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Offline Stephen Alford

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Farm tractor working in the woods.
« on: January 10, 2018, 08:09:55 AM »
  Hey folks, there are days here in the winter when watching utube is as close as one can get to the woods. Came across this lad who has a series of vids. Thought maybe some of you folks might enjoy them as well.   :)

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Re: Farm tractor working in the woods.
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2018, 09:39:31 AM »
Ive been on stay at home daddy doody for a few weeks, lotta youtube and dishes!


Nice vid.  I wonder how they make a pto winch remote controlled.  Must be a big electromagnetic clutch in there. 
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Re: Farm tractor working in the woods.
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2018, 07:09:50 PM »
Interesting video. Never saw woods so clean to work in and get around in. Pretty nice. But made me tired watching him go back and forth between the hitch and the tractor. Thanks for posting.

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Re: Farm tractor working in the woods.
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2018, 07:25:16 PM »
  Hey folks, there are days here in the winter when watching utube is as close as one can get to the woods.

Just think of what you could had done in that half hour.  :D
I bet you were looking for Husquarna videos.
Yeaah , winters are long and sometimes we don't feel like going to the woods. I always tell my wife that there is sooo much information on youtube. :)
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Re: Farm tractor working in the woods.
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2018, 06:27:01 AM »
I am willing to say that I have seen every single cable skidder video, and Diesel engine cold start that is on YouTube.  i love YouTube.  It is an amazing resource,  surely there is some bad stuff, but holy smokes, for a do it yourselfer, hardly a better place to watch someone do something.
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2018, 11:23:59 AM »
I am willing to say that I have seen every single cable skidder video, and Diesel engine cold start that is on YouTube.  i love YouTube.  It is an amazing resource,  surely there is some bad stuff, but holy smokes, for a do it yourselfer, hardly a better place to watch someone do something.

yep, Work fascinates me, I can sit and watch it for hours.  :D  8)  :D
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Re: Farm tractor working in the woods.
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2018, 09:35:23 PM »
 Mike if you have the time,take a gander at this vid. It is the best look at the winch setup. These two machines have a very similar setup so they must believe it to work well. The smaller tractor is 65 hp similar to mine. The lip on the blade is hydraulic and appears to be used for piling.   The larger tractor is about 87 hp and is set up with a double drum.  The remote appears to be a button around his neck and not the box on waist type. It almost sounds like air being blown of when the winch is released.


 
   Gman how did things work out with your mill closure if you dont mind my asking. When our mill closed things were tough. Softwood sales in the winter when firewood sales slumped sure helped.

Well lopet I must confess i have gone back to the huskey as primary saw because of the heated handles. The only issue with the stihl to date is the blade profile is wider. The narrow profile on the huskey works better in the coppice growth. Just less damage to the residuals.

  I think these lads work in Czechoslovakia with their tractors being Zetors and their truck an avia 31. Nice to see that part of the world.   :)
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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2018, 11:05:51 PM »
They seem to get'r done anyways.
Normally they use a small hydraulic cylinder to activate the winch clutch by using the tractors hydraulic system.To apply and release pressure you need a remote controlled electric solenoid to control the oil flow.
For some reason these guys are using a air cylinder at 6.30 and therefore you need compressed air on your tractor.
Don't see why it shoudn't work as many eastern Europe ones have air brakes, but you still need a 12V motor to run the throttle linkage.
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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2018, 11:51:10 AM »
Another good video. That clutch control does look and sound like an air cylinder setup. There was one quick little close up of it.

It went smoother than I thought it would after the local mill closed. Using a local log yard now. Seem like good people to work with. They don't mind little guys at all.  For spruce and fir the min log length is 12' instead of  the 10' at the old mill so there is more overhang on the back of my little one ton but I can still get on 500 BF and steer OK. The trip is all downhill on back roads so no DOT to question me.
The price on white pine at the log yard is disappointing compared to the mill who milled a lot of pine products. The mill was $300 straight through. The log yard is $260 with a max knot of 2" then down to pallet wood at $100. I haven't cut any pine this winter.

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Re: Farm tractor working in the woods.
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2018, 11:15:34 PM »
At 2:30 or so you can see the dual drum unit has an air line going into the center of the drum, which i assume applies against a sealed piston face (like a roadranger splitter piston or auto trans 2nd gear accumulator/servo) to engage the drum. 

One the single drum it almost looked like the air cylinder may have also been pulling the throttle linkage?  Clever if so.

DC air solenoid valves are nothing new but the RC fob control is pretty sweet.  Thanks for sharing, they looked like productive setups.


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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2018, 08:05:46 AM »
  That is the first integration of air in a tractor winch that I have seen. Thought it might have some potential for a home made winch setup for working gullies. I give gullies a by, where there is a gully there is a watershed.  I suspect it will not be long before drones will be used to keep an eye on these areas.
   Good to know Gman that is encouraging. Softwood logs found in our hardwood stands are the best you come across here. Just not found in large enough volumes to pay a landowner what they are worth or be able to cut enough volume to ship off island.
   I like watching these vids to see the similarities and differences.  I use the skidder type bell, for me at least those smaller ones, although bit lighter , are harder on the cable. They do not use nobs on there steering wheel which is something pretty common here. A lot of the lads cutting wear there pants inside their boots. I prefer to so sew the cuffs of an ol sweatshirt on the bottom of the cutter pants and pull them over the outside of the boot. Keeps the sawdust, snow and ticks out. The grunt he makes when he puts the saw back on the tractor ..turns around and sees a limb he missed is exactly the same and both languages appear to have at least one word in common.. :D
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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2018, 10:55:21 AM »
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Re: Farm tractor working in the woods.
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2018, 01:19:14 PM »
Nice video  . I have a 6245 Zetor and they have a air compressor on the back of the injector pump .
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Re: Farm tractor working in the woods.
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2018, 01:38:33 PM »
Musta also been a common truck engine.  Nothin wrong with free air.  I added a york to my international to work the 13speed and exhaust brake.  Use it nearly every day, its the tank thats always full and always with me.
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Re: Farm tractor working in the woods.
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2018, 07:09:07 PM »
   I see our friends from  "across da pond" added this vid today and it sheds some light on the winch set up.  :)


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Re: Farm tractor working in the woods.
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2018, 07:34:20 PM »
Mike, by york, do you mean an ac compressor? I started adding them to pickups with truck tanks mounted to the frame rails back in the 80's.
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Re: Farm tractor working in the woods.
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2018, 10:25:30 PM »
Mike, by york, do you mean an ac compressor? I started adding them to pickups with truck tanks mounted to the frame rails back in the 80's.
Fellow I worked with a few years back, he was younger, mounted an air compressor in a tool box in his pick-up. Then he got two sets of train horns and mounted behind the grill. He could shake the ground around his truck.
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« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2018, 09:39:23 AM »
Yes, york 210 AC compressors.  You buy a $15 napa topend refresh gasket kit, plug a lube passage with a taper pin or set screw etc and mount it up.  The $20 clutchbearing should probably be changed out before you do or itll tear up the friction jive when it lets go.    I machined a baseplate for mine with a standpipe drain and feed line so that my injection pump oil line is teed before the pump.  It sends oil to a 5 micron bypass filter (i dont change oil anymore, just filters and makeup oil) and then into the york crankcase which splash lubes then drains back into the timing case.  It also has engine coolant flowing around the compressor discharge head, and a coolant filter in that loop which i suggest for all diesels.  It does drink a bit of oil that i catch in a big air tank, frothed gray with condensate.  Good for the stump fire and ensures a diet of fresh oil.  No complaints.

The lube flow and coolant may be overkill if its just an occasional air supply but mine runs anytime the truck does. Lotta guys just plug the lube passage and fill em with gear oil.  You can run them off a starter motor for a full electric rig.  I cut out at 100psi but theyll make 250+
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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2018, 09:54:37 AM »
Vid helped, thanks for posting stephen.  If im getting this right, i think the driver side air piston applied a lever to engage a friction device that couples the drum shaft to the pto shaft and reels in.  It also pulls the throttle up via cable.  The passenger side air piston looks like it pushed a lever or wedge to uncouple a sliding dog clutch to freewheel the drum on the shaft.  The DC to air solenoid valves were under the passenger seat and are wired to the main control on the armrest, and to the E stop button on the cab.  The fob reciever is on the back window and wired either into the main box or direct to the valves, i couldnt tell. 

Its sweet.  I want it.   
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« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2018, 03:15:28 PM »
They were not remote controlled, but even back in the 70's we had air dogs and brakes on the winches on our winch trucks, with the hot shift ptos, a guy could set ne up remote controlled now pretty easy these days.
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