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Re: American chestnut tree?
« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2023, 07:19:05 AM »
This is the best pics I've found for most wood;
chestnut (hobbithouseinc.com)

A wiki on the definition of tyloses;
Tylosis (botany) - Wikipedia

American Chestnut | The Wood Database (Hardwood) (wood-database.com)
Notice the end grain comments.

American Chestnut | Identification Of Common North American Woods (woodidentification.net)

I think studying those and the oaks and getting some really clear pics of what you have will clear it up.

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Re: American chestnut tree?
« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2023, 10:02:53 AM »
The end grain is even hard to see with a 10 x lens on chestnut, gonna do some real squinting. As I said that tidbit was from wood ID keys in an old Forestry college text from the 80's. Descriptions of some things comes by consensus, I can tell you that. :D  I've even seen it suggested that white ash 'can have' tylosis. But I think it sporadic, maybe a pore here and there. It's not pronounced like white oak.

Those folks at the wood database have refrained from comment on this thread. And collectively, we likely know about as much as they do anyway. They and also the last link by Don have great photos. We are rather limited by file size over here to see clearer images.
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Re: American chestnut tree?
« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2023, 10:54:25 AM »
Thanks, but I'm 1% of that Sam :)
You say that, and on actual tree knowledge maybe, but you share a great deal of information/knowledge on construction. You also dig into other subjects giving references to help others learn.  Don't sell yourself short!  I just copied some of your stair tread detail from another post to share with my son concerning a deck stair project he wants to undertake.  

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Re: American chestnut tree?
« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2023, 01:18:08 PM »
Chestnut wood is common in older barns especially on the mountains. Where there was a local use sawmill it is common in homes up until ww 2.

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« Reply #44 on: January 21, 2023, 02:11:06 PM »













Here are some pictures of the end grain. Hopefully this will help ID 

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Re: American chestnut tree?
« Reply #45 on: January 21, 2023, 02:22:50 PM »
I'm seeing rays in that top one, can't tell if I'm seeing rays or saw on the other 2. It also looks like butt, get a very clean razor cut on the other end of that chestnut oak board and post a pic if you would. clean up finer than the saw marks and get as close as it'll give a clear pic.
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« Reply #46 on: January 21, 2023, 03:49:05 PM »
Looks like a species of red oak, the rays are too prominent for chestnut. I believe Dodgy nailed it. He can see stuff I can't. :D But now I can see rays, where I did not before. I'm also seeing more than 3 rows of early wood pores. In other words, more than A. chestnut would ever have.
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« Reply #47 on: January 21, 2023, 04:40:30 PM »
I really wish one of you had been there to see the burs scattered around the base of the tree and when I milled it, the smell was not oak. The closest I can explain to the smell was a hoppy beer smell. Ive cut plenty of white and red oak the last month, its definitely not the same smell. 
Is there anyway it could be oak/chestnut hybrid!? Is there such a thing? Again, if it wasnt for the chestnuts all over the ground then Id accept it was an oak but I cant because I physically saw them which is what I posted 😂

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Re: American chestnut tree?
« Reply #48 on: January 21, 2023, 05:36:31 PM »
I have always been suspect of the morals of oaks.

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« Reply #49 on: January 21, 2023, 08:42:00 PM »
I have nothing constructive to add to the conversation, I just appreciate all the knowledge and information you all on here are passing on, I wish my grandfather was still alive, he and his brothers ran a sawmill for years.  I would have loved to have the privilege of milling with him, one day maybe I will rebuild the old Frick mill we still have sitting on the property.  I guarantee he would have a good idea what tree you milled, maybe not as scientific as some of the replies on here, but the old timers knew their stuff, living off the land and working it from the time they could stand on their own two legs, till they died.

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« Reply #50 on: January 22, 2023, 05:10:13 AM »
Looks like a Pin Oak that was growing in close proximity to a Chestnut.

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Re: American chestnut tree?
« Reply #51 on: January 22, 2023, 07:05:12 AM »
Like I said before, I have no idea where the burs came from or off of. As for the smell, there is no telling what is in the ground that is causing the mineral stain. It could very well change the way the wood smells. I wish it was a chestnut as bad as you do but I don't see it. If you can't make it to UGA with a piece of it, you can take a piece to the county extension agent and they can send it to them. Wish you had some more of those burs too but I don't think they came from the tree. I think they came from something else. It is interesting there was no leaves under or on the tree but lots of burs. Leads one to think that since the tree was coming down someone might be playing a prank. Best of luck.
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Re: American chestnut tree?
« Reply #52 on: January 22, 2023, 01:25:26 PM »
I'm reluctant to say this as I don't care to sound foolish, but glancing at that last photo, Hackberry came to mind. Just saying.

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« Reply #53 on: January 22, 2023, 01:41:32 PM »
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Re: American chestnut tree?
« Reply #54 on: January 22, 2023, 03:08:18 PM »
That mineral stain, combined with the off odor, could actually be a bacterial infection - common to the lesser red oaks.  In my experience with infected oak as it dries a lot of it basically falls apart.  First time I saw that in lumber I had no idea what it was - WDH was the one who educated me on it.  
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Re: American chestnut tree?
« Reply #55 on: January 22, 2023, 09:35:51 PM »
Looks like a Pin Oak that was growing in close proximity to a Chestnut.
Pin oak you say? Almost an insult.   The bark looks like pin oak and the sap wood and the dead knots and the ring count do too. The color of the sawn lumber is what throws me off. I don't see that green look. If I was there and after it drys a little it would be easy to id pin oak.


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