New pickup shopping.

[K-Guy]

@hedgerow 

If you're looking at trucks with similar equipment, look at the price out the door. MSRP's could be different enough that one with less cash off is still cheaper. Also buy at the end of the month, if they haven't met this months quota they may give a bit better price. 

I grew up on a car lot.

[YellowHammer]

I had a 2003 Chevy diesel and it was the best truck I ever owned in terms of power, comfort, suspension, and mileage.

I then traded it in and got a new at the time 2013 Chevy diesel and got was the best truck I ever owned.  I still have it and tow max capacity DOT scaled loads with it.  

I now own a 2021 Ford diesel and it is the best truck I've ever owned, by far.  More power, better suspension, better brakes, better everything including cab room.  22 mpg in eco mode.  I recently experimented in terms of maxing out the 2013 Chevy and the 2021 Ford with rated both bumper pull and gooseneck loads, went across scales to weigh them, and drove them on the Interstate and the back country roads to see if there was much difference.  There was.  it wasn't even close.  Bottom line, 2021 Ford was a much better towing vehicle than the 2013.  The suspension was much better, power was much better, braking, everything was better.  Apples to apples, and I wish I had filmed it after watching the YouTube video Walnut put up.  Even the horn in the Ford is better, it sounds like a foghorn, when a lady was driving down the centerline reading her cell phone, the Ford horn penetrated her closed windows, and made her look up before we collided.  Scary, and I credit that one to the Ford horn.  

I recently towed a 10,000 bumper pull load 16 hours round trip, and the truck pulled it like my old 2003 used to pull my bass boat.  The towing capability is amazing and as I'm looking at transmission and engine temps, the 2013 would start to heat up on some really long hills, and the 2021 barely even bothers to downshift and the engine and transmission temps are stable.  I'm glad, because I ordered a new Ford 2023 to replace my Chevy 2013 and hopefully it will be in sometime this decade.

I also get Ford points, which is enough for me to get my oil and fuel filter changes for free, in my driveway, by the Ford service truck.  All I have to do is call up, make an appointment, and hang up.  They also take care of most recall issues at the same time.

[barbender]

I don't really belong on this thread, because I don't know if I'll ever have the dough for a new truck. Trying to hunt down used ones, one thing that makes me leary of Chevy and Ford's newer diesels is the CP4 injection pump, which has a documented history of catastrophic failure. Not as much of a concern on a new truck with warranty (although if it happened in the middle of our family vacation pulling the camper out West, it would put us in a pickle either way), but on the what are now considered low mile rigs with 100k on them, it is a real concern. I would not want to be digging myself out of a $10k fuel system failure out on the road!

[Tom K]

  Bottom line, 2021 Ford was a much better towing vehicle than the 2013.  The suspension was much better, power was much better, braking, everything was better.  Apples to apples

You comparing a 10 year old 150k mile truck to a 2 year old 30k mile truck way more then Ford vs Chevy. You could substitute any of the big 3’s 10 year old truck vs any 2 year old truck and you would see the same results, the newer truck would win hands down. 
Fact of the matter is any 3 comparably equipped new trucks will be about the same performance wise, the difference being personal preference and creature comforts. 
You want a true apples to apples, wait till your ‘24 Ford comes in and get a new comparably equipped Ram and GM and then compare. 

[Southside]

Hey, who makes the best two cycle oil and what mix works best? 

[firefighter ontheside]

@barbender I have 89,000 miles on my 2017 Ford diesel.  I am considering installing what they call a disaster prevention kit.  Essentially it is a downstream filter to catch debris if the CP4 goes south.  My mechanic said the issue is caused by the lower lubricity of ULSD and if you commonly add additive to your fuel you should be fine.  I used to be good about adding stuff to my fuel like Stanadyne, but the longer I have had diesels the less I have done it.  I will probably take my truck in for fuel filters when I hit 90 and have them install the kit.

[barbender]

I was considering a used Ford with a 6.7 (no 6.0 or 6.4) so I was doing some reading to see any possible issues. I saw those disaster prevention kits, and I did follow some of the discussions on the ULSD issue. The problem is, these were supposed to be designed to run on ULSD. I hope there is a class action lawsuit so that all of the people that had their pump grenade get compensated. My understanding is that the Dodge Cummins is still running the CP3, except for a short sting in 2018 Iirc where they tried the CP4.

[YellowHammer]

Actually, I wasn't comparing brands, I really think there is much difference between them, especially now.  The Fords do seem to have more cab room. 

What I am doing is tracing the evolutionary increase in capability and reliability throughout the last 20 years as being unmistakably improved in the later model trucks of any brand.  I have seen this from personal experience and wanted to make the point.  

Things I thought I would never want but now love?
Bumper hitch backup camera with zoom and night vision.
Gooseneck bed camera.
Blind spot cameras
Super loud horns.
Eco mode
Satellite radio
Hands free calling and cell phone connectivity
High speed cab heaters and defrosters
Big electronic display for viewing maps and navigation.
Super comfortable seats with lumbar support. 

[Walnut Beast]

Yellowhammer glad to hear your likes on several of the items you listed. I was wondering about several of them. Look forward to seeing some pictures of your new one when it comes in. 

[Ianab]

One "feature" I don't like about my car is the electric seat position adjust. Lil isn't quite as tall as me, so has to adjust the seat. Push the lever and slowly winds forward or back....  Her later model car has the old latch and slide adjust. The lumbar / seat height and rake you can adjust electrically as well, but if it's a 5 min drive you don't bother. Hey it's a little thing, but I swing into my car with my knees jammed on the dash, and have to whir-whir-whir myself back. 

Adaptive cruise control is the only useful one, especially locally, where only 2 lane roads, corners and slower traffic. Without the radar it would be useless. 

Climate control? Nice to have. I want the car to be 23C?  It will turn on the heat or AC as needed. I don't even change it from Summer to Winter. 

A lot of that stuff might be considered "fluff", we didn't grow up with that and survived. But once you use it for a while, hey it's good, apart from that electric seat adjust thing   More expensive cars adjust the seat depending on who unlocks the door, but I can't afford those. Lil's car does change the radio station depending on who's key unlocked it though. j

[YellowHammer]

One of the things I am really dubious will work but excited if it will, is the addition of a new bed scales in the new 2023 Ford.  The taillights will act like a lighted bar graph as the load gets to capacity, and the actual weight will be displayed in the truck display (supposedly)... 

Where it would be especially useful is loading logs or even a skid steer or tractor on a trailer, and no more having to guess tongue weight or even weight distribution.  As I drive the piece of equipment onto the trailer, the taillights of the truck will blink in such a way to tell me the bed or hitch weight and whether to move forward or backward on the trailer.   As the weight goes up or down on the hitch, the more bars in the LEDS taillights will blink and will be visible from the cab of the piece of equipment I'm loading.  I've always been jealous of semi drivers with on board scales to limit over loading, especially logs, or to get proper weight distribution, and now that option is being offered on pickups.

[Walnut Beast]

That sounds pretty cool YH! For everyone wondering what a top of the line truck sticked for in 2012

 

[21incher]

One "feature" I don't like about my car is the electric seat position adjust. Lil isn't quite as tall as me, so has to adjust the seat. Push the lever and slowly winds forward or back....  Her later model car has the old latch and slide adjust. The lumbar / seat height and rake you can adjust electrically as well, but if it's a 5 min drive you don't bother. Hey it's a little thing, but I swing into my car with my knees jammed on the dash, and have to whir-whir-whir myself back.

Adaptive cruise control is the only useful one, especially locally, where only 2 lane roads, corners and slower traffic. Without the radar it would be useless.

Climate control? Nice to have. I want the car to be 23C?  It will turn on the heat or AC as needed. I don't even change it from Summer to Winter.

A lot of that stuff might be considered "fluff", we didn't grow up with that and survived. But once you use it for a while, hey it's good, apart from that electric seat adjust thing (Image hidden from quote, click to view.)  More expensive cars adjust the seat depending on who unlocks the door, but I can't afford those. Lil's car does change the radio station depending on who's key unlocked it though. j

In our vehicles those adjustments are automatically made in the Subaru it reads your eyeballs and adjusts the seat, radio station, climate present  automatically.  The Ranger doesn't adjust the seat but other presets I think based on the fob. 

[gspren]

I remember when I was leary of fancy things like electric windows and door locks, now I want a bunch of the things I once thought of as gadgets. I enjoy a new vehicle every few years.

[Walnut Beast]

For anybody on the fence about getting a new one or new used one you might as well do it because you won’t be able to enjoy it six feet under 

[stavebuyer]

Not sure you really need a truck once you have been planted

[Bruno of NH]

I don't really belong on this thread, because I don't know if I'll ever have the dough for a new truck. Trying to hunt down used ones, one thing that makes me leary of Chevy and Ford's newer diesels is the CP4 injection pump, which has a documented history of catastrophic failure. Not as much of a concern on a new truck with warranty (although if it happened in the middle of our family vacation pulling the camper out West, it would put us in a pickle either way), but on the what are now considered low mile rigs with 100k on them, it is a real concern. I would not want to be digging myself out of a $10k fuel system failure out on the road!

I have seen 3 u tubes that ford won't cover the pump
They say bad fuel 
All trucks had under 10,000 miles

[firefighter ontheside]

No doubt the pump should be made to be able to handle the fuel that has to go thru it.  I hadn't heard of the eco mode on the new trucks.  I will have to look into that.  Not that a new truck is anywhere in my near future.  I only have 89,000 miles on my 2017.

[rusticretreater]

I have seen 3 u tubes that ford won't cover the pump They say bad fuel  All trucks had under 10,000 miles

I guess they figure their trucks cost so much that you can't afford to be a repeat buyer, so product loyalty and service is not a concern.

Dodge all the way my friends.

[YellowHammer]

That is interesting, I’ll have to look into that.  What kind of fuel was it for Ford to make that determination?  What was their side of the story? Was it farm diesel? Around here many “no name” stations have lots of water and filth in their fuel and I’ve been a victim of it myself.  Some get sued, some get tickets, some get away with it.  I now only fill up at name brand stations, change both upper and lower filters every couple oil changes and of course keep the receipts even though the price is a little higher.    

If ford won’t cover it under warranty then I would suspect it might be covered under insurance.  I’ll ask my agent.  I know when I once put gasoline in my diesel truck and was facing $10,000 of repairs possibly, and my insurance said they would cover it, no problem.