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Title: Oak or Ash?
Post by: proteus on January 23, 2013, 11:27:16 AM
I cut this log up last week. It looks like it had been down for a couple of years, but it was still in good shape. I thought is was Oak, but a friend was thinking it might be Ash. I haven't tried splitting it yet. I didn't want to spoil the fun of getting some other opinions. I live in NE Iowa and where i am cutting, there are a lot of Black Walnut and Hackberry.

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I hope this works. This is the first time i tried to attach a pic with my post.
Title: Re: Oak or Ash?
Post by: proteus on January 23, 2013, 11:29:23 AM
This is a better pic of the bark.

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Title: Re: Oak or Ash?
Post by: Al_Smith on January 23, 2013, 12:00:47 PM
Ash would be my guess .
Title: Re: Oak or Ash?
Post by: ely on January 23, 2013, 01:43:54 PM
ash firewood stacked against a hackberry tree is my guess
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Post by: colincb183 on January 23, 2013, 03:02:48 PM
I would say it's ash too. Can't tell what kind, but its ash.
Title: Re: Oak or Ash?
Post by: Jeff on January 23, 2013, 03:14:58 PM
proteus, is there a reason the image is so small?  The forum will compress your large photo on upload, and keep it at a viewable size.

I'm going against what everyone else has said here so far, but we need bigger photos, but I think it is oak.
Title: Re: Oak or Ash?
Post by: OneWithWood on January 23, 2013, 05:30:45 PM
Definately not Ash.  Could be oak.
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Post by: WmFritz on January 23, 2013, 09:43:02 PM
I've only sawn white ash and from the pictures, I know its not that. No diamond pattern in the bark ... sapwood too dark.  I gotta go with oak too.
Title: Re: Oak or Ash?
Post by: mesquite buckeye on January 23, 2013, 09:45:41 PM
Looks like bur oak bark, and right area..... :)
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Post by: Slab Slicer on January 23, 2013, 10:05:01 PM
Tough to tell from the small pics, but I'm guessing oak as well.
Title: Re: Oak or Ash?
Post by: colincb183 on January 24, 2013, 12:18:39 AM
The bark in the top picture looks to me like ash, the wood does look too dark though.  The bark in the bottom picture definitely resembles some kind of oak. I think I'm going to change my answer to oak of some kind.
Title: Re: Oak or Ash?
Post by: proteus on January 24, 2013, 09:40:09 AM
Looks like were turning the corner from Ash to Oak. :D
Jeff, as far as the pics are concererned, I took them with my cell phone. I sent them to a friend via text and he sent them back by e-mail. I will take better pics with my ipad and post them. I split a piece yesturday and it sure split like oak. I used a maul. It only took one swing to split a 20" piece in half. Thanks again for all of your input.
Title: Re: Oak or Ash?
Post by: Jeff on January 24, 2013, 03:25:21 PM
Yep, that's what shrunk em. The text message. None of the bark resembles ash to me.
Title: Re: Oak or Ash?
Post by: proteus on January 24, 2013, 04:54:17 PM
Thanks Jeff. I will post better pics tomorrow.
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Post by: MJD on January 24, 2013, 05:23:15 PM
I say oak also, little band of sap-wood at the bark makes it look to be oak.
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Post by: petefrom bearswamp on January 24, 2013, 06:18:15 PM
I say Oak.
have never seen ash with that much darker heartwood and the bark looks wrong for ash.
Title: Re: Oak or Ash?
Post by: proteus on January 25, 2013, 08:34:06 AM
Hopefully these pics will show a little more detail.

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 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/30976/IMG_0004%7E1.JPG) 

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Title: Re: Oak or Ash?
Post by: ely on January 25, 2013, 08:54:40 AM
recant, im saying pecan, after further review.
Title: Re: Oak or Ash?
Post by: thecfarm on January 25, 2013, 08:58:52 AM
Did someone mention PIE??  :D
Title: Re: Oak or Ash?
Post by: WDH on January 25, 2013, 09:01:54 AM
The first pic looks like blackgum.

I believe the second pic to be hickory.

I believe the third pic is one of the less scaly white oaks like burr oak. 
Title: Re: Oak or Ash?
Post by: proteus on January 25, 2013, 09:27:49 AM
All three pics are pieces from the same log. The coloration in the pic is not the best, so i understand why so many different opinions.  The heart wood is more of a light rusty color. Not dark brown found in Black Walnut.
Title: Re: Oak or Ash?
Post by: LeeB on January 25, 2013, 10:11:21 AM
Uh, anybody ever try to split pecan or hickory? Still looks like red oak to me.
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Post by: beenthere on January 25, 2013, 10:41:48 AM
If it is oak, you will be able to see the rays. Looks more oak than ash from the color of the heartwood.
For sure not walnut.

But looks like more than from one tree, but OP said all from one tree.

Appreciate the better pics.
Title: Re: Oak or Ash?
Post by: wheelinguy on January 25, 2013, 02:07:11 PM
Never seen an ash like that, gotta be oak.  Can you tell just by the smell when its cut, oak smells..., well kinda like oak. :)
Title: Re: Oak or Ash?
Post by: OneWithWood on January 25, 2013, 02:23:04 PM
The top pic reminds me of chestnut oak but the bottom two sure look like hickory.  Both are very hard with the chestnut being slightly harder on a chainsaw.
Title: Re: Oak or Ash?
Post by: proteus on January 25, 2013, 03:58:29 PM
Going off of the previous threads from SwampDonkey which describe the rays of a oak and ash, I am pretty sure what i have is oak. If I can get a good pic showing the rays I will post it.
Title: Re: Oak or Ash?
Post by: WDH on January 25, 2013, 08:32:17 PM
I think that it is a white oak, probably bur oak, if the rays are very prominent.
Title: Re: Oak or Ash?
Post by: CT Yankee on January 29, 2013, 03:14:58 PM
Can't be hickory.  It splits too clean.  Hickory splits ragged.
Title: Re: Oak or Ash?
Post by: 5quarter on January 31, 2013, 11:18:38 PM
Definitely an oak but not a Bur oak. The bark of a bur oak is deep and continuous, generally not plate-like as in the pics (although I have seen some plate-like bark on bark that has seen some kind of damage). also, the heart is always an orangish brown. Bur oak grows slow and the rings are really tight. it's hard to tell from the pics, but that looks like a faster growing red oak of some sort.
Title: Re: Oak or Ash?
Post by: Jeff on January 31, 2013, 11:27:27 PM
Bark is not the same in every location. Here, Bur oak looks a lot like what is pictured. I'd say definitely white oak