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Started by Magicman, March 13, 2024, 05:15:59 PM

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Magicman

Both roofing contractors have been here, measured, made notes, and will furnish me with an estimate.  One would be all stick construction and the other would be all metal construction.  We shall see but I would prefer the all metal version.  I just hope that the estimates do not exceed my $$.

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doc henderson

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Magicman

That may sound good on the surface but it would not an option with either of these contractors although we did talk sawmilling a bit and one of them may need some old timbers resawed.  They have materials to buy and labor to pay and I doubt that either of them would be interested in a whack of 2X4's.   :wink_2:

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Southside

MM I think we may have a Palindromic sort of relationship here, for me 16 is coming.   ffwave
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Magicman

I finished laying this second tier on March 21. 
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It was laid tight with absolutely no gap between the kiln dried pressure treated 2X6's.

I took this picture this morning which shows:
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Between an eight to a quarter inch spacing between the boards.  I am pleased.

An odd thing that I found while handling the 2X6's was:
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I noticed that this one had a plastic plug indicating that the treatment facility had taken a core sample.  I suppose that they were verifying the pressure treatment penetration depth.

The plug was wood colored and you can see where I scratched the surface.
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doc henderson

MM, kiln dried after treatment by you?  or just standard lumber, kiln dried and then pressure treated.  The saturation, weight and MC of PT wood varies greatly.  It seems like a good idea for more refined building with it, to get it down to a similar lower MC before building.  avoid the big gaps.
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JD Guy

Quote from: Magicman on April 16, 2024, 09:29:56 AMI finished laying this second tier on March 21.
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It was laid tight with absolutely no gap between the kiln dried pressure treated 2X6's.

I took this picture this morning which shows:
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Between an eight to a quarter inch spacing between the boards.  I am pleased.

An odd thing that I found while handling the 2X6's was:
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I noticed that this one had a plastic plug indicating that the treatment facility had taken a core sample.  I suppose that they were verifying the pressure treatment penetration depth.

The plug was wood colored and you can see where I scratched the surface.
Thanks for the pics, especially those of the boards you butted up during installation. I know what I'm going to do when I replace my deck now ffwave

Very nice by the way!

Magicman

Quote from: doc henderson on April 16, 2024, 09:44:44 AMor just standard lumber, kiln dried and then pressure treated
Yes, Dried and then placed into the chamber where a vacuum is pulled, immersed in the chemicals and then pressurized.  

This lumber came out of the treatment plant the morning before I picked it up that afternoon.  It was soaking dripping wet.  I picked the lumber up on March 13th and had it all laid by March 27th.  I know, I'm slow but there ain't but one of me.  :wacky:

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Magicman

Another page in this ongoing deck/porch saga.  Yesterday the two trees that are destined to become my railing came down.

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My tree service guy uses an "Easy Lift" which will reach an incredibly 87' and will maneuver into tight spots and also can be used when the ground is quite wet as mine is.

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Here it is set up and ready for action.  The trunks of the two trees to be removed can be seen in the background immediately above the bucket.  They are both on the far side of the woodshed.

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He has now removed the lower limbs and is working his way up the nearest tree.  As you can see both trees leaned heavily over my shop and wood shed.

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Just moving along and removing limbs as he gets to them.

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This was a fun experience watching him work.

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Taking the limbs out of the top of the near tree.  He is almost at his max reach of 87' here.

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Lowering a limb with his hydraulically controlled winch.

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The limbs are all on the ground and he is placing bull lines in both trees.

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The bull line is tightened on the near tree.

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That first tree is on the ground so it is on to the second tree.

Below is a before and after:
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Success.  Both trees are down and the Pine tree that was not even visible in the first pictures is now the only thing standing.

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As a side note, the Cherrybark Oak that I was counting on to provide most of my railing lumber was hollow and no good.  Thankfully the Post Oak is solid, but it will have to dry out before I can either skid it out or take the sawmill to it.  The porch railing will have to wait a bit more.
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Magicman

I just measured the stumps.  The Cherrybark Oak was 32" at it's narrowest point and the Post Oak was 29". 

I will have the job of bucking and splitting whatever firewood that is above the logs.  I will buck a 16' and then the remainder will be 12' logs on the Post Oak.  I will cut rounds from the Cherrybark Oak and hopefully be able to get something other than firewood but it will be whatever it is.
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I wanted to make my deck posts and railing from the Cherrybark Oak but:
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After seeing the stump, I decided to at least buck the butt log into firewood rounds.

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But the chainsaw chips looked mighty good for a rotten log.

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I took one more round off.

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I was amazed that 32" up from that rotten stump I was into solid wood, so I bucked a 16' log.  The butt showed only a small amount of decay which I can edge around.
My next step is to skid the log out to my sawmilling location.  I only need one 16' log and I will saw it before I buck any more logs just in case.  The remainder will all be 12'. 


 
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MM, is that a poison ivy vine on that log?

I can't cut something like that as I am very allergic to poison ivy. Fortunately, I don't have much on my property as I try to kill it as soon as I see it. I do have some along a stone wall on another parcel of family land that I manage and need to find someone to take down a few trees along the wall that are covered in vines. I'll have to pay to have it done where I could easily do it myself but it's worth it in the end to not risk getting poison ivy all over.

Magicman

Actually that particular one is Virginia Creeper.

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It's the larger vine seen here and has "legs" that attaches it to the tree.  

Poison Ivy is easily distinguished because it has "hair" and is seen here on top.  

Also in this picture is a grape vine which sends out little "curlers" so it can get a grip and the curler is seen here in the center of the picture.

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I will take my "debarking tool" seen here on top and remove all of that mess before it gets on the sawmill.  My wood handle had gotten too short so I bought a rake and did a transplant.  I now have a "too short" rake.  ffsmiley
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Lynn, believe it or not, rolling those vine covered logs on a firm surface will loosen the vines.  You will still need to manually remove them but rolling breaks the connections between vine and tree.  Lifting with loader forks then rolling the logs off the forks works even better.  
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Magicman

Thankfully I can normally get by with Poison Ivy by being cautious and simply avoiding it although I do stay aware of it and where it is.  I do wear gloves virtually 100% of the time when I am doing any work.   
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More cleanup this morning.
 
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The last Red Oak log on the left is junky and will become firewood.  The Post Oak in the center looks really good and should yield ten 2X12's.  The one on the right will buck and yield 5' & 7' 4X4's.

And then it was on to skidding the tops out to where I can easily get to them:

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This is the last Red Oak which should make some nice rounds.

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I can't say much good about Post Oak except.....

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That it is all skidded out....good !!! 

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Post Oak is miserable stuff with the loose bark, moss, & ferns.  Looks like something from the PNW.  I'll have to knock all of that mess off so it won't make a mess bringing it to the fireplace insert.  I also plan to split it down to 2'-3" so that it will dry better.

My plan is to skid those last two Post Oak logs across my back yard and up to the sawmill Monday morning before the possible rain. 

I have sawing scheduled for next week so the sawmill will leave and then come back later for the sawing.
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TimW

Lynn,
  Why 5 and 7 foot 4x4s?  Why not 4 and 8 foot?
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Ianab

I bet seeing that rotten butt log made you glad the tress isn't leaning over anything important any more. Even if the tree appeared healthy, it's compromised at the area of highest stress, and one day it's going to come down. 

Good thing is that if the rot is working up from the bottom it might only go a few feet up. Other trees have rot getting in from broken limbs higher up, and working it's way down. Both ends looks good, then you get into the punky crap after you open the log up, and find it's an and nest inside.  :veryangry:
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doc henderson

Quote from: TimW on June 11, 2024, 11:31:44 PMLynn,
  Why 5 and 7 foot 4x4s?  Why not 4 and 8 foot?
looks like that may be where the log takes a bend.
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TimW

Doc,
    Maybe MM is gonna make curved benches and compete with @WV Sawmiller?
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Magicman

My cut list dictated that I buck it 6' & 6'.

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There was more loss due to grown over limb drops than to the sweep.
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I sawed both of them into 4X4's.  Got 8 from the butt end and 7 from the top end.

This completes my sawing for my porch/deck railing so the next move is mine.  Since I have pictures of the original railing I will use those as my patterns. 

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Magicman

Quote from: TimW on Yesterday at 09:54:17 AMDoc,
    Maybe MM is gonna make curved benches and compete with @WV Sawmiller?
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There is no competition.  ffwave
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TimW

Dadgummit Lynn.  You were holding out and didn't show us those. :snowball:
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doc henderson

How did you curve the back?  wet wood?  is the old wood mizer giving you fits? :snowball: ffcheesy ffcheesy ffcheesy
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Magicman

Old saying; If you never tell a lie you don't have to remember what you said yesterday.

The logs from my "take down" trees are now officially sawn.  I had several grown over limb drop knots that caused some loss in both trees.  My original plan was to use the Post Oak for all of my railing.  After I decided to cover the deck with a roof, I switched to the Red Oak.  Enter the rot, so I had to switch back to the post being Post Oak and the railing, etc. being Red Oak.  However it works out, I have enough material to build my railing.  I am wondering where the time is coming from??

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Rail building materials consisting of 4X4's, 2X4's, & 2X2's.  I can rip various pieces to meet whatever materials that I need.

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These 2X12, etc. Post Oak will become bridge decking at the farm.  Of course I could steal some of it for railing materials if needed. 

Anyway the target is now on my back.  That plus I am behind on a couple of sawing jobs. 
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