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« on: September 16, 2013, 09:05:15 AM »
Ok guys.  I have build things with store bought wood in the past but this time I think I would like to cut my own lumber.  I'm thinking a small manual mill to keep cost down.  Like an LT10 or something similar.   This is for a 1350 sqft house.  There is more to the material list but these three things make up the bulk of the house. 

1000   1x6x8'
200     2x6x8'
80       2x10x16'

The 1x6s will be used where OSB and plywood are usually used (roof deck, subfloor, sheathing).  All my lumber is pine and about 24" in diameter.  I have no idea if it would be more effecient use of wood to make 1x6, 3/4x8, or what?  I don't know. 

Let me know what you think.  All the logs are on site and straight.  If the logs were cut to length, stacked and ready to go, how long would it take to cut the above three things?  I have a little B2620 Kubota to help. 

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Re: best guess on how long to cut material list
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2013, 09:15:52 AM »
On the 1 x 6 you will find that you will be leaving a lot of wood on the edging's. I would go random width, keep it on even numbers, 6,8,10 inches wide. That way you can match the boards together without loosing nearly as much.

As for time, I can't tell you. That would have a lot to do with experience and helpers with a manual mill.
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Re: best guess on how long to cut material list
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2013, 09:20:05 AM »
I would figure a week with my sawmill, but it has hydraulics.  Will an LT10 saw 16'?

Just a reminder about using rough sawn/ungraded framing lumber.  Building permits, loans, insurance, and the builder.  Make sure that everyone is on the same page before any big plans are made.  Some places it matters and some it does not.  Your Architectural drawings need to specify #2 and/or rough sawn.
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2013, 09:28:21 AM »
WH, Yes, great idea.  Of course I should do that!

MM,  So you are saying 40 hours with a hydraulic rig?    Also, I'm the builder, banker and architect!  HA!  Really though, no codes out here but I do keep up with what is code and always exceed it.  I have four kids so what daddy builds is STOUT!  If 24"OC is code, I usually go 16" OC or go up a size on the wood.  I want the buildings I build to be around for my great grandkids. 

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Re: best guess on how long to cut material list
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2013, 09:29:02 AM »
I take it you never sawed before? Ever been around a mill before? I suppose you have a 40 hour week job and family? Will you be cutting the trees down too? Better tell the wife and kids you won't be seeing them for a while.  :D  Probably the way I cut from stump to lumber,would take me 2 months. I don't know. Life gets in the way and slows me down. But if I needed a house to be up and going before snow gets here in my area I would have to do it. You will have a BIG slab pile too. I built a 12X24 building and I had a slab pile 4 feet high by 20 feet long. My mill is on a slight hill so I put down a few thick slabs and made a bridge and walked on the pile to pile the slabs.Your tractor,how many HP is that? Will that be used to get the logs out?
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Re: best guess on how long to cut material list
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2013, 09:34:32 AM »
Austin, your building codes and other info are the same as most of my area.  Saw it and build it.   ;D

Yes I could easily saw that in a week, but not with a manual sawmill.  LINK
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Re: best guess on how long to cut material list
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2013, 09:38:27 AM »
When a customer hands me a list like that, I would start with the 2x10x16 and try and cut those first. If the log or lumber won't make them then I go to the second priority item on the list.
On the way to making 2x10's I'd make boards or the 2x6's.
As mentioned consider making wider widths and using them as well.

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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2013, 10:18:53 AM »
Jim,  Sounds like a plan.  I was thinking that way as well.  Try to make 2x10s and if not, then go on down the list. 

MM,  I am very familiar with your addition.  I don't remember if I posted in the thread or not but really liked all the cedar. 

cfarm,  Nope, never been around a mill.  Never even cut down a large tree.  I built a 26x52 1.5 story house and learned that the lumber only makes up about 20% of a house build.  My problem right now is that money is tight and a sawmill might be the only way to make it work.  The trees are well spaced and can be felled and dragged to the mill without too much trouble.  My mill would be on a hill as well.  I'm planning on using the uphill side to help load the mill.  The tractor is a little 26HP unit.  I don't think I would try to really lift much with it.  More likely use it to pull and drag.  I used it to pull a 30' 1.5' diameter sweat gum the other day and it did just fine.  With that said, the sweatgum had been on the ground for a while and was pretty dry. 

The other part of the equation is that I would like to build other things later.  A mill would be handy to get that done on the cheap. 

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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2013, 10:35:33 AM »
Nothing a matter with a 26hp tractor. We all have to use what we have. You will be REAL busy for a while. Read up on sticking-piling your lumber. May want to use some of the big logs for the 8 footers and then the smaller stuff for the boards. Which would make more sense anyways. More knots in the upper part of the tree.Use those with the knots for roofers and sideboards. I have a manual mill and they are very,very,very slow alone and alot of work and I mean ALOT of work alone. I have no idea if the wife or kids could help some,a friend? I have a friend that helps me. What a difference it makes.And he's never been around a mill,but mine.
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Re: best guess on how long to cut material list
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2013, 11:01:51 AM »
When loading from the uphill side be careful the log does not get too momentum and turn the mill over when it hits.
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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2013, 12:44:42 PM »
I'm just wanting the loading area to be even with the deck of the sawmill so I won't have to go uphill with them.  Maybe a very slight downhill slope.  Anymore than that would be a little risky. 

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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2013, 03:31:41 PM »
Not sure on the exact size of your house, but just some rough figuring I did, I would add to your 1x6 figure, there will be soffits to figure, and some miscellaneous trimming.  In addition you will end up needing some 1x4's as well. I'm kinda thinking you will end up in the 10,000 bd/ft range of sawn lumber when all said and done,  there will be waste to consider as well, plus you will need to sticker stack for sure, this kind of project will require some 4x4's too.  Sounds like fun to me, just lots of planning, hope it all goes well for you, perfect time of the year to take on this kind of Job.    david   And I forgot to answer the main question, at close to 8000 bd/ft  hydraulic mill with helpers, and a good set up for stacking, 5 days, manual mill, I have no idea,
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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2013, 03:43:18 PM »
David,

So you are saying 40 hours with a hydraulic mill? Oh boy.   That means at LEAST 80 hours with a manual mill.  I'm guessing.  I can get maybe 5 hours a day on the weekends.  That means two months of weekends.  UGGG! 

Anybody else with an estimate on hours?

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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2013, 05:17:02 PM »
Cutting the trees and limbing them out will take some time too.  ;D Also have a plan on stacking your lumber too. All that lumber is going to take some room. And the more you cut the father away the piles will be too.
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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2013, 05:27:15 PM »
No doubt this is a project, one that needs some good figuring, if minimal money is to be spent.  I would love to be part of it, not really an option but saying this for the sake of a very doable chore, just one that needs logistics, in the full sense of the word.  Good figures are critical for about any endeavor, as well as working out the details as far as moving away slabs and waste, there will no doubt be some room required for the lumber stock.  As I said a very doable task, just one that will need some planning.     david
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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2013, 07:30:03 PM »
Just to throw in my 2 cents...
We had a fully manual LT25, a guy who makes his loving as a sawyer, my 60 year old dad, and myself, and we could cut about 1000 FBM in a 10 hour day. That's with 2 55+HP tractors to do the dragging, lifting, cross-hauling, pile moving, etc.
With just dad and I, cut that number in half...

What you're wanting to do is a noble endeavor, and it isn't insurmountable, but o hope you've got some friends, and I hope that none of you are afraid of work! :)

Btw, he didn't do much work with the LT25. He has 2 LT40s. The little one was local, though, and the others were over in Louisiana.
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Re: best guess on how long to cut material list
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2013, 07:39:22 PM »
What you are thinking is do able but here is another thought. Why don't you just hire a good sawyer so you can concentrate on the other things. They would also be able to coach you some on the stacking. ;)
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« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2013, 07:45:03 PM »
Why don't you just hire a good sawyer so you can concentrate on the other things. They would also be able to coach you some on the stacking. ;)

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« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2013, 07:50:16 PM »
Not with the work I have in front of me.
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« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2013, 08:19:09 PM »
Aw shucks guys.  330 miles and I could be there in about 7 hours or so.   :)
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