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My Master Bedroom Floor Project
« on: October 12, 2021, 03:39:16 PM »
The wife said she wanted the carpet gone and hardwood put it.  I wasn't about to buy hardwood flooring, so I am making it.  There will be a little of every hardwood I can get my hands on.  So far I have made flooring boards with maple, spalted maple, walnut, quarter sawn white oak, red oak, jatoba(I didn't mill it, but I had it), sassafras, and cherry.  There will be elm in it before I'm done, but its still in the kiln.  I had this idea, but then found that member @tacks Y had done the same thing.  I've been picking his brain for a little bit of insight.  I will have 2", 3" and 4" wide boards.  With doing it that way, the amount of waste has been very minimal so far.  I'm loving turning some of the ugliest lumber I have yet produced into awesome flooring.  It's amazing what the jointer, planer and table saw can do for some warped boards.  I bought a small shaper and some Amana t&g bits to make the flooring, plus a power feeder to help save my hands and shoulders.  I feel like I'm producing the flooring quicker than I expected, so maybe be done making enough in a few weeks.  I have some really nice quarter sawn walnut that is about 7' long and about 7" wide in the kiln.  It is about half heart and half sap.  I'm thinking about using that to make a 6" wide border around the room and then fill in with the t&g.  It looks good in my head.

 

 

 

 

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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2021, 06:53:35 PM »
What did you go with on the power feeder?  I want one but don't want to take out a second mortgage for it.

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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2021, 07:01:26 PM »
This is gonna be awesome if its even close to the results @tacks Y got.  Looking forward to progress photos
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2021, 07:14:30 PM »
 @Wudman I bought the Grizzly baby feeder.  I think it was $400

 @VB-Milling that's exactly what I'm hoping for too.  I have to find a good waterbased finish for the floor.  
Not gonna deal with smelly oil based finish in the house.
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2021, 08:02:52 PM »
I used a 2-part "street shoe" finish when I did my floors.  

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One thing that makes installing and sanding easier is to pay close attention to the thickness and the tongue and groove setup.   If you can the set up very flush, you'll sand a lot less.  
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2021, 08:43:08 PM »
Thanks, I'll look into the street shoe.  The link says that there is a supply chain issue, surprise, surprise.
I saved one of the first pieces that I made and am using it as a jig to set up the bits each time I change to help keep the alignment good.  So far the alignment seems to be staying very close.
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2021, 09:04:15 PM »
I had someone run my flooring through a 4 sided planer, the edges were off about 1/32, that was a lot of sanding to get it worked out.

Since then, I did a setup with a shaper and feeder, consistent board width and straight edges help too. 

The floor I did received compliments from the professional installer, apparently a lot of homemade flooring runs suffer from quality control. 
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2021, 09:10:16 PM »
No doubt the flatness of the stock affects quality of the flooring.  Most of what I'm making I'm face jointing and edge jointing one side before I rip it to width.  Only the quarter sawn WO that I have is flat enough not to need it.
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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2021, 07:43:11 AM »
I've installed miles of hardwood flooring (real, not engineered) back when I was in the trades.

The sanding process and the finish application really makes or breaks the project.

Don't shoot the messenger, but it may be worth considering hiring that part out  :o

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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2021, 08:20:13 AM »
I did all of mine, rented a drum sander, then an orbital sander.  Wife wanted the floor stained, so I did it, and could see the track where I walked the running orbital sander from one room to another to touch up a spot....

So I got to start over with the drum....

Second time around, I finished with a sheet of sand paper attached to a broom stick, and "hand sanded the whole floor".  The water based finish dries fast and doesn't level like an oil based finish.  I ended up with a few streaks at the end where I had to meet in the middle of the room. 

I've only done this once, your mileage may vary. 
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2021, 09:36:35 AM »
My entire house is wide board oak flooring done by yours truly. Old part of house is what's called "reject export oak" which is KD and rejected after the kiln for export-usually knots, or slightly thin. Newer timberframe room is my own oak off this land where we live-it's mixed white and red oak.  I also made a house full for a guy who ran an ad saying he was selling chestnut barn boards. Turned out none of it was chestnut but I stupidly agreed to make him flooring form his oak. My pricing was too low.
For my off-grid cabin I plan to do similar to firefighters floor and tap into my wood stash.  I have a huge bunch of pre blight chestnut that is old and beautiful but lacks worm holes so I've passed it by for furniture so far. That chestnut and some walnut, cherry and maple will become my cabins floors. 
   
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2021, 10:30:36 AM »
Im just flooring a room that is about 14x16.  Im looking at a few products for it.  One says it is specially made to make it easy for quick application, preventing lines.  Im going to buy a 6 orbital sander to sand the floor.  It shouldnt take much, but I cant rule out a few bad/uneven spots.  This is a log home, so some imperfections in the floor will not bother us at all.  I will never use a floor drum sander again.  It left all kinds of snipe in the main floor for the house.  I finished that whole floor with a 4 brush.
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2021, 07:37:38 AM »
 A few yrs ago I made a floor same as what your talking about FFOTS. I cut the trees sawed the logs to boards had them kiln dried and paid to have it run thru a 4 s planer.



 

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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2021, 07:44:33 AM »
That looks great Ed.  I like the colors of that floor.  Nice and warm.
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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2021, 11:54:55 AM »
 Thanks FFOTS.

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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2021, 10:52:59 AM »
Great project!  As long as the wife is happy at the end you can then claim success!   The power feed looks like a great addition for the shaper.  

Do you plan to get a cyclone for your dust collector or is the filter doing ok and not filling up too quickly?  What HP is the motor on your grizzly blower?

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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2021, 08:11:28 PM »
The power feeder has been a hand saver for sure.  I will not hook up a cyclone for the DC.  I believe this is a 1 1/2 horse grizzly that I had and got out of storage for this project.  The filter does a good job and has a little handle that you turn and it knocks dust off the inside of the filter.
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« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2021, 08:38:48 PM »
I am just going to follow along. I have just finnished having my flooring sent to a nearby mill. I  did about 2000 sq ft of cherry walnut popple/cotton wood and pine.  the sawing and KD. I am still deciding if I will install and finnish.
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« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2021, 11:24:11 PM »
 @Stephen1 I'll continue to update as I go thru the process.  Today I didn't do much, but I did process some boards that I found while putting my new compressor in place.  I found some white oak boards and some pieces of sweetgum.  The sweetgum will be some pretty pieces.
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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2021, 12:47:40 PM »
Our Lowes here used to rent a Varathane floor sanding machine that I've used a couple of times.  I'm not sure if they still do, since I haven't been down that aisle in recent memory.

That machine has three 6" random orbit heads, and is Very heavy.

If they have one near you, I highly recommend it over a handheld sander.

If they do have one available, I can give some more tips on it.  I did a 16x20 room in the last addition on our house with it.

I owned a big drum sander, and used if for a few decades on the new houses I used to build, but sold it as quick as I could when I saw the first fancy belt floor sander.  After that, I paid a couple of young guys to come sand my floors 75 cents a foot, and I finished them.

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« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2021, 10:00:05 PM »
I will not hook up a cyclone for the DC.  I believe this is a 1 1/2 horse grizzly that I had and got out of storage for this project.  The filter does a good job and has a little handle that you turn and it knocks dust off the inside of the filter.
I understand.  If it is portable and pulled out on occasion it would not be worth trying to attach a cyclone.  
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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2021, 09:00:47 PM »
I had some walnut rough sawn 1x6 up on a shelf that I bought in an auction years ago.  I decided to pill it down 
And make some flooring out of it.  Turned out it was all quilted.

 
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« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2021, 09:05:35 PM »
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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2021, 12:23:09 PM »
quilts are nice in the bedroom!   :snowball:   :D :D :D
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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2021, 07:07:53 PM »
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« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2021, 02:22:27 PM »
quilts are nice in the bedroom!   :snowball:   :D :D :D
I have a feeling this one isn't gonna keep me very warm, but I will display it for all to see.
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« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2021, 02:26:31 PM »
So, I ordered my helical head from Holbren a while back.  After a week with no email, I decided to call Holbren and get an idea on when I would get the head.  It took 4 days for Holbren to finally answer the phone.  They did not respond to the message I left or the email I sent.  The said it will take 6 to 8 weeks to get my new Byrd head.
I understand things are all messed up right now, but still.  They could have let me know how long it would take and not just take my almost $400 without any correspondence.  I was really looking forward to using it for flooring, but I better have all my flooring done by then or I will be in the proverbial dog house.
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« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2021, 07:18:52 PM »
I have been trying  to get a Kubota Side by side since March.  They keep shutting  down the line due to shortages.  Now it's a shortage of steel tubing used for rollbars, suspension,  and bumpers that shut  the lines down again along with the  hydraulic  cylinder line. The supply  chain is broken and manufacturers take it for granted that customers will expect long wait times and don't  bother notifying them anymore.
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« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2021, 05:33:20 PM »
Flooring project is progressing well.  I figure I'm about 3/4 done making flooring.  I need to start counting feet of each size of flooring that I make so I can have a better idea of when I have enough. 

 I took some of it upstairs that I made today and laid it out in the bedroom to see how it looks.  I think it is gonna be amazing.  It occurs to me that I better order some finish this week if I want to have it when I'm ready.  
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« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2021, 07:05:46 PM »
Gonna be awesome.  
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« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2021, 06:11:57 PM »
I ordered a 6" bosch orbital sander from Amazon to use for sanding the floor and it came the next day.  I couldn't believe that.  I ordered two boxes of sanding discs from Grizzly at the same time and they are arriving today.  Its like opposite world.  Everything else I order is taking weeks to get and now I get stuff in 1 and 2 days.  I ordered an 18" wide applicator to put down the finish.  I've never done that, so I hope that works out.  In the morning I'm going to pick up some water based finish for the floor.  2 gallons is supposed to be enough.  It's called Last n' Last Crystal Clear.  Not supposed to change the color at all.  Now I need to make the rest of the flooring so I can get going with this thing.  I'm not looking forward to moving all the furniture out and pulling the carpet.
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« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2021, 04:36:10 PM »
My kiln run was done a few days ago, so when I got home from work today I went in and brought out a bunch of q sawn walnut that I had in there.  A lot of it was not as flat as I would like, but there was plenty flat enough to make border boards for the bedroom.  I planed them down to 3/4 and then jointed and ripped to 4 1/2" wide.  On average they are half heart and half sap.  I think I will install them with the heart to the inside of the room.  Then there will be a square shaped area inside to fill with all of the flooring.  I really like the look of the q sawn walnut with sapwood.

 

 
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« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2021, 07:20:05 PM »
Yeah these are gonna look mighty slick!
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« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2021, 09:28:16 AM »
I really like it!!
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« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2021, 10:10:07 AM »
Thanks guys.  I think I'm gonna screw these border boards down and plug.  Then the rest of the floor will be nailed as usual.  On the side where I start laying the floor I may route a tongue onto the border boards.
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« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2021, 12:47:21 PM »
When I flood floor finish on with a squeegee, I buy a cheap, one gallon plastic watering can, with a long spout, to pour it out ahead of the squeegee.  Most people cut in the edges with a brush.  I don't.

I'm assuming you're using the mostly round "squeegee" sold by flooring suppliers, that slides on the handle.  They make plastic, and metal tools that the squeegee slides onto.  Sometimes the squeegee is a little shorter than the part it slides onto.  That's why I bought the plastic one, so I could shorten it a little.

I push the finish right to the edge, and keep a roll of finish right off the end by angling the squeegee.  That's where the watering can comes in.  It allows you good control over the amount of stuff you keep in that roll.

It goes really fast.  It would probably take less than two minutes to put a coat on your floor, in that room.

If it's a room with a doorway into another room, that won't get finish, I tape down a couple of layers of 6 mil plastic to drag any excess finish out onto.

I'm never been satisfied washing out one of the squeegees.  I use a new one for each coat, and just toss them.

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« Reply #36 on: November 06, 2021, 01:58:38 PM »
Thanks for those tips, Tom.  I watched a video where they did the flooring like you describe.  They were using a watering can too.  Wasn't you was it?  I was told I should thin the first coat a bit to make it soak in good.  The watering can would be a good place to add water.  I imagine not more than 10%.  My hope is that I can get the floor finished in 2 days.
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« Reply #37 on: November 06, 2021, 03:49:04 PM »
I don't have any floor finishing videos.  I've never used the product you're using, so don't know about the thinning.  I've mostly used Bona stuff, but never thinned it.  I haven't done a floor since 2014 (I think), so I'm sure there's newer stuff out now.  I do a Lot of different things.

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« Reply #38 on: November 06, 2021, 03:58:12 PM »
Here's the kind of watering can I use.  I lay a line out the length of the floor, and push it over to one edge of the squeegee.  Those are a couple of Bona gallon jugs beside it, for size reference.  I think it came from the gardening section in Home Depot.


 

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« Reply #39 on: November 06, 2021, 05:47:56 PM »
I got the Bosch GET75-6N.  It's a 6" with hook and loop.  I ordered the discs from Grizzly.  I tested it out on a piece of elm and it seems like a beast.  It will come in handy when sanding table tops in the future too.  I will definitely wear a respirator when sanding and will also put a fan in the window and try to draw most of the dust outside.  Of course I will also have a shop vac attached to the sander.
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« Reply #40 on: November 06, 2021, 07:44:42 PM »
That's the same one I have, and don't remember using any of the others since I bought that one.  I use a Shop Vac with a yellow bag, and Mirka mesh disks.  It does a great job of getting the dust, but still leaves stuff in the air you don't want to breathe.

I have a beard, so a respirator doesn't do it for me.  I produce a lot of work, but didn't get to be 71, and in good shape, by not taking care of myself.

If you use the yellow bag, watch it so you don't overfill it.  They get to a critical point where it will blow a hole in the bag, and then you have to take the whole vac apart to clean it out, and that's not even worrying about what it blew out the exhaust.  If it's about half full, it's time to change it. Time your sanding sessions, so if you blow a bag, you know when to stop on the next ones.

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« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2021, 07:59:32 PM »
 @Tom King what do you recommend for buffing after the first coat of finish?  Is there a buffer pad to put on the Bosch?
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« Reply #42 on: November 06, 2021, 08:12:03 PM »
Probably, but I have a 16" floor buffer, so I use that.  A quick pass with 320 would probably be okay.  The finish should have some sort of recommendation on the container.

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« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2021, 08:22:55 PM »
Hmm, I could bring home the floor buffer from the firehouse and use that.
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« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2021, 08:02:36 AM »
You may even be able to sand your floor with it, if it's milled really precisely.  I've used mine to sand a room before.  It's slower than that rental machine I linked earlier, but faster than a 6" sander.

You only need to use the coarsest sanding screen that you can find.  I'm pretty low on those, but think you can buy them individually off ebay.

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« Reply #46 on: November 07, 2021, 08:27:33 AM »
Before I finished my great room floor of wideoak boards I called the Waterlox mfg.'s number and got a guy who said he'd had it on his own floor for over 25 years and still looked the same. Waterlox is pricey but it sure pops the colors on wood! I rolled mine on with a pan & a roller, maybe 2 or 3 coats. Wife uses Orange Glo for wood floors from Walmart-looks VG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #47 on: November 07, 2021, 08:39:11 AM »
Thanks Tom.  I'll look at the buffer tomorrow.  I'm not sure I can put anything on there except the buffer pads that are like scouring pads.  We have white and red ones I think.

Interesting on the Waterlox @kantuckid .  I'm using my left and right "feeders" to face joint, edge joint, rip to size and run thru the planer.  I figured I would give them a break on running the flooring thru the shaper.  I made walnut and american elm flooring yesterday.  Today I'm going to make some red elm flooring.  I can't wait to see what it looks like.
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« Reply #48 on: November 07, 2021, 09:10:37 AM »
You just lay the screens under the cleaning pads, and they stay in place.  That's all anyone uses.  Lay the screen on the floor, and roll the machine in place on top of it.

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« Reply #49 on: November 07, 2021, 11:33:04 AM »
Gotcha.  I'll check the size of our buffer and let ya know if I can use one of them.  I feel like our buffer is probably 16".  I just made some flooring boards out of red elm.  My planer has never protested as much as it did with that elm.  I even turned down the feed speed and it still protested.  I was worried about the shaper cutting tongues and that was not really any different than other woods.
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« Reply #50 on: November 07, 2021, 07:12:29 PM »
I have to figure out how to run my flooring into the logs on one side of the bedroom.  The floor comes into a log about 2/3 up the log, so I have to figure out a way to make it look good.  I'm thinking about scribing the border board to the log and trying to cut a 45 on the bottom.  Another option might be to to put some sort of a trim piece on top of the flooring board and scribe it to the log.  Anyone have any bright ideas.  On the first floor, the logs sit on a 1" board which created a space for the flooring to tuck in under the logs.  That's not an option upstairs.
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« Reply #52 on: November 08, 2021, 09:08:36 AM »
Well I don't have any seriously unique ideas on scribing the floor to log but can say that that i go fairly good at doing that! My originals have slight gaps from logs drying which is a challenge but my ERC porch floors the logs were long dry and spot on in either direction. Ends are easier of course as you can take another shot at the meet ups. 

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I saw a floor yesterday in an 1880's house in rural Hazel Green, KY that was very interesting. The meet-up was to see a guy who does custom sawing and I had no cell # to reach him to see about him sawing 6MBF EWP for my wall logs. 

We sort of knew each other from me selling him a wood stove last year. he'd been around in my woodshop and seen the many types of woods I have and had told me to see his house they'd remodeled.  The house was built by a French carpenter brought to the USA to build this house for a small town/ village actually, local banker and the bricks are handmade from the land behind it, floors are alternating strips of parquet walnut and ash. The staircase is all handmade walnut and stunning as well. Even the entry door is handmade and has neat brass period original hardware and glass. All wood work was worked by hand on site. 
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« Reply #53 on: November 09, 2021, 10:04:04 PM »
I'll do a few samples of how I can run the flooring into the log wall and see what looks best.  Likely I am not going to cut the logs to accept the flooring.  

The red elm that I made into flooring is really nice.  It was the first time I have worked with red elm.  That stuff made my planer protest more than any other wood I have planed.  I was worried that the results would be similar when running the flooring with the shaper, but it didn't seem much different than white oak.  I really like the figure the elm has, especially from where all the epicormic sprouts were.
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« Reply #54 on: November 16, 2021, 09:41:28 AM »
Get a Mirka backup pad for your Bosch sander.  Mine has run boxes of sanding disks, and the pad on the machine still looks like new.

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« Reply #55 on: November 16, 2021, 02:52:28 PM »
Thanks @Tom King I just ordered one.  I just measured the buffer we have at the firehouse.  The fiber pads we have for it measure 17".  Presumably that means the buffer is a 16" as you mentioned.  If your offer still stands, I would take you up on it to send me a disk.  
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« Reply #56 on: November 16, 2021, 03:51:00 PM »
PM your address, and see what the finish recommends for sanding between coats.  Some of them are so fine, they might be too fine.

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« Reply #57 on: November 16, 2021, 03:52:35 PM »
You will need to buy a 16" pad.  Red, or white, it doesn't matter.  You need one of those to hold the disk in place.  A 17" pad will keep you off the wall, and make it hard to tell where you set the disk under it.

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« Reply #58 on: November 16, 2021, 05:20:54 PM »
Thanks Tom, I will look at the finish when I get home from work tomorrow morning and let you know what it says.  I will get a 16" pad.
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« Reply #59 on: November 19, 2021, 11:22:11 AM »
It looks like you're going to have a beautiful floor and I can appreciate all the work you're going to. I did the same thing (with fewer species) last year. I also used a water based finish because I wanted to be able to put down multiple coats/day, have something that dried quicker so less settling dust would stick in the finish, and I didn't want something that would yellow over time. 

But I decided I did want the initial pop that comes from an oil based finish to give the floor a little richer look. So what I did was put down two coats of shellac seal coat (Zinsser) first. It dries very quickly and the stuff that's labeled "seal coat" is non-waxed so you can put anything on top of it. Another benefit is that it doesn't raise the grain very much and then seals the wood so your water based finish doesn't raise it either. 

I've used the same process (shellac seal coat under water based) for my cabinets and other woodworking projects with success and am happy with the process and results. 

Just something to think about.

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« Reply #60 on: November 19, 2021, 04:02:38 PM »
That looks great, Alan.  The seal coat is a good idea.  I have used it several times as a seal coat for finishing pine.  It is supposed to seal the pitch and keep it from bleeding thru the final finish.  Fast drying was definitely a priority for me too.  I figure I'll get the finish done in 2 days if I'm lucky.  

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« Reply #61 on: November 21, 2021, 05:56:02 PM »
Alan, that is a beautiful floor.  I want one.   
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« Reply #62 on: November 29, 2021, 12:30:52 PM »
Its take out the carpet day and clean up some of the logs that were never properly buffed 20 years ago.  I was in a hurry to move into the house, since I didn't have it done before we got married and we needed to live there.  The logs look much nicer now.  I hate carpet tack strips.


 

 
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« Reply #63 on: November 29, 2021, 02:56:35 PM »
Allan that floor looks really nice. Can I get a closeup of it? I am still trying to decide on finishes to bring out the depth of the grain and protect it.

My goto for the last lots of projects has been polycrylic water base poly urethane. But I would like something that really brings out the grain.

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Allan that floor looks really nice. Can I get a closeup of it? I am still trying to decide on finishes to bring out the depth of the grain and protect it.

My goto for the last lots of projects has been polycrylic water base poly urethane. But I would like something that really brings out the grain.
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« Reply #65 on: November 29, 2021, 08:27:23 PM »
Thanks Alan. does look nice. I just do whatever I can to avoid the yellow tint.

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« Reply #66 on: November 29, 2021, 09:38:01 PM »
I'm going to use a product called Last 'n Last.  It is water based and is supposed to be crystal clear.  
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« Reply #67 on: November 30, 2021, 08:06:38 AM »
have to let me know how that works and looks. very interested.

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« Reply #68 on: November 30, 2021, 07:23:14 PM »
I got about half of the floor installed today.  I hope to get the rest done tomorrow.  It will be close.  I really like how it is looking.

 

 
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« Reply #69 on: November 30, 2021, 07:34:11 PM »
have to let me know how that works and looks. very interested.
I will let you know in this thread if you keep following it.  I hope to be putting finish on it this weekend.
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that looks really good so far

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« Reply #71 on: December 01, 2021, 07:52:24 AM »
Cant wait to see the finished floor then I can pick out my favorite board  ;D.
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« Reply #72 on: December 01, 2021, 08:15:57 AM »
The walnut and cherry will really help in the long term to keep contrast in the floor. 
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« Reply #73 on: December 01, 2021, 08:36:04 AM »
I found the disks yesterday, and hope to remember to mail them today.

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« Reply #74 on: December 01, 2021, 12:22:05 PM »
I found the disks yesterday, and hope to remember to mail them today.
Danny, I'd be happy to send you some pics of my favotites to help you find yours.  What are some characteristics that you see in a "favorite" board.
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« Reply #75 on: December 01, 2021, 12:22:51 PM »
The walnut and cherry will really help in the long term to keep contrast in the floor.
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Exactly.  The walnut may fade a bit, but the cherry will darken.
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« Reply #76 on: December 01, 2021, 09:52:17 PM »
I finished installing the last of the flooring about 7 tonight.  There's still a lot of work to do with making and installing some transitions and then the finish.  I've got about 10 square feet of flooring left over.  It was about perfect.  I'll think of something to do with the left over.  My dad came and helped me today.  He had some trouble using the flooring nailer.  He said, " i just made a little error".  He had misplaced the nailer and shot a nail into the face of the flooring board.  I used a nail set and just set the nail.  A few minutes later I found a spot where he had shot 3 nails thru the face of a red elm board.  That did not set very well.  I fixed those holes with some epoxy.  I included a few close ups in case @WDH sees his favorite.

 

 

 

 
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« Reply #77 on: December 01, 2021, 11:15:13 PM »
Looks great, cant wait to see it with finish

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« Reply #78 on: December 02, 2021, 08:08:41 AM »
Ive never seen anyone use a ladder to install a floor before.  ;D :D
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« Reply #79 on: December 02, 2021, 08:59:09 AM »
That floor looks sharp!  Really like how it came together.

He had misplaced the nailer and shot a nail into the face of the flooring board.  I used a nail set and just set the nail.  A few minutes later I found a spot where he had shot 3 nails thru the face of a red elm board. 

That would have sent me into orbit!  Sometimes, I yell loudly at close family members LOL

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« Reply #80 on: December 02, 2021, 01:35:59 PM »
He had misplaced the nailer and shot a nail into the face of the flooring board.  I used a nail set and just set the nail.  A few minutes later I found a spot where he had shot 3 nails thru the face of a red elm board.  That did not set very well.  I fixed those holes with some epoxy.

Just some additional character and I bet no one will ever be able to pick those spots out but you once the floor is done. My father has been gone for ~14 years and I'd love to still have him around to shoot nails in the wrong spot for me...

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« Reply #81 on: December 02, 2021, 03:37:56 PM »
Thanks guys.  Yeah, I was not angry.  The holes have been filled with some epoxy mixed with some red elm sawdust.  It will not be noticeable to anyone but me and it will make me think of my dad.
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Re: My Master Bedroom Floor Project
« Reply #82 on: Yesterday at 08:41:31 AM »
Some advice I was given that applies to pretty much all woodworking projects.  

If someone compliments you on your job/project, resist the urge to point out all the errors, and just say "Thank you".

We tend to do that, point out all the flaws.  The average person won't notice them, so just let it go.  We tend to fixate on those small details, but given the scope of a project those flaws don't really matter.

Nice project by  the way.

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« Reply #83 on: Yesterday at 09:36:46 AM »
also use the results to continue to improve.  often it may change the sequence of process, like initial sanding, routing corners, engraving, fine sanding, finish.  looks great.
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« Reply #84 on: Yesterday at 10:07:40 AM »
Ive never seen anyone use a ladder to install a floor before.  ;D :D
The ladder is to get a bird's eye view of your work.
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« Reply #85 on: Yesterday at 12:35:16 PM »
Ive never seen anyone use a ladder to install a floor before.  ;D :D
Well then you've never installed a floor like this before.  The ladder has been invaluable.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #86 on: Yesterday at 01:16:22 PM »
He picked a good board to add some more Birdseye's to.

I hope the disks get there soon enough to do you some good.  Been running WFO seven days a week here.

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« Reply #87 on: Yesterday at 01:41:19 PM »
You knew that I was going to pick the quartersawn white oak board with the sapwood on one edge and those upper medullary running across at 45 degrees, didnt you  ;D.  
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« Reply #88 on: Yesterday at 05:11:00 PM »
He picked a good board to add some more Birdseye's to.

I hope the disks get there soon enough to do you some good.  Been running WFO seven days a week here.
If its on its way, it will be here in plenty of time.
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« Reply #89 on: Yesterday at 05:12:28 PM »
You knew that I was going to pick the quartersawn white oak board with the sapwood on one edge and those upper medullary running across at 45 degrees, didnt you  ;D.  
That is a nice piece isn't it.  I put some other really nice q sawn pieces in prominent spots.
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« Reply #90 on: Yesterday at 05:21:57 PM »
I like the elm, next to the walnut chunk.  everybody likes walnut. :)
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« Reply #91 on: Yesterday at 05:37:49 PM »
I like the elm, next to the walnut chunk.  everybody likes walnut. :)
I like the elm too.  I've gained a new respect for how tough it is too.  If you look closely at that piece of elm you can see two grey spots.  Those were nails that were in that yard tree.
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« Reply #92 on: Yesterday at 08:49:33 PM »
Very Nice! Great job.  I agree with never pointing out our mistakes. I also know no one will ever see what we see in our own work. 
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« Reply #93 on: Yesterday at 09:23:33 PM »
I think it is ok to learn from the mistakes and continue to improve.  Strive for excellence. once you are satisfied with a product or gift, then keep it to yourself.  lol

just got this pic, of my boss using a gift I made for him a few months back when he visited from California.  Charcuterie board.

 

 
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