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Author Topic: Spessart oak, a possibility for american white oak management?  (Read 1555 times)

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Check out this link:

http://www.woodshopnews.com/news/wood-markets/498758-english-brown-oak-is-a-pricey-alternative

Spessart oak comes from really old, slow grown trees from Germany. They get big prices for it. I'm wondering if it might be something we could do here in the US with some of our white oaks. It does require multi generational dedication to produce. Maybe on long term small portions of family held land.

Just thinkin'

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Re: Spessart oak, a possibility for american white oak management?
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2013, 06:30:18 PM »
Concerning the spessart oak, it sounds like a lot of marketing to me.  I have my doubts about 30-40 rings/inch.

Isn't Pioneer Forest in MO doing something along those lines with white oak?

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Re: Spessart oak, a possibility for american white oak management?
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2013, 06:51:25 PM »
Well, if it is, they make money at it. 8)

another link: http://www.talaricohardwoods.com/popup/spessart.html

Some nice pictures and more info. You can google it and find lots of other stuff.
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Re: Spessart oak, a possibility for american white oak management?
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2013, 06:56:01 PM »
Here is the link for Pioneer Forest, MO:

http://www.pioneerforest.org/pioneer

Sounds like somewhat similar style. The Spessart trees don't get cut until they reach 3-400 years. Pretty neat if you are patient.
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2013, 06:58:37 PM »
  I have my doubts about 30-40 rings/inch.
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I have seen 25-30 rings/inch from virgin white oaks stands in the US in antique furniture. It can be done.
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Re: Spessart oak, a possibility for american white oak management?
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2013, 08:12:07 PM »
The 400 year rotation pretty much makes it impractical from a economic standpoint.

It not just the having to wait 400 years, it's also the loss from not getting the 6 normal harvests, and having that money to re-invest. Compound interest over 350 years etc....

Rimu here in NZ grows on a similar time frame. But the economics of growing it are debatable. It's more if you have an established (old growth) forest that you want to sustainably manage, and preserve, then it's possible. Local guy has ~1000 acres out in the hills. Cuts 3 or 4 trees a year and lifts the wood out by helicopter.

Economically he would be better planting 1,000 acres of pine, harvesting it after 25 years, and repeating the process. But he loves the bush (and it's protected by law anyway), so that's how it works out.

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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2013, 08:32:16 PM »
I'm thinking of dedicating a small part of the stand to producing old growth type timber. That way you would still get normal harvests. Every so often you would get a big paycheck. ;D

The premium for outstanding timber of any type is substantial.
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2013, 08:33:40 PM »
Besides, it's cool. 8) 8) 8)

Be the first one on your block to have virgin-like timber, even if only a little.

Those pileated woodpeckers got to eat too. 8) 8) 8)
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2013, 08:34:26 PM »

Be the first one on your block to have virgin-like timber, even if only a little.


Is that an oxymoron????? ;D
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