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DH Kiln Schedule 8/4 Walnut

Started by GBar, July 04, 2025, 12:27:37 AM

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GBar

Looking for input and suggestions on what folks use for DH style kiln schedules for 8/4 Walnut.
 
I have researched FPL-118 (dtd 2000) traditional steam schedules and the reference on page 95 stating that DH schedules use the same MC steps and RH values, but only the temperatures are lower for a DH kiln.  Nyle publishes DH schedule also, but are much more conservative.
 
I have just passed the 25% MC step.  In the L53 and L200 manuals, it has 25% MC to Final step as 120 DB/98 WB (or 45% RH).  This equates to an EMC of 7.5.  Another Nyle publication for the higher temp Kilns have a schedule that nearly matches what is in FPL-118.  That 25% step is 130 DB/80 WB (or 10.3 RH) which calculates to 2.0 EMC. very aggressive. 
 
After hitting 30 MC, I set DB to 115 degrees and the RH to 50% (DB/WB=115/96).
At 25 MC, I set 117 and 42 RH  (DB/WB=117/94). This is more aggressive than the Nyle DH schedule,  but I'm only seeing 1% to 1/2% MC loss per day.  Max drying rate on 8/4 walnut is 3.3% MC per day.
Therefore, today I set 120 and lowered RH to 28  (DB/WB=120/88).
 
I know this is more of an art than science. Very interested in folks personal derived schedules and experience with 8/4 walnut.  Also doing 5/4 & 8/4 upland white oak next...if you have schedules for that.
 

scsmith42

Just an FYI but 8/4 black walnut has a reputation for stalling out when it's around 25% - 30% MC. 

If your MC% readings are taken at the core of the boards, then the good news is that once you are below 25% MC it's all but impossible to damage the lumber by drying too quickly.

At this drying stage my L200 is set for 120F and 40% RH.  I keep track of both core and shell MC%.  

Towards the end of the kiln run if the RH% inside the kiln drops below 35%, I use a high pressure fogger to add humidity to keep it there, so as to minimize the delta between core and shell MC%.

Peterson 10" WPF with 65' of track
Smith - Gallagher dedicated slabber
Tom's 3638D Baker band mill
and a mix of log handling heavy equipment.

GBar

Thanks for the tips.  I know my Brisket stalls at 160, but was not aware my black walnut would stall.
Attached is my kiln log showing the numbers.  it is below 25% MC currently.

I used Lignomat PK probes.  they are at the center of the 8/4.  There is some 6/4 in the load as well...those are the last 4 probe sets.  6/4 was sawn previously and air dried for almost a year.  so it started in kiln at 15 to 17 MC.

The log number are averages from the data logger.  The current temp range is 114 to 122 based on Dehumidifier cycling.  RH is ranging 25.4% to 39 percent based on temp swings.  The cycles of DH on/off are 16 min on and 22 min off, based on the high or low triggers.


scsmith42

Looks like you're losing around 1/2% MC per day in the core.  You can try to speed it up by increasing the temp but personally I tend to take a conservative approach and would probably keep things about where they are.
Peterson 10" WPF with 65' of track
Smith - Gallagher dedicated slabber
Tom's 3638D Baker band mill
and a mix of log handling heavy equipment.

K-Guy


The DH schedules for the L200 and L53 are at a 120 max due to the refrigerant pressures, if they get to high you pop the high pressure switch trips it off to protect the compressor. Our bigger kilns are built to operate at temps up to 160.
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blackhawk

I think that you are pretty good at 120F and 28% RH.  That is right at a 5% EMC.  The FPL-118 has the schedule for 8/4 walnut go down to 4% EMC once the lumber hits 25%.  That is a little aggressive for me though.  I usually never set my kiln EMC below 5%.  I usually run 8/4 walnut at 120F and 30% RH at this point.  You are doing the right thing by monitoring the moisture loss per day.
Lucas 7-23 with slabber. Nyle L53 kiln. Shopbot CNC 48x96

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