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Re: Battery operated chain saws
« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2018, 04:54:38 PM »
I understand where you are coming from. I can't help, other than to say that the best reviews bar none have come from Holmen tree and he is using his commercially. So far that has been husky, but only because the stihl he wants to try hasn't been available, I like husky gas saws, have a great dealer for huskys, so would probably lean that direction myself.
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« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2018, 06:53:33 PM »
Thanks Joe and starmac - for those interested, I have some data listed below from my internet research.  I didn't try to find the best price, I just looked for prices.  Joe, I hear you abou the the Husqvarna - The 120i has the best price, sold at lowes (they refunded the kobalt on a store card) but I don't know if it will hold up to my weekend winter warrior needs. I do like the automatic sharpener on the Oregon and the price is reasonable.  The Stihl and Husq 536 seems like great product, great reviews and even greater price.

Joe you have me leaning towards the Husq 201i.  I am still uncertain.  Thanks for the recommendations!



Stihl MSA 200C-BQ       $380.00    Charger    $89.00    Battery (1)    $199.00        $668.00

Oregon CS300       $369.99    W Slow Charger and 4 Ah battery      4Ah battery          $369.99

Husqvarna 120i 40-volt       $249.00    with charger and 40v 4Ah battery                $249.00

Husqvarna 536Li 40-volt       $399.95    Charger    $129.95    4Ah battery   159.95       $689.85

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Re: Battery operated chain saws
« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2018, 07:42:24 PM »
Wow, that is a considerable difference between the two huskies,  makes a guy wonder.
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Re: Battery operated chain saws
« Reply #43 on: February 26, 2018, 12:34:12 PM »
Husqvarna 120i 40-volt       $249.00    with charger and 40v 4Ah battery                $249.00


For those that are interested, I purchased the 120i.  Here is a review of the 120i with two 4Ahr batteries and the charger that came with the unit.

I used the 120i to take down several 10" - 14" trees, delimbed and cut into logs for milling.  The battery would last about 30 minutes.  I would put the battery on the charger and start with the other battery.  30 minutes later, that battery would need charging.  However, the charger took 1 hr 50 min the first time to charge.  So this was about an hour of down time. They sell another charger for about $140 I think that will charge faster.

The chain saw, at 14" performed respectively. It would often stop if I got to aggressive in the cut and I would have to pull it out and restart.  This happened a lot until I just had to be "slow" in the cut and then it would stay on without cutting off.

With a new chain, even going slow worked in all aspects except the speed in the cut.  The chainsaw pulls significant torque at the expense of the chain.  A new chain lasted 1 hour while reasonably sharp and perhaps another hour while being dull to unusable. 

For my purposes, using just the 120i in a single person operation to take several trees and process them, there was too much down time to charge the batteries and also too much interrupting in work to sharpen the chain.  I returned the 120i.

I do believe this one would be a great option for someone with short time operations, someone who is working in tandem - a stronger chainsaw to fell trees while the 120i used to delimb it.  The literature did say it was for light duty and perhaps I was using it for more than it was design for.  Although a solid chainsaw, for my purposes, it didn't let me do a days job with it - a one day job turned into a 2 day job with the down time.  But the breaks were nice!  :-)

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« Reply #44 on: February 26, 2018, 02:56:06 PM »
According to Hollmen, it pays to change the chain out to a certain steel chain, which is thin kerf and takes less effort.

I think he uses the pro, more expensive model, which I would imagine makes quite a bit of difference, much like the gas saws.
Thanks for the review.
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« Reply #45 on: March 01, 2018, 09:30:34 AM »
Randy, I think your 120i's battery is the same as what's on my T536 LiXP. 
Either buy a stronger charger what I have or buy a 3rd battery. 

starmac,
Yes the only alternative for the best edge holding, better cutting performance and longer battery life is converting the Husqvarna battery saws over to 1/4" pitch and run the Stihl 71PM chain .
I'm not sure if the optional 1/4 spur sprocket on my 536 will fit the 120i.
But there may be one available for the 120i.
The market for 1/4" is primary the chainsaw carving market but with this new .043 Stihl 71PM chain everyone is covered.
Very nice high quality Swiss made chain. Takes a little 1/8" file.
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« Reply #46 on: March 01, 2018, 09:33:54 AM »
BTW you need to run the 1/4" pitch Stihl bar too.
Just a minor modification using a drill press to drill a couple small holes so it fits the Husqvarna.

For new buyers my best advice is buy a Stihl battery saw in the first place.
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« Reply #47 on: March 02, 2018, 10:27:36 AM »
Of course you would.

A price difference like that allows for the purchase of additional batteries. While another bar/chain option might be some what better, the ones that come with the all those saw cut wood as designed. I too have a little time on a as delivered 120i. A no brainer at that price point for around the yard work and even the occasional blow down (if its under 12inch). Like all those options. when in storage...that could last a year, no gas to go bad. No alcohol degraded carb and fuel hoses, no bar oil on the garage floor. Can even keep one in the car...no gas fumes. As this technology develops my bet is they eventually catch more and more of the gas saw market. At $250 the Husqvarna is an awesome deal within the existing market place......next year? Who knows. But why waste time buying and adapting anything. The thing works as is pretty well.

Stihl also has this option:
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« Reply #48 on: March 02, 2018, 10:43:17 AM »
I picked up a 120i last summer. Went to use it yesterday and the battery showed no life, even when plugged into the charger. I charged it last time I used it in December and it's been inside since then. Very pleased to find out Husky battery equipment has a 3 year warranty, including batteries. So pleased I bought another battery for it.
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« Reply #49 on: March 02, 2018, 10:47:24 AM »
I just checked the Stihl site and they have a 3 year warranty on their battery equipment too. Good for both of them.
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« Reply #50 on: March 02, 2018, 10:51:51 AM »
Buyers need to shop between Stihl and Husqvarna .
As I said before the powerhead is the accessory for the sawchain and only Stihl makes the ultimate narrow kerf chain for a 10" battery saw.
The Stihl 71PM  .043 1/4" chain from my experience on my T536 LiXP stays sharp longer, cuts faster and cuts longer on a battery charge then the lesser quality chains that came with this Husqvarna.

Future looks good for cheaper lithium for the battery industry.

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« Reply #51 on: March 02, 2018, 12:19:48 PM »
The point is that while performance can be improved with price, that only matters if there is a cost justification. The person most likely to want the lower cost option won't cut enough often enough to justify blending brand bars and chains to get some percentage point difference in cutting speed. And as will all chains, they eventually get dull. Some can sharpen, and with the cost of those chains many will just toss the old and buy new for the weekend of work.....the next year it needs to be used.

For a guy who cuts all day every day, maybe it matters. Even then it depends on return on investment. But for 90 percent of that market its a non issue. Entry price is a big deal. And brand loyalty also is a big deal. As with all decisions, a portion is logic and a portion is emotion. The Like/Dislike either a brand or dealer can over ride any rational cost / benefit discussion. And ultimately when you are talking A a workable deal for under $300, the money side isn't that big a "deal"..:) As long as it performs the desired function in an acceptable manner. Any more than a few minutes of actual cut time will if the size of the job is a couple of hours every year.

AND you don't have to buy gas....just to have it sit in a "saw gas" can to be tossed a few months later....
And with the extra $300 bucks you have more pocket change to do things with you family...

There are a few lower cost options, the Husgvarna 120i being just one. Bottom line for me is I used it. It cuts wood as expected. It can be put away for another time without all the baggage attached to a gas powered saw. Its doesn't need another bar & chain option. Its a complete package. More batteries are available. ..$250 Bucks
wow. This is the beginning of the end for those $150 dollar gas saws. And as with the gas saw's there will be this divide between homeowner and pro determined by actual required use time....bet the next few ice storms and subsequent video records on social media will drive the concept home...and with all things price matters.

LOL and there will always be those wanting to improve performance. Whats a GTG going to sound like full of electric saws?? Big capacitors dumping copious amounts of electrons like nitrous dropping oxygen? Have the Nikolai Tesla Nationals? (NTN's ? )
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« Reply #52 on: March 04, 2018, 07:42:44 AM »
One of the sweet things about the 120i is that it takes the standard 095 mount and runs a very common 52dl .050 3/8 lo pro chain. Items you can find just about anywhere. It would be counter productive and an unecessary expense to switch it to 1/4 pitch chain from the "other company." There may not even be a sprocket option to do so. The brushless motor on the 120i doesn't need to run the baby chain anyway.  :laugh:

The battery that is on the 120i is NOT the same battery that comes with the 536 pro series, and obviously not the same charger either. But, and this is important for guys shopping for these saws: The batteries and chargers DO interchange between the 100 series and the 500 series. Not sure if that's the case with the other company. So, this opens up some options for the end user. You could upgrade either the batteries or the charger if need be.

I'd lean toward the better charger myself. I experienced the same recharge time as Randy did with the 120i charger. About an hour and a half for a full charge. But it does get to a usable 80% in less than an hour. Upgrading the battery and not the charger would mean that it would take even longer to get a full charge.

Randy's test is interesting. I did a few trees in the 6-8 inch range. Haven't tried it in anything as big as the 10-14 stuff that he was cutting. Impressive that it would handle that size wood.  :)

Edit: Had a member from Georgia call and talk about these 120's. Had a good conversation and he pointed out an error that I made on the bar mount. The 120 takes the 095, not the 041 mount. Needs the oil hole in there. I corrected it above, but want to add this note to avoid any confusion. Sorry boys!
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« Reply #53 on: March 23, 2018, 06:18:49 PM »
Everyone makes great points!

The 120i is a solid machine - it just didn't quit fit my needs.  Yes, the faster charger would have made it work but I didn't want to spend another $140 ($390 total).  

I haven't read that anyone is using the Kobalt 18" 80v chain saw with 2Ah battery and fast charger included for $300.  This is the one I was using before the 120i - I have other kobalt 80v tools so I have extra batteries (lawn mower, weed wacker, trimmer)  The chain saw stopped working and I went to return for a new one (under warranty) but they were on hold for some reason - hence, that is why I tried the 120i.

For my purposes - mostly taking dead/dying trees during the winter and milling them for my projects - maybe 10 trees a year  -  the kobalt works for me.  The chain doesn't dull as quickly as the 120i and a battery charges in about 30-40 minutes but lasts an hour plus.

The Kobalt just became available again and I will be picking that one up. It fits my work profile perfectly. :-)

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« Reply #54 on: March 24, 2018, 06:50:16 AM »
Why would it be recommended to sharpen the chain more often than a gas saw? A gas saw should have a sharp chain too.
Because the sharper the chain the less cutting effort therefore extending the battery's charge...

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« Reply #55 on: March 24, 2018, 09:22:47 AM »
Why would it be recommended to sharpen the chain more often than a gas saw? A gas saw should have a sharp chain too.
Because the sharper the chain the less cutting effort therefore extending the battery's charge...

            I totally agree.  I own the Oregon 300 model.  I have noticed how much more important it is to keep my chain very sharp.  Even more so with these electric saws.  Performance wise, were on the ragged edge with these anyway when compaired to a gas.   If you bear down on them because of a dull chain, your stopping the saw all the time, which drains the battery more, and harder on the saw and you.    Heck, these are actually a good teaching aid for people that's never ran any chainsaw saw before.  They teach you good habits right on the start. 


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