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Re: New customer, fired customer.
« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2015, 09:04:10 AM »
  The issue in the OP was not if Customsawyer's blade maintenance equipment was capable of re-profiling the blades. More as, it was not cost- effective labor wise to do so versus the cost of a new blade. By them time the blade was re-profiled, the over all width would be too narrow and this also equates to the loss of tooth heat treatment. These factors would negate the re-profiling of these hand sharpened blades.
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Re: New customer, fired customer.
« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2015, 02:24:56 PM »
Seems to me it boils down to this:  If you can sharpen your bands with a hand held tool, that's good.  If it is as good as new or better, that's great, but if it turns out that you find out that you have bands that are now messed up, either fix them on your own or throw them away, because not many people are going to take on fixing your mistakes.  That's just my take on it your results may differ.  ;)  Banjo
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Re: New customer, fired customer.
« Reply #42 on: November 07, 2015, 07:07:18 PM »
Seems to me it boils down to this:  If you can sharpen your bands with a hand held tool, that's good.  If it is as good as new or better, that's great, but if it turns out that you find out that you have bands that are now messed up, either fix them on your own or throw them away, because not many people are going to take on fixing your mistakes.  That's just my take on it your results may differ.  ;)  Banjo

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Re: New customer, fired customer.
« Reply #43 on: November 07, 2015, 07:42:51 PM »
I have to sharpen hundreds of blades per year, I don't sharpen them myself, I send them to Woodmizer in NY. What I don't understand is why so many of you would waste time sharpening when it only cost about 9.00 a blade to have them sharpened. I don't know how long it takes to sharpen one but if it takes 30 minutes are you guys making 18 dollars an hour? I just can't see how it would possibly be worth it. Add to that sharpening them without the proper equipment? I really don't get it.
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Re: New customer, fired customer.
« Reply #44 on: November 07, 2015, 08:12:49 PM »
While I will never come out on it, I still intend to buy someone's sharpening and setting system eventually, whether new or used.   I just plain like doing blades.  I like boards that are smooth, right off the mill.

I just bought another stripped down travel trailer frame from Craigslist.  The plan is to make a mobile tool shed that can travel with the mill, even if I never go mobile again.  I have no covered space for a sharpener setup, so there's the plan.  I bought a brand new Folley Bellsaw SharpAll for a killer price last year (again Craigslist), and I can put that in there as well and grind my buzz saw blades too. It's not yet been out of the box.  I just love to sharpen all kinds of things. 

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Re: New customer, fired customer.
« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2015, 08:45:31 PM »
I have to sharpen hundreds of blades per year, I don't sharpen them myself, I send them to Woodmizer in NY. What I don't understand is why so many of you would waste time sharpening when it only cost about 9.00 a blade to have them sharpened. I don't know how long it takes to sharpen one but if it takes 30 minutes are you guys making 18 dollars an hour? I just can't see how it would possibly be worth it. Add to that sharpening them without the proper equipment? I really don't get it.

I have to agree with this.
I know its fun trying new ways to do things such as sharpening blades.
And for you guys that sharpen your own blades, I'm sure you have a very good reason and I respect your choice.
When it comes to me, my faith is in the resharp program with Woodmizer.
I don't worry about hook, set, angles, cracks, shipping or any of that stuff. My time is to valuable to worry about blades.
I can depend on WM to have me sharp blades all the time...and thanks to their resharp program, I make more money and have more family time.  :)
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Re: New customer, fired customer.
« Reply #46 on: November 07, 2015, 08:52:24 PM »
I have to sharpen hundreds of blades per year, I don't sharpen them myself, I send them to Woodmizer in NY. What I don't understand is why so many of you would waste time sharpening when it only cost about 9.00 a blade to have them sharpened. I don't know how long it takes to sharpen one but if it takes 30 minutes are you guys making 18 dollars an hour? I just can't see how it would possibly be worth it. Add to that sharpening them without the proper equipment? I really don't get it.
I make about $20 an hour & have to drive an hour & a half to get there. I hear it takes about 10 minutes a blade so yeah it would be worth my time. Besides that I like to stay as independent as I can. Also have you ever heard a penny saved is a dollar earned? Saving money is easier then having to go out & get another one. However if you can make it faster then you can spend it then by all means.

I've seen sawers that say they won't mess with having blades resharpened. That the wood they cut is to expensive to take the chance with them & it isn't cost effective for them to take the time to mess with them.

So to each there own. Everyone has to decide what is best for them.
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Re: New customer, fired customer.
« Reply #47 on: November 07, 2015, 08:59:21 PM »
I have to sharpen hundreds of blades per year, I don't sharpen them myself, I send them to Woodmizer in NY. What I don't understand is why so many of you would waste time sharpening when it only cost about 9.00 a blade to have them sharpened. I don't know how long it takes to sharpen one but if it takes 30 minutes are you guys making 18 dollars an hour? I just can't see how it would possibly be worth it. Add to that sharpening them without the proper equipment? I really don't get it.
I make about $20 an hour & have to drive an hour & a half to get there. I hear it takes about 10 minutes a blade so yeah it would be worth my time. Besides that I like to stay as independent as I can. Also have you ever heard a penny saved is a dollar earned? Saving money is easier then having to go out & get another one. However if you can make it faster then you can spend it then by all means.

I've seen sawers that say they won't mess with having blades resharpened. That the wood they cut is to expensive to take the chance with them & it isn't cost effective for them to take the time to mess with them.

So to each there own. Everyone has to decide what is best for them.

I understand what you're sayin but a piece of equipment that cost 30-40 thousand demands a certain wage. 20.00 per hour does not pay for a sawmill business. I quit doing custom saws because the work wasn't consistent. I found out what was needed in the wholesale lumber market and went there.
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Re: New customer, fired customer.
« Reply #48 on: November 07, 2015, 09:44:32 PM »
But when you're retired X2, and old, and your mill doesn't owe you anything, it's a good thing to be able to do your own blades!  ;)

Takes me about 10-15 minutes to set a blade, then about 4-5 minutes to run it around the sharpener!

Now, don't get me wrong, a resharp service is a wonderful service to have available, and if you're really busy sawing, it makes sence to use it!

Where abouts are you located, Cazzhrdwd?

With your username, sounds like somewhere near Cazenovia!
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« Reply #49 on: November 07, 2015, 09:51:33 PM »
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I don't have any of the sharpening equipment. If I try it then it would be by other means then the fancy sharpeners that I've seen. I also don't do this as a business. I just saw for myself to save money on lumber.

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« Reply #50 on: November 07, 2015, 09:52:07 PM »
Good point Chuck.  :)
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Re: New customer, fired customer.
« Reply #51 on: November 07, 2015, 09:54:04 PM »
It is a personal choice what to do with your time.  For me, it is not about the money spent or saved, but rather what I choose to do with my time when I am not sawing.  It DanG sure ain't sharpening.   ;D
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« Reply #52 on: November 07, 2015, 11:15:31 PM »


Where abouts are you located, Cazzhrdwd?



The miserable BLUE state of Maryland.
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« Reply #53 on: November 07, 2015, 11:16:39 PM »


Now, don't get me wrong, a resharp service is a wonderful service to have available, and if you're really busy sawing, it makes sence to use it!



Agreed.
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« Reply #54 on: November 07, 2015, 11:19:18 PM »
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I don't have any of the sharpening equipment. If I try it then it would be by other means then the fancy sharpeners that I've seen. I also don't do this as a business. I just saw for myself to save money on lumber.

You'll be surprised at how quickly it grows, we truly have the best job a man can have, besides being a race car driver. :) seems that would be just a bit more fun.
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Re: New customer, fired customer.
« Reply #55 on: November 08, 2015, 12:09:51 AM »
Time is exactly  why I sharpen my own blades. I don't have time to take my blades off and put another on.
I don't have time to box them up. I don't have time to run them to the post office.
I just grab my dermel and sit on the saw for a few min. and I'm done. Very fast and cheap.

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Re: New customer, fired customer.
« Reply #56 on: November 08, 2015, 04:47:34 AM »
Just had the same thing funnily enough, local guy rang me up and was asking how many resharps I get before breaking.
15 or so and I never break them, they end up to thin and we toss them was my reply.. (1 1/2 bands)

Turns out they get 5 max and the bands have multiple cracks by them...
He bought one around and the drag style grinder wasn't cleaning out the gullet, so I would think it would be effecting saw performance and B was just crack material waiting to happen..
This is more operator fault or setup that the style of grinder/grinding....

8 passes around the CBM grinder it looked like a WM 10deg band again...
Was easy to figure out it wasn't economic to reset his ones from my side as the CBN wheel wear wouldn't have been good along side the time to let them run...

Do I think his resharpens were cheap - yes, do I think they are cost effective - NO!!
In NZ we don't have a resharp service or anything close to it, so its a must to do it yourself or have someone near by.

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Re: New customer, fired customer.
« Reply #57 on: November 08, 2015, 07:46:15 AM »
I can sharpen a box of 10 in an hr. That's making over $100.00 an hr. and I can push the set where I want it. :) 
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« Reply #58 on: November 08, 2015, 08:06:08 AM »
And when Peter sharpens that box of 10 five times each he has saved himself $500.00.  Do that for 3 boxes of blades and he could pay for a pretty decent machine.  I am not hardly as quick as he is, but the math is the same.   ;)  Banjo
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« Reply #59 on: November 08, 2015, 08:15:48 AM »
And when Peter sharpens that box of 10 five times each he has saved himself $500.00.  Do that for 3 boxes of blades and he could pay for a pretty decent machine.  I am not hardly as quick as he is, but the math is the same.   ;)  Banjo


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