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Author Topic: Question for the CTL guys.  (Read 1986 times)

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Offline BargeMonkey

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Question for the CTL guys.
« on: December 29, 2017, 01:05:13 AM »
 Saturday morning I'm headed to VT to look at this. Other than welds and cracks what else on a dangle head do you look for ? Anyone ever been around one ? I've been told the 711 was kind of a prototype and expensive being Cat. 7000hrs, originally owned by a company down by the PA border when they where doing the pipeline work.
 

 
 

 
 

 
 The guy bought it from Cat, hasn't worked much, he bought a Ponsse rubber harvester. Has the books, supposedly the computer works right. Same finals as my Timbco, Cat C-7 engine, has a fire system. I think the guys in ME/NH have it figured out with working behind a buncher, that's my plan with this machine, wondering if there's anything special on the head to check ?

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Re: Question for the CTL guys.
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2017, 05:19:08 AM »
LogMax's spare part time span policy is 10 years according to this.
http://www.logmax.com/en/service-support/spare-parts
Have a look at a few machines (JD, tigercat,etc) of the same age and hours to allow a valid comparison of 'value'.
https://www.machinerytrader.com/listings/construction-equipment/for-sale/12090251/2011-tigercat-h822c

Are the 711's specs around to know how heavy a head it can handle (pump volume/ pressure to run the head etc? to know what alternative heads are options.(ponsse, tigercat -too heavy, waratah, newer logmax, rolly2 etc) http://www.swedcan.com/Logmax.php   newer 6000B  http://www.logmax.com/en/products/6000b
I gues you are aware of the C7's real world history.

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Re: Question for the CTL guys.
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2017, 05:32:59 AM »
Hey Barge that head is a Logmax, no problems there, well other than the broken upper knife. If they have the other piece it's no problem to weld back on, but it most likely got lost in the bush. I can't speak on the carrier but if it's Cat it's bound to be expensive. Check the bushings on all the moving parts that can get pricey. Make sure that it measures by turning on the computer and rolling the measuring wheel both ways. Those are nice simple heads, easy to work on and they work good but not a hardwood head. I used a 5000 for the past two years, I was really impressed with it. It you decide to get it keep me in mind if you have any questions with it. We never had any problems getting parts for our 20 year old head and was actually in stock in Moncton NB, way better than John Deere here. Everything at Deere had to be ordered and for some reason one part was always at the Milan warehouse. 

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Re: Question for the CTL guys.
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2017, 09:01:44 AM »
Make sure you can still get the parts for the carrier even cat is like Deere/Waratah or Komatsu/Logmax for parts anything built after 10 years well to them scrap. Being that age that 750 should be 24 wire correct? You might call and ask on a price of a computer ahead of time just to get an idea of what they run.

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Re: Question for the CTL guys.
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2017, 09:04:12 AM »
Barge I can't help you on the carrier much but there are a couple things I would look for on the head. Other than the obvious stress cracks it can be a good idea to pull the cover off of the front of the feed wheels to check the gear lube in the wheel planetaries.  If that has not been kept up with you can spend a lot of money on planetarie parts in a hurry. Also on that 750 head the measuring system can be a PITA. The measuring wheel arm pivots at the bottom, instead of the top like the new 7000 series head, giving you a little less traveling distance for accurate measuring and leaving it more susceptible to getting hit with rough spots on the log when feeding it through the head. I have been happy with the 750 head on my Rottne but that measuring system has been a weak link. If that is a 400 computer the technology is a little obsolete now but they are pretty much a bullet proof. I have had good luck with the 400 computer, Logmax made them fairly simple to understand and troubleshoot when you do have problems.
A father son cut to length team with a '00 rottne smv harvester, '89 and '99 rottne rapid forwarder, '74 664 clark ranger skidder, '86 ford one ton that hauls 100 plus cords of firewood a year along with a couple thousand taps worth of sap.

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Re: Question for the CTL guys.
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2017, 10:18:30 AM »
if it has 24 wires i would look for another machine. could you buy a new computer for 10k?

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Re: Question for the CTL guys.
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2017, 10:25:34 AM »
Man, its crazy that these things come with 30yr price tags and only 10yrs of parts support.  Seems like a trap.

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Re: Question for the CTL guys.
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2017, 10:28:46 AM »
..but you need a water pump for your turdbox 1966 volkswagen beetle.. JCwhitney and rock auto will swordfight for your $19. 

All the irony.

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Re: Question for the CTL guys.
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2017, 12:05:47 PM »
If you are following a buncher would a fixed head be less $ and possibly more reliable? I followed one with a Fabtek and had good results, but have never run a dangle for comparison.

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Re: Question for the CTL guys.
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2017, 12:32:13 PM »
With all the money barge has. Just go to fort Kent and buy that new tiger cat with the fixed 7000 8ft. It's only half a mill

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Re: Question for the CTL guys.
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2017, 12:33:17 PM »
7000 xt.   

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Re: Question for the CTL guys.
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2017, 06:27:00 PM »
Or a new Skidmore 22 with a bottom knife I may have some pictures of a new one at the factory some where. Can I ask why you'd want to follow a buncher vs only having one machine to do the same job?

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Re: Question for the CTL guys.
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2017, 06:27:23 PM »
..but you need a water pump for your turdbox 1966 volkswagen beetle.. JCwhitney and rock auto will swordfight for your $19. 

All the irony.

^Fake news.
Type 1,2,3 Volkswagens are air cooled.  :D

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Re: Question for the CTL guys.
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2017, 10:44:31 PM »
With all the money barge has. Just go to fort Kent and buy that new tiger cat with the fixed 7000 8ft. It's only half a mill
😂 only 545,00. Yeah no, non tilt, be about useless here without a buncher.

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Re: Question for the CTL guys.
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2017, 10:47:05 PM »
I appreciate the info guys i really do 👍, again something I don't know much about. Going to price some parts and look it over, I'm not desperate but looking.
 

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Re: Question for the CTL guys.
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2017, 12:14:44 AM »
If I was doing a processor I would do a a Rottne they're easy to work on as well as a JD engine , all the pumps have the tags still on them same with bogies, an a small business owner that means a lot to me.

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Re: Question for the CTL guys.
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2017, 02:05:23 AM »
..but you need a water pump for your turdbox 1966 volkswagen beetle.. JCwhitney and rock auto will swordfight for your $19. 

All the irony.

^Fake news.
Type 1,2,3 Volkswagens are air cooled.  :D

I blame russia.

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Re: Question for the CTL guys.
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2017, 05:07:42 AM »
The Logmax heads are quite popular around here and anybody I've talked to like them.  The Timberking on the other hand would be a bit of a gamble in my mind.  I'd sooner buy something that is far more common.  Then again you have been running a Timbco and there is only a handful of them left in my part of the world.  Good luck in your decision.  I would also say go buy new if logging was all you did.  I was nearly ruined trying to keep an old harvester running.
Lots of toys for working in the bush

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Re: Question for the CTL guys.
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2017, 05:01:43 AM »
Possibly the modern equivalent to the 711
Cat 521B with south star qs500  (Logset with the forwarder in the demo also do rubber tired harvesters/ processors. might one day ask cat to get logset to put a cat engine in a logset rubber tired harvester/ processor with logset head with band tracks - could up with something interesting)
https://youtu.be/NbWtSB9Wwsw?t=9m55s

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Re: Question for the CTL guys.
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2017, 08:58:43 AM »
so did peter say cat was out of the forwarder business now?? sounded like it


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