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Low Cost Chinese Laser Engraver For Marking Wood Projects
« on: January 14, 2020, 12:56:27 PM »
I was looking for one of the branding Irons to mark my projects with but having one custom made was quite expensive. I found this 15 watt laser engraver on a Chinese site GearBest for $165 and decided to try it. I see several members have very expensive CO2 lasers but haven't seen a post about these low cost laser diode units so I figured I would share my thoughts. It only can do  6 x 6 area and has zero safety features but does a decent job. It can just be set on larger projects for marking also. I am looking for laser rated plastic to make a shield to drop over it so I don't go blind next.


 

Here is a video link to first use and setup
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Re: Low Cost Chinese Laser Engraver For Marking Wood Projects
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2020, 01:03:59 PM »
Nifty.  Certainly more flexible than a branding iron!
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Re: Low Cost Chinese Laser Engraver For Marking Wood Projects
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2020, 02:19:16 AM »
Certainly cheaper than the $32k I paid for my Epilog almost 20 years ago. But then it still runs like the day I bought it.

As a Sawmill, go buy some paper or adhesive backed maple veneer, and use it to engrave and cut a wooden business card. They look slick and your customers typically don't throw them away because they are unique.
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Re: Low Cost Chinese Laser Engraver For Marking Wood Projects
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2020, 07:30:07 AM »
I like it. Since you have to heat up the branding iron, probably not much difference in time to burn your image. I went to get some cutting boards laser engraved with my logo, they wanted $250 for set up and engraving 6 boards. 
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Re: Low Cost Chinese Laser Engraver For Marking Wood Projects
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2020, 11:01:31 AM »
 I went to get some cutting boards laser engraved with my logo, they wanted $250 for set up and engraving 6 boards.

Gotta pay for that expensive equipment!   :o  :)

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Re: Low Cost Chinese Laser Engraver For Marking Wood Projects
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2020, 12:46:25 PM »
That is pretty slick.  I was looking at a x-y table one that was a mini-engraver and you could slap a 2500mw laser on it,too.  It is only $199 on Gearbest - the C10 Alfawise.  But, I like the idea of the open bottom for use on bigger projects.  I didn't really have a use for the rotary engraver and not sure how well it would work, anyhow.  I think I'll be ordering this one.  I got an Ender 3d printer so I'd be able to build stuff up and burn it down ;)

edit: Price went up - $175.99 and $7.87 priority shipping - good for the next 4 days.
edit: If order is over $150, then $10 discount.  So, with shipping and insurance, $178.95 out the door.  Delivery between the 17th and the 20th.
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Re: Low Cost Chinese Laser Engraver For Marking Wood Projects
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2020, 12:50:14 PM »
I like it. Since you have to heat up the branding iron, probably not much difference in time to burn your image. I went to get some cutting boards laser engraved with my logo, they wanted $250 for set up and engraving 6 boards.

The guy was probably trying to pay off his $32000,00 laser 😉. I was looking at almost $400 for a branding iron so decided to try this first. Not sure how long it will last but it is easy to customize each piece. Manufacturer says the laser can last up to 8000 hours but up to doesn't give a minimum.  played with my phone and a otg cable today and was able to run it with a code loader app. Not sure how small the text can go yet either but will soon find out. It's not a powerful co2 laser with high speed movements but it sure is a fun learning tool.🚪.
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2020, 12:54:55 PM »
That is pretty slick.  I was looking at a x-y table one that was a mini-engraver and you could slap a 2500mw laser on it,too.  It is only $199 on Gearbest - the C10 Alfawise.  But, I like the idea of the open bottom for use on bigger projects.  I didn't really have a use for the rotary engraver and not sure how well it would work, anyhow.  I think I'll be ordering this one.  I got an Ender 3d printer so I'd be able to build stuff up and burn it down ;)

I have seen others make a rotary for it with a couple bearings and a rubber band to spin it. It's definitely a fun starting point.

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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2020, 01:37:23 PM »
edit: Price went up - $175.99 and $7.87 priority shipping - good for the next 4 days.
edit: If order is over $150, then $10 discount.  So, with shipping and insurance, $178.95 out the door.  Delivery between the 17th and the 20th.

That's abou what I paid. $165 plus $3.87 shipping from the Hong Kong warehouse.  Funny thing is I just got a email from gearbest and they want to send me other lasers to try. Their prices seem to fluctuate plus you get store credit after it's delivered.
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Re: Low Cost Chinese Laser Engraver For Marking Wood Projects
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2020, 04:51:22 PM »
I share your concern about eye safety.  Is it the direct (and cleanly reflected) beam that is the danger or anything that is lit with the beam?  That will determine what type of shielding is necessary.  What wavelength is used on your laser?  I want to do a Google or Amazon search for some plastic.  I also have a fairly well stocked plastic fabricating house near me.  I'll probably give them a call when I know what I'm looking for.
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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2020, 04:58:30 PM »
That is pretty slick.  I was looking at a x-y table one that was a mini-engraver and you could slap a 2500mw laser on it,too.  It is only $199 on Gearbest - the C10 Alfawise.  But, I like the idea of the open bottom for use on bigger projects.  I didn't really have a use for the rotary engraver and not sure how well it would work, anyhow.  I think I'll be ordering this one.  I got an Ender 3d printer so I'd be able to build stuff up and burn it down ;)

I have seen others make a rotary for it with a couple bearings and a rubber band to spin it. It's definitely a fun starting point.
By "rotary", I mean a mini-router like tool.  Not shaping a cylinder shaped object.  Just to be clear...
But, looking at their "rotary upgrade" for labeling soda cans and such, it looks to have a stepper motor.  I think you would take the Y-axis stepper connector and plug it into that.  The trick would be to adjust the rotation (with belt and pulleys?) to have the right surface travel that the code is expecting.  I've got a drawer full of steppers from floppy and hard drives.  Could be some fun ahead.
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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2020, 08:56:28 AM »
For many years my method of "branding", i.e., personalizing my work has been to use my wood burning pen and the mark I learned in 7th grade, Jr high school art class, about 1956, when a man/teacher named Royce Fleming had us all develop our own monogram for our work.
(Looking back he was the first gay man I was around, but then we knew not much about such things.)
  Using a florish of sorts, meaning angled, cursive style, mine consists of the first letter of my last name, superimposed over the first letter of my first name with the year I made the item nearby. No lasers needed!!! No branding irons needed!!! At times I name the wood if it's unusual or came from a certain special place. Always done in a corner niche or special spot not easily seen but yet noticeable.
If I was in wood for a living I'd use hang tags, etc., with addresses and my monogram.
Kan=Kansas;tuck=Kentucky;kid=what I'm not

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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2020, 03:42:10 PM »
I share your concern about eye safety.  Is it the direct (and cleanly reflected) beam that is the danger or anything that is lit with the beam?  That will determine what type of shielding is necessary.  What wavelength is used on your laser?  I want to do a Google or Amazon search for some plastic.  I also have a fairly well stocked plastic fabricating house near me.  I'll probably give them a call when I know what I'm looking for.

It's 445 nm and from what I have read so far orange seems to absorb the spectrum best but plastic sellers don't spectrum analyze what they sell so that pushes the price up when it's checked. Another thing I read is don't try to engrave any reflective surface because it will send the beam back and burn up the laser. Metal must be coated with a non reflective coating such as the marker they supply.  laser grbl is very easy to change the settings so you could just change the steps per mm to match the od of your part with a stepper rotary as you suggest.  I see a lot of pen makers using the rubber band method that also seems to work good. It's turning into another fun rabbit hole to go down 🐇.
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« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2020, 01:17:46 PM »
I just checked their site and no more shipping to US

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Re: Low Cost Chinese Laser Engraver For Marking Wood Projects
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2020, 01:49:48 PM »
Slick!

Don't take this as gospel, but about any plexiglass structure should do.  That's what we used for a massive 248 nm laser back in college.  Anything you can't see through would also work, then add a plexi lid.  

Similar bass versus treble at the neighbors party...  Doesn't take much to stop high frequency.
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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2020, 03:03:46 PM »
I just ordered a 12x12 sheet of orange plexi from JtechPhotonics.  On sale at $16.99 + shipping came to $29.99.  Says its good from 250 to 520 nm so I should be covered.
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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2020, 03:18:23 PM »
Can you run these type of units from a smart phone 
I don't have a computer?
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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2020, 04:29:22 PM »
I just checked their site and no more shipping to US

They gave me a link that I put in the description on Youtube and it's available there. Next week Chinese New Year starts and from what I was told everything shuts down for 2 weeks. I just found out there's a larger model with the same laser coming out in March.

Slick!

Don't take this as gospel, but about any plexiglass structure should do.  That's what we used for a massive 248 nm laser back in college.  Anything you can't see through would also work, then add a plexi lid.  

Similar bass versus treble at the neighbors party...  Doesn't take much to stop high frequency.

That's what I read. Any orange plastic should work but it pays not to take chances.

Can you run these type of units from a smart phone
I don't have a computer?


I just ran it from a grbl controller app on my tablet with a OTG cable so it will work but you need a computer to generate the artwork and gcode. It's a proprietary arduino and I can't figure out how to add Bluetooth to it. I bet a future version has Bluetooth.
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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2020, 09:47:30 PM »
Hang on guys. I am just jumping in because this is a safety issue and I am not sure where your info is coming from, but I have to add something here. Years ago as part of my job i had to purchase, install, and design and build an interlocked safety enclosure for a production engraving laser and get the laser permits our state requires. 
 Any lexan or plexi is NOT acceptable. Any colored stuff is also not acceptable unless is it tested and rated for the wavelength of your laser. There is a reason the glasses are in different colors and it is not a fashion statement. ;D It is to match the laser wavelength.
 This stuff is sold by the square foot and it not crazy expensive, nor is it cheap. I used this company for my supplies.
 Now understanding that you guys are using pretty low power lasers, you can probably get away with less, just don't look at the laser cut for more than a glance. At least get glasses. Also, don't breath that smoke. 
 I've been enjoying this thread and may consider one myself for logo work down the road. 
 I just wanted you all to know that you have to be careful with what you read on other sites and word of mouth.
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« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2020, 01:54:56 AM »
I used this company for my supplies.
I just took a look and found one interesting oxymoron.  In the "laser window" section, they offer a plastic that blocks IR, UV and Visible light.  So it is shown as black.  Not sure what value that has as a "window".;)
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