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Offline Gearbox

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Re: Wheel Harvesters
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2017, 10:19:19 AM »
Skeans1 I talked to my friend Dave and he said he may be able to stop up and see you . He said he met one of your trucks going up the mtn out of town .  Is the wood going to Longview ?
A bunch of chainsaws a BT6870 processer , TC 5 International track skidder and not near enough time

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« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2017, 03:38:09 PM »
Skeans1 I talked to my friend Dave and he said he may be able to stop up and see you . He said he met one of your trucks going up the mtn out of town .  Is the wood going to Longview ?
Yeah it's all going to Longview since the pulp/old sort yard closed last year.

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Re: Wheel Harvesters
« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2017, 11:04:44 PM »
I've heard region 6 is trying to deter guys from rubber iron, supposedly because of compaction but I don't get it.

That doesn't make any sense a rubber tire machine with bogie axles has less ground pressure and much less ground disturbance than a tracked machine.... Through a set or two of over the tire tracks on the bogies and the ground pressure can be less than that of a pickup truck.
I kind of wondered when j heard it, these guys buy ALOT of wood, probably one of the biggest softwood producers in NY state, got talking about iron and he said they have 4 on track and 1 rubber machine.

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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2017, 12:10:29 AM »
I've heard region 6 is trying to deter guys from rubber iron, supposedly because of compaction but I don't get it.

That doesn't make any sense a rubber tire machine with bogie axles has less ground pressure and much less ground disturbance than a tracked machine.... Through a set or two of over the tire tracks on the bogies and the ground pressure can be less than that of a pickup truck.
I kind of wondered when j heard it, these guys buy ALOT of wood, probably one of the biggest softwood producers in NY state, got talking about iron and he said they have 4 on track and 1 rubber machine.
It may depend on how they are thinning one bonus to a track machine like a 415, 653, 608, 501, 240 is they're narrower then a wheel machine so you can zip into your thinning from a row or do ghost thinning rows. Also how long is a track frame vs the tracked up tire I've never measured our 1210 but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not shorter then our 653 track frame.

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Re: Wheel Harvesters
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2017, 09:12:56 AM »
If you worried about compaction the harvester isn't a real concern the forwarder is. An 8 wheel harvester with tracks all around will float more than any comparably sized tracked carrier I've seen, but no matter what the forwarder is the same and heavier than anything.

Benefit of a rubber tired machine in a thinning is the boom reach. The ponsse I ran had a reach of close to 30 feet so in a row type thinning you could thin multiple rows from one spot.

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« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2017, 11:17:04 AM »
If you worried about compaction the harvester isn't a real concern the forwarder is. An 8 wheel harvester with tracks all around will float more than any comparably sized tracked carrier I've seen, but no matter what the forwarder is the same and heavier than anything.

Benefit of a rubber tired machine in a thinning is the boom reach. The ponsse I ran had a reach of close to 30 feet so in a row type thinning you could thin multiple rows from one spot.
A buddy has a 415 with 34 like a ex10 but the longest I know of is a Rottne H14 with 39 which would be nice as well as a good way to break something.

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« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2017, 02:37:05 PM »
Yep, the width of your harvester doesn't matter much, if your forwarder is wider. It's always longer, our processors can cut narrower strips and tighter corners, I tell them don't bother. What's the point if I can't get in there to pick it up?
Too many irons in the fire

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« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2017, 03:42:39 PM »
Yep, the width of your harvester doesn't matter much, if your forwarder is wider. It's always longer, our processors can cut narrower strips and tighter corners, I tell them don't bother. What's the point if I can't get in there to pick it up?
We'll go in and cut a yarding row then either walk in to thin the area more shooting out to each yarding row. The ghost thinning is you have two yarding rows on each side of your cutting row well shooting the wood to either yarding row.

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Re: Wheel Harvesters
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2017, 05:27:09 AM »
Be interesting to see if the 'Eltec' company grows market share. Stayed with Cummins and plenty of power for the machine.  Eltec 220 series - zero tail swing.
Light thinning or heavy thinning? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3RFON8omFI&feature=youtu.be

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Re: Wheel Harvesters
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2017, 07:13:57 AM »
I've been following this thread gathering any info I can store in my noggin.  If all goes as planned I will have my tracked harvester paid off very soon and am considering another machine as there seems to be lots of wood available locally.  The wood basket however is going to be largely managed stands with lots of smaller diameter wood.  I'm thinking a wheeled harvester may be my next purchase. 
Skeans1 good luck with whatever you decide
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Re: Wheel Harvesters
« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2017, 08:05:15 AM »
We traded in our cat 501 on a Ponsse ergo, and in my opinion, the operator comfort alone makes up for the difference in price. I feel so much better at the end of the day now, itís almost unbelievable. I hope I never sit on tracks again
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« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2017, 09:56:56 AM »
We traded in our cat 501 on a Ponsse ergo, and in my opinion, the operator comfort alone makes up for the difference in price. I feel so much better at the end of the day now, itís almost unbelievable. I hope I never sit on tracks again
If I wasn't probably going to need a leveler of some sort I'd probably go with a barko 240 and with an ergo that'd be an issue in the northwest with the new rules coming out. One big reason we're thinking wheel is weight, width, and easy of tethering if I have to go that route.

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« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2017, 10:04:19 AM »
Be interesting to see if the 'Eltec' company grows market share. Stayed with Cummins and plenty of power for the machine.  Eltec 220 series - zero tail swing.
Light thinning or heavy thinning? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3RFON8omFI&feature=youtu.be
Out here where I am they won't take hold with the weight and being non leveling plus it's almost 11 feet wide not good for thinning.

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Re: Wheel Harvesters
« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2017, 10:40:22 AM »
There's always write ups in the different magazines loggers world, timberwest etc about wheeled machines thinning out there.   Is it just a publicity push or are some of the guys noticing benefits over tracked carriers.    My harvester measures 10'2" wide

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« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2017, 12:09:24 PM »
There's always write ups in the different magazines loggers world, timberwest etc about wheeled machines thinning out there.   Is it just a publicity push or are some of the guys noticing benefits over tracked carriers.    My harvester measures 10'2" wide
It's a more of a push since out here by the manufacturers like Deere ECT to get rid of the smaller track carriers, the 415, 608, & 653 were super popular out here for thinning even when the 1270's and valmets were out here. One reason a lot of us ran that stuff is our ground and how wet it gets where a wheel machine you can slip till this assist came out. At one time the tree farm I'm on had 5 sets of fabteks heads all of us cutting long wood in thinning 3 of which were 653's, one was a 490, and a 425 leveler other machines were one 1270 and a 608 all they did was cut short wood.

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« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2017, 06:18:11 PM »
I've got a question for the guys running scorpions and komatsu harvesters how are the rotex bearings holding up under the cab? My only thought is that's a big long leveler with weight on a small bearing for the mass from looking at it.

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« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2017, 07:23:18 AM »
I only have 5500 hours on mine so not surprising there hasn't been any issues.   

I also run an auto greaser so it's greased constantly instead of once a day.

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« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2017, 06:45:13 PM »
Ponsse tethered harvester Oregon.
http://troutmountain.com/forestry-blog/2017/9/26/tethered-logging-steep-slope-options
 Tethered Ponsse

That's Miller timber service, one of the foresters for trout mountain use to work for them they mainly do government type work. I don't have an issue with ponsse but the price doesn't show the difference for an ergo vs say a H14 or a 1270G. Here locally they're talking about setting up rentals of another system.

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« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2017, 08:28:19 PM »
I think forests would benefit a lot from harvester and forwarder rentals.  Would take a lot of pressure off the mechanized crew to cut cut cut no matter what what what.


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