

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« Reply #62 on: January 17, 2018, 08:37:31 PM »
Got the starter back from the shop Monday, 90 bucks, new brushes, solenoid, misc small parts he said it was froze up. Well see Saturday morning when I put it back in. In the meantime were tapping as much as we can. The deep snow turned into hardpack and we can go anywhere on snowshoes without sinking, its awesome, makes our job so much easier and faster.
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« Reply #63 on: January 17, 2018, 09:20:53 PM »
I have a few sugar maples on my land, I used to think maple syrup was expensive until I started making it myself, now when I hear how much it costs to buy, I think its a pretty good deal!!
 I tap about 2/1000ths of the trees you do celliot.

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« Reply #64 on: January 21, 2018, 06:37:44 PM »
Whew....

Yesterday got the starter in and all hooked up, still no start  >:( now what, recheck all the grounds and clean them up, checked the master switch and bypassed it, found my positive cable had a big chunk of insulation missing, driveshaft probably got it at some point so its a quick trip to Napa before they close. Get that back in and still nothing. Go home frustrated. Today try duplicating grounds with the jumper cables and still nothing. What the heck. Call a buddy, you sure the battery is charged enough? Yeah its brand new. Well try jumping it anyways   :laugh:  what do you know the new battery didnt have enough juice. Sometimes its the simplest things you overlook. Didnt I feel smart, pulling my hair out trying to figure this out. I need to get proficient with a test meter. Electrical stuff is something Im really lacking in my mechanical expertise.

So I pulled one hitch and got another started before it got too dark. Hopefully next weekend is decent weather, Ive missed out on some awful good logging conditions so far this month!
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« Reply #65 on: January 21, 2018, 07:00:53 PM »
 smiley_thumbsup Good you're up and running again and you will catch up in no time.

Still think your froze up starter was causing the headache in the first place as you have used jumper cables then, right.
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« Reply #66 on: January 21, 2018, 07:06:02 PM »
smiley_thumbsup Good you're up and running again and you will catch up in no time.

Still think your froze up starter was causing the headache in the first place as you have used jumper cables then, right.

That's correct, we tried jumping it before the rebuilt starter, with a new solenoid even. The messed up positive cable may have not been the problem but it needed to be changed, it was bad.
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« Reply #67 on: January 21, 2018, 07:44:47 PM »
Just for s&g's.. Hold something metallic to the back of the alternator when running.  You should feel some magnestism near the center if its charging.

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« Reply #68 on: January 21, 2018, 10:06:34 PM »
Strong starters are important.  Now you're all good :) :)
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« Reply #69 on: January 24, 2018, 08:47:36 PM »
Fired up yesterday without a boost so thats good. We didnt go tapping due to the rain but I figured I could pull some wood  ;D shorter ride home soaked anyways.

One question on the Clark winch- it free spools too easy, drop the hitch and if you dont lock the winch right away it spins and snarls the cable. I can catch it when Im on the skidder but when Im dragging cable to a tree the drum keeps on spinning and snarls up. Annoying to say the least. I dont want it to drag hard so I guess its not the worst problem but how do I adjust it so it doesnt spool quite so easy?
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« Reply #70 on: January 25, 2018, 12:03:58 AM »
Pull a frozen up gearmatic for a while and you'll love that freespool! I just walk slowly and try not to pull the line out all at once, if I get a little extra line I'll pull forward a bit and then tighten up.
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« Reply #71 on: January 25, 2018, 07:46:34 AM »
Chris,There should be a handwheel,knob on the side of the winch that you can loosen or tighten that moves a small brake pad aginst the winch drum. Don
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« Reply #72 on: January 25, 2018, 10:42:47 PM »
The brake drag adjustment screw on a Gearmatic 19 or 119 is a 3/8"-16 allen-head setscrew that's hard to see in its little hole on top of the winch on the clutch/brake side. It's just behind the two big cast bosses and the brake cylinder connection.
After you find it, clean out the hole and hit it with PB blaster, you should be able to screw it in to add drag or out to free it up if you go too far.

Once it's free, not a bad idea to remove it and put some never-seize on it. The manual is available free online. Don't let that winch sit uncovered for too long without running it or the bands will rust to the drum and it's a PITA to get it all back in order...
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Re: New to me Clark skidder
« Reply #73 on: January 26, 2018, 05:11:18 AM »
Its not a gearmatic winch its an allied/Clark winch. Thanks Loggah Ill check it out Saturday when I go to cut some more wood.
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Re: New to me Clark skidder
« Reply #74 on: January 28, 2018, 08:17:42 AM »
Nice looking rig Chris, I just let a couple of chokers settle on a chain I have wrapped around the arch and when it freespools from dropping the hitch theres enough drag on the cable to stop the cable from snarling. Never had a problem  with them getting sucked in. On a gearmatic theres those two bolt holes in the casting for a bar across the winch drum also to help prevent a rats nest , or at least thats the theory. I like to have mine freespool easy as to not needing any more workout than I already get in the bush when dragging cable and setting chokers.



 
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