truck carry capacities

maple flats · September 19, 2011, 08:00:19 PM

I am shopping for a new to me truck for hauling sap. Test drove 2 today, both 05 Fords. An F250 4x4 diesel ext. cab. Tag says 10,000# MGVW, rear ax 6100 max, anyone know the unladen weight on rear? Also F350 4x4, diesel, ext.cab. Tag says 11700 MGVW, and 7000# max on rear ax. Anyone know unladen weight on this one? I'm trying to calculate how much sap tank I can carry. I think after 1 year either one would have a gooseneck equipment trailer with 10,000# approx load capacity for a bigger tank. I could then also haul my 8000# excavator as needed. The 250 would pull that well. Both have a 6.0 liter Turbo diesel. Not sure rear ratios. The F250 was used to haul a 13,000# 5th wheel camper, not sure about the F350.

shelbycharger400 · September 19, 2011, 09:05:56 PM

i could only find a metric weight doin a quick search

2.2 lbs equal 1 kilogram

http://www.internetautoguide.com/13-12-2002-28-626/2002-ford-f-350-specifications.html

Weights: gross vehicle weight rating (kg) 4,491, curb weight (kg) 2,442, gross trailer weight braked (kg) 4,536 and max legal load (kg) 2,049

/2002-ford-f-350-super-duty-long-bed-extended-cab-pickup-specifications.html

curb weight... is weight empty without your "stuff" 2,442kg equals 5372 lbs

Dale Hatfield · September 19, 2011, 09:47:16 PM

That sounds light my 95 dodge is about 7500 one tone dually 2 wheel drive

Ironwood · September 19, 2011, 10:38:16 PM

I am a FORD guy, one word RUN!!!! I would NEVER EVER buy a 6.0. Period. Forget about those trucks. Find an older southern truck with a 7.3 OR get a 2005 or newer V10. The newer V-10 has a thicker head (no popie plugs) and three valves. GOOD engine, just thirsty.

Ironwood

maple flats · September 20, 2011, 05:40:39 AM

If Fords are not good, in diesel, what about the Dodges with cummins diesels? If yes, what years are better in trucks up to 6 or max 8 yrs old? I drive school bus and our garage is at the central maintenance garage for a several district BOCES. I will ask a few questions on this topic.
Thanks, Dave

Ironwood · September 20, 2011, 07:26:31 AM

I know some years of Dodge have dry plug issues and main injector pump issues ($3000). The Cummins is a great engine, not sure I would want the rest of what comes with it.

Some Chevy Dura Max go thru head gaskets at 170-200K, I have friends (three brothers) who the Dura's went thru the head gasket within a few months of each other. They were their "company" trucks. Dura Max Allison s a good combo, but again I would not want the rest of the package. They did not pull with these trucks.

Newer Diesels are choked by emissions issues (urea crap), so are inefficent.

Get on "Truckpaper" and find and older 99-2003 7.3 Ford down south or out west,

Ironwood

Dale Hatfield · September 20, 2011, 07:04:41 PM

Im a die hard Cummins man and wife for that matter. We have a 95 12 valve my play truck, former main mover.
A 98 24 valve and a 07 24 valve.
The 95 has an auto tranny major money pit.
the 98 and the 7 are standards
The 95 has a head gasket at 200k
the 98 a lift pump and injection pump at about 200k miles
The 07 was a salvage motor rebuild.( it went for a swim)
I would stay away from any dodge /ford auto tranny
stay away from the 6.0 ford they have issues that can be over come in the aftermarket if you so choose but factor fixes will fail time and time again

maple flats · September 20, 2011, 07:52:38 PM

This morning I went into work ( I drive school bus Too). I asked the supervisor of maintenance (at our bus garage is the central maintanance facility for our 16 district BOCES) The supervisor also said stay away from the 6.0 Ford. I asked why and he called in the 6.0L specialist (many of their contract buses have 6.0's) He said they are famous for injector issues. Injectors cost about $4500 in parts before any labor. NO 6.0) I asked about Dodges. They said the Cummings is very good BUT the tranny's are a problem. What about Chevy's, they said Duramax has several issues. Is there anything left?
I might need to shave my beard to look Amish and buy a team. Hauling 800-1000 gal of sap will take quite a team, especially on the 3/4 mile long hill I need to decend at (guessing) maybe 15-20% grade. Do horse drawn wagons have air brakes?

Ironwood · September 20, 2011, 08:07:26 PM

I have a 7.3 (my second), GREAT engine. I also have a 2000 V10. Both have their strengths, but the V10 is a great engine in a VERY solid truck. Not everyone needs or should have a diesel. That has become clear to me. I love to go out at 0 degrees and fire up the gasser, and also the easy of finding fuel. I drive the diesel over the road and local when needed (back up family vehicle). If you don't need a diesel avoid it.

Ironwood

pineywoods · September 20, 2011, 08:17:20 PM

fyi the 04 and later dodges have a mercedes benz truck auto tranny, so far rock solid. Before that, they used a chrysler transmission, which the cummins tended to rip apart quite frequently. The early dodge-cummins also had problems with twisted drive shafts and busted rear ends. I drive a 95 model 35 ft motor home with the 12 valve cummins coupled to a 6 speed allison automatic transmission. That's the way to go. Anybody had any experience with the new IH v6 diesel ?

maple flats · September 20, 2011, 08:25:25 PM

The way the gov't is heading debt wise and policy wise I see the possibility of a total collapse. If China calls in our debt we'd be history, can you all speak chinese? I hope not but see it as a possibility. I truly love our country but I forsee real bad times ahead if we don't get new leadership across the board at everl level.
I would never use farm diesel under normal times but if everything collapsed around us you can bet my farm tanks would be filling my truck. I could also, if need be make bio-diesel. I can't make gasoline. Thus I feel a diesel a better choice. I now drive diesels every day and realize their needs. Another factor is that I can store diesel for a few years but today's gas starts going stale in very little time, even if mixed with stabilizer.
Pineywoods, I'll look into that. Might end up a Dodge man. Had one years ago which was a good truck but it was only a half ton, way before I started really working my trucks.

Ironwood · September 20, 2011, 08:37:09 PM

Well, that provides some perspective. This is the reason I bought Shinnlingers F-350 CC 4x4 with a 7.3. I have the capacity to load it and drive for 3000 miles unfueled. I have three little ones a wife that I would like to have a BUGOUT plan whether we bug in or need to bugout. The fuel is in reserve here on our property. I also have a 3KW diesel genset to pull water from our well. wood all around to be burned to heat our home. We could last a LONG time here unaided. I am beginning a food storage plan as that is our weak point. I have stock piled some ammo and traps for game hunting( etc...) I could eat a long time here on the semi domesticated deer.

Ironwood

snowstorm · September 20, 2011, 09:16:16 PM

dosent seem as if you guys like any of them. out of the 15 diesel engines i own. 2 are 7.3's and 1 6.0. you all love the 7.3 but when they first came out there was injector trouble and turbo. any of them with cooled egr will cause problems. the 7.3 wasnt clean enought so it had to go. the 6.0 is smother not as nosiy 4 valve heads a bed plate all good. trouble areas egr valve and cooler. mine now has 98000 on it with only 1 trip to the ford dealer that i had to pay for.....a fuel pump...at least it was bolted to the frame not in the tank. as far as f250 vs f350 srw the only difference is one extra spring in the rear.

maple flats · September 21, 2011, 05:47:20 PM

As far as preparedness goes my wife likely takes the prize. We have about 2-3 years ahead. The variety might not be there with long time use but we would not go hungry. Our thing is that we would end up sharing with many others too, like we did in '98 when we had a bad "Labor Day" storm. The power was out and trees were down all over the community. We buckled down, opened our home and fed about 25 neighbors, 2x a day for almost a week. We had the food and our natural gas stove had pilot lights and did not need electric to run. I got dry ice to hold refrigeration and we had a party.
If and when I buy a diesel truck I will also get a tank to stock road fuel. I'm thinking 500 min and maybe 1000 gal or more. I like to buy my fuel once a year, when the price is the lowest. After that my only fuel bought on the road would be if I needed to refuel on a long trip.
I hope my fear is wrong but I feel a need to be prepared. Gas won't do it. If I end up getting gas I will get a different truck next year and it will be diesel. I also have 1520 watts solar and a 6000 watt diesel generator. Also have plans for building a wood gasifier if the need arises. I could power a 5500 watt gas powered genny I have. I was taught "Be prepared" back in scouts and my wife and I both practice that all the time.

Ironwood · September 21, 2011, 05:52:05 PM

Flats,

Good for you guys. I hope your kindness has paid dividends. Likely if you are in a rural area people appriciated it. I am "semi suburban" and would not likely do that except for some close family friends that live nearby.

I come from a small town and miss some level of that inter-dependency. When someone had an issue many people would show up to help out.

Ironwood

maple flats · September 22, 2011, 07:01:00 PM

We are in a town of 12,000 and our house is in a residential section. We are on a 1/4 acre corner lot and people we knew as well as people we barely knew came. It was a unifying experience. We went to every house on the block and invited everyone. That is how we are.
We are however in a plan to build a new home at the property where my sugarhouse is. That is 15 acres and has only 3 neighbors within a 1/4 mile radius. Our other property is also rural, about 7/10 mile from the sugarhouse property, where our blueberries are (we have 4.5 acres u-pick) and are planting some raspberries next spring on some of the vacant land in that 13 acre parcel. The point is, people should always try to be neighborly.
Back to the trucks. I am going to look at a 2001 F 250 tomorrow 7.3 diesel, 4x4 with Fisher plow with 147,000 miles. If I don't like that I'll just keep looking. As my back-up plan, I will buy a 7 ton gooseneck equipment trailer, put a ball in my Silverado 1500 gas truck and get the biggest tank I can haul behind that. Then next year I will look for a 250-350 to replace it and will get the biggest tank whichever one I get can handle. My original plan was truck then trailer but they are reversable. The trailer has the added advantage of being able to haul my excavator once I get a heavier truck. It takes far TOO long to drive it from the sugarhouse/sawmill site to the blueberries at 1.1 KPH. I did that once, took 43 minutes with my wife following in the car with her flashers on. Being a farm I can drive it on the road from one place to the other.

Bobus2003 · September 22, 2011, 11:12:07 PM

I have had a many 7.3l Powerstrokes (many IDI 7.3l and 6.9l), and a couple 6l's. In all honesty the 7.3l is hard to beat.. it was in production long enough to have most of its issues resolved (CPS is the biggest continuing issue) As for the 6.Oh, I had a '06 F350 that was a pile of crap, it spent more time at Ford than i was driving it the first year I owned it, but when it did run that truck was a beast.. used it to haul my Dozer, Skidder, and Excavator, Plus random other stuff. I have a '06 F450 6.0l and it has been a great truck, hardly any issues.

The Cummins is a beast pretty much no matter what Year you get.. The late '98-'02 24v Models have a problematic VP44 Injection pump that tend to go bad for no real reason.
The '03-up Common rail tend to have some issues with burning up the #6 piston

The Duramax is another good engine, they are just known for Warping heads (Aluminum Head, Cast iron Block) '02-'04 LB7 has injector issues, The new Duramax (Urea injection Equipped) have a poorly located Urea tank and they are known too freeze.

No matter what Truck I get they are backed by a manual Tranny.. I like to be in control

maple flats · September 23, 2011, 07:56:56 PM

I made that jump. I found a 2001 F250 4x4 with an ext cab., Fisher minute mount plow and a 7.3L diesel. I drove, and dealt. Will pick it up Tuesday after work. Has 148,000 miles and ran good. I did have them fix an exhaust issue, hanger and missing tail pipe. Everything else looks good. No body rust. At this point I think I'll use it for 1 syrup season and then buy a 7 ton gooseneck equipment trailer to haul my tractors and excavator. Then at sap time I'll get the biggest tank I can handle with that truck. After another season I'll look for a newer truck in a 1 ton and get a bigger tank for the trailer. I should be able to haul some hefty sap loads then. Might get it in 2 loads a day rather than 3 or 4 that I might get in year 2 with a smaller tank.

Ironwood · September 23, 2011, 09:07:37 PM

Good for you. I dont think you will be disappointed. If you want to haul heavy, look for 16" Goodyear G series tires (full steel case like tractor trailers) they DONT sway. Michelin also has a 16" steel cased tire although I dont know the model.

I am getting ready to order 19.5" Rickson steel bud rims for my F-350 DRW. I am swimming in 19.5 tires and want to run them on this truck as it is always moving/hauling. The 19.5 lasts and lasts. I keep coming up with them from commercial "pull offs", I brought home 11 tires in the last two weeks, three brand new matched (traded use of my forklift for an afternoon, tire guys lift broke down unloading a semi), 4 matched Michelins 80% tread ($30 each), and 4 Michelins 50% tread. I didnt pay more than $50 each installed. Some guys even convert a 3/4 ton to 19.5 Ricksons, my buddy did so in North Central Pa. and loves it.

Ironwood

Bobus2003 · September 23, 2011, 09:12:21 PM

Quote from: Ironwood on September 23, 2011, 09:07:37 PM
Good for you. I dont think you will be disappointed. If you want to haul heavy, look for 16" Goodyear G series tires (full steel case like tractor trailers) they DONT sway. Michelin also has a 16" steel cased tire although I dont know the model.

I am getting ready to order 19.5" Rickson steel bud rims for my F-350 DRW. I am swimming in 19.5 tires and want to run them on this truck as it is always moving/hauling. The 19.5 lasts and lasts. I keep coming up with them from commercial "pull offs", I brought home 11 tires in the last two weeks, three brand new matched (traded use of my forklift for an afternoon, tire guys lift broke down unloading a semi), 4 matched Michelins 80% tread ($30 each), and 4 Michelins 50% tread. I didnt pay more than $50 each installed. Some guys even convert a 3/4 ton to 19.5 Ricksons, my buddy did so in North Central Pa. and loves it.

Ironwood

Have seen this conversion done many times.. Really don't understand it.. I have 19.5's on my F450 and hate them. The ride quality sucks, Looking at converting it back to Ford 8 on 170mm Bolt pattern in a 17 or 18" rim

Ironwood · September 23, 2011, 09:18:05 PM

Your just not loading it heavy enough :D ;D. I have had them on two other 550's and like them. If yours is a 4x4 I will trade you my axles and rims for yours 8) I already swapped out the rear springs and mounts to the F-450 version.

Ironwood

maple flats · September 24, 2011, 07:30:02 AM

I'm not even sure which tires this has. My understanding on truck carry capacities has more to do with the brakes than the springs. If all sort of "improvements" are done axle, spring or tire wise, how do you legally handle the GVW tag on the door? Years ago I had an overweight ticket and it cost me dearly. That was on a dump truck but back in the late 60's it cost me over $3000 then. Got tickets for everything one could think of and several I had never thought of. Translated the total fine would likely be 4-8 times that now. I think I'll stay within the door tagged GVW limit.

Ironwood · September 24, 2011, 10:32:41 PM

More about handling at full loaded GVW than anything else, and for me switching to 19.5's is about longer term durability of the tire. The 19.5's just outlast any other tire.

Ironwood

maple flats · September 25, 2011, 11:57:05 AM

OK but I may not really be a candidate for that. I usually only put between 6-7000 miles a year. Lasting longer is seldom an issue, handling the weight well could be. Will be more so as I upgrade to a 350 in the future. This 250 at 8800 # GVW is on the lighter side for 3/4 ton trucks I think. I test drove 250's that had 10,000# GVW. Unfortunately they all had a 6L diesel that several mechanics said to avoid because of injector problems.

pineywoods · September 25, 2011, 02:16:04 PM

Quote from: Ironwood on September 24, 2011, 10:32:41 PM
More about handling at full loaded GVW than anything else, and for me switching to 19.5's is about longer term durability of the tire. The 19.5's just outlast any other tire.

Ironwood

Well just maybe. My experience with the 19.5 tires hasn't been so good. Don't run them under-inflated, even 5 psi, and don't overload them. If you do, they will blow out the sidewalls. The sidewalls on most of them have steel cords. If those cords flex very much---boom. I run them on a 35 ft motor home, I carry 2 spares...