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Title: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on January 29, 2018, 09:49:04 AM
Just figured it'd be handy for there to be a place where anyone can post up pics of what they built or broke this week, without it hijacking someones thread.

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This is a dumper i made this week from a severely bent car trailer axle someone gave me that i shortened, and some wire decking and struts from a pallet rack, plus a chicom lift id welded a boat winch on years ago, and some conduit bracing to resist soak up the twist. 

Me and my son have been cutting and splitting OWB fuel for an old man on his pasture and my truck just cant drive out there, but his 4wd quad can so itll solve that problem.  I only get paid if the wood comes out and gets dumped in a carport.  Small loads to keep from tearing up the field.

(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/0120181656.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1516505277)

Not a terrible place to work.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 29, 2018, 10:36:57 AM
And here I thought by the title it was going to be a place to tell lies.  :D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Resonator on January 29, 2018, 11:00:13 AM
If it doesn't work as a wood hauler, you could make a mighty big catch and release possum trap! ;)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: sprucebunny on January 29, 2018, 11:51:55 AM
Panel cutter for 8mm polycarbonate greenhouse panels.

Edit: Didn't see this was in Forestry and Logging. Sorry I'm off topic  :-[

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on January 29, 2018, 01:28:23 PM
If it doesn't work as a wood hauler, you could make a mighty big catch and release possum trap! ;)

Id do better to bait it with a little copper wire and some meth tied to a 12gauge trigger! 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on January 29, 2018, 05:02:08 PM
Tiny forwarder. Well, kind of a cross over. Cross between a skidder and a forwarder.

(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/19539/P_20180128_170653.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1517263067)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: teakwood on January 29, 2018, 06:46:31 PM
Mike: Are you sure Walmart isn't missing some shopping carts?  :D :D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: JesseA on January 29, 2018, 09:43:34 PM
Mike do you have pictures of making those ring chains you built for your tractor? What size round bar did you use for the rings?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on January 29, 2018, 11:02:15 PM
Theyre not missing.  I know where they are. 

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(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/20161226_145824-1_zpspzph85br.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1517284500)


Man down man down
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Jesse i will try to find pics.  I think 1/2 for the rings and 3/8 for the rest
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: BargeMonkey on January 29, 2018, 11:19:05 PM
 One more project that will be wrapped up this week. Like anything I didn't ask around enough and bought a set of axles that needed more love than I knew about, what should have taken a few weekends took 3 months but it's done now, lack a few things and some new lights and she can be back in the woods. 

 (http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34634/part0_3.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1517279697)
 took some work to gut the old axles and suspension, all new brakes, cans, replaced every piece of air on the whole thing.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: woodmaker on January 30, 2018, 06:41:55 AM
I love the idea of this thread: there are so many fabricators on this forum,and so many interesting ideas. It may force me to learn how to post pictures ;D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Skeans1 on January 30, 2018, 07:24:22 AM
My last project before we had to move our shovel.
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Then cheap trick for bearing race removal run a good bead on the inside of the race I prefer tig for this myself but might can work as well.

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on January 30, 2018, 08:35:17 AM
Mike do you have pictures of making those ring chains you built for your tractor? What size round bar did you use for the rings?

Found em.. These are the jigs, one on each side of a cutoff, clamped in vice and had a torch holder and a rod holder so while i was working one the next was heating up. 

(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/20150620_170112_zpszdelg1iz.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1517318870)

(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/20150620_170202_zpstpoo2k3a.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1517319050)

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on January 30, 2018, 08:39:00 AM
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Then cheap trick for bearing race removal run a good bead on the inside of the race


Works great on valve seats and dry sleeves too.  Nice stick holster on the trailer.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Pclem on January 30, 2018, 08:51:34 AM
Gonna be a favorite thread for me too. Good idea Mike!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: JesseA on January 30, 2018, 09:10:34 AM
Mike do you have pictures of making those ring chains you built for your tractor? What size round bar did you use for the rings?

Found em.. These are the jigs, one on each side of a cutoff, clamped in vice and had a torch holder and a rod holder so while i was working one the next was heating up.


Did you bend the rings hot or cold?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on January 30, 2018, 09:17:02 AM
Mike do you have pictures of making those ring chains you built for your tractor? What size round bar did you use for the rings?

Found em.. These are the jigs, one on each side of a cutoff, clamped in vice and had a torch holder and a rod holder so while i was working one the next was heating up. 

(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/20150620_170112_zpszdelg1iz.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1517318870)

(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/20150620_170202_zpstpoo2k3a.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1517319050)

(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/20150620_170331_zpsc4uhvscj.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1517319145)

(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/20150620_170714_zps2p7zkcfv.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1517319242)


I don't know why I never thought of making my own chains. I think of making everything else
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on January 30, 2018, 10:51:08 AM
Red hot.  Dont bother trying to duplicate until you build either a wood fired or waste oil fired rod heater.   
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: firefighter ontheside on January 30, 2018, 05:36:42 PM
Technically finished this last week, but this is my log loader.  A chain connected to each end goes over a farm jack and lifts log up level with the mill and then I can roll it on with a hook.  Iím not much of a welder, so most of it was welded by a guy at the firehouse.
(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/36921/76EF186A-D0CD-4D1A-877C-9C77B799440E.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1517351649)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on January 30, 2018, 07:48:37 PM
Built bunks for when the basket is off, then headache rack and gear holsters. It passed the test, dumped real easy.  off to the cattle farm tomorrow with it.

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Skeans1 on January 30, 2018, 09:41:48 PM
Quote
Then cheap trick for bearing race removal run a good bead on the inside of the race


Works great on valve seats and dry sleeves too.  Nice stick holster on the trailer.
Thanks Mike, I remember doing it on a set of sleeves in a JD engine a few years back with the dual shield wire learned really quick how hot that stuff burns. The stand was way over due it's not fun folding the heel rack and grapples under the cab having to worry if you're going to drag some cables a long with you.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: bushmechanic on January 31, 2018, 04:42:22 AM
Well Mike I was looking at your trailer and the one puffergas was making and thinking to myself the rear axle that far back is going to put a lot of tongue weight on the ATV, which will take the weight off the front end making it hard to steer. Then I saw your solution in the front rack of the bike :D. Nice build and it's always good to have the kids involved.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: teakwood on January 31, 2018, 06:30:31 AM
Mike, you build your own chains!? :o :o

Wow! thats ingenious smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Stephen Alford on January 31, 2018, 06:46:45 AM
   Great thread.  Judging from your posts you probably already have something that you use to handle those bigger blocks. If not....back in the " dark times" we used longer wood hooks.  Just a shovel  , the plastic handle helped keep hands warmer. When you stand straight just mark it at your ankle.  Light pipe over wood and then hook in wood.  Use two of them and place hooks in the "ends of the block"  .  Note..these puppies leave a mark. Not so bad if feet are frozen.  :D

 

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on January 31, 2018, 10:31:53 AM
Man thats funny, i actually have a snow shovel handle and a scrap of rebar sitting there waiting for me to make one.

on solid ground this is my pickaroon. 
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Unfortunately the ground is never solid and it doesnt really go in the woods.  And it DRINKS the gas.   I made the dump cart for lighter footprint work and yes it is a little tongue heavy for the quad with a crummy turn ratio -too much trail length- but thats a short term power unit.

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 I have this kubota still up north that actually pulls really well, sips diesel, has great steering brakes and an appropriate wheelbase to match the trailer.  It'll be converted into the TSI machine somewhat like stephens.  The existing spindles on the dumper will become the pivot for walking beams, and ill extend the back more so its a 6 post instead of 4 and the load moves back.  No point in it right now, quad wont pull that much. 

Also, the basket pivot uses ubolts that match the hole spacing of the unistrut welded under it.  can be moved back about a foot in 2 inch increments to adjust tongue weight and tipper effort.  I mostly wanted to test the hoist before bringing it to the job and embarassing myself.   
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on January 31, 2018, 10:34:57 AM
Mike, you build your own chains!? :o :o

Wow! thats ingenious smiley_thumbsup

Trust me, it was a fool's errand, like most things in my life! 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on January 31, 2018, 10:39:06 AM
A chain connected to each end goes over a farm jack and lifts log up level with the mill and then I can roll it on with a hook..
(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/36921/76EF186A-D0CD-4D1A-877C-9C77B799440E.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1517351649)

Thats a cheap, elegant solution id not considered, i like it. 

Be careful with those farm jacks, always have the handle up when you switch from raise to lower.  I had one knock my head half off years back.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Resonator on January 31, 2018, 10:46:58 AM
Are those rice patty tires on your Kubota?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Hilltop366 on January 31, 2018, 03:13:36 PM
The welder across the lake from me makes rings cold using a heavy pipe the size of the inside of the ring, weld the end of rod (full length) to the pipe then anchor the pipe vertically to something solid, slide some pipe over the rod and walk it around the heavy pipe keeping the pipe over the rod close to the bend (like making a spring) . After you are done winding, cut down the length of the "spring" to release the rings.

The guy that was doing this said he was going to make a electric ring roller so he did not have to wait for someone to stop by to help push.

Also know a bunch of vocational teachers that made their own chains using a large machine lathe to roll the rings on a piece of pipe, they also made their own wood boilers and logging winches.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on January 31, 2018, 04:41:44 PM
The load is between the axles, so, it can not nose up. The engine sips charcoal gas.  😊

Here is a top view:

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on January 31, 2018, 10:49:04 PM
Are those rice patty tires on your Kubota?

Yes, they dig extremely well.

(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/20140917_173314_HDR_zpsi3b6yhyu.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1517456892)


Dumper worked flawless today, exactly what i needed to get up the hill ontop a muddy wet field.  It cut the number of steps down dramatically from previous technique, doubled production.  Very pleased. 

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: thecfarm on February 01, 2018, 07:03:39 AM
Glad it all works for you Mike.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: firefighter ontheside on February 02, 2018, 10:51:11 PM
A chain connected to each end goes over a farm jack and lifts log up level with the mill and then I can roll it on with a hook..
(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/36921/76EF186A-D0CD-4D1A-877C-9C77B799440E.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1517351649)

Thats a cheap, elegant solution id not considered, i like it. 

Be careful with those farm jacks, always have the handle up when you switch from raise to lower.  I had one knock my head half off years back.

Thanks Mike.  It works well.  Iím very careful with the jack and watch with each stroke of the handle to be sure each pin goes where itís supposed to.  The good thing is that when I lower it, itís empty.  I can just lift the chain off and lower it by hand.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on February 03, 2018, 08:43:30 PM
A winch that I made for the tiny skidder. It worked well. Drum had a toggle latch. Further up in the gearing was the dog clutch, sprocket with two pins.


(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/19539/Winch-FF.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1517707271)


Now it is kind of a cross over machine, half skidder and half forwarder so I want a different winch system.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 03, 2018, 09:05:42 PM
Didnt you have some vids of that machine up at one time.. Maybe on MTF?  Swear ive seen it with the gasifier on front.   

Would love to see more detail on the winch and how the takeoff power is achieved.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Dave Shepard on February 03, 2018, 09:13:35 PM
I made this rig for moving the mill and other trailers at a job where I had nothing with a hitch. 4" channel, a premade receiver blank, and some 1/4" x4" bar stock.


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on February 04, 2018, 07:40:31 PM
Looks like I lost what I posted. Below is the winch on the tiny skidder. Use a centrifugal clutch, chain goes to the dog clutch sprocket and also reverses the direction, from there the chain goes to the transaxle. If the dog clutch is engaged the chain on the other side turns the winch drum. the other drum side also has a sprocket that locks the winch with the toggle latch.


(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/19539/tractorWinch.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1517749067)


drum at the rear.


(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/19539/ttactorWinch2.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1517749164)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on February 04, 2018, 07:46:55 PM
This is the garden tractor with the gasifier in the front.


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Video.

https://youtu.be/XZh7Quw1Rfc
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Mountain_d on February 04, 2018, 08:41:20 PM
Those tire chains look nice! Can you post a picture of your stove for heating the steel? Do you think sitting the steel on a bed of coals in an outdoor furnace would work? Do you tig weld? Do you think it could be practical with an AC stick welder? I don't have a tig yet. Mountain.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 04, 2018, 11:24:09 PM
Wow, took me a few minutes to figure that one out.  Do you have to drop to idle to put the winch in and out of gear?


MountainD-  i used an oxyacetylene rosebud and it consumed a lot of gas.  It was just a hand torch clamped in a little scrap made holder, and a piece of angle iron that each rod layed in and i moved it every few seconds by hand while working the current piece.  Junk id tacked to the table then just knocked off after.

I would suggest hickory coals for a rod heater to save some money.  I do tig weld but that was mig.  No reason why stick cant work i guess. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on February 05, 2018, 06:33:49 PM
Yes, I had to drop to an idle. The chain has to stop before I could engage the dog clutch. I did not have a lever on the dog clutch so I would slide it in by hand. Even with a lever the engine would need to be at idle. I could release the winch any time.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: moodnacreek on February 05, 2018, 06:59:53 PM
A retired farmer friend makes ring chain rings from [car] coil springs.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 06, 2018, 09:13:50 PM
Dozer lost reverse while pushing concrete slab demo up into a pile.  Then starter burned up.  So i guess im pulling belly pan and trans right here.  Stacked some rock under it to make some crawl space.


(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/0206181512.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1517968887)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: JesseA on February 06, 2018, 09:18:24 PM
Iíd throw some short rounds under it. You could work it up a couple inches at a time and then get a hunk of plywood under it so youíre not being rock tortured and water boarded with trans fluid at the same time. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Oliver05262 on February 06, 2018, 09:32:14 PM
Mike, I don't envy you one bit on that job. I'm sore just looking at that picture.
Tell us a little about that forklift? It looks like there's something missing at the rear of it??? More pictures as the job goes along would be kool.
I replaced the starter last winter on a 1010 JD gas crawler. Had to drop the belly pan to get the wires off, then take off the carburetor and sediment bowl to get the starter up and out. The fan belt broke while I was trying to pull the engine over to check the ring gear. I pulled the nose to move the hydraulic pump ahead on the front of the engine, and we found the radiator was rotten and needed a core. A very expensive job  in the end. All to replace a starter that had been on since the 1960's.
The dozer was new on that farm, and had only been used to spread manure in the winter and gather sap in the spring. Just like new, with only a bit over a thousand hours on it.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Skeans1 on February 06, 2018, 10:01:59 PM
Dozer lost reverse while pushing concrete slab demo up into a pile.  Then starter burned up.  So i guess im pulling belly pan and trans right here.  Stacked some rock under it to make some crawl space.


(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/0206181512.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1517968887)

Mike is this a power shift, hydrostatic, or straight drive transmission?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 06, 2018, 11:17:33 PM
Trans is a 3 speed powershift and i hope the issue is in the selector valve on top but i need to clear out the 5 inches of oil mulch and get to the trans sump strainer. Also think i may have a leaking oil cooler line buried in the dirt under there.

The fork is a 1960s or 70s nassco, made in alabama i think.  Detroit, 3 speed powershift, think theyre combine axles, its open dif with bald tires, gets stuck pretty easy.  Chains would help.  Its rated for like 16k and goes up maybe 18ft.  Heres best pic i have of the back, nothing missing, just wierd lookin.


(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/20170111_131332.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1500861948)



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Probably the best iron money i ever spent.  I have 6 or 7 of those containers and the free camper shed.. Theyre all full of metal stuff from my shop move across the country. 

Works on logs too, go figure.


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Skeans1 on February 06, 2018, 11:34:01 PM
Might be worth throwing a gauge on the transmission just to see if you're even building pressure.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: starmac on February 06, 2018, 11:40:44 PM
Mike, I am sure this isn't your first rodeo, but be careful with that belly pan. I had a comalong I was using explode holding a belly pan full of mud and grease on a 641 come within inches of making my wife a widow, and she didn't even realize it.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 06, 2018, 11:40:48 PM
Wow, thats pretty heavy!   I'll use a chain and binder, unbolt it then dump it on the fork.

It pushes good going forward in all 3 gears, just not engaging reverse.  It was always slow on the first time reversing after startup, sometimes a few minutes then it'd catch and work fine all day.  To me, consistent with leakage in the control not shifting a spool to clamp the no1 clutch for reverse.

After a few months of sitting it finally quite.  Hopefully its some tired O ring.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: starmac on February 07, 2018, 12:08:01 AM
Hopefully it is something cheap, and the fact it has full power in forward gears gives one hope.

I had to do 3 of those belly pans on 641's that summer on the job in the dirt, with what tools I had in my small service truck, which was lacking for the job, to say the least.
That comalong came apart taking the first one down, I had a warn winch on my pickup and with a little rigging used it to pick it back up and do the other two.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Skeans1 on February 07, 2018, 12:08:47 AM
Could be a primary or secondary shuttle as well they'll have o rings and back ups as well, different application but I had a secondary with a broken o ring everything down stream of that circuit gave me issues.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: bushmechanic on February 10, 2018, 05:40:23 PM
Well today I had to make an exhaust system for a Perkins out of a 211 Cat excavator. Original parts coming out of the turbo were no longer available from Cat so this is what I came up with.
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20965/KIMG0290.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1518298409)
 
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20965/KIMG0287.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1518298283)
 
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20965/KIMG0289.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1518298327)
 
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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 11, 2018, 12:56:11 AM
That come out nice. 

Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Peter Drouin on February 11, 2018, 08:13:07 AM
Nice job.  smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: woodmaker on February 11, 2018, 08:43:28 AM
Bushmechanic,I love that. I did the same thing years ago with the turbo outlet on an International TD 20c . The 573 v8 would burn the cast iron up from the inside.I used weldable  malable iron  fittings from f.w.webb.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: 51cub on February 11, 2018, 09:47:43 AM
I'm following right along here. You're all giving me alot of inspiration, and alot of work to do come spring and summer
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on February 11, 2018, 01:12:41 PM
Here is my shop heater. Warm up my welding helmet so I get about 10 minutes of welding before it starts to fog up. Keep my water from getting too cold and keep my gloves dry and warm. Keeps the cell phone from freezing up and hard to use.

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(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/19539/Heater.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1518134530)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Resonator on February 11, 2018, 01:38:44 PM
Wouldn't hurt to up size the smoke pipe too, coming off the turbo, and "Let her breathe". ;)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: bushmechanic on February 14, 2018, 09:19:51 PM
My fabrication project for this week is replacing the front bunk on a 1995 Superior log trailer. Got the old bunk cut out and cleaned up ready for a new one. Now if only the darn trucks would stay away so I could finish it.
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20965/KIMG0291.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1518660648)
 
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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: lopet on February 14, 2018, 10:13:46 PM
What was wrong with it ?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: 2308500 on February 14, 2018, 10:24:03 PM
if it was like some of our late nineties trailers, the crossbunk was probably rotted out.   we have a couple b trains that have had most of the bunks replaced over the last couple of years.   it is still cheaper than payments on new stuff,which seems to be made thinner every year :)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: bushmechanic on February 15, 2018, 06:27:36 PM
Lopet it was rusted completely out. Owner had it plated in several spots to get by til he got time to replace it. You can see how bad it was by the holes in the bottom of the old bunk.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Oliver05262 on February 18, 2018, 08:40:35 PM
  I spent several hours this week--way more than I expected to--fabricating a front end guard for a tractor that a friend expected to use for bush hogging. It came out good; unfortunately on Thursday morning he passed away.  This one's for you, Art.
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34291/Art_s_tractor_2.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1519004227)
 
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34291/Art_s_tractor_1~0.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1519004377)
 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Skeans1 on February 18, 2018, 08:50:19 PM
Sorry about your friend.
Only thing different I could see doing is making the guard fold down for service small quick pins to the upright pipe and bolts on the outside for hinges.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: GRANITEstateMP on February 18, 2018, 08:56:05 PM
Sorry for the loss of a friend.

What was the green piece of metal on the bottom of the brush gaurd in it's previous life?  Always like a good backstory
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Oliver05262 on February 18, 2018, 08:58:21 PM
 I left room behind it so the grille could be taken out to clean the front of the radiator. If you wanted to take the radiator out, you have to take the grille shell off, so you'd have to take the guard off anyway. Next time it comes off, if I have to work on it, I'll slot the bolt holes a bit on the sides. It fit good when I tacked it together, but warped some when it got welded up solid. Hard to figure how much to plan for twist, shrink, or warpage. Oops.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Oliver05262 on February 18, 2018, 09:00:30 PM
Granite state; that was from a shipping support on a forage harvester from the JD ag dealer where I used to work.
The screen cloth was from the old guy's gravel screen. The pipe used to be part of a sprinkler system. You can't have too much useful scrap iron around, because you never know what you'll need next!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: thecfarm on February 18, 2018, 09:02:04 PM
That is sad to hear.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: lopet on February 18, 2018, 10:28:09 PM
Sorry to hear.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 19, 2018, 08:14:29 AM
Sorry about your friend.  It goes fast.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: teakwood on February 19, 2018, 06:17:45 PM
my condolences
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: lopet on February 24, 2018, 05:40:23 PM
Thought today was a good day to have the big door open and crawl around on the concrete floor. :)
It's almost as much fun as breaking through the ice with the skidder. :D


(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/15457/IMG_0004~0.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1519511656)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 24, 2018, 06:09:55 PM
Looks good.  Why are the torque arms and hangar angles so different?  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: lopet on February 24, 2018, 09:17:41 PM
No idea, that's the way it was on the pup. Maybe it has to do with the two sets of springs not being identical.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: teakwood on February 25, 2018, 08:30:31 AM
Nice work!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: pinefeller on February 25, 2018, 03:36:16 PM
 
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4x4, articulated steering, walking beam front axle...this is what happens when you acquire 3 identical mowers lol finally done. well, could paint it i guess....   of course, i just stole the engine out of my goodest mower for the lawn so i have a little problem now. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: bushmechanic on February 25, 2018, 04:05:56 PM
You guy's have some interesting uses for old lawnmowers I have to say, good to see it repurposed and a fine job. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 25, 2018, 05:15:55 PM
YaaaassssssssssssSSSSSSSSSS!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: thecfarm on February 25, 2018, 06:01:21 PM
I could use a small thing like that in my woods. A 40hp tractor,with a loader, takes a road to get it through the woods.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: pinefeller on February 25, 2018, 06:12:49 PM
well it'll only do about 2- 6'' tree with branches on 4 without branches. traction seems to be the limiting factor... we will have to see how long the itty bitty keyways last on the axle shafts lol
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/42463/IMG_0437.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1519599999)
 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: thecfarm on February 25, 2018, 06:18:45 PM
 Load the rear tires. ;)  I did have the wifes 30hp tractor in the woods. But that has loaded tires on it. I hauled out alot of wood on a trailer and some with the hyd arms. It did real good,even with tuff tires,but it's 4wd too.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Peter Drouin on February 25, 2018, 06:28:52 PM
Nice pinefeller.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: jason.weir on February 25, 2018, 06:38:19 PM
I've got 2 50lb rear wheel weights sitting in the scrap pile
They came off an old Ford lawn tractor - might even be the same bolt pattern?
Come get them - same deal as that Briggs motor - don't want them back.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: pinefeller on February 25, 2018, 06:41:56 PM
hahahaha sold! 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: jason.weir on February 25, 2018, 06:49:52 PM
oh and it looks like it needs this as well...  I'm gonna start making a pile...


(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/15805/0225181844.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1519602488)
 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: ljohnsaw on February 25, 2018, 06:59:56 PM
Load the rear tires.
 
You're 4x4, right?  Load them all!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: pinefeller on February 25, 2018, 07:11:14 PM
nothing beats shopping at the neighbors junk  treasure pile! any old antifreeze laying around for the tires while we're at it? 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: jason.weir on February 25, 2018, 07:21:30 PM
no antifreeze - bet a local garage should have ton's of used stuff sitting around..
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on February 25, 2018, 07:23:50 PM
I like that 4x4 skidder!

Here is having fun with 2" receiver hitch stuff.

The silver conduit tube is to hold the sun umbrella.
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/19539/Hitch.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1518134438)

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/19539/HandWinch1.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1518134271)

The white arm on the winch attachment is the brake when winching in. There should be a second one on the other side and a shoe on the end.

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/19539/HandWinch2.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1518134395)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: pinefeller on February 25, 2018, 07:31:34 PM
good luck talking my son out of it...he has been patiently waiting two years!!!

IMG 0431 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_x6XwGdDWQ)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: 47sawdust on February 25, 2018, 07:33:34 PM
Pinefeller,That looks like a homemade Pasquali,great job.Gearheads forever!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: pinefeller on February 25, 2018, 07:50:47 PM
i wish i had one of those! that would be perfect for play loggin! a pair came up recently on cl for $1500 but the real skidder needs new chains ;D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: lopet on February 25, 2018, 09:23:25 PM
Love your mini skidder, your boy sure seems to have fun with it. 8)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Peter Drouin on February 26, 2018, 05:36:20 AM
That is cool pinefeller.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 26, 2018, 10:26:18 AM
So its a belt drive pair of transaxles right?  Were you able to figure out a single shifter or need to shift 2 sticks?  Can you leave one axle in neutral?  


I used a winch fairlead the same exact way on mine.  Works good but i started off with it too low.  Morphed into this over time.  2 winches and 3 pulling locations, high medium and low.  

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/20150715_140255.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1519597764)


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: pinefeller on February 26, 2018, 07:28:39 PM
 
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/42463/IMG_20151111_132421_975.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1519690269)
 this is the jackshaft. i tig'd the pulleys together and the transaxles are hydrostatic with a cable going to each one and joined at the old blade height lever (now the fwd/reverser) the axles could be disengaged  but this was all thrown together monster garage style. i got like $50 into this thing and maybe a hundred hours. 0 prep on the welding. was supposed to be so my oldest could learn ''the ropes'' of logging on a smaller, safer scale. hope he's interested lol if it works and he's got some ambition ill find us a 4x4 honda for summer and use the bombardier in the winter. when he's ready....the c5 8)...then the fire wood is all his to deal with he he he...thats the plan anyhow....if not its was a fun project.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Hilltop366 on February 26, 2018, 08:06:48 PM
Added a cutting edge to my homemade hookaroon the other day, also added a bit more hook and sharpened it.

Before
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After
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/18975/20180215_155501.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1519693026)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Stephen Alford on February 27, 2018, 08:33:14 AM
   One problem with tractors well even my ol skidder were breaks. The machines have them but there are trust issues.  Had added pinable shanks to the winch. With the adjustable height and direction I found they worked great for the price.

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12754/21cid_181.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1508032718)

Wanted to add them to the front as well.  Neutral...forward...reverse.  Put a couple posts to see if they will help with shoving tops.  Has to be a simple configuration or the tops hook and back up when the tractor does.  We shall see

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12754/IMG_20180216_155842_28129.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1519737251) (http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12754/IMG_20180216_160114.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1519737279) (http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12754/IMG_20180216_160234_28129.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1519737312)


Nice job Hilltop but I can see how this will turn into a  "HOOKER" padgent  so here are 2 entries from ol PEI....   ;D (http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12754/1519736664543.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1520183465)

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12754/21cid_528.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1519737332)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Hilltop366 on February 27, 2018, 09:15:12 AM
Hmmm... you would have thought that the ones from PEI would have been the red heads! ;D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 27, 2018, 10:10:08 AM
Hilltop, how did the extra weight help on your pickaroon?


It turns out i really like making handles. And have an infinite supply of handle blank rejects to whittle on.  Maybe time to look for an anvil.  I always did like hammering on things. 

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/0221180801a-1.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1519744009)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Stephen Alford on February 27, 2018, 10:59:45 AM
  


Just refurbished a couple of ol puppies for the kids as well. :) 

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12754/21cid_154.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1519747050)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Hilltop366 on February 27, 2018, 04:04:27 PM
Hilltop, how did the extra weight help on your pickaroon?


It wasn't a very big piece of metal (1.5" x 2" x 1/4") so not really much difference, I use it for picking up firewood blocks for splitting.

I left it in the tractor and my brother tried it, once he bounced it off a block and just missed his knee with the hook he put it back in the cab and went and got his pulp hook.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 27, 2018, 05:11:18 PM
Dang stephen those are pretty
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Bert on March 02, 2018, 11:12:58 AM
 (http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/23363/IMG_0360.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1520006871)


Spent a month of Sundays building this and just got done (enough to try it out anyway) yesterday. Took my 923 army truck and added a pto to the allison auto + pump, loader, and lines from an old landing truck I had and made myself a 6x6 log hauler. Not sure if you'd consider it a forwarder or  log truck. Need to make up a headache rack to lay the boom on. As it is, sticks up about 17'.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: coxy on March 02, 2018, 12:16:47 PM
did you double the frame back there 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Bert on March 02, 2018, 12:40:35 PM
I boxed and double plated the frame from the tires back. Welded the box and welded + bolted the plate. I dont think its going anywhere. I dont want the loader falling off.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on March 02, 2018, 12:46:50 PM
Im anxious to see how that works out for you.  Is your rig open diffs or lockers?  How long are those beds?

If you have the cummins 8.3 with MW pump thats a real easy truck to get a little more snot out of.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Bert on March 02, 2018, 02:08:17 PM
No lockers on this. Honestly it will go anywhere (aside from snow/ice) without the front axle. Ive used the full 6x6 maybe 3-4 times in the 3 yrs ive had it. The bed is 14'6". Plan to remove the drop sides and add standards. It does have the 8.3 cummins but i havent played with that yet. I used to use it to haul lumber out of my muddy mill site but got a better road truck for that so repurposed this one.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: bushmechanic on March 02, 2018, 05:16:47 PM
Nice truck there Bert, we used to use those in the woods hauling logs. That looks like a Husky loader is it?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Bert on March 02, 2018, 07:05:50 PM
Iím really not sure what brand the loader is. No names or numbers on it anywhere. When I got it years ago it had a scrap grapple on it. Replaced that with bypass grapple from an old barko. The loader has some wear and is a little sloppy but works ok for my small operation.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: coxy on March 02, 2018, 10:09:57 PM
looks just like the husky 100 i use in the winter 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Firewoodjoe on March 04, 2018, 07:17:50 AM
Well I see everyone else on this post figured Iíd show my most important project. I miss my pickup! Photos Iím doing rear spring hangers fuel pump Reece hitch new bumper and Iíve got a good box to put back on. Then Iíve got new fenders and doors for her also. The spring bracket shown I built in a few hours. They didnít stock the front/rear so I built them.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Firewoodjoe on March 04, 2018, 07:22:31 AM
 (http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34659/C50B685D-E35F-4510-918C-ED4D7CF583AD.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1520165563) (http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34659/9E960DF2-D4E4-40A3-8A27-377597DA3F8E.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1520165551)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on March 04, 2018, 10:27:48 AM
I see what you did there.  Came out great.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: bushmechanic on March 04, 2018, 10:38:12 AM
That's better than Ford could have done it, at least there's a little meat on it! Good job.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Firewoodjoe on March 04, 2018, 11:49:44 AM
Thanks. Prolly over kill but itís what I had.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on March 06, 2018, 10:32:08 PM
I made a rock bucket from 1" barstock.  


(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/0305181415_HDR-1.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1520392821)

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/0222181711a.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1520392861)


Tonight added a pretty basic winch mount to my stump grapple.  If i had any steel or cash id have done different but this was what i had.  Gives me a way to pull logs out of spots i cant get to, or help the machine get unstuck.


(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/0306181754_HDR.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1520392871)


(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/0306181753_HDR.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1520392883)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: luvmexfood on March 07, 2018, 01:32:29 AM
Reading the two above posts they have a common theme in choice of materials. "It's what I had". Good to know I am not the only one who will make or fix something using what I had. I have some of what may be the oldest steel used in projects. Down the road from me an old river bridge washed out in 1977. I was able to salvage some of the steel off of it around 1982. Bridge was built around 1897 so I am using 120 year old steel.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Firewoodjoe on March 07, 2018, 05:24:36 AM
That steel is prolly better than some today. A 20 year old truck frame is more rusted than a 1950 truck. Sad. All that scrap we hauled in were paying for!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on March 07, 2018, 11:18:10 AM
Yeah i have a boatload of structural steel sitting up north and need it here so badly.  Metal is quite precious in the rural AG south.

The barstock in that rock bucket is 1" hotroll turnbuckles from a metal building thats been laying in a cow field for 20 years.  No idea when it came down or went up but im geussing it was a while.  I cut split and hauled 3 ricks out of the pasture for them.  Lotta work but i needed the bucket.  Would have been $20 of metal in my past life. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Resonator on March 07, 2018, 01:52:17 PM
X2 on old steel being better than some today. Just had to replace the oil pan (hole rusted through) on my 2007 pickup. $800 repair bill. (http://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/shocked.gif) Dealer had to lift the engine to replace it.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: starmac on March 07, 2018, 02:38:10 PM
Old steel is better in some ways, but steel has evolved too, at least some alloys. It does seem like old steel resisted rust more than newer steels, and I have a few examples.

At a farm auction I bought a big hand crank one lung wisconsin engine. The farmer was a friend and toled me I wasted my money, claimed he had had it 30 years and it had never run. The gas tank was naturally empty and empty tanks rust, the inside of that tank looked like clean stainless steel.

I have several old guns made in the teens and 20's that even when I lived on the gulf coast and a new gun would get a light film of rust in a matter of hours, the old ones never even tried to rust.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on March 07, 2018, 03:00:48 PM
Probably had a little more chromium back then. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: starmac on March 07, 2018, 03:32:18 PM
What ever it is, I know steel for firearms has come a long way and some of it will stand considerable more pressure than the older ones, but it came at a loss as far as rusting goes.

I have no need to load my ammo crazy, so the pressures are not anything that concerns me, even the old model 99 made in 1932 is a fairly high pressure round.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on March 07, 2018, 03:38:10 PM
Today i meshed in the bottom with more 5/8 rebar.  

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/0307181328a.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1520454586)

Granted it now requires a drier dirt in order to fall through the grate, but i do like the size of rock it recovers now. Its very good at going into a wet pile and breaking things up to dry rapidly or rake out.  The crumbs that fall out have a lot of surface area exposed for evaporation. A dumptruck pile of clay is always wet and clumpy even in a drought so you have to kinda smear it around to let it dry before its workable. 

 Also this will help with getting more stabile clay for roadbase.  When you can break it apart and let the rain wash the really loose silty stuff out, whats left behind is much more load bearing.  Im pretty happy with it.  Eventually side plates and a mesh grapple clam will make it shake out dirt twice as fast.  

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/0307181328.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1520453194)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: starmac on March 07, 2018, 03:48:43 PM
Shoot, looks like a portable grizzly, I can  see where a couple of different sizes would even be handy.

I take it you got your bobcat repaired.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on March 07, 2018, 03:57:41 PM
Dont jinx it!  Every turn of the key is like russian roullette. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: teakwood on March 12, 2018, 07:33:40 PM
After 2 O-Ring changes i bite the bullet and had a new steering cylinder fabricated. New rod, barrel and seals and 3/4 day of fabrication and 550$ later(http://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/cry.gif). At least it will outlast the skidder

The old rod
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/37555/20180309_122325.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1520897078)
old barrel
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/37555/20180309_122348.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1520897075)

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/37555/20180309_150357.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1520897128)

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/37555/20180312_125136.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1520897223)
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/37555/20180309_150345.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1520897217)
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/37555/20180309_152918.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1520897165)

all new and shiny 
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/37555/20180312_143819.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1520897253)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: bushmechanic on March 12, 2018, 08:13:08 PM
That's some pretty tidy stick welding done on that barrel! Whoever did that got some skills. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: teakwood on March 12, 2018, 09:48:59 PM
the boss of the workshop is 72 and I always spend more time there than necessary just to chat with him, he is like a walking cyclopedia on metalwork. i have great respect for him and have learned alot over the years.
If he fixes it then he does it right! he also knows how to charge(http://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)

he has 4 workers and they all weld pretty good, they are all costaricans. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on March 13, 2018, 12:36:53 AM
Is that really stick?  It looks tigged from here.  Exceptional if its an arc weld.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: teakwood on March 13, 2018, 07:31:33 AM
It's stick, i stand beside the worker with a extra mask trying to learn something more. that guy has a steady hand!
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Post by: GRANITEstateMP on March 13, 2018, 07:44:46 AM
Very nice! My talent dtops at unbolting and removing the old cylinder.
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Post by: Resonator on March 13, 2018, 09:35:06 AM
$550 was money well spent, especially if your able to steer, and not drive into a tree. (http://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/shocked.gif) (And drive into the trees you want to drive into. (http://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/wink.gif))
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on March 13, 2018, 09:56:04 AM
Im impressed.  

Was the tube honed or lathe finish?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: lopet on March 13, 2018, 06:49:44 PM
It's stick, i stand beside the worker with a extra mask trying to learn something more. that guy has a steady hand!
Did you turn the barrel while he was welding ?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Peter Drouin on March 13, 2018, 06:57:08 PM
Very nice job.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: teakwood on March 13, 2018, 09:46:14 PM
Im impressed.  

Was the tube honed or lathe finish?
We buy them already done by the cm you need. they come exact form the fabric.
it says USA on the tube. the tube was just 120$, the rod was the expensive part 250$
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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: teakwood on March 13, 2018, 09:52:20 PM
It's stick, i stand beside the worker with a extra mask trying to learn something more. that guy has a steady hand!
Did you turn the barrel while he was welding ?
they have like a little stand with 4 roller bearings (like a stone wash tromel ) so the barrel can turn on the spot. he turned it with one hand and welded it with the other(http://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/shocked.gif)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Grizzly on March 19, 2018, 05:29:24 PM



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Nothing to do with sawmilling but a little something my son made for us. Only had one fire in it yet but it seems to be all it should be. I like it. Probably the best way to use a split rim anyway!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on March 19, 2018, 10:23:46 PM
Started the hydraulic pump bracket.

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The filter is sold as a return filter. Seems like it would make more sense to use it as a suction filter. The pump is about 2 or 3 gallons per minute and the filter is rated at 7 GPM. Any idea if it could be used as a suction filter or maybe that would cause too much inlet restriction?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: starmac on March 20, 2018, 12:29:46 AM
Filters like that are generally on the return side, they will suck the gaskets in on the suction side.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on March 20, 2018, 11:14:59 AM
@ puffergas, dont do it.  Let the pump pull freely and filter the exhaust side of the valve. Put a valvecover breather/filter on the tank for venting.  Thats where a lot of trash gets in. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on March 20, 2018, 10:55:15 PM
Thanks guys! the odd thing is that I decided not to install a valve, no room. I'll just clutch the v-belt that powers the pump. And, if I figured correctly, the engine will be the relief valve. The hydraulic motor will be the capstan winch.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on March 21, 2018, 04:00:27 AM
if all you need is one way capstan then thatll do it.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on March 24, 2018, 04:26:10 PM
Finally got this wired up.  Its not fast like a forestry winch and doesnt freespool very easy, but otherwise worked better than expected.  The machine couldnt drag them in the rain but the winch didnt even groan, nor did the grapple close or machine walk like i anticipated. 

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 Completely opened up a window to fetch wood from where i couldnt drive up to it.  Have a cleanup job that requires winching blowdowns up onto the road shoulder of a campground,  so i can grapple and load them on the trailer.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: luvmexfood on March 25, 2018, 04:36:05 AM
Finally got this wired up.  Its not fast like a forestry winch and doesnt freespool very easy, but otherwise worked better than expected.  The machine couldnt drag them in the rain but the winch didnt even groan, nor did the grapple close or machine walk like i anticipated.

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 Completely opened up a window to fetch wood from where i couldnt drive up to it.  Have a cleanup job that requires winching blowdowns up onto the road shoulder of a campground,  so i can grapple and load them on the trailer.
I have to bring some larger oak up a hill to steep to get the tractor down. 
I need to bring some larger oak up a hill that is to steep to put the tractor on and it probably wouldn't pull them anyway. Was wondering if I mounted my electric winch on the tractor scraper blade if it would dig in enough to prevent pulling the tractor backwards. I know it would be slow but got more time than money.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on March 25, 2018, 10:07:56 AM
Do you have a front end loader on it or just a 3pt?  Which end is your battery at?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: luvmexfood on March 25, 2018, 04:30:24 PM
No FEL just 3 point hitch. Electrical is no problem. I have a set of extra heavy duty long jumper cables that I can connect in a minute. That's actually how I do it on the trailer. Never did get around to running a dedicated set of cables back to trailer and putting on a connecter. Just get the cables out, pop the hood, and hook up. They are like 2 gauge.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on March 25, 2018, 10:05:28 PM
The higher you can get the cable to pull from the better is all i can say for sure.  Tested it out today actually.. Dragged a pair of 20 foot+ firewood stems through my stump dump just to see.  I couldnt pull them straight through or without the stabilizer log but once in the air and braced against that post they walked right over.  

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Im calling it the "Redneck Skyline."

Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on April 08, 2018, 07:54:51 PM
Picked up another junk Cub Cadet today and had to push the crossover out to bring the cub in. Thought I would take a photo out in the sun light. Finding or making a hydraulic tank has become a problem. Maybe out of a PVC pipe. Largest size I have is only 4" but I have two elbows. Could make it U shaped. A 12" length of 4" pipe is only about half a gallon. Six inch pvc pipe would be nice but hard to find and expensive. The tank needs to fit under and or along where the hydraulic motor/capstan-winch is.

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: ljohnsaw on April 08, 2018, 08:03:49 PM

Finding or making a hydraulic tank has become a problem.
What about using an old disposable helium tank?  I've seen some bigger ones that might be close to 2 gallons.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on April 08, 2018, 08:34:04 PM
I have used and expired 20lb Propane tank for a hydraulic reservoir. Worked very well.
 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 08, 2018, 10:58:54 PM
I have a pair of case 400 series tractors, one runner and one roller.. That im gonna combine like you did.  Be like a mini iron mule.  For all the hype, it was a really disappointing machine as a tractor, lot of potential but poor ergonomics.  the transaxles are the cats meow though.

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 08, 2018, 11:26:38 PM
While back i made this hickory handle and am finally fitting the head onto it.  My kid found it in the dirt all rusted up and mushroomed real bad from driving a steel wedge.  I cleaned it up and cut out the notch to make a firewood pick (think copperheads) to keep with me at the splitter.  Head still has almost an inch to go downward, hope to finish tomorrow.  Theres no knob on the handle and its real flat to stuff in my belt or painters loop on my pants.  


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I also think i have got my parbuckle rig done pretty well and ready for a test run when kids and weather permit.  I notched the ramps to go on the rub rail, and sacrificed most of my few pieces of rusty channel to make the rest.  Pulley is a rusty wheelbarrow rim i stepped on out in the woods.  One chain and binder holds it to the trailer as tight as if it were welded, a pleasant surprise.

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on April 09, 2018, 12:15:23 PM
I don't have a helium or freon tank but I do have a propane tank. The problem is that it is too big. Hmm, maybe I could cut it in half....

Mike, the case looks like a nice tractor. The Cub I bought didn't roll worth a dang!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 15, 2018, 11:53:08 PM
Havent tried it yet, but i made an alaskan mill for my 395 out of a panel from a big square D electrical cabinet i salvaged, and some threaded rod.  Its a 36" bar and theres 22" between the rods.  Should get me some decent oak boards for the kids tree fort.  Still have to weld up a "ladder" for the first cut, and make a push handle and rope winder winch.

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My quad's been apart for a starter issue.  I finally put in a new brush holder and got it running.  Adapted the little winch tower off my garden tractor skidding attachment onto the backrack and tested it out with decent results.  

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Its much, much cheaper to operate a quad vs my skidsteer, and the quad is well suited to go in first, make the trail, pull out the limby stuff and prep things for the bobcat so i can get a lot more done when i do bring it.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 18, 2018, 10:12:37 PM
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Milled my first slab ever today.  :)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: teakwood on April 18, 2018, 10:20:10 PM
it's looking good mike!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 18, 2018, 10:25:23 PM
Thanks man.  Treehouse planking.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: barbender on April 18, 2018, 11:52:10 PM
Mike, that is a sweet "make do with what you got" slabber! To be honest, I'm humbled by your "stick with it-ness" and how you figure out how to get things done with what you have on hand!👍👍👍 Shoots, I'm still geeking out over that "Redneck firewood kiln" of yours👍
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 19, 2018, 12:09:55 AM
Thanks for the kind words sir.  I owe my wife a house so gonna have to just keep plugging away.  This is the first time in my life ive really had a metals shortage.    You should have seen me today waffling over whether to cut up a piece of bedframe to make the track mounts.  I felt like some guy on a raft deciding to drink his pee now or save it for later.   :D


Yeah the kiln is on hold until i come across some stainless fire tube and can replace all the wood down near the bottom with steel.   As i sealed up the leaks, combustion kept getting hotter. it melts stove pipe and splits clay flue liners in a few hours now.  Runs orange all the time.  the nearby wood smokes.  destined to burn down without some changes.   Its where i hide from the kids now when i need a break.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: thecfarm on April 19, 2018, 08:28:35 AM
Sorry,but all I noticed was a little boy with a little shovel and a big bucket. ;D Priceless,as they say.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on April 19, 2018, 08:29:53 AM
and his son (I am guessing) to :)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Resonator on April 19, 2018, 09:37:50 AM
They're not just treehouse planks, they're "Rustic natural edge slabs!" (http://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 19, 2018, 09:49:31 AM
Sorry,but all I noticed was a little boy with a little shovel and a big bucket. ;D Priceless,as they say.
No its okay we can talk price.  Ill give you $50 each to haul these things off.  Will even wash them before you get here.  Have carseats, some clothes and accesories to go with them but probably wont fit for long.   Youll have to provide food and toys.  Just show them your fridge and garage and theyll figure it out.  



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Sorry, keeping the dog.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: olcowhand on April 19, 2018, 07:06:08 PM
I already have three kids, but only one dog; No Dog, no deal....
However.... If one of them did the welding of that front blade, I might take em for say, $100.00 each (with splitting mauls and leather gloves to last till fall), and I can buy another dog.....
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: thecfarm on April 19, 2018, 07:16:54 PM
What's up with the tongues? :D  You know if you gave me $50 each to take them off your hands,you would have to pay me $200 to get them back. ;D  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: OH logger on April 19, 2018, 08:43:13 PM
What's up with the tongues? :D  You know if you gave me $50 each to take them off your hands,you would have to pay me $200 to get them back. ;D  

now that's the entrepenureal spirit!! ;)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 19, 2018, 10:38:01 PM
Get them back?    Let me patch you through to my financial advisor.  Hold please. 

"Babe, call on line 1, tell em we have no money!"

I built that blade but boy isnt far off.  My dad let me start welding around 10 but i think he'll be there at 7 or 8 if i cant find a buyer first. 


We put my collection of free hand planes to the test today and somethin happened inside me as the grain came out.  Whod have thought id find cabinets laying out in the woods with a chainsaw?

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: coxy on April 20, 2018, 12:18:24 PM
that's what i like about this place 99% of the people on here have one hell of a cense of humor   8) 8) 8) 8)   mike ill send you the specs to build me a new dozer blade for my 350 jd  oh you can use my dozer anytime you want just have to come to ny and get it  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D  on my way home when i got acrossed the mid Hudson bridge they had DOT check there was a guy throwing his hands up and pointing at his truck  had a red sticker in the window  :o  and thought is that mike ;) ;D :)8) 8)  :D :D the real kicker was it was a white international to but single cab  :-X :-X
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 20, 2018, 01:16:56 PM
No, that was some other poor shlub getting a shakedown. 

 If i was a contractor and needed helpers, id ask DOT for a copy of their ticket list.  Theyre always scouting out the working man.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 20, 2018, 02:11:37 PM
Was able to make some improvements to my Square D chainsaw mill.  Moved the winch handle closer to the powerhead so it balances the whole rig for one handed carry.   Then added that adjustable sling strap so the bar doesnt have to hold the powerhead up.  It was flexing pretty bad. 

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Also relocated the eye bolt and 'fairlead' hole so the winch rope pulls from farther away now.  This acts like a partner pushing on the far end and makes it real easy to keep the bar traveling square to the grain.  The squareness looks so much better than ratcheting back and forth. 

I shook the kids down for enough of the coins theyve swiped from me to buy a piece of 1/2-13 allthread on the way back from takin the girl to doctor in town.   im gonna drill the bar holes out bigger and swap to that for the depth adjusters.  Hopefully its rigid enough to control the scalloping ive had from bending the thinner rods.  Also gonna drop a roller bearing on there so the dogs quit grabbing the log.  




The quad dumper trailer got some improvements too.  This thing:

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I had bent the frame into a pretty bad saddle from the crane dumping the wood basket.  Too much load for the thin, two-piece,  stamped and spot welded tin shelving struts i made it from. 


 i flipped the chassis upside down and took the saddle out with a chain, binder and some cribbing, then welded a rebar tension strut under the bottom to hold the preload like a semi flatbed. It is much more rigid now when using the crane.

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If i were to build another id use sched 40 round pipe for the whole A-frame.  Round shapes handle torsion best.  Swinging the boom off to the side to winch a log in still makes the whole chassis try to twist over.
 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: coxy on April 20, 2018, 04:34:13 PM
No, that was some other poor shlub getting a shakedown.

 If i was a contractor and needed helpers, id ask DOT for a copy of their ticket list.  Theyre always scouting out the working man.  
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 22, 2018, 07:12:38 PM
Barn practice

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on April 22, 2018, 07:36:31 PM
Last weekend was the drum project. A bit too big for the mini lathe so the hack method was used. I started to think it was time to sell the mini lathe and get a real lathe but then I learned of all the modifications. So, I'll keep it and squeeze it for all it is worth, the mini lathe that is.

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Some portable band saw work.

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Next, grinding. Not perfect but it is a start.

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If this works, I'll try it on the skid steer plate tong/grapple with a larger hydraulic motor with high load shaft.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 22, 2018, 10:45:41 PM
Brilliant!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: JesseA on May 06, 2018, 04:01:41 AM
Building a wide belt sheave? I thought it was the start of a capstan winch at first 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on May 06, 2018, 06:55:20 PM
Yes, Capitan winch. I got the idea from my Chomper 14. It uses a hydraulic motor as a winch, but it is a standard wind up winch or what ever a standard winch is called. A hydraulic wheel motor would be an interesting option. I can no longer up load photos with Chrome, must of happen with the last Chrome update. Later I'll try a different browser. When I have the time I'm working on the hydraulic tank. Strange that something like a hydraulic tank is taking the most time but I also have a space problem along with a time shortage.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 06, 2018, 08:26:25 PM
A zero turn mower would be pretty good to cannibalize for mini skidder winches.  Youd get a pair or independant hydrostatic in and out winch drums with a mechanical load holding brake.  Hydrostatic transmissions make the most torque when you call for the least speed.  So if its struggling with the load you just slow down on the stick and it makes more torque. If youre fetching light stuff you can just crank it right in fast.  Infinitely variable. 


Only downside is no freewheel or remote control.  One could make a pinned hub or a dog clutch coupling if they really wanted i guess.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on May 07, 2018, 12:20:16 PM
The capstan winch is one answer to the clutch and free wheel problem.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: JesseA on May 07, 2018, 12:32:52 PM
Puffergas, how much room are you working with and how much capacity do you need?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on May 07, 2018, 08:51:15 PM
JesseA, I'm using a 5" exhaust pipe with the top and bottom cut from an old 20lbs propane tank. The bung in the top of the propane tank will be the bottom drain bung hole in the bottom. I also ordered some weld on bungs to weld on the side of the exhaust-pipe/tank. It is about 2 gallon. It will be on the side of the hydraulic motor post, set vertical. There would have been room for a 6" pipe/tank but I had a 5" in stock. I do not like the idea of it on one side (out of balance) but it is close to the center.

I got to play with my $55 TIG welder, welding the bottom on but ran out of argon. Just bought the torch to hook up to my old AC/DC buzz box. The argon bottle was from a junk MIG I had years ago. Just scratch start. That was fun!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Skeans1 on May 07, 2018, 09:42:07 PM
If Iím using scratch start tig Iíll flick the filler like a match to start the arc instead of scratching the tungsten on the work piece.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on May 08, 2018, 08:27:15 PM
Skean1, I've been wondering how to start with the filler rod. Do we hold the tungsten close to the grounded work piece. About the same distance as the diameter of the filler rod. Then flick by shorting out the tungsten to the work piece with the filler rod?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: JesseA on May 08, 2018, 10:19:39 PM
Exactly.  Holt the tip of the tungsten about as far as youíd weld with and snap the wire between the work and the tungsten.  Move quickly like youíre striking a match 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Skeans1 on May 08, 2018, 10:21:18 PM
You hold your normal work distance depending on cup and argon flow without touching the work piece you flick the filler down the tungsten. Iíll see if I can dig up a video hope this helps Jody shows how to do it pretty well https://youtu.be/-KS4TcXps5o (https://youtu.be/-KS4TcXps5o)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 08, 2018, 10:42:58 PM
HF start for the wins.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Skeans1 on May 08, 2018, 10:45:05 PM
High frequency is nice but even with it Iíll still flick the wire when using helium on aluminum.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 08, 2018, 11:14:32 PM
Scratch starts and helium.  Tell me this is a 1970s linde machine.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Skeans1 on May 08, 2018, 11:17:59 PM
Nope an inverter it has great starts but helium if it doesnít have a small scratch or the tungsten isnít brand new (reground) every start will give you issues. Now if I mix a little argon in the problem almost never shows up, straight dc helium isnít an issue either on aluminum.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 08, 2018, 11:20:11 PM
Why are you running helium? Machine underpowered for the thickness?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Skeans1 on May 08, 2018, 11:25:58 PM
Itís a 250 amp machine, once in a blue Iíd have to build up 3/4Ē or 1Ē chain guide for our old harvester.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 08, 2018, 11:30:24 PM
Ive got a syncrowave 300 that i havent seen in a year, 990 miles between us has been tough on the relationship.  She dont call, she dont write..  :(
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Skeans1 on May 08, 2018, 11:31:14 PM
 
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/47446/16CF856C-FD67-4EF1-A044-5DDE54A6D3EB.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1525836642)
 Hereís the machine and cooler.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on May 09, 2018, 07:29:29 AM
that was good video. would have been very helpful years ago when that is all I had to fix an exhaust manifold.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Grandpa on May 09, 2018, 09:58:50 AM
Skeans1, how do you like the Everlast? I recently got a 251si and really like it but worry about the lifespan of a welder with a computer in it.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Dave Shepard on May 09, 2018, 10:09:32 AM
Can you buy a welder without a circuit board these days? I've only done aluminum with my TIG. With 460 amps and hi freq, you just give it a little more pedal, and off you go. 

Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 09, 2018, 10:43:08 AM
Thats why ive kept my old syncrowave. My dads still got a linde ucc-305, they just wont die.  The issue is becoming that the people who carry parts and service them actually do. 


I used to lust for a miller dynasty when i was in the racecare business, and almost financed one.  Years later i personally forkloaded one from a robotic process into the dumpster at smith and wesson.  i think they rented another immediately and sent the broken one direct to miller. Who said it was the main control board.  Repalcement was something like $3k with no warranty and they chose to buy another brand new for around $7k all set up for the process by miller.  It was no big deal for them, they wouldnt even spare a spot to store the dead one for parts... But it woulda broke a bum like me. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on May 09, 2018, 08:41:13 PM
Thanks. I like the video. Those Everlast looks nice. Been thinking about buying a cheap-oh stick inverter welder. But Everlast makes one with a lower duty cycle but lift start and a 6010 mode for about twice the price of a cheap-oh. Welders sure have changed a lot since I bought my Lincoln buzz box back in 1981. Now a days some people say not to buy a welder that will last a life time because you will miss out on the new technology. Beats me.....
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: luvmexfood on May 09, 2018, 09:49:31 PM
Skeans1, how do you like the Everlast? I recently got a 251si and really like it but worry about the lifespan of a welder with a computer in it.
I have had a basic Everlast Stick Welder for about 4 years now. Just use it to patch up farm equipment. Does the trick for that.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Skeans1 on May 09, 2018, 10:08:38 PM
Iíve had good luck with the two Everlast machines I have my only complaint is the fan but at least you know itís on.

One issue with a synchrowave is the power it takes to run the big girls or even a 200 synchrowave, itís like running my shop master 300 theyíre power hungry and we were told parts for both will be discontinued.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 09, 2018, 10:11:36 PM
Yeah there are definitely obsolete parts from miller, but im told aftermarket stuff has sprung up to cover most of it.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 10, 2018, 12:57:14 PM
I still have to fix my winch, but i finally got the back rack and screen welded on.  Its streetsign post and chopped up pallet rack decking.  Holds all my chokers and keeps the hoses from getting chomped, which was the real issue.  

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/0509181814.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1525970865)

This turd of a machine has pushed out more than 20 triaxles of free fill the past month.  Ive gotten over 60 dumped and just cant get time for fixing the dozer, 630am sometimes theres 3 trucks idling in the road while i try to make room.  

Yard should be big enough for a machine shop and a sawmill by the time i get it all spread.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on May 12, 2018, 01:06:43 PM
Th last Chrome update fixed it so I can upload photos again. This is the start of the oil tank from two or three weeks ago. It is raining cats a dogs today so I will be able make more progress.

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/19539/IMG_20180422_165545.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1526144431)

Good thing I uploaded this photo because I forgot about the filter!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: scsmith42 on May 12, 2018, 01:21:44 PM
We're building some new hay and air drying barns on the farm this year, and I wanted a platform for aerial work.  This is what we came up with.  We started with a 10' long pallet and fabricated a metal support structure for it.


(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13296/Forklift_platform_started.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1526145460)
 


Braces were added to increase it's stability, and then we added a safety railing around it along with a ladder.  


(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13296/Forklift_platform_almost_completed.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1526145487)
 

In a few minutes I'm going to go out and wrap up the welding.  I need to add a second set of fork pockets below the ones already on it.  It's currently set up for my backhoe forks, but I want to have the option of using the big loader as well.

With all of the braces it is very stable.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: JesseA on May 17, 2018, 08:17:23 PM
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/48044/58ECCE2D-200B-4A85-A683-CA66DF9AB218.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1526601710)

Picking away at this project since I got back onto day shift. I make the rings in a coil, usually 4 turns deep.  The first turn is usually a throw away because itís nowhere near round.  These are bent cold with very primitive equipment, Iíll get pictures of that tomorrow.

When I get material theyíll get four 1/4 x 1inch wide 3/4 tall grousers each.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 17, 2018, 11:02:30 PM
Im surprised you were able to get them that round with cold rolling.  Pretty good.  

Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on May 20, 2018, 06:30:28 PM
Hydraulic tank installed. Just need a few more fittings. The fill port moved on me when I was playing TIG welder. I'll say that I designed it that way to give the capstan drum more room....


(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/19539/P_20180520_165501.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1526854739)


Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: JesseA on May 21, 2018, 12:18:35 PM
Mike, this is the rebar roller/coiler

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Hereís the results

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/48044/1CF235B5-2E8E-4087-8C25-336CFD0AE800.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1526908770)

Works pretty good!


Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 21, 2018, 12:26:44 PM
Yeah thats pretty slick jesse.  Will have to store that in my noggin for some other day. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Dave Shepard on May 21, 2018, 01:13:14 PM
Another way to get rings is to get coil springs from the junkyard. Already round, and high carbon steel.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 21, 2018, 01:17:05 PM
The problem is when you weld the lugs and chains on theyll crack off at the weld.  Spring steel has too much carbon for backyard weldments.  Needs annealing and preheat/post heat for long term good results.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Dave Shepard on May 21, 2018, 01:33:43 PM
Or Stulz Manganese XL rods, but they are pricey. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: bushmechanic on May 21, 2018, 08:23:36 PM
Your exactly right on the welding there Mike. I tried to weld some half links to a proper ring chain once, looked like a great job but didn't last diddly squat when it hit the woods! Now if I was to do it again I would weld the link around the ring and have it floating, live and learn, like my old man says " everyday is a school day". JesseA are you going to put some teeth on those rings?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: JesseA on May 21, 2018, 08:49:28 PM
Thatís my plan, make some 3/4 inch tall grousers out of some 1 1/4 flat bar, 4 per ring, hope everything holds together.  Iím a little worried that everything is going to rip off the rebar.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on May 22, 2018, 08:01:26 AM
I would be very concerned about the rebar. it is soft and flexible I would be alot happier using hot or cold rolled.

Rebar is intended to be encapsulated in concrete and resisting tension and compression.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 22, 2018, 09:39:45 AM
Only one way to find out
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on May 22, 2018, 10:02:35 AM
I really hope it works out for you. what I would think about doing is putting some pink landscapers tape on some of the pieces so if it falls off its easier to find :)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: JesseA on May 23, 2018, 06:04:24 AM
Iím sure that when the rings break theyíll be easy to find, theyíll probably be stabbed into the tires! 

Either way, this was a good proof test for my method.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Satamax on May 23, 2018, 07:38:39 AM
Thanks. I like the video. Those Everlast looks nice. Been thinking about buying a cheap-oh stick inverter welder. But Everlast makes one with a lower duty cycle but lift start and a 6010 mode for about twice the price of a cheap-oh. Welders sure have changed a lot since I bought my Lincoln buzz box back in 1981. Now a days some people say not to buy a welder that will last a life time because you will miss out on the new technology. Beats me.....
Hey Puffergas, if you are shoping for an inverted welder. I just bought this one
 https://www.amazon.com/ZOJAN-Welding-Machine-Portable-Soldering/dp/B077G7P71L
Not as powerfull as my previous IGBT one which is still alive. 
I just bought this because of extreme portability. 

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/19153/posteasouder.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1527075395)


(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/19153/posteasouder2.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1527075418)

Don't know if it will last as much as the other Chinese one. But for 100 bucks, i'm not too worried! 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: DDDfarmer on May 23, 2018, 12:39:56 PM
welded 5/8 rebar as grousers on the D6, been using it clearing land and the stumps and rocks havn't bothered yet.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 23, 2018, 01:34:02 PM
Rebar is my regrousing plan too.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on May 23, 2018, 09:06:32 PM
Satamax, that is an amazingly small welder! One idea I have for one of them is a remote foot amp adjuster, for TIG. Could bypass the adjustment pot with one in the homemade foot control or use a lite cable from the foot control to the adjustment pot/knob on the welder. Don't feel too bad about hacking a cheap (but nice) welder.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 24, 2018, 11:57:38 PM
Took my revised limb trailer and ballast devices over to retrieve some firewood from a clearing i did last summer. 

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/0524181854.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1527212968)

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Worked great.  Now if i could just get the ballast to unload it.


Also finished my pitchfork.  red oak sapwood i salvaged from a doady log, a scrap of a dish antenna mount, piece of EMT and some barn nails.  

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/0522181622.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1527213355)

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/0524181853.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1527213090)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Satamax on May 25, 2018, 03:08:49 AM
Satamax, that is an amazingly small welder! One idea I have for one of them is a remote foot amp adjuster, for TIG. Could bypass the adjustment pot with one in the homemade foot control or use a lite cable from the foot control to the adjustment pot/knob on the welder. Don't feel too bad about hacking a cheap (but nice) welder.
Chinese stuff is soo cheap these days, that i would rather buy a ac/dc HF tig with a pedal, rather than to hack this one. ;D 
But what you say is perfectly doable. With an old dead whawha pedal. :D 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: coxy on May 25, 2018, 09:07:29 PM
mike your son reminds me of me when i was that age never had a shirt on and would pitch a fit if my mom made put one on to go to town now  i have to have one on now cant stand things crawling on me must be old age 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 25, 2018, 10:49:54 PM
Were you perpetually covered in dirt too?  That kid has perma-filth on him.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: coxy on May 26, 2018, 08:16:41 AM
like my dad told my wife with our first daughter at 2     14 years from now you will be wishing she was full of dirt and grease   ;D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: coxy on May 26, 2018, 08:21:06 AM
i didn't have much dirt on me but had a lot old Detroit grease on me  :D 8)  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on May 28, 2018, 01:35:40 PM
Here is one man's review of the little welder.

TFS: The Smallest Welder EVER! Will it TIG? - YouTube (https://youtu.be/XI1phUMqOKo)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: JesseA on May 28, 2018, 09:28:00 PM
Well I got one done! A couple oopsies but nothing major.
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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 28, 2018, 11:28:52 PM
Nice.. Try em out yet?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: JesseA on May 29, 2018, 04:34:41 AM
Not yet.  Iím looking forward to though 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Satamax on May 29, 2018, 04:39:28 AM
Here is one man's review of the little welder.

TFS: The Smallest Welder EVER! Will it TIG? - YouTube (https://youtu.be/XI1phUMqOKo)
Good to see. 
I guess, the amps showed, are overstated, for sure. But it works kind of all right for me. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: bushmechanic on May 30, 2018, 05:09:07 AM
Nice job there JesseA , should get some good grip with those. ;)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: g_man on June 02, 2018, 05:41:03 PM
Nice set of chains Jesse !! A lot of work but they came out good.

I wanted to put some 4" deep stake pockets on my little trailer so I can use it for small logs and poles. The thing is made from bent up 12 Gauge (.104") and needed some reinforcement underneath. As you can see I'll never be a fabricator or welder but I have fun trying. I am liking that little EverLast PowerArc 200ST welder I have had for a month now. Weighs about 30 lbs and will run on 240 or 120 volts. Way better than the old bullet proof AC TombStone if it holds up. Never realized how much nicer DC was to weld with.


(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/21065/P1170826.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1527974523)
 

gg

Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Skeans1 on June 02, 2018, 08:20:57 PM
DC is awesome till you get arc blow it always seems to happen to me. Nice little machine have you tried hooking up a tig torch to it yet?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: g_man on June 02, 2018, 09:35:01 PM
No, Not yet. That will make thin stuff easier I think. I also want to try running it off my little 5000 W generator. Should run 3/32 rods at least. Maybe even 100 Amps ?? I made my stake pockets kind of overly complicated so there would be a lots of continuous welding to give me a good feel for it. Now I can try some other stuff.

gg
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Grandpa on June 03, 2018, 07:08:48 AM
Just a little reminder. The Everlast owners manual says to only run their welder with a generator that is rated for "clean power". Everlast ain't cheap and I would hate to see someone damage theirs due to a simple mistake. At least thats what the book for my 251si says.

Nice work guys, I'm enjoying this thread. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Satamax on June 03, 2018, 07:10:49 AM
G_man, i have the earlier version, of this chinese welder. The one without the tig capabilities. But otherwise, the same fins in the front etc. I have had it may be ten years now. It's tough, i have spent afternoons full burning 4mm rods, without a glitch. But the led display has gone astray long time ago, may be one year from new. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: g_man on June 03, 2018, 04:40:54 PM
Just a little reminder. The Everlast owners manual says to only run their welder with a generator that is rated for "clean power". Everlast ain't cheap and I would hate to see someone damage theirs due to a simple mistake. At least thats what the book for my 251si says.

Nice work guys, I'm enjoying this thread.
Thanks for the reminder. My PA 200ST manual says "can be used on small clean powered generators ( US and Canadian models )." Well I have a SVP5000 Generac that is 18 years old but runs fine. Mfg in Wisconsin but pretty old. I wonder if that would be OK ?? Any insight ??
gg
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Skeans1 on June 03, 2018, 05:05:58 PM
That would be a dirty power source, also you need X amount of continuous power. Clean power wonít have the spike some gen sets are famous for.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: g_man on June 03, 2018, 07:24:05 PM
That would be a dirty power source, also you need X amount of continuous power. Clean power wonít have the spike some gen sets are famous for.
Thanks ! I was afraid that would be the case.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Skeans1 on June 03, 2018, 08:40:52 PM
Now with a big enough gen set no reason you couldnít power it, Iíve thought about picking up an AHP 160 stick to hook up on a gen set for repair work in the field for 250 or less itís a throw away welder.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Hilltop366 on June 03, 2018, 09:35:41 PM
Some electronics don't like to be run on non-sine wave generators, After a storm with lots of power outages I heard of some people around here that ruined there newer refrigerator electronics because it didn't like the power source.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: 62oliver on June 04, 2018, 09:38:09 AM
 Made a few of these. Not exactly high in the "Daily Fabrication" skills department, but I will be glad I did it come deer hunting season, haha.


(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/39936/IMG_5294.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1528117716)
 
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/39936/IMG_5286.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1528117730)
 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on June 04, 2018, 01:20:31 PM
I just ordered this one from their web sit.

http://amicopower.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=86

The description claims some voltage variation is tolerable.

I wonder if something like a electric motor connected to the generator would help smooth out the generator output? MAybe a flywheel on the motor shaft.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on June 04, 2018, 06:02:33 PM
Amigo called to say that they will not ship until my address is confirmed (shipping not the same as billing). I confirmed and it made me happy that they would call! ! !. Have a tracking number now. The person on the phone sounded like a US of A citizen.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: g_man on June 07, 2018, 08:59:05 PM
One day last winter I got an idea for bolt on valve stem protection and cut all the pieces then put it all aside because I couldn't drag the welder from the basement up thru the snow to tack it up on the tractor. Finally I put it together today. Kind of heavy but it looks like it might work.


(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/21065/P1170879.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1528418048)
 

It's just a piece the shaped to fit the opening and sandwiched so it can't move around with the pipe end welded to the outside at the bottom and two sides.


(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/21065/P1170863.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1528418057)
 

gg
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: ljohnsaw on June 07, 2018, 09:14:29 PM
Very nice!  And you can screw a pipe cap on there to really protect it!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: thecfarm on June 08, 2018, 05:15:15 AM
A very good idea.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: ljohnsaw on June 08, 2018, 11:32:52 AM
Well I finally have something pretty enough to post.  My welds are functional... ;)

I've decided to sharpen my own bands since the local sharpening service is extremely slow/over booked and the results are mediocre (something I excel at :D).  I need to make three items.  A setter and an advance mechanism for the grinder and a de-setter.

Searching my stockpile, all the pieces for a de-setter just fell into place.  I had the timing belts replaced on two vehicles and saved the idle and tension pulleys.  Years ago, I bought a 1/2" plate that was some sort of automotive jig with lots of holes and some dowel pins.  Two pins needed to be removed and, surprisingly, they popped out with a few solid taps.

Turned out the dowel pins fit the center hole on an idler pulley perfectly.  I only had to drill one 1/2" hole for the pivot point and a small hole to mount the tension screw.  I ran a scrap of blade through it and it works great.  It doesn't remove all of the set, just gets them all back to something less than the target and eliminates any teeth that got bent way out.
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/30640/20180607_de-setter_a.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1528471725)
 
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/30640/20180607_de-setter_b.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1528471736)
 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 08, 2018, 12:22:07 PM
That looks great john.  


I have buckets, crates and file cabinets full of every kinda gear, pulley, idler, cam, coupler, lovejoy, destaco... You name it.  All stuff from scrap.. And all locked in truck bodies a thousand miles away where it doesnt help me today.

 :/
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on July 08, 2018, 12:51:35 PM
Been doing some welding with the import inverter.

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/19539/IMG_20180707_163401.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1531013197)

This thing likes to dig in and melt the butter.

I twisted off my rusted out trailer jack handle this weekend. Would have been better off to make a new one but I thought this would be a good test of welding rusted out thin metal. I almost always use 1/8 6011 with the buzz box and had good luck with it. Had some 1/16 6013 rods that never work well with the buzz box, I thought they were a joke.

Man, I was disappointed trying to weld this thin stuff with 1/8 6011. It was just what the reviews said about trying to keep the rod lit with an import inverter. No problem at higher amps but a beginner might have a bit of a problem. Then I remembered those junk 10 year old 1/16 rods. Surprise, they worked like a charm! Can keep a crazy long arc and make a nice high frequency hiss. Now I'm thinking the TIG stuff was a waste for me.

Learning to weld all over again.

This is my rusted paper thin junk weld.

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/19539/IMG_20180707_163410.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1531013272)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on July 08, 2018, 12:57:12 PM
Glad it works for ya.  Never tried one of these little things.  Whatd it cost?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on July 08, 2018, 06:45:40 PM
Mike, about $150. Of course prices for everything will be going up. Figures, just when I was thinking about a plasma cutter. Oh well.. No idea how it will hold up. Only time will tell.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: g_man on July 10, 2018, 07:16:21 PM
I want to be able to pull a trailer with the winch on the tractor so last weekend I put a 2" receiver in the butt plate of my little Farmi.


(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/21065/P1180048.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1531094487)
 

A couple years ago I made a bolt on 1-1/4" receiver that I would put on when I wanted to tow the wood splitter.


(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/21065/P1180068.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1531158768)
 

gg



Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Oliver05262 on July 11, 2018, 09:32:10 PM
Maybe should be titled "The Woodshed". A
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34291/woodshed3B_north_wall__and_roof_on~0.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1531359059)
 project I've planned for some time, somewhat overbuilt, but it's the journey, folks. I'm only doing this once. Frame isn't mortised-Timberlocks are wonderful things. I'll finish the siding and fill her up this summer. Probably add doors next year--after the listers look at it and decide how much to raise our taxes!!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: 78NHTFY on July 11, 2018, 09:57:55 PM
g_man:  nice add-on!  Should come in handy.
Oliver05262--if they raise your taxes, do that mean you've been "taken out to your own woodshed?" :D :D
All the best, Rob. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: thecfarm on July 12, 2018, 05:03:39 AM
Wood shed looks good. Going to put any siding on it? If so put it up green and when it drys there will be some gaps for the air to blow through.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: g_man on July 12, 2018, 06:39:04 AM
Nice shed Oliver !  Built to last a while.   Make sure you point out to the listers that it is a movable shed on skids. They might over look that and it makes a big difference. Their assessment will still be plenty high for a shed. 

gg
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: teakwood on July 12, 2018, 08:13:06 AM
Nice build! For what do you use that? Storage gardentools? or firewood?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Oliver05262 on July 19, 2018, 10:21:09 PM
  Update with a new picture. Siding is on three sides- 1X6 pine, still somewhat green and spaced with a 10penny nail. Already showing some daylight between the boards to let the wind through.
  Now to figure out how to finish off the open side. I'll probably just put the 1X6's down as far as the braces go for this year, with a header across between them at 6'6". Probably wait to make doors until next summer.
  Now to trade off some of my skidder repair jobs for some wood to fill it up!
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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: 47sawdust on July 20, 2018, 05:33:13 AM
Very nice looking shed.If it is used for green wood I'm afraid the wood won't dry.My brother built a similar style shed and ended removing every other board.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on July 28, 2018, 08:01:53 PM
Put some rebar sides and a back rack on my rock bucket.   20 some loads of demo have come in, with a mixture of rebar, scrap metal, concrete and native shotrock.  Ive been sifting the pile with it and its working great.  The fines fall all over the driveway where i need em.  Then i dump on the edge and fling the big concrete and block stuff over the hill.  Medium stuff gets run into the clay up top to make my road base.   Im picking out the stones for a retaining wall and so forth.  30 more loads to come.. Gonna put me up around 150.  Not bad for a burnt, locked up, junk gasser bobcat.


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Eat your heart out CFarm. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: thecfarm on July 28, 2018, 09:58:30 PM
I could use a burnt, locked up, junk gasser bobcat too. ;D
I am working on 3 roads now. One is being put up in the air at least 2 feet,one is only coming up about 6 inches,this is the truck road. They kinda squashed it down in one wet spot. Than the next one is where the forwarder came across the bog. Had plenty of rocks for him to cross,but the middle is higher than the wheel tracks. The wheel tracks are being filled in. Just want to level it out for the tractor.I have places for rocks 2-3 feet across and places for rocks only a few inches across. Good thing I can get rid of rocks. ::)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on August 05, 2018, 05:22:10 PM
Below is an update video of the think I call a crossover.

Video.

Forwarder Skidder Crossover - YouTube (https://youtu.be/0_c8VHzQnnE)

Photo.


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Satamax on August 06, 2018, 02:34:26 AM
That looks a lot like old aebi transporter. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on August 07, 2018, 12:22:46 PM
Satamax, I've thought about doing something like that with an old pickup truck.

Emmentaler HaŐąrtetest Teil 2 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/QMgfEWm4Pz4)

Aebi Transporter - YouTube (https://youtu.be/QEL4zRG5mVU)

A roll cage in in the plan also.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Satamax on August 07, 2018, 04:55:35 PM
Puffergas, Those things are extremely reducted, rated for 40kph. with small two, three or four cylinders, of 20/40hp usually. AG tires, lockers everywhere. Nearly unstopable!  Except if they're not loaded. 
Could be done with a pickup sure. Or even better, with an old toyota hiace or dyna. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: snowstorm on August 07, 2018, 05:41:38 PM
i saw a rig a few yrs back. he took a ford windstar van awd cut to shorten it cut the roof off along with the doors. said it made a cheap little buggy
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on August 07, 2018, 07:39:23 PM
Subarus.  All theyre good for.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Oliver05262 on August 07, 2018, 09:20:27 PM
  Now, Mike, stop that. They're Vermont's official car. F350's are pretty much the official truck....................
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on August 08, 2018, 12:27:55 PM
Why do you think i moved to tennessee?  

:p
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Skeans1 on August 14, 2018, 11:20:24 AM
 
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 I donít think the grapples have liked longer logs especially since they are on a log loader.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on September 04, 2018, 09:00:42 AM
I got sick of never having chains long enough to wrap around the bucket and pick up logs. So after buying a pair of nice choker chains from Logrite I finally made a set of hooks for my bucket.


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: thecfarm on September 04, 2018, 09:57:18 AM
Crusarius,good idea.
I took a length of chain,kinda like a smiley in front of the bucket. I drilled a Ĺ inch hole at the upper corner of each side of the bucket. I had to make the first link a little egg shape to get the bolt through the link of the chain. I put the keyhole part of a slider from my 3 pt winch onto the chain. Then I took the slider off and put a hook in its place. When I pick up a rock that is a little to big for the tractor one wheel comes off the ground,I can slide the keyhole over to keep both wheels on the ground. 6 inches makes a big difference. And comes in handy too if I can't reach something,I can slide it over more. The keyhole hangs just a little below the bucket,just a few inches.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on September 04, 2018, 10:26:21 AM
never thought about doing it that way. That would have been a lot easier. The nice thing about this is I have 3 slots on each side and 4 slots in the middle. So if I get really serious I can hook plenty of chains. Or I can just hook the tail to keep it out of the way.

I can hook from the front of the bucket or the back of the bucket.

Thanx for the kudos.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 04, 2018, 10:46:23 AM
I had all sorts of chains hanging off the backrack of my dozer blade and discovered that it wasnt always faster to hang every stem on that i could.  A lot of times the logs would climb over each other in a turn and be completely bungled.

 With a bucket you have the added feature of curl to help get out but with a dozer i could only set the blade down.  Ive had to buck a piece off the log to get unchained.  

Found that it was more forgiving to stretch out one long chain off the blade like a mainline and clip short chains and logs to it in various places then flat drag the whole trot line out. If it bungled i could still free the machine and then push them apart with it.  This also gave me a lot more maneuverability on the trail than having the butts choked up against the blade.  If things got wrong enough you could splinter a butt without realizing it when they were jammed into the blade and wedged in a turn. 

Really looking forward to a winch and sliders soon. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on September 04, 2018, 11:01:51 AM
Primary reason for this setup is just lifting logs to unload trailer and setting on mill. But I also use my tractor to move alot of things around. I try not to skid if I can avoid it.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 04, 2018, 11:19:27 AM
 smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Hilltop366 on September 04, 2018, 02:30:27 PM
 That will be handy, I have a couple of grab hooks welded to the outside edge of mine. Yours are probably far enough back from the front to avoid bending the bucket.

I was told by a very experienced welder to put the hooks as close to the outside edge as possible for lifting, my tractor bucket also has one in the centre that was put on by the previous owner and yes he bent the bucket.


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on September 04, 2018, 02:34:40 PM
mine are place 1/2" from the bend in the bucket. they should be plenty strong. we will see the first time I have to pick up a log that the tractor can barely lift :)

I almost just did what you did with the hooks but I wanted to be able to use them from both sides. My dad made some on a swivel that worked really slick off both sides so I made these to work both ways. Really love the extra slots to hang the tail of the chain so it does not drag on me.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Hilltop366 on September 04, 2018, 03:15:29 PM
Yep, you will know once you put them to the test.

I will caution anyone with a 4x4 tractor that pulls heavy objects with their front bucket to watch out for lifting the back wheels off the ground, lots of "fun" can happen quick! The higher the bucket the worse it is.

If I need to pull something very heavy or something is stuck I will roll the bucket part way to the dump position then back up to tighten the chain and stick the cutting edge on the ground and then roll the bucket back, I'm always amazed at how much I can move this way.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on September 04, 2018, 03:40:38 PM
had more than my fair share of wholly bad word moments :)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: thecfarm on September 04, 2018, 03:43:21 PM
Kinda like when the fronts wheels start to come of the ground,Step on the clutch!!!
Than when the rear wheels comes off the ground,lower the bucket!!! Seem like both times,both ends come down fast. Need a crinching smiley.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: g_man on September 04, 2018, 08:02:26 PM
Good idea with slider keyhole and hook on a "smiley" chain across the bucket Ray.

gg
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Oliver05262 on September 15, 2018, 09:26:22 PM
  I pulled the hydrostatic pumps out of a New Holland skidsteer on Thursday. Not a fun job, but the dealer let me use the tools to jack the cab. I was preparing to take them out the front, but in hindsight, I don't think I could have lasted long enough!!!
  Nice big shop, converted from a horse arena, with a floor poured in half of it. Even plenty of room to get my crummy inside! Summer time shop, cause it's high on a hill, and cold & windy in the winter.
Oh yeah, there's a 440A skidder parked inside, so it does have something to do with logging.

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 15, 2018, 10:17:13 PM
Im gonna need to do pumps and/or wheel motors soon.  Not looking forward to the machine being down. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on September 17, 2018, 01:26:54 PM
This engine followed me home. Plan to make a small table top sawmill. Turned out to be a C-153 out of a combine. No liners but more power, not sure if that is good or not.

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 19, 2018, 11:28:17 PM
Lotta fab lately, gonna run out of welding gas soon and be in a real bind.  My leased tank needs to go back to massachusetts and ill be without for a while.  

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Bar rail closer

Drop on sides for my rock bucket

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Track and carriage setup for chainsaw milling from stopsign and conduit.  

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Skeans1 on September 19, 2018, 11:35:44 PM
A bit of over kill there Mike on the rail closer, Iíve never used one always done the tap the rails closed on the harvester bars. For the saw bar once I switched to sugihara bars I havenít had to do any maintenance on them and theyíve been through two power heads.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 19, 2018, 11:52:32 PM
its surprisingly tough to close them by bearings, i was just about to give up on it. was spreading apart until it got to this stage so it's actually kinda minimal.  Id love to have a hammer style squeezer but this'll do.

  Incredible difference in cut quality once the rails were closed. This bar wouldnt buck a piece of firewood and now its making lumber. 


Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on September 30, 2018, 08:43:35 PM
Making progress on the loading arch.

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Looks like a pulley block in a tree for unloading will be next.

Not easy to make a video with the phone in one hand and the other trying to run the machine.

Self Log Loading - YouTube (https://youtu.be/kJezzRr2PYE)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 30, 2018, 08:55:08 PM
That worked out great.  Ive been thinking i need a pin on deadheader on the back of my little bunk trailer.


Youre at about half capacity on those back tires.  I blew up 3 of them then went to car donuts and just blew one of those too.  31" MTRs are going on next.  Wish i had the garden rubber foamed.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: g_man on October 01, 2018, 10:11:10 AM
Making progress on the loading arch.

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Looks like a pulley block in a tree for unloading will be next.

Not easy to make a video with the phone in one hand and the other trying to run the machine.

Self Log Loading - YouTube (https://youtu.be/kJezzRr2PYE)
That works good. Like the video. Much better than my method of lifting one end and then pulling the log up and on with the winch. Hard on the back and I need something up front to hold the already loaded logs from pushing forward. A winter project for me.

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gg
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on October 01, 2018, 12:11:47 PM
Here is a shorter video. It was the first test load.

First arch loading test - YouTube (https://youtu.be/KgQMTqiSOuc)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: cdixon4950 on October 01, 2018, 07:57:17 PM

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Spray Skidder
500gal. steel tank
Deere GPS
3 section control
Rate control
50' swath
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on October 01, 2018, 08:08:18 PM
CDixon4950, what is that??
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: cdixon4950 on October 01, 2018, 08:16:14 PM
CDixon4950, what is that??
An old franklin q80 I converted to spray clear cuts ahead of planting pine plantation.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: 711ac on October 01, 2018, 08:23:25 PM
Lotta fab lately, gonna run out of welding gas soon and be in a real bind.  My leased tank needs to go back to massachusetts and ill be without for a while.  






Mike call your MA guy. When I moved, as luck had it My tanks were leased from a small shop in MD that was bought out by Matheson but still call just Lee's gas. Matheson turned out to be close to Nationwide and they had a branch here in ME. I was able to transfer the lease with no problems. You might get lucky. Who's name is stamped into the bottle?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Firewoodjoe on October 14, 2018, 05:47:37 PM
Havenít shown much work this summer so Iíd figured Iíd show what Iíve caved up. http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34659/3871D48A-2318-4D3C-8578-9ABD982F696F.jpeg
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And this is the next project. Got it cheap but needs brakes and a new coupler and tube welded on. http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34659/04A3CB71-4884-4BDF-BC35-07E92AFB1FAE.jpeg
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Firewoodjoe on October 14, 2018, 05:53:37 PM
Mule has gotten new lexan new/used seat boom plated for strength with 1/2Ē then repainted the boom only. New wheel bearing and seal in rear axle. Lights fixed and two boom lights wired with wires through hydraulic hose/steel. One wheel welded and will also be platted some day. Power washed 3 times.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Oliver05262 on October 16, 2018, 09:10:52 PM
  Now I remember what it was like with shortwood pulp, but if this is the way I get wood to fill the shed, I'll get through it. Couple more loads like this and I'll have next years shop heat in the woodshed. 
  Tree guy clearing a lot for a house bucked it up and left it for me to load and haul home.
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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on October 17, 2018, 12:04:59 AM
Looks like youd put a lot of younger fellas to shame!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: newoodguy78 on October 17, 2018, 08:34:44 AM
There's no doubt about that Mike I've seen him in action,he's no stranger to hard work 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on October 17, 2018, 09:01:27 AM
God bless'm.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Bruno of NH on October 17, 2018, 03:57:31 PM
Mike he is a worker for sure 🙂
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on October 22, 2018, 11:10:52 AM
Needed to store this one somewhere.. Guy sound pretty sharp to me!   ;D

Hembyggd miniskotare - YouTube (https://youtu.be/WxjxAPypnBI)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on November 18, 2018, 06:12:58 PM
My 8 wheeler tore up pretty good on its last run.  I put 4 new springs and new U bolts to get by for now and turned it to a 4 wheeler.  Needs 4 equalizers im not willing to invest but also not ready to put in the full axles i want.  Just flipped it over and hitched up for tomorrow.

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on November 19, 2018, 02:17:51 PM
I'll add this video.   8)


Häng med på Skogsdag! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/0rFw6ZXHAfk)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on November 19, 2018, 06:32:30 PM
I love the bootyfab equipment over in scandinavia but i just cant figure what 30 dudes actually do with a few debarked fenceposts.  How can there be money in this?  The economics always look like sending 5 workers and 20 spectators to go fetch a dozen eggs.  What am i missing?


Anyways, dragged the new wood truck home today.

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: g_man on November 19, 2018, 06:59:56 PM
I like watching those guys work Puffer. Interesting equipment.

Mike, I see you left enough rubber under the trailer. Nice truck.

gg 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: GRANITEstateMP on November 19, 2018, 09:05:17 PM
Mike it's been a while since I've seen a Ford of that body style!  Must not use too much road salt down that way!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on November 19, 2018, 09:10:51 PM
Only on the interstate and maybe a couple major arteries.  Rural roads dont even get plowed let alone salted here. Thats why the south really shuts down when it snows.  The roads are crazy narrow, twisty, sharp ditches right on the edge and not an inch of tar to spare.  Very very few guard rails too.

Its not a "southerners cant drive in the snow" thing.  Its a roads with zero margin for error thing.

I still see early 70s trucks in service.  This ones in pretty fair shape, no rot to speak of. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: 47sawdust on November 20, 2018, 06:30:11 AM
I don't think the tires are big enough....
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on November 20, 2018, 08:02:40 AM
Yeah i know.  You think 18.4-26 will fit if i sawzall the hood?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Bogue Chitto on November 20, 2018, 08:27:40 AM
Goose neck trailer ripped off tail gate other day.  Had son build new bed. 
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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Bogue Chitto on November 20, 2018, 08:29:05 AM
 
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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on November 20, 2018, 08:31:43 AM
That bed looks great. I have been wanting to build one but don't have anything that needs a bed. It is hard getting someone to pay me to build one with where I live. everyone wants something for nothing.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Bogue Chitto on November 20, 2018, 08:37:38 AM
I know what you mean.  Taught my son how to weld when he was 8 
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 now he he does most of the welding at 21 yrs. old.  I mostly get tools for him.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on November 20, 2018, 10:20:40 AM
Good on ya dad. 

My dad turned me loose at 10.  Been a lotta fixin in the past 28yrs. I have never once had to go looking for employment.  

Jesse james had a coffee table book of choppers and pretty gals with a few pages of anecdotes in it.  One of them that stuck with me was along the lines of 'hey mom, you want your kid to have a job some day? Buy him a welder for Christmas instead of video games.'  

We have more welders than televisions.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: bwstout on November 20, 2018, 12:03:36 PM
Yep my dad started me a out at 13, went to work for the railroad now 50 plus years still at it working for DOA manging a welding shop. Still like building thing and enjoy this thread have use a  lot of good ideas here fixing my Shade Tree mill ;D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: 47sawdust on November 20, 2018, 01:48:39 PM
Best thing I ever did for myself ,trade wise, was to take a night course in welding 15 years ago.I'm not great but haven;t had anything come apart on me yet.I love being able to do my own work,welding,plumbing,electrical,carpentry and sawmill have saved me and my wife a lot of money over the years.
 This forum and the internet have provided a lot of ideas and practical help.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: thecfarm on November 20, 2018, 02:47:53 PM
Mike,nice line about the Christmas present.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on November 20, 2018, 03:33:46 PM
Its okay if the welder is a present to yourself.  Itll keep you out of trouble too most of the time. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on November 20, 2018, 10:54:25 PM
I got a late start in life. I was 18 when starting to weld. Dad got me started.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Puffergas on November 21, 2018, 09:41:41 PM
I love the bootyfab equipment over in scandinavia but i just cant figure what 30 dudes actually do with a few debarked fenceposts.  How can there be money in this?  The economics always look like sending 5 workers and 20 spectators to go fetch a dozen eggs.  What am i missing?



Mike, the language in the video is foreign to me but the event reminds me of out classic car shows or tractor shows.

The equipment reminds me of the days of my grandfather. Back then there was this farm community thing going on. One farmer would have a harvester and another would have a planter so they would team up and help each other out. So equipment was also a barter chip, like money. In that outdated community mind set I could see one farmer owning a PTO post debarker and five other farmers teaming together to pound out some posts for all. But we became much smarter and realized that those other farmers were competitors that need to be out produced and crushed like the bugs that they are.  ;)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on November 21, 2018, 10:08:22 PM
Not this guy.  I send customers to the 2 nearby wood dealers early on.  When they run out i start peddling mine and their low prices become irrelevant.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Stephen Alford on November 23, 2018, 07:52:19 PM
   Sure has been a busy fall. Winter has come early with wind chills down around -20 the last few days. Interesting the way these projects evolve.   Started out just wanting something to back drag the landing and access road so when it froze over night I would have an opportunity to get in and out on the frost.   Started with this 8ft bumper.

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    Worked great  ,then wanted to be able to push slash in tight quarters so had to narrow it in.The brush would come back over the the top so added 2 pieces of channel.
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   Used 3pt pin setup so I could change blades.  Then Mr Snowstorm got chattin about plowing with a v blade. Up to this point I had plowed with a scraper blade on the back which meant removing the winch plowing then putting winch back on. In good weather small job but a pain in sub zero temps. So last year made a poke at a v blade.
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   Well this year added a 6" lip at a 45 to keep the snow from rolling over the top. So if  any help to anyone sure am impressed the way a v blade handles opening a road. I have pushed a lot of stuff with blade and bucket but the v rocks. There is no kicking sideways and one pass can do the job. the 3pt allows you to change the angle and by the nature of the v it does a great job of backdragging and leveling.... anyway for what its worth....well $214.00 really   :D
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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Hilltop366 on November 23, 2018, 09:55:09 PM
And you get to plow looking forward!

Hard to beat a V plow, its amazing how much more snow you can get through compared to a straight blade.

The scoop function on my truck plow is almost as handy as the V.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: snowstorm on November 24, 2018, 06:08:47 AM
stephen where are the strobe lites?? gotta have em the more the better
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Stephen Alford on November 24, 2018, 04:18:24 PM
   I hear ya my friend getting right on it...going with da rotating red...lol

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   Hope all you folks have a great thanksgiving....if yer shy on a turkey their is a huge flock in Ottawa ;D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: snowstorm on November 24, 2018, 04:53:41 PM
they let you run red strobes over there? mine are all amber
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: snowstorm on November 24, 2018, 04:54:52 PM
what happens when the battery runs flat
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Grandpa on November 24, 2018, 06:12:45 PM
Need one of those chargers that plug into the cigarette lighter :D
what happens when the battery runs flat


Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Dave Shepard on November 24, 2018, 06:58:16 PM
what happens when the battery runs flat
Just grab another battery. 

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Stephen Alford on November 26, 2018, 05:41:38 PM
    Well in the spirit of full disclosure..... nights seem really black this time of year and I do have an excellent head lamp.  Secondly I have to take the battery out of the lawnmower or it will freeze. It actually takes a good 12v charge and is easy to store and handle.  Three lights in the bag with the battery.  A yellow flashing strobe. a work light and a corker of a headlight I can use while running the log loader.  I know....I know those voices in yer head are not real....but sometimes they come up with a "bright Idea"... :D
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Dave is that an adze on the window sill  ?
 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on November 26, 2018, 06:00:29 PM
As milwaukee 18v tools replaced all the ryobi junk i owned, the batteries and chargers just sat there.  Ofcoarse all the pistol grip flashlights had died early on and were just collecting dust also.  So i tossed the broken bulbs, bolted on a thick aluminum plate with wires coming out the front and then heat pasted various flat LED wafers to them from ebay leftover from interior light projects or whatever.  Id just wrap clear tape over the lights to hold them onto the aluminum plate.  

They will work from like 9v to 18 or so and you could get half a night of run time from a good battery.  I had a few of these and most were a real wide flood pattern great for putting around the jobsite.  I misplaced a whole duffle bag of these in the move unfortunately.  Would be a tremendous help now that all my repair work is outdoors.

I put a chicom lightbar on the bobcat and use that for mobile light.  My A frame ladder is about garbage, and i think when i get another thatll be turned into the mobile light tree.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Dave Shepard on November 26, 2018, 07:04:19 PM
   Well in the spirit of full disclosure..... nights seem really black this time of year and I do have an excellent head lamp.  Secondly I have to take the battery out of the lawnmower or it will freeze. It actually takes a good 12v charge and is easy to store and handle.  Three lights in the bag with the battery.  A yellow flashing strobe. a work light and a corker of a headlight I can use while running the log loader.  I know....I know those voices in yer head are not real....but sometimes they come up with a "bright Idea"... :D
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Dave is that an adze on the window sill  ?
Yes. I cut all my rafter and joist reductions with it. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Stephen Alford on December 02, 2018, 06:27:57 PM
    That is a nice looking shop Dave, I also notice you live in a place called "Alford"...that cant be good..  :-\

    Been gathering stuff for a small project. Wanted a work station that I could move around and take outside. Just the basics anvil vise hammer and tape...As you can tell a tape is optional  :laugh:   Went with the wheel barrow ...removable handles.  Harder to lose stuff when its welded to something bigger.

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   Had quite a blow this week  lost power for a bit, had to upgrade my mini stove.


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 Had one lady out crushing coffee beans on her deck with a meat tenderizer. said she could start the day without power but there was no WAY she would start it without a cup of couffeee  :D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: bushmechanic on December 03, 2018, 08:17:22 PM
Stephen what's the anvil for? Are you shoeing "ol doll" :D. Love the moveable cart, I'd build one if I had more room :o. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Stephen Alford on December 06, 2018, 07:21:13 AM
  You can use an anvil for what ever you like, they are fairly resilient . It was welded on the tailgate of my truck  for quite awhile. The odd thing was I never saw anyone in the rear view mirror.   It belonged to my father , his instructions were...try not to bend it. :D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on December 06, 2018, 09:07:20 AM
 :D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on December 06, 2018, 10:29:15 AM
Shack life. 

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 I think you can guess where this is going..
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on December 06, 2018, 10:37:23 AM
thought it was turning into a door and you needed a place for your head :)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on December 06, 2018, 11:06:45 AM
Not too far off.. I hit my head atleast once a week. 

The builder of said shack created the wackiest homemade, ill fitting, crooked, leaking concrete firehazard of a thimble ever.  now that the wifes little craft shop is in there it needed a real stove.  No way i could make it work with that thing.   

I still have to reframe, insulate and put the exterior back together but it worked.  Place went from 36 to 82 yesterday.  Knock that gripe off the honeydo list. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Resonator on January 20, 2019, 04:47:29 PM
Wood splitter engine swap.
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I mentioned this project in the "Daily Carnage" thread, and since it took a little fabrication to get it going again, I thought I'd show in this thread what it took to do this repair.
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The original engine and the replacement are both 190cc Briggs, however, on the pressure washer engine the fuel tank is on the opposite side, and it has a no - prime starting carb. Having sat for a year the fuel had gone bad, and the tank had to be drained out, as well as the carb bowl. After that I had to blow out the fuel hose, and carb inlet, with the air compressor. Even then, it took lots of carb cleaner, and sputtering, to finally get it running smooth.
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The other issue was the pto crank on the replacement engine was about 1.5" too short. I was able to cut a section off the original pto crank, and weld the two together. Luckily, both engines pto cranks had been drilled and tapped at the factory (for lawnmower blade mounting). This made it easy to connect and align the two crank sections with a cut off lawnmower bolt, and then weld them together. The original castle nut shaped coupler then went on, to drive the hydraulic pump.

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One other fabrication I had done previous was to change the factory ball hitch, to a link pin. That way I pull the splitter around the woods with my tractor, and unhitch just by lowering the drawbar. I also replaced the kick-stand with a pivot wheel, to make it easier to unhitch and move by hand.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: thecfarm on January 20, 2019, 05:28:01 PM
Like that wheel you put on. Good idea.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Bruno of NH on January 20, 2019, 05:50:42 PM
I like both the wheel and hitch
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on January 20, 2019, 07:54:16 PM
Agreed
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Resonator on January 20, 2019, 09:10:54 PM
Thanks guys. The wheel is also handy when loading the splitter into my ramp gate trailer. I can hook to the pin hitch, pull with the winch, and it drives itself on.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: tamarackman on February 21, 2019, 06:27:51 AM
Inspired by an earlier poster, my mini skidder ring chains.

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 21, 2019, 08:22:52 AM
Hey those look great, how ya like em?   Howd you make the rings?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: tamarackman on February 21, 2019, 09:13:18 AM
Hey those look great, how ya like em?   Howd you make the rings?

Thanks - night and day difference compared to just the r4s.

I secured a 4" x 48" round tube to my tractor loader. Drilled a 1/2" hole at the base of it and stuck the rebar in. I coiled the rebar around the tubing as tightly as I could sometimes using a cheater bar. I ended up with what looked like light car springs.

Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: tamarackman on February 21, 2019, 09:26:53 AM
snip
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 21, 2019, 09:49:19 AM
Looks good, did you build that freewheel?  What did you use for drive dogs when it does engage?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: tamarackman on February 21, 2019, 12:23:01 PM
snip
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 21, 2019, 01:36:18 PM
Brilliant!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 10, 2020, 05:56:47 PM
Few yrs ago i "broke" my electric winch pulling tops in with the bobcat and just shoved it in the corner.  Recently tore it down and discovered a screw in the motor drive coupler backed off, dumping the whole load onto the automatic brake to manage alone.  Winch brakes are only rated at half the pulling load, so the break mangled.  



I got a new updated brake for $50 shipped with a welded end lug and built a mechanical positive stop brake for pulling hitches out with the tractor. 



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Now to see whats the next weakest link.  Im thinking the housing itself will tear apart eventually. 

YouTube (https://youtu.be/PIDb1ltMvj8)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 10, 2020, 11:13:27 PM
Workin good so far.


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: thecfarm on June 11, 2020, 05:26:35 AM
A winch is a nice piece of equipment to have.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: bushmechanic on June 25, 2020, 07:53:11 PM
What do you do when John Deere wants 4 grand for a electric motor to rev your engine up to 1750 rpms? You go back to 1970's technology and fabricate a cable throttle!
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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 25, 2020, 08:39:33 PM
That looks an awful lot like the ones we used to have on the good (older) firetrucks so you could  regulate the engine (and pump pressure) once you switched the transfer case over to the pump. Nowadays they have all kinds of fancy computer based throttle controls that you can't do nothin' with when you need to. When those first came out we had some really close calls where the throttle would shut down to idle for no reason while we had 4 firefighters inside a burning building. Their hoses would go dry and it got real interesting real fast. It took a while to get the manufacturers to address it (they said 'it just can't happen'), and they did a 'firmware upgrade' after it nearly got a few fellas killed. I never trusted them again.
That's a fine improvement if you ask me.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 25, 2020, 10:08:24 PM
Nice job. 

The thing about old stuff is you can count on it working or count on being able to fix it.  I hate new. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 25, 2020, 10:56:47 PM

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: donbj on June 26, 2020, 12:07:29 AM
That's awesome seeing that young man learning hands on good things. Not to criticize but if there are no screen guards protecting as machine is operated teach him where the bite of the cable is if it lets go. I'm guilty of this myself many times and remind myself pretty much every time.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Walnut Beast on June 26, 2020, 01:25:00 AM
Looks pretty handy 👍
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: snowstorm on June 26, 2020, 06:23:07 AM
What do you do when John Deere wants 4 grand for a electric motor to rev your engine up to 1750 rpms? You go back to 1970's technology and fabricate a cable throttle!
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my 646 valmet uses a cable. i would like to flip a switch. i looked here but have not bought anything yet. synchro start products.com. would what s used on my portable welder work?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 26, 2020, 09:54:14 AM
That's awesome seeing that young man learning hands on good things. Not to criticize but if there are no screen guards protecting as machine is operated teach him where the bite of the cable is if it lets go. I'm guilty of this myself many times and remind myself pretty much every time.
Oh i agree.

Hes always up my butt to let him do everything..  winding up the hand winch is one of them but i only let him go until its tight then take over.  Ive shown him sticks in the gears, handle taking off, snapped cables around the yard.


All my equipment is old and dangerous .. I make sure he knows everything about it, and that his fingers and eyes are his to keep or lose.  'That machine has no brains boy, you need to use your own.'  
Hes 7 today.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on June 26, 2020, 10:19:24 AM
Sometimes I think its better to learn safe practices on unsafe junk. that way you learn safety as a whole and don't rely on idiot proofing to keep you safe
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 26, 2020, 10:23:12 AM
Agreed.  The more guards i had to fabricate and install at smith and wesson the dumber and cheaper the 'operators' they could bring in.  Quality took a nose dive.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on June 26, 2020, 10:24:05 AM
they make something idiot proof and here comes a better idiot!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Tacotodd on June 26, 2020, 11:51:15 AM
Crusarius, I hear my dad in your words, and heís passed on 10 years ago.  

ďMake something idiot proof, and they just make a better class of idiotĒ.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Don P on June 26, 2020, 12:45:14 PM
We labelled one jig they made us rush fabricate and get out on the floor "The anti natural selection device", I'm sure there was probably a way around it if someone tried hard enough  :D.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on June 26, 2020, 01:38:09 PM
Crusarius, I hear my dad in your words, and heís passed on 10 years ago.  

ďMake something idiot proof, and they just make a better class of idiotĒ.

Thanks, I am sure your dad was a great man.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Banjo picker on June 28, 2020, 08:54:55 PM
What do you do when John Deere wants 4 grand for a electric motor to rev your engine up to 1750 rpms? You go back to 1970's technology and fabricate a cable throttle!
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That looks just like the throttle on my Prentice 210 C.... Are you saying its old?   :o  Banjo
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: kiko on June 28, 2020, 10:36:02 PM
Bushmechanic, looks like there is more than one adaptation on that machine. Is that a 5.9 in a Deere?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 28, 2020, 11:21:19 PM
I think its an NTA855 or NTA 370 .. Not enough visible to say.  Its a bosch PES6A pump with RSV governor. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: bushmechanic on June 29, 2020, 03:59:28 AM
Yes kiko it is a 5.9 Cummins but not in a Deere, it's a 2001 1070 Timberjack harvester. It has been an exceptional engine in this machine, has yet to be opened up and rebuilt. I would love to know how many hours are actually on it as the meter broke at 30 000 and that was years ago!   
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 29, 2020, 06:30:43 AM
Now i see it.  That oil fill and aftercooler or intake box made me say it cant be a 6BT or CT but theres no rocker boxes to be an NTA.  

Thats a rare bird!  Stay ontop the valvelash and keep the oil clean.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: kiko on June 29, 2020, 09:00:39 AM
Makes sense now. New Timberjack parts would have to come through Deere. The Bf 1280 and bf988 balwin fuel filters we're the give away to me
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 07, 2020, 02:05:29 AM
Ive had a hundred projects on pause the past few years from moving, being broke and then being gone all the time as a OTR truck driver.  So now that im home playin mom and school is back on, i been on a kick to knock a pile of projects out.  I got my onan 3phase 4cylinder diesel generator running after a decade of sitting and i guess that just gave me a boost.  The uncertain times ahead makes me want to know ive got turn key assets lined up. 


I got this BCS "BIO 100" chipper at the scrap yard way back, probably 50 bucks or so.   Waiting on a 25mm bearing and use of a friends lathe to adapt the pto spline to the metric shafting but otherwise its nearly done.  Goes up parallel.  Probably add a trailer hitch later, and left room for a future conveyor to send the discharge to said trailer.


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Made this boxplane for finishing up behind the dozer to keep the hours off it.    Pic is of testing it on an ugly log landing road.  Needs a flip up spike tine bar to loosen the leading edge up ahead of the box.  Soon.



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Put quite a bit of work into a finish mower my friend gave me years ago.  Works well




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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Bruno of NH on September 07, 2020, 07:31:42 AM
Nice work Mike 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Don P on September 07, 2020, 08:13:32 AM
Mike, why not 4 wheels and let it float?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 07, 2020, 09:04:11 AM
Mike, why not 4 wheels and let it float?
Workin on it.  Had no wheels and 2 frozen forks when i got it.  Have 4 wheels coming and 2 forks to build.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 07, 2020, 10:45:10 AM
 i have committed to banging out a starter grade firewood processor before winter and thus had to scan all my junk inventory to figure out the design.  pieces of treasure get allocated to long term projects so as not to misuse parts.

So we laid out the rat rod go kart.  


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Ford YT18 hood, front wheels and steer knuckles off an industrial club car, the rear is a cast iron 4speed plus reverse and neutral, probably a big wheel horse but i dont remember where it came from.  Tires from a deere 140.  Its single belt drive and ill use a kohler k341 ive got from a speedco parts tractor.  Front axle will be a drop spindle beam with a buggy spring and radius rods like a gasser. Manual steering from a forklift column and gearbox.  Frame is gonna be 3 inch channel to support the weight of a CB750 engine someone gave me... for when junior gets a car and i repo his toy. itll have a 1.5" cage and im leaving room for wheelie bar mounts.    ;)


For now it is a dangled carrot.  Boy has ADHD and gets in a lot of trouble at school.  When hes good, i add a piece or two.  When he isnt, i subtract.  So its up to him how long this one takes.  All the junk is here but my time gets invested only when he deserves it.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mudfarmer on September 07, 2020, 11:59:02 AM
I like the box blade, they sure don't give those things away at the store/dealer but they are dang useful and we need one bad
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: thecfarm on September 07, 2020, 11:59:48 AM
I hope he's good!! I want to see that take shape.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Nebraska on September 07, 2020, 09:37:20 PM
I like that approach with your son Mike. Hopefully he will learn mastery over his issues. I went from remedial reading in first and second grade to being called "gifted" in 4th grade. I  really think I was just too busy to bother with learning it, then I figured out I could learn cool stuff when I read, and some little switch went on. Its just tough to focus all that energy....
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 09, 2020, 12:50:34 AM
Thanks guys.  Trying something new while i still have influence over him.


next old project we had to dig out was the burkeen B30 trencher.  There is NOTHING about a burkeen that isnt top tier.  Im very impressed after taking it apart this week.


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It was mostly whole with a torn down 30hp hatz 2 cylinder diesel when i got it.   This machine is so heavy the bobcat cannot lift it with engine mounted.  when the tin came off, I realized its because the frame isnt made from 2x4 box tube.. Its made from 2x4 SOLID bar stock and 2" thick 8x12 steel ballast plates.  I cant lift any corner of it physically.


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It uses shortened and spooled dana 30 five lug rears with 4.88s and a single speed, full time cast iron Tcase driven directly by a variable displacement piston pump motor for travel and trench speed. Slow and super slow.   Will probably go to a 29x12.5x15 trencher tire on a recentered truck rim to gain some groundspeed and trackwidth for sidehill stability.


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Walnut Beast on September 09, 2020, 02:16:25 AM
That will be one heavy duty cool little unit 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 09, 2020, 07:44:12 AM
Its the kinda stuff that keeps me up at night sketching.  My father once told me he mentally puts his coolest project last as a motivator to keep wading through the drudgery of chores a man simply must do.  When a project is really burning in my head that ive put at the back of the line, i suddenly have the energy to just bang out stuff i have been avoiding forever to get to the one im lusting over.

 ive done quite a bit of mental tire shopping over that little skidder to figure out what rims to look for.. 15" tractor tires are very rare (basically just 5-15 skinnies for 2 wheel paddy machines) but 16s very common as a front tire in the US so theyre cheap.  Youve got 7-16, 8-16, 9.5-16 covering the 28-32" diameter range in all tread types.  However they tend to be thin wall and low weight rating.  Genuine trencher specific tires are very wide for floation but they also have a lot more plies and higher weight rating.  Theyre basically a mini forestry tire for not too much more than tractor steers.  A garden tractor lug is not nearly tough enough for a real trencher. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 09, 2020, 09:05:41 AM
So one of the other things that ive put off is getting this junked woods 750-3 back together. I got it years ago in trade for a days labor, fixing a folded up loader bucket. 


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  Its been parked out in the woods for a few years now and ive got a bunch of utility trenching to do soon if things go well. Im tired of digging ditches.  I do have a nice bucket if it hasnt been stolen off my trailer up north yet but i will build a trench bucket either way.   


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First things first, one landing gear cylinder is shot.  Bent like a banana, chrome all scored, cracked floating gland..  I have no money for one so just make it work. With a 3 point hitch it doesnt matter if i make solid pipes for the stabilizer legs to stay fixed.  Without rigid legs these things are very, very hard to get on a 3 point.  A hoe with no fluid or boom lockouts is like trying to get a dead cow propped up on its feet. 


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You can see the crack along that last thread.  I think it was from the bent rod being retracted by the prior owner. The crack is outside of the seal area, i think itll still work. I can vee it out, tig it and fix the thread when my other machines are here.



 Floating glands are pretty wierd.  You can turn the endcap nut a hundred times and it just spins because its just a locknut on a threaded seal puck that floats in the cylinder tube.  You have to extend all the way and crunch the puck end very tight in a vice to deform the tube, get the puck to sit still, then break the nut loose and remove.  Now push the puck down an inch to reveal a heavy wire snap ring seated in a groove in the cylinder.  



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I took vee blocks, a baseplate, indicator, machinist straight edge and a block of hickory over to a friends shop press and got it straight enough.  .045" total runout..   If i wasnt holding him up i coulda probably cut that in half.  Its back together and it retracts all the way.  


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Today is drill the nasty stabilizer bores round again, install the 4 new pins and change a brass elbow out to a steel one.  Legs back on then start building a hydraulic system off the pto.  I got a delavan 1-3/8 six spline to 5/8 grub screw QD coupler yesterday in town.  I have gearpump here that ill mod the shaft on and flip rotation to get started.  Its .77cu-in/rev so kinda small at 540 but maybe that will keep junior from smashing the bucket into things.  Should have tank, filter and lines in the junkpile.  Fingers crossed. 

Tracking says processor parts get here today.   
 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Autocar on September 09, 2020, 05:22:35 PM
Mike when I have a project that I am working on I  will lay in bed and build it then figure out another way to build it then I will look at the clock and it's two in the morning . With all your projects how do you ever get any sleep  ;D. In regards to your son when I was in grade school I didn't have any interest in reading or learning how to read. I was interested in trapping and my mom and dad got me Fur Fish And Game a magazine on trapping I read it cover to cover just find out what makes him tick and go from there. Good luck on all your wild ideas I remember when I had many also.                                                                                                                                                               
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mudfarmer on September 09, 2020, 07:21:00 PM
Fur Fish and Game, yeah! Going to butcher spelling but maybe Gary Paulson books(hatchet et al), My Side Of The Mountain, Dick Proenick, that sort of thing? It really radicalizes the children to read this stuff about a life most will never know. For some of us and I suspect your boy it will hit a bit closer to home  :)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 09, 2020, 09:32:42 PM
Quote
With all your projects how do you ever get any sleep  



Well... The first step is quit your job and send the wife to work.
:D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 09, 2020, 10:27:13 PM
So i had a pump here.. I used to collect dumpster pumps from work because lazy mechanics love to just put a shelf pump on a CNC over any hydraulic gripe then pass the real problem on to the next shift.  So i was able to piece together lots of good ones over the years.  

Anyhow you can field reverse a gear pump by just moving the driven gear to the other position and putting the idler where the driven was then flip the faceplate.  So i did that to match the PTO rotation and clean up the mating faces.. Only takes about .002" on some sandpaper with diesel fuel. Then take same amount off center housing. 


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 i ground the input shaft freehand until it had a good "D" shape to mate with the delavan coupler really well, those just use a grub screw instead of keyway.  Tried it with just the gear shaft and it ran true so as barge would say.. Hey why not?


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I then rigged up my favorite structural materials [rebar and solid romex] for a redneck test run... 


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...on diesel fuel.  


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Taxed diesel even.  DOT repellant. 


Just idled the tractor and very lightly went thru all the motions.  Everything works but i discovered a bent boom cylinder and that looks like a chore to pull.  The fluid came out quite filthy.  Ill probably cycle one more round of diesel before tearing the cylinder out.. Makes a good cheap solvent. 



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Boy had fun horsin around on it.  And i got the parts for the processor, the chipper and the finish mower today from surplus center.  Sawing for grade in the junkpile this year.  Redneck riches abound. 



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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Nebraska on September 10, 2020, 09:52:57 AM
Looks to me if you fix the trencher and that backhoe maybe add a utilities  locator(and a little insurance) you could have a side business digging  in septic systems and other misc trenching in pretty short order. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 10, 2020, 12:15:55 PM
Yeah for sure.  The hoe came off a 4wd deere that was the primary machine at a septic company across the street from where i grew up.  They put a new replacement woods on that same deere in place of this one, which is what i fixed the bucket on to get this old unit.  Someone had too much wacky tobaccy [my stepbrother] and forgot to set the brake.  It rolled down a hill and smashed a tree.

I dont know what the future will hold.  For the next few years i need to just play it by ear. For instance, hank came home sick from school just now and the rule is he has to stay out tomorrow.  Obviously covid had them home for like 5 or 6 months this summer and who knows about this fall, school could close any day.  I might be homeschooling next month.   Theyve cancelled school here a day in advance over snow predictions that amounted to zero but stayed closed anyway.  Its a farce and i cant be a reliable contractor with whimsical schedules like that.  Maybe when he hits 10 or 12 and can stay home alone.  Daughter is already pretty good about that but until she can keep a pistol i dont want to leave here here alone.


I need to build several houses and develop 2 properties we have, ours and my fathers a few doors down, for his retirement.  These are the years where i get the iron ready.  After that id like to buy, develop and sell land.  My equipment is dependable enough to do things on my schedule but not on a hired jobsite. And i dont want to get into the 'need a better looking dozer/skidsteer/tractor/truck..' game. My junk is fine if i dont try to put it in the wrong setting.  


For the coming years a firewood processor is the right business because its a wide open schedule and mostly at home.  I can log or buy in TT loads to feed the processor any time at home, and make deliveries with them after the bus comes.

Once a shop is up, hire them and their friends for the wood side ... i go back to machine/fab/repair and custom machine building. Easiest money i ever made was selling a product design license and ive got notebooks full of that stuff ive wanted to do.  I like prototyping and hate production.  Develop prototype, refine it, sell units, refine it more, put the supplier accounts and book keeping together, sell the whole thing then do another.   


A lot of it will depend on what the kids wanna do.  If they say lets landscape then it'll be a yard full of zero turns.  Maybe we will be a rock crushing and mulch screening/bagging operation.  If they wanna raise pigs, we'll raise pigs.  I can build anything and dont care either way. Ill put a custom slaughter house here if thats what they wanna do. I dont care.  It only takes one $13/hr job to support the entire family. 



For today, its dishes laundry and sick kid.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Bruno of NH on September 10, 2020, 06:02:31 PM
Mike I wish I was better at fixing equipment never was tought.
My family had the biggest swiming pool repair and maintenance business in the area.I can fix anything on your pool or build you a house from the ground up.
But fix equipment never learned.
On the pool business I was offered in didn't like the work or type of customer. 
My uncle just sold it it.
He has 3 houses one on a lake I built one in NV.
7 new vehicles ones a Bently .
I guess I should have liked the pool business  :D but it wasn't for me.
You have to stay to clean and wear sun glasses , not for me.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: GRANITEstateMP on September 10, 2020, 06:27:15 PM
Bruno,

I usually wear safety sunglasses from the local tractor dealer, but staying clean is something I struggle with on a daily basis!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 10, 2020, 06:32:41 PM
Just gotta endeavor to play the hand youre dealt i guess.  Once upon a time i thought i wanted to be a cop.  Turns out mechanics are more popular these days. Go figure. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 15, 2020, 10:51:26 PM
So i ended up having 3 kids all of friday thru sunday and didnt get much accomplished until yesterday.  


Made the missing guage wheel forks for the finish mower but screwed up and made the stems about 2" shorter than id like.  So i got lazy and just welded some random chunks of chain link flush at the top to get max height from what ive got.  The bottom sleeves are adjustable but its gonna stay where its set forever.   


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Cuts nice.  On to the next one..


Flushed the backhoe again on diesel and so glad i did. Cant believe the trash i got out of this thing.  That tank was spotless.  Im now very happy i chose to keep it separate from the tractors hydraulics. 


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I whipped up some shoes for the stabilizers from stuff in the junk bin.  Ones mans trash as they say


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They bite right in, and with the diagonal braces now locking out the 3point, the backhoe legs will lift the tractor right up.  Be handy for changing tires.


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Big braces in. This thing is a pain to hitch up.


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Hopefully i will get the tank permanent mounted tomorrow then start working on the wrist, H link and bucket.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on September 16, 2020, 06:07:20 AM
My dad has an old kelly 30 3pt he put on his Minneapolis Moline. until he figured out the trick it was a pain to hookup now its a 20 minute job. get close, hook up the hydraulic pump then use the outriggers and bucket to place it where you can get the pins in.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 16, 2020, 07:44:36 AM
Oh yeah having the hoe running is basically a must.  This thing was dead on the ground and flopping all over with no fluid or lockouts when i first pinned it on and lemme tell ya that was an hour with a bobcat and two people.  Real easy way to get hurt.  And real frusterating without flat ground.  


A quickhitch lift arm would cut the effort in half but i dont want to reduce the lift capacity any worse.  And the hoe purposefully has a top link bracket too narrow for any top link so you have to use the rigid one they make.  In the long run it is for your benefit performance wise, but being able to adjust the top link to align the pin bore just right would make it easier.  

With power to the hoe and things going right i can hitch it in about 10 minutes now that ive done it a few times and have a sequence figured out.  Not something i want to swap daily though.

Someday in the future i will probably make an adapter for the bobcat to the backhoe but that machine needs too much work to bother right now.   Problem is i only have one bobcat and just cant be without it!  I got the tractor in large part to have a machine with a bit of overlap to get me by while im without a skid steer.  Still have to add lift pins to my fork rack and do a boompole.  Most of my junk is on pallets and when the dirtguy calls out of the blue with a nearby project, it can be 20 loads dropped in 2 days so i have to be able to scramble the whole yard on short notice.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: donbj on September 16, 2020, 09:51:43 PM
My dad has an old kelly 30 3pt he put on his Minneapolis Moline. until he figured out the trick it was a pain to hookup now its a 20 minute job. get close, hook up the hydraulic pump then use the outriggers and bucket to place it where you can get the pins in.
Exactly. I have a LONG brand three point hoe. The first thing I do is hook up the pump to the pto and mounting is a breeze, just a couple minutes.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 17, 2020, 07:35:26 AM
I did get the tank stuff done yesterday.  Tank was from a scrapped CNC spindle chiller unit and was also the chiller base that everything was built above like a skyskraper, so it has lift sling hooks at the corners for picking the entire machine by crane out of tight quarters.

  I suspended the tank entirely by those so that it floats.  It cant move in any direction more than a half inch because the 3 point has it trapped, but it is allowed to move up if i hit a stump or something, this will hopefully prevent the tank from being crushed or punctured.  It doesnt jiggle around or anything when driving around, there are little detents to keep it still in the tabs. 


The other reason for a floating mount was if i ever start using it on the skid steer this pump and tank would need to be removed anyway.  There is nothing in the way of that other than two 4" ratchet strap hooks welded to the frame as hangers.   just undo two hoses and pluck the tank and pump together.  Or if i need stationary hydraulic power off the tractor for something short term like powering a dead machine function. same thing, two hoses and grab the hydro unit off the backhoe.   



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To drain the tank just unhook the chain, tip it down on a block and pull the plug.  Should also be pretty good about draining any junk inside.  Filter upside down isnt my favorite but it will drain back to the tank and get changed when the oil does.  


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Boy played in the mulch pile for a while with rpm turned up about right in high pto gear.  Hydraulic speed is pretty decent on the .73 cu-in/rev pump and it never got warm.  I need to change all the joystick heims, theyre shot. very hard to get just one function.  But it was nearly free so cant complain!


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 18, 2020, 07:48:24 AM
So i have a good bucket sitting in mass if it hasnt been stolen yet, i think its 16" iirc.


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But that doesnt help me now and i dont want 16" trenches for 1" water lines.  Working on a 10" jawbone style bucket as my normal every day attachment.  


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This is the jaw, which id already built previously for the tractor to cut trenches and grub sappling root balls, never planned any of this out, i didnt have the backhoe at the time.  


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It has a removeable back wall so ya just drive and the spoil flows through and loosens,  Then scoop out soft dirt with a shovel.  Not great but its what i had. The attachment cuts and grubs very well because the small teeth make very high psi out of low HP.  But it'll easily dig a hole the tractor couldnt back out of.


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Just hanging there for looks, the stick gets attatched to the back half that i need to build.  The dogbones are done and i need to order the clam cylinders now before starting on the bucket.


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The clam bucket is a pretty big, pricey detour over just making a standard bucket, but in the long run a savings paid in health and wellness.  I like building stone walls.  But pharoah had a lot of disposable people to build his, and im the one getting used up building mine.  My elbows, shoulders and wrists cant handle it anymore, they hurt all the time and cost a lot of sleep.  the right bucket will do the hard work for me.  The big bucket is too big and i dont want the clumsiness of a thumb causing rocks to fall and crush someones hand or foot.  A jawbone can clamp a stone and then swing through the whole rotation with it to try a different face, because its all on one axis and the cylinders travel with it.  To roll a stone with a live thumb you need to work two valves simultaneously without dropping it.


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mjeselskis on September 18, 2020, 07:57:17 AM
So i have a good bucket sitting in mass if it hasnt been stolen yet, i think its 16" iirc.


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But that doesnt help me now and i dont want 16" trenches for 1" water lines.  Working on a 10" jawbone style bucket as my normal every day attachment.  


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This is the jaw, which id already built previously for the tractor to cut trenches and grub sappling root balls, never planned any of this out, i didnt have the backhoe at the time.  


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It has a removeable back wall so ya just drive and the spoil flows through and loosens,  Then scoop out soft dirt with a shovel.  Not great but its what i had. The attachment cuts and grubs very well because the small teeth make very high psi out of low HP.  But it'll easily dig a hole the tractor couldnt back out of.


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Just hanging there for looks, the stick gets attatched to the back half that i need to build.  The dogbones are done and i need to order the clam cylinders now before starting on the bucket.


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The clam bucket is a pretty big, pricey detour over just making a standard bucket, but in the long run a savings paid in health and wellness.  I like building stone walls.  But pharoah had a lot of disposable people to build his, and im the one getting used up building mine.  My elbows, shoulders and wrists cant handle it anymore, they hurt all the time and cost a lot of sleep.  the right bucket will do the hard work for me.  The big bucket is too big and i dont want the clumsiness of a thumb causing rocks to fall and crush someones hand or foot.  A jawbone can clamp a stone and then swing through the whole rotation with it to try a different face, because its all on one axis and the cylinders travel with it.  To roll a stone with a live thumb you need to work two valves simultaneously without dropping it.


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That bucket setup looks like it will be well worth the time to build. What do you use for steel to build something like that? I've thought about building a root ripper for my John Deere 10A backhoe, but didn't know if 1" 36k steel plate would be strong enough.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: teakwood on September 18, 2020, 08:23:50 AM
A 1" is way sufficient for a backhoe, my general purpose bucket for the 30to has 1" plates, of course they are hardox.


@mike_belben (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33722) ,hey mike, can't you just drive up where you stuff is and bring a load home? 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 18, 2020, 09:01:17 AM
hey mike, can't you just drive up where you stuff is and bring a load home?
No, the kids are in school and momma works 6 days a week so i have to be home every day.  When they are on vacations i can try but its 2 days up 2 days back with kids.  Which is good since they never see family but its a challenge on me.


In august Massachusetts put a travel ban on entry from anywhere south or west of new york [except hawaii which is an international travel layover so that makes zero sense for not bringing fresh virus.]  Either you need a 72hr old negative test, a 14 day quarantine which i wont do, or a $500/day per person ticket.  I am not letting anyone jam some chinese innoculant stick up our noses, im not sitting around for 14 days ontop of 4 driving and im not paying them another red cent.. They robbed me from 13 to 37 years old.


You cant travel through that state without passing plate readers, which will bring up my license then probably mail me the fines. Mass has recently dabbled in revoking licenses of people from other states by mail, but "because covid" there are no appeals being heard.  My CDL took years to get so i have to protect it.  NY already had me in custody and took my stuff once for nothing, im not going through all that jive again.

Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 18, 2020, 09:19:23 AM
So i have a good bucket sitting in mass if it hasnt been stolen yet, i think its 16" iirc.


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But that doesnt help me now and i dont want 16" trenches for 1" water lines.  Working on a 10" jawbone style bucket as my normal every day attachment.  


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This is the jaw, which id already built previously for the tractor to cut trenches and grub sappling root balls, never planned any of this out, i didnt have the backhoe at the time.  


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It has a removeable back wall so ya just drive and the spoil flows through and loosens,  Then scoop out soft dirt with a shovel.  Not great but its what i had. The attachment cuts and grubs very well because the small teeth make very high psi out of low HP.  But it'll easily dig a hole the tractor couldnt back out of.


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Just hanging there for looks, the stick gets attatched to the back half that i need to build.  The dogbones are done and i need to order the clam cylinders now before starting on the bucket.


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The clam bucket is a pretty big, pricey detour over just making a standard bucket, but in the long run a savings paid in health and wellness.  I like building stone walls.  But pharoah had a lot of disposable people to build his, and im the one getting used up building mine.  My elbows, shoulders and wrists cant handle it anymore, they hurt all the time and cost a lot of sleep.  the right bucket will do the hard work for me.  The big bucket is too big and i dont want the clumsiness of a thumb causing rocks to fall and crush someones hand or foot.  A jawbone can clamp a stone and then swing through the whole rotation with it to try a different face, because its all on one axis and the cylinders travel with it.  To roll a stone with a live thumb you need to work two valves simultaneously without dropping it.


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That bucket setup looks like it will be well worth the time to build. What do you use for steel to build something like that? I've thought about building a root ripper for my John Deere 10A backhoe, but didn't know if 1" 36k steel plate would be strong enough.
Whatever i got!  1" is plenty for a single tine. Youll open a relief or bend a rod before the tine cries. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on September 18, 2020, 02:40:59 PM
most buckets and stuff you see for smaller equipment is 1/4" plate and then sandwiched 1/4" on the edges making it 1/2". You can make it bigger and heavier but that sacrifices lift capacity. I recommend keeping it as lightweight as possible. Just know you may be able to move mountains but not necessarily in one giant bite. If you are concerned about breaking something take smaller bites.

You can always make cutting edges 3/8" or 1/2" if your really worried about it. but the back side of a bucket does not see the loads a cutting edge does so that does not need to be stupid heavy thick plate.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on September 18, 2020, 02:42:31 PM
mike, that looks pretty sweet. I like the idea of removable back. I could use that for cutting trenches through my yard then just roll the sod up and carry it away.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 18, 2020, 03:50:55 PM
Id never even thought of that but yeah, on the deere sod would come off like peeling a potato.  Then you could lay it back over the trenchline when finished like nothing happened.  I dont think it would work on the dirt here but its a cool idea.  I will have to try sometime.  

I laid the jaw down on a rusty steel table and made a chalk outline then a bucket sketch that looked okay..  and then flipped the jaw so the teeth face back at the bucket.  Long story short i think it has enough promise to put on hold until my tooling is set up.  It is a struggle to wait but i hate making mediocre things that could be great with some patience. 


So directions have changed and i hope to be stumping by dinner.  Gotta hustle while the weather is good.  Lunchbreaks over.  :laugh: 


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 18, 2020, 11:41:31 PM
It was a black spaghetti mess all day, but the base of my trenching and stumping bucket is outside. Need to try it tomorrow and make some decisions.


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: teakwood on September 19, 2020, 11:24:15 AM
Nice work Mike

Can anybody post some pics of their log height adjustment device on the sawmill?  where you get the small end of the log up so the log is centered. i need to fabricate a manual device and need some ideas

Thanks 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 19, 2020, 12:45:24 PM

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;D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 19, 2020, 12:48:52 PM
Look at machine levelling pads, they just look like two felling wedges stacked ontop each other pointing opposite directions with a lead screw to push or pull them together or apart.   Its like a piece of dunnage that grows taller by a screw thread.  You could use a battery impact to adjust something home made like that pretty quick.  Two hardwood wedges with a steel nutsert and threaded rod probably work fine. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: teakwood on September 19, 2020, 03:44:01 PM
Good idea but too slow.

my logs don't weight much so i'm thinking like a roller axle and some lever which hooks in gradually, like a handbrake lever in a car
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Hilltop366 on September 19, 2020, 04:27:02 PM
I use to use a 2x4 and a few different thickness sticks, my DIY mill was cantilevered so the shim stick could be long and not interfere with the mill track, that way I could place the shim while being at the end of the 2x4.

Other possibilities?

Frontier Sawmills Attachments - Toe Board - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAAMtBAfYcs)

How to set up your toe board | B751 & B1001 Band Sawmills | LOGOSOL - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RM9Lxb-Of4)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 19, 2020, 08:44:02 PM
Make a cam and mount it to a shaft.  The more you rotate the shaft the more it raises the log.  Like one half of a ying yang symbol.


Nevermind that frontier piece is slick.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 19, 2020, 09:18:45 PM
Finished proof of concept today.  The jury has reached a decision:  

it beats a shovel, but its no PC400. 


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Some efficiency additions to be made when i get another spool of mig wire. 


We then moved on to destructive testing of cables and chains.  The stump wasnt such a tough guy after half an hour of waterboarding.  Oh youll talk alright mister stump. 
 

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Ed_K on September 20, 2020, 09:29:11 AM
 I use a 1 1/2 ton hydraulic jack. And different height boards under the log and drop the log onto them.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: teakwood on September 20, 2020, 10:33:13 AM
I use to use a 2x4 and a few different thickness sticks, my DIY mill was cantilevered so the shim stick could be long and not interfere with the mill track, that way I could place the shim while being at the end of the 2x4.

Other possibilities?

Frontier Sawmills Attachments - Toe Board - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAAMtBAfYcs)

How to set up your toe board | B751 & B1001 Band Sawmills | LOGOSOL - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RM9Lxb-Of4)
Nice, thanks for all the good ideas.
That frontier solution gave me a good idea and i will fabricate something simple 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Hilltop366 on September 20, 2020, 10:41:24 AM
I was also wondering if a small boat winch could be used somehow, it would give you a reduction gear and a ratchet pawl but that is as far as I got on that idea.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Iwawoodwork on September 20, 2020, 10:48:36 AM
A boat winch or 12v atv winch might work hooked to a bell crank with the upper crank attached  to the Frontier system in place of the manual lift.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 20, 2020, 01:18:27 PM
A boat winch with a gear rack that raises the log support bar would make for a hand cranked, gear reduction work of awesomeness.


Or strip the rack and pinion from and old junk car and put a handle on the input shaft to raise the log support.  A manual steering gear box from a truck should work too.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Hilltop366 on September 20, 2020, 03:50:04 PM
Cool ideas!

Another one could be a large cam (think upside down snail) that rotates towards the back stop, as you turn the winch it turns the cam that pushes directly on the log raising it until you get to the  desired height, to return to "no lift" keep turning in the same direction until you reach the flat area of the cam.

Depending on where you want to be when you are adjusting the height the cam could chain drive from the winch to be along side the log or shaft drive if you would want to adjust the log height from the end of the mill.

Using a under slung cable like a drywall lifter could work also.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: teakwood on September 22, 2020, 08:23:40 AM
Here is my solution, as simple as it gets, works like a charm and didn't cost more than 4h of work
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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 22, 2020, 02:48:36 PM
Well that takes the cake, love it. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: caveman on September 22, 2020, 04:42:26 PM
That dog will hunt!  This is similar to what we did with a canthook handle and a couple of different thickness wooden shims we kept near our LT-28.  Good job on the modification.  You may want to add a picture to the sawmill mod thread.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 25, 2020, 09:33:41 PM
I got some piloted annular cutters for my mag drill and theyre awesome.  You can take a piece of 1" thick plate and without even center punching it, just bore a perfect, machine finish 1.000" hole.  Lube flows from a tank through a groove in the pilot which unseats when it touches the part so it stops automatic when you lift off.  Im very pleased.  Its like a holesaw had a love child with an end mill.  I am sold on coreboring over twist drills whenever possible. 



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Late this afternoon i whipped up a class 3 to sleeve hitch adapter and went out to my new deer trails to give it a try.  Works fantastic for making a trail that has tire tracks on the outside and a seeded middle section so i can still use them with the tractor and forwarding trailer without wrecking the food.  




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Normally these sleeve hitch attachments are useless without a pile of cinder blocks ontop but with the weight of my winch plate pushing it down the chisel tines dig pretty good and rip up the shallow root layer,  killing off the competition in the seed bed.  


I strapped my sled pullin block to the front and it helps quite a bit with the backhoe and skidding logs up the hill.  Think i will make a more permanent arrangement.


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on October 01, 2020, 10:11:00 PM

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It can be a pain to position in tight quarters and wont make the straightest trench when you cant quite get it in the corner right, but my dull backhoe is still putting my sharpest shovel to shame.  The last job you ever want to do by hand is trench a rocked clay driveway.  

Done it twice, think id rather move away then try a 3rd round!

Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: donbj on October 01, 2020, 10:28:47 PM

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It can be a pain to position in tight quarters and wont make the straightest trench when you cant quite get it in the corner right, but my dull backhoe is still putting my sharpest shovel to shame.  The last job you ever want to do by hand is trench a rocked clay driveway.  

Done it twice, think id rather move away then try a 3rd round!
Anything with hyd cylinders and a bucket of sorts beats a shovel all day!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on October 10, 2020, 12:55:22 PM
Well one thing led to another as they often do. I needed to redirect runoff, trench some utility and make road for cement truck access. Needed some gravels.


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I havent been very happy with 3 minus lately.  It rolls out nicely with the dozer if laying thick, but it doesnt spread homogenously.  Youll have patches where theres all big rocks ontop of fines that stay loose and rolly.  and patches where theres just fines with no big rock to keep it from mushing into the clay and creating potholes that need to be dug up and fixed later.  A load dont go far if youre putting many inches of it. This doesnt matter for cars but im expecting loaded semi trucks. My forklift can be up to 35k on 4 tires, itll find the thin spot.


 i cut my base and worked it until i got all the drainage perfect so minimal rock would be needed.  I tried 1-3 limestone this time and love it, excellent base rock.


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1-3 is rolly and needs a cap in residential application.  Well, much less cap rock is needed if the base is compacted first.  So i needed a compactor.  And built this.




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Nothing fancy, just a pto shaft turning a big hunk of steel for a shakeweight over a scrapped conveyor roll, and some cut up solid rubber tires to make huge bushings that helps dampen it from the tractor.



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Its no wacker or dynapack but i spent like 50 bucks building it.  hard to see, easy to feel with your feet that the stones get aligned and flattened more with every pass.. Two is pretty sufficient to get things solid where they dont shift when i drive over with a machine.


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From there i only need about an inch of crusher run ontop, smooth and flatten with the land plane, water it and hit with the roller again to work the fines into base.  1 day old driveway is as solid as my 4yr old one thats built from 3-5 then 3minus then crusher run.



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I will probably add another shake weight block to play around with phasing them, and also some steel to capture anything that grenades.  I have a bolens hydrostatic rear that this will eventually get coupled to with a predator engine.  It woulda took half the time if the boy could compact on a dedicated little machine while i ran the land plane or bobcat.  And hydrostatic with 3000-3600rpm will give way way better control and compaction.  Gearing choices stink on my setup and its only shaking @1000hz at best. Room for improvement.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: sandersen on October 10, 2020, 04:58:10 PM
I must say...I'm quite impressed Mike with your design and fab talent. That's great stuff...especially for your kids to be around it and on it all too.    Too few folks know how to improvise these days. Well done sir. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: barbender on October 10, 2020, 06:59:20 PM
That's pretty groovy, Mike! From an old paving/gravel guy, that's some pretty nice looking work you did on the driveway, too👍👍
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on October 10, 2020, 07:39:54 PM
Thanks guys.  As they say .. Necessity is the mother of invention.  

Its poured all day, and the runoff pattern has been completely altered for the better.  Glad i got that part behind me. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on October 12, 2020, 06:27:14 AM
I would have never thought to make a vibrator like that. I was very confused why you had a driveshaft going to it till I realized what you were doing. 

Very nice.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: moodnacreek on October 12, 2020, 09:19:04 AM
Belben, you need to get up here and weld me up a pantograph for my sawmill carriage and while your at it a frame for a top saw.                       I must say you are quite handy.   
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on October 12, 2020, 11:45:06 AM
Doesnt someone have a sig about if the women dont find you handsome they should find you handy?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Resonator on October 12, 2020, 12:24:50 PM
That would be Red Green. Also known for: "The handy man's secret weapon... duck tape".  ;D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Magicman on October 12, 2020, 09:11:18 PM
Ga Mtn Man (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=18750)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: zinc oxide on October 22, 2020, 09:32:24 AM
SoÖ I saw the capstan winch for saleÖ One year too late. Think it was almost a year to the day from last year's Paul Bunyan show over in Ohio. The last day, just as they are packing up seems to be a good time to buy things.


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Had to be 12 years or so ago that I cobbled this together. Neighbor provided the rear end from a 10 hp Sears tractor, the little metal dome Thingy that the shifter went through was cracked in half. JB Weld, some clamps on a flat surface, and some 'lapping'  of the mating face, good as new.

 The 6 hp motor was like brand-new as was the mower it was attached to, put out for junk. Somehow, the oil fill tube was broke off where it entered the casing. Easy fix. It's amazing what people throw away.

First attempt for the capstan, Filling up the wheel, or rim, whatever it's called, with some kind of body filler and machining it down.  don't know anything about gear and pulley ratios, but it had comparatively no power. It's possible that I didn't get a true feel for it, I only use that the one time on a test drive dragging a telephone pole across the yard. Probably didn't help that I was  riding the telephone pole and trying to keep tension on the rope same time. Could have been the Vodka.

 That attempt only cost a truck load of firewood to the machinist down the holler. Not too good at bartering. The second capstan was made out of off-the-shelf weld on thingamajig's from tractor supply, conduit and the two beveled pieces by the same machinist. More firewood. Said he never thought to use a hoe to drag the firewood to the tailgate. I'm lazy. I have one of those joint jigger things, made quite a few things that looked like I knew what I was doing.

The belt tensioning slide idea I stole from the motor mounts observed in packaged sewage plants that I was volunteered to work on, and I never knew what kind of belt I was going to have laying around. Works perfect for taking the flap out of the belt.  I was concerned that I would have to rig up some kind of spring-loaded idler, but really no need for a way to disengage to change gears in my opinion with no load on it. Was going to put a throttle control on, but due to the nature of the device really didn't need that either. Both items probably beyond my technical pay grade.

You may notice a piece of paracord in the pics, one end was always clipped to my belt, the other end went to a 'customized' romex metal staple. Released the brake mechanism when the string was pulled on. The rope guides were made out of the only round stock I had lying around time, heated up in the drum stove and bent around a couple of bolts in a vice.  found the center point on a piece of conduit and made the pivot which mounts to a square tube going into the receiver, 'automatic' alignment with the direction of pull. I was concerned with what I believe is called an 'overhung' loadÖ The first test? Mounted on my truck, connected to my neighbors truck. Only had about a 75' piece of rope of the right type. Gravel driveway, butt to butt fairly quickly in first gear.  Didn't have spare money, (400+) for a big hank of rope, but I do stumble across amazing deals from time to time at the pawnshops, feel guilty profiting from others misery, but i do enjoy beating up the pawnshop when possible. 

Made a cone out of an old plastic barrel, which became more of a sled, replete with ratchet strap. used that quite successfully for a while, 'til i cobbled up a 'fetching arch' of sorts using some golf cart wheels. no pics, someone really liked it and i couldn't say no.
 
Just used it most of the time to pull firewood off the hillsides, EZPZ, and up out of the crick, which was the scariest. the truck would sometimes bounce quite a bit when i snagged something, and i thought about some kinda outriggers, but i could hardly pick it up to mount it as it was then, and i didn't want to shock load the rear end.
(One of us has gained weight or lost muscle i noticed when i finally had a place to store it out of the weather, When i put it up on Harbor Freightô stand, on sale at least once a yr. for 20 bucks.)

I noticed a few older threads relating to rope storage...

 
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...So this is what i came up with when i finally found the money to buy a spool, never used it...Yet. Was worried about the upright filling with water if left outside, an old tube of silicon caulking dried in the tube made a perfect cork. actually spent sometime experimenting with different way to accelerate the hardening in the tube, nice round resillient plugs of the thickness you choose are handy.

 I noticed that you can see a little spool to the left in the first pic of these 2 behind the ladder, 2 120' foot pieces from the pawnshop along with a 'tree seat' that i have no idea what to do with/how to use for 50 bucks. (less than 1/2 price from 'sticker', My 'buy' point). I've always struggled with knots, '69' being perfect for joining and easy to undue, can't remember the 'real' name. Never made a stand. Generally speaking, only used one piece at a time mostly, coiled and tied for storage/transport. recently just cut down the bulk of a spool for the 2 pieces, still in good shape.

The most important lesson learned from this project? NEVER try to start a lawnmower engine without 'something' on the output shaft. I think i remember reading about this being possible with old motors...Something about cast iron flywheels?...didn't look in to the issue until one arm felt longer than the other...and my fingers...ouch.

My Dad always told me..."for a stupid head the whole body must suffer"...Lots of cross-platform compatibility in those words. 



Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on November 11, 2020, 12:42:42 PM
So i sorta made a clearing saw.


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Someone gave me a dead stihl 55R weed wacker that id fixed a while ago and rarely used because i dont have much fancy grass work to do and a string just doesnt work on the scrub and heavy grass i do need to cut.  The 55r is not a brush cutter model and those start around $500 at the co-op.. Never gonna happen.


Well, in my junkpile was an echo clearing saw blade that i dont remember acquiring but musta also been free, my favorite price.  When i unthreaded the string drum there was a splined aluminum backer plate with a slightly proud register for a 1" shoulder that matched the blade thickness.  Hmm.  


I used files then a reamer to enlarge the hardened blade bore until it centered on this hub, and a pair of bellville washers then a thick fender washer and finally the left handed metric nutsert that i knocked out of the plastic string hub to hold the blade to the shaft.  



Cautiously gave the thing a whirl and am stunned how good it works.  Stuff that i would normally be standing there gnawing away at full throttle and just wasting fuel and string while junk hits me in the face... simply lays over at idle now.  Its like a jedi light saber.. Blade is barely moving and stuff is laying down without reving engine at all.  Wow...


Now before anyone says youll shoot yer eye out kid...  I have used this and concluded regular string trimmers throw WAY more debris and trash up in your face and probably wont ever put the string head back on.  It is one sheet of steel with no brazed on tips to fly off.  The hub nut didnt loosen even a quarter turn and it would take about 20 turns to lose the blade.  The teeth dont have sharp tips..theyre rounded over so you can grind into a cinder block or fence pipe without harm.. Just light scratches and no need to resharpen.  And it throws nothing.  Not one little shred of grass or sticks comes up.  The stuff just gets severed in place and lays there dead.  I cant believe we all have weed wackers and psychologically think these saws are dangerous.  Its the other way around.  Id let my 7yr old run this saw before the string line, hands down, way safer.


But mike does it work on brush?  


Oh yeah.    



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Blip the throttle one time just before initiating a mock golf swing near the base.  Follow through and the blade just passes by while the sapplings lay over.  Im barely using any fuel now because its mostly at idle until woody 1/2 inch plus stems require a bit more.


 Again this blade does not have a sharp ripping point or any tooth set.. It will not saw a kerf by going slow, but rather will just sit and smoke if you treat it like a regular circle saw.  Swing it like a sickle and think of it as a rotary machete.  The gullet does the cutting, the tips are completely round, dull and almost harmless.



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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mudfarmer on November 11, 2020, 05:31:21 PM
Mine is fs90 which I donít think is rated for it either.. with the other kind of blade you sharpen with a round file. There is a ďright directionĒ and a ďwrong directionĒ to go at the stem but I donít remember off hand which it is  ;D Be careful of kick back and have fun. I donít know how long the shaft/hub will last but there is only one way to find out and there is another thread for the results 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Ed_K on November 12, 2020, 01:27:29 PM
 If you start on the left side of a sapling you'll get kick back. Always go from the right side and use like Mike said a swinging a mock golf swing. Am I right guys?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on November 12, 2020, 03:51:13 PM
I havent had it kick or stall yet but next time i use it i will try to see if there is a better side to swing at.  Hadnt considered that, thanks ed. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: barbender on November 12, 2020, 08:31:31 PM
It makes a big difference which side you come from, especially when you get up to the upper limit of what one should be cutting😁 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on November 14, 2020, 08:20:44 PM


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Other day i decided to try a little chinese crane mast and snatch block to winch tangled logs from up higher. I didnt plan the attachment for this but got lucky and only needed to weld a tab for the jack base. 


 I need a mechanical helper for some shed framing soon and this ought to do. Also have some shrubs to pull up that are over a slope where the backhoe cant go.  I think with a pair of limbs cut and propped under as a tripod that ill be able to winch them out. 


So while i was at it i asked myself what would
@Stephen Alford (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=2754) do, and built a rack to hold everything i would ever want to drag out back.  Everything has its place now, sort of a mobile command post.  We got room for a cooler, grab handles for the kids and even a spot for TP.  Should make for less trips back up to the house now.  Tried the tongs and it was a waste of time, chokers are better. 


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My favorite is the saw sharpening station off the side.  As my eyes get worse having the work up close sure helps.  Got dark early today.  Maybe some LED work lights next. 



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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Walnut Beast on November 15, 2020, 01:38:00 AM
Mike your ready for all out war in the woods! I like it! Everything you need even beverages and goodies 👍
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on November 15, 2020, 07:30:14 AM
How else ya gonna keep a 7year old from whining?!

;D


Actually, hes fine all day if you turn him loose with a hatchet.  Her not so much. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mudfarmer on November 15, 2020, 12:54:02 PM
I don't know Stephen but have read a lot of his posts, where's the teapot? ;D

Looking good Mike! Was running a crew one time on a job and it took me a bit to get them to understand that every time they screwed off to walk back for a tool/part/piece that was lost production and probably a pay cut for us all. We worked up some nice carts with everything you'd need for specific jobs and it really ramped things up. Only way to fly is to have everything you need ready to rock and roll.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: thecfarm on November 15, 2020, 06:56:33 PM
I added a few things on my tractor to make it easier for me too.


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No pictures of a plywood box behind the seat. None of the steel artillery box either. I made a place to put a cooler of water too.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Stephen Alford on November 16, 2020, 08:22:38 AM
lol...right on brother thats awesome.  My pandemic project was to gear up a barnfind atv.  By the time I lugged saws fuel lunch etc etc etc to the woods the only thing I wanted to do was have a nap.   Found a couple ol ramps from smashed delivery trucks to load it...


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Got it up and running...


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as if hauling my own junk wasnt enough i have started yarding other peoples junk....same as wood just shorter twitches...
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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on November 16, 2020, 09:29:54 AM
Well buddy yer still an old brute to be heaving those ramps up every day.  I used to get around $200 each for them for the junkyard.. Guys building car trailers mostly.  


I spent a lot of time turning my old cheap king quad into a limb fetcher and service truck to go fuel the machines [didnt have a 4wd pickup at the time] and when it was finally all dialed in, the thing is falling apart and just sitting outside waiting to be pushed into the firepit.  Constant intermittent hiccup and stalling.  An oxymoron, i know.  



Thought it was fuel, thought it was valve adjust.. I guess its spark and just wish the part would fail fail so i could ID it instead of throwing parts at it or endlessy tinkering.



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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: BrushSaw on November 17, 2020, 12:19:10 AM
 
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 Mike you cant give up on the Zuki  .. I revived one from the local power company. Granted it needed brake work, carb boot, valves adjusted, carb rebuild and some fresh gas... 

But this thing  was way before it's time, diff lock, multiple speed ranges, and small enough it doesnt need a trail to make it thru the woods. I wanted to sell it to get a Honda but couldn't part.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on November 18, 2020, 08:55:19 PM

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So Ive got this scrapped service crane with a telescoping stick,  hydraulic winch and worm gear turntable that will be the basis for a forestry crane build in the coming year, i hope. I had to get it out of a corner that is always mushy before the winter rains set in.  I get stuck in this spot every time.

So i laced up one of the bear paws i built on my spare wheels with bald trailer tires off a parts machine to see if theyd clear. which they do.


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Made a big difference.  i sunk pretty good but that side clawed me out. The other side wasnt doing anything.  They will dig a fast deep hole if ya overdue it.  Rototills the topsoil.  Horribly lumpy on hard ground.  Real bad.



I have to mod the other chain slightly and put my regular ladder chains on the backs, see how it does in the woods all chained up.  Will build tracks someday, interested to see which will be best.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Walnut Beast on November 18, 2020, 09:18:50 PM
Looking forward to seeing the Forestry crane 🏗 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on November 20, 2020, 08:18:17 PM
Changed the tooth profile on the clearing saw today, its more agressive but also more grabby and abusive to the tool now.  I dont think i like it, especially near fence.


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Will be reaming out the bore hole on a husky clearing blade thats very different pretty soon i think. See how that works.


scheming on a bobcat plan ive kicked around for a while too.  



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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Firewoodjoe on November 22, 2020, 08:50:11 AM
I got the on for winter yesterday 
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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on December 11, 2020, 01:57:07 PM
Welp, i got my big bucket down from taxachusetts and got it hung then cleaned up the links and shortened pins to length, put on collars etc. 



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 Boy has been flogging the wood chip pile for a half hour.  Theyre out of school for atleast the next month and already driving me nuts so i figure 50cents of diesel = small price to pay. 



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Still have to rebuild the joystick heims when money comes along.  Right side is barely useable.   Flushed out the last round of red diesel and put 20w hydraulic in today.  Hafta get a filter soon.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Tacotodd on December 12, 2020, 07:10:20 AM
@mike_belben (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33722)  I know itís just an optical illusion but that dog looks like it has horns 🤣
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on December 12, 2020, 07:38:58 AM
Dog dont but some days the kids do!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on December 12, 2020, 10:19:07 AM

@mike_belben (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33722)  I know itís just an optical illusion but that dog looks like it has horns 🤣



Dog dont but some days the kids do!
Truer words have never been spoken!!!! :)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on December 12, 2020, 07:51:34 PM
Bit of progress on a rainy day.  I finished my deer sled/wood cart and it works great.  Fencepost, rebar, conduit and 14" rubber full of spray foam.. All free junk naturally. 


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Walnut Beast on December 12, 2020, 07:56:32 PM
One mans junk is another mans treasure!! Nice job Mike 👍
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: barbender on December 12, 2020, 08:00:49 PM
Shine that up and go into production. You'd probably pay at least $200 for that, maybe even an SGU, at Home Depot.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Tacotodd on December 12, 2020, 08:04:35 PM
Mike, fantastic!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on December 12, 2020, 08:11:31 PM
Then to hide from the kids i buried myself in one of the sheds with a file and another clearing saw blade.  This one is a fairly large husqvarna unit that i found in a stack of random blades and unlike any other ive tried, it has tooth set.  Then up at my dads i found a few more styles which all had the same sub 1" bore.. So i machined the hub down on my trimmer head to accept this apparently standard size without any more blade boring like the first one i tried.  



On this saw i started by refacing the mushed teeth to a blunt edge for tryouts and it cut fairly well without being grabby.  I will call this a low kickback, homeowner tooth profile.  Its still a sorta smashing cutter tooth rather than ripping, but it made a real kerf big enough to saw into without smoking or binding in the cut like grass and brush teeth


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But im not a homeowner yet, so that had to go.  I filed and refaced the teeth into basically the meanest chainsaw style beak cutters i could manage today.  


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Which turned it into a complete animal.  Its very grabby and kickbacks are serious in 1" and up wood anywhere other than the 4-5 o'clock position where its a manageable animal.  Its basically a skil saw on a stick now, behaves just like one.  

Probably good up to 4 or 5 inch stems with excellent dexterity and ability to cut stuff RIGHT next to keep stuff.  Im amazed.  Will never be without one now.

Thanks
@Stephen Alford (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=2754)  !  


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on December 12, 2020, 08:17:25 PM
Shine that up and go into production. You'd probably pay at least $200 for that, maybe even an SGU, at Home Depot.
i hate production.  Btdt.  Ill sell ya the rights for $500 plus a tip for jeff
;)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mudfarmer on December 14, 2020, 08:29:21 AM
Quote
Which turned it into a complete animal.  Its very grabby and kickbacks are serious in 1" and up wood anywhere other than the 4-5 o'clock position where its a manageable animal.  Its basically a skil saw on a stick now, behaves just like one.

Yup that's what I meant before, sounds like you made it work like a store bought blade, nice job!

I always keep everything and pick up any good deals or free stuff that might be handy later. This time it was some old tire chains out of my "what are you ever gonna do with that" pile. 2 mostly there but slightly mismatched chains + 3/4 of some other chain for the missing pieces = a front set for the bota


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Had a set of H-pattern rear chains a guy gave me for the old Belarus that just needed cut down. It needs a clutch and front axle rebuild and that won't happen this winter so now it needs chains too they weren't doing any good sitting around!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mjeselskis on December 30, 2020, 01:37:38 PM
Finished my roof, lights, and limb deflector cables on the tractor. I don't take it through much brush, but the limb deflectors are for anything that springs back from a brush pile while grappling or anything that decides to come up and over the bucket/grapple/forks and heads towards the operator. The roof is made with 1.75" DOM and skinned with 18ga sheet metal.


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: donbj on December 30, 2020, 01:41:02 PM
Finished my roof, lights, and limb deflector cables on the tractor. I don't take it through much brush, but the limb deflectors are for anything that springs back from a brush pile while grappling or anything that decides to come up and over the bucket/grapple/forks and heads towards the operator. The roof is made with 1.75" DOM and skinned with 18ga sheet metal.


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How did the clutch job work out?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mjeselskis on December 30, 2020, 02:03:42 PM
The new clutch works great so far. The information you provided was very helpful during the reassembly. It took WAY longer than it should have to get the shafts lined up to slide the tractor halves together, but once they meshed, everything else went good.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: donbj on December 30, 2020, 02:10:59 PM
It took WAY longer than it should have to get the shafts lined up to slide the tractor halves together, but once they meshed, everything else went good.

Yes that's the tricky part. Throw a few bucks at a shop manual, you'll be glad you did.

I thought I had big problems last year when my gear shift let go and just flopped around doing nothing. I though oh crap here goes a few thousand dollars into my transmission. The manual has the break down and all it was was a split pin inside the casing that joined the collar to the shaft inside. Took a day and a half to replace a fifty cent pin. Had to remove quite a bit of stuff to get at it.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on December 30, 2020, 02:11:52 PM
Nice job on the log catchers. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mjeselskis on December 30, 2020, 02:15:24 PM
The service manual is on the short list of things to order
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on December 30, 2020, 04:12:13 PM
Curious to know how you like having the lights there. I definitely need better lights on mine.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mjeselskis on December 30, 2020, 04:45:36 PM
Curious to know how you like having the lights there. I definitely need better lights on mine.
So far, so good. I haven't hit my head on them yet. Two forward, two back. I think the rear ones will be good for snowblowing and backhoe work. The front factory headlights are bright enough, but always blocked by the bucket or cross tube. I may aim the front ones down a little so I can see behind/under the bucket for the few times I'm moving dirt after dark.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on December 30, 2020, 07:30:12 PM
I always seem to finish that last log that should only take 5 minutes up about an hour into dark :)

Sure I am not the only one.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mjeselskis on December 30, 2020, 07:52:24 PM
I always seem to finish that last log that should only take 5 minutes up about an hour into dark :)

Sure I am not the only one.
Nope, certainly not the only one. It's time to quit when it's dark enough that you can see the sparks clearly when you saw into a rock.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: thecfarm on December 30, 2020, 08:00:44 PM
Nice size tractor you have there.
I like the lights too. Been thinking the same thing,2 up high, like you did and than 2 more that point down towards the ground in front. Probably only one that points towards the back. But I have a head lamp that really gets the light where I need it.  ;)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on December 30, 2020, 08:12:36 PM
I thought alot about putting some on the loader arms at the bend. Inside of course. I was just concerned I would get to much glare off of the hood.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on December 30, 2020, 08:51:57 PM
Ive bought a few ebay chicom LED multi light combo kits over the years.  Say a 18 bar and 4 small utility lights for $50 shipped.. That sorta thing.  All my junk has those and none have ever failed surprisingly. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on December 30, 2020, 09:09:31 PM
I found a dual 20" spot/flood package for $20 on amazon. I also got a bunch of 4" and all sorts of other random ones. All still going strong.

I have wanted some nice LED floodlights around my house for quite a while. I dunno if anyone has priced out the cost of 110v LED floodlights lately. But last time I looked a nice fixture was $130+. 

I picked up those 20" lightbars and wired them up to a PC power supply I had laying around. So now I have LED floodlights all over the house. Super simple, cost $20. I can easily light up across the yard and to the other side of my pond. That is not a small feat.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Ed_K on December 31, 2020, 07:35:31 AM
 Bought two 6" led lights on amazon and mounted them from the roof in the center front an back. I also got a west coast mirror and hung it sideways from the front inside center so I can see where I'm going backwards, I can't bend my neck enough to be able to look back. I have bumped the mirror getting on but it's easy to reach and reset.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on January 11, 2021, 07:12:38 PM
So id bought a $20 shipped knockoff pruner attachment based on a single vague picture.. Almost just to see what it even was honestly.. I partly expected a toy or a single piece of it.  I could not have known It had a 7 spline european drive gear and 26mm pole which wont fit my square drive 1" unit.  I couldnt find a trace of 7spline to square adapter whatsoever.  



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I whipped this up out of all sort of junk.  NPT threaded water pipe into the gear box after i tapped it.  A piece of pole from a trampoline safety fence that had a neckdown that slid over the 1" shaft and adapted via welder to the water pipe.  The drive shaft is a piece of steel 1/4" rod i cut out from a cable raceway assembly.  I welded a blob on the end and turned that into splines.  The female square drive i made from welding 4pcs of keystock onto the round shaft.   And it actually worked really good but started to twist the splines. 



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Back to the drawing board i guess. Handy to be able to cut limbs 15ft up from the ground. 


Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: dougtrr2 on January 13, 2021, 07:54:29 AM
The log catcher looks like a good idea.  Any "breakaway" provisions for the exhaust stack?  
Although if a log hits it, it will breakaway, just maybe not where you would like.

Doug in SW IA
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Dom on January 13, 2021, 08:12:15 AM
So id bought a $20 shipped knockoff pruner attachment based on a single vague picture.. Almost just to see what it even was honestly.. I partly expected a toy or a single piece of it.  I could not have known It had a 7 spline european drive gear and 26mm pole which wont fit my square drive 1" unit.  I couldnt find a trace of 7spline to square adapter whatsoever.  


At $20, it was worth a try.  smiley_thumbsup Curious if you come up with another solution. I've been tempted to buy one for our echo, but they are expensive. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mjeselskis on January 13, 2021, 10:21:06 AM
The log catcher looks like a good idea.  Any "breakaway" provisions for the exhaust stack?  
Although if a log hits it, it will breakaway, just maybe not where you would like.

Doug in SW IA
No exhaust breakaway yet. I may build a new exhaust pipe that angles back and shoots up to the roof, but haven't decided yet. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on January 13, 2021, 11:09:51 AM
At $20, it was worth a try.  smiley_thumbsup Curious if you come up with another solution. I've been tempted to buy one for our echo, but they are expensive.
pull your echo head off and measure the shaft and count the spline.  i think echo may use a 7 spline.  there is also 9 spline and obviously square drive.  if you've got a 26mm shaft then there are all 3 available. for knockoffs theres a square drive 26mm pruner head for under $60 i have saved somewhere.  an NPT tap goes right in for it to thread to water pipe.  
i haven't solved the issue yet.  I'm thinking a piece of drill rod thats fat enough to bring down to the finished spline without any welding there.  then grinding in flats to weld on the square drive end again.  not having any issues at the bottom, just the top. its on the back burner until the piece of material lands in my lap or someone hires me for a job that will just pay for the OEM still attachment.  for now its just a personal use tool i need once or twice a year maybe.    
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on January 13, 2021, 11:11:39 AM
actually maybe rebar will work.  the shaft i made flexes all over inside the pipe and it was very crooked when i started so it don't need to be perfect. it'd be fine by my standards if the splines weren't twisting off.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Edvantage on January 26, 2021, 07:44:31 PM
My almost free snowblower setup. The three point blower was given to me. I had an extra quick attach plate hanging around. I called a hydraulic supplier to size a motor to run off the bobcat auxilliary hydraulics. Turns out the exact motor was kicking around in my asst junk. The only purchased items where a couple of quick connects, lovejoy coupling, and a check valve. Best of all my 16 yr old welded it up and made it go. Wish I had this year's ago. Everyone said a low Flo machine wouldn't work for a snowblower. I guess they where wrong this thing is awesome. Finally got a little snow to give it a good test
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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on January 26, 2021, 08:06:01 PM
Atta boy, love it. 

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mjeselskis on February 01, 2021, 11:17:23 AM
I got this contraption for nothing. Apparently it's made to drag into a row of round bales and wrap them for the winter. From what I gather, it wasn't pleasant to use, so it got tossed in the bushes. I'm planning to strip it down,  narrow up the frame rails to 34", and make it into an off road log trailer. The frame rails are 12 ft long now, so I'll add a tongue to it and keep the 12 ft deck. I'm going to build a walking beam for it. It also had a pile of extra square and round tube sitting in it that will come in handy


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The stub axles that are on it now are 1 3/4". They are stamped 3000. I'm wondering if they are strong enough for carrying a load of logs, or worse yet, if I add a dump body and subframe to it from a one ton like I'm hoping. If it's really a 3,000lb axle and hub, I should be fine.

Wishing for a plasma cutter right now.


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 01, 2021, 12:08:05 PM
The stubs will be fine if the stickout length is short.  So youll want to completely remove them from that frame and clean them back to round.  The get the pieces for your walking beam rockers.. Big square tube is best.. 3x3 by 1/4 would work.  Now drill measured out pilot holes straight through both faces of the square then come in with a holesaw at low rpm and well oiled to blow that out.  Insert your spindle stubs and weld both faces.  




   Do the same in the center for your pivot and make it a double capture like the equalizer in your leaf sprung car trailer, plates on each side. Except drill this set of holes out for a weld in bushing tube and a greased bolt or plate to go through.  3/4 is plenty for the bolt in double shear.  Dont go too crazy welding the bushing tube as in time you may need to cut and grind it flush to knock it out and replace. 


The pivot bolts should get tack welded or tabbed and bolted to the outside brackets so the bolt stays stationary and the tube sleeve rocks on the bolt shaft.  Sorta like how excavators pin the pivots in order that the intended part wears out exactly where it is intended to wear for longest service life.  


Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 01, 2021, 12:08:49 PM
Fwiw.. A 3k spindle usually wont fail until 6k.  Insurance has made industry love a 50% safety factor. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mjeselskis on February 01, 2021, 12:21:09 PM
The stubs will be fine if the stickout length is short.  So youll want to completely remove them from that frame and clean them back to round.  The get the pieces for your walking beam rockers.. Big square tube is best.. 3x3 by 1/4 would work.  Now drill measured out pilot holes straight through both faces of the square then come in with a holesaw at low rpm and well oiled to blow that out.  Insert your spindle stubs and weld both faces.  




   Do the same in the center for your pivot and make it a double capture like the equalizer in your leaf sprung car trailer, plates on each side. Except drill this set of holes out for a weld in bushing tube and a greased bolt or plate to go through.  3/4 is plenty for the bolt in double shear.  Dont go too crazy welding the bushing tube as in time you may need to cut and grind it flush to knock it out and replace.


The pivot bolts should get tack welded or tabbed and bolted to the outside brackets so the bolt stays stationary and the tube sleeve rocks on the bolt shaft.  Sorta like how excavators pin the pivots in order that the intended part wears out exactly where it is intended to wear for longest service life.  
Thanks Mike, appreciate the help. I'm pretty sure I have some 3"x3"x3/8" square tube in my metal pile buried under the snow that I was thinking about using for the walking beam rockers. 
I also have a 4ft length of 1.625" shaft that I was thinking about cutting down to use for the center beam pivot. I was debating using that to avoid the double capture so I could have 360į beam rotation if I needed it. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 01, 2021, 12:43:09 PM
If im picturing 360 beam rotation correctly, dont bother.  Youll never need it and when you do there will logs over the tires so it aint happening.  


My interstate 18DT has 3/4" equalizer pivots so clearly its enough for 10 ton.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mjeselskis on February 01, 2021, 12:58:36 PM
If im picturing 360 beam rotation correctly, dont bother.  Youll never need it and when you do there will logs over the tires so it aint happening.  


My interstate 18DT has 3/4" equalizer pivots so clearly its enough for 10 ton.  
Yeah, I probably don't need 360 rotation. In order to make it happen, I'd have to keep my log uprights narrow enough to allow the tires to clear which would limit the load size. I likely wouldn't put my tractor through any terrain rough enough to require the trailer to have that much flexibility.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 01, 2021, 01:49:59 PM
Definitely not.  


Now there is nothing wrong with using an axle for the bogie pivot so you can bolt the walking beams on to a suspension for dual purpose. 

Say quad tires on beams for the woods and then road tires singled up for the road.  Thats fine if you need dual purpose.  The bogie will halve the amount your trailer rises up over stumps and double the flotation but be a little harder to steer because of the spread. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Bruno of NH on February 01, 2021, 05:50:02 PM
Ok I need some help
I want to build a sawdust conveyor old school out of 2x wood with manure spreader chain and wood paddles .
8" wide x 20'long.
Powered by a electric motor. 
What would I need for sprockets,  shafts , bearings and such to get it to work.
Thanks Bruno
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 01, 2021, 11:09:08 PM
Do you have any parts for it or buying all of them?  What motor hp and rpm?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Bruno of NH on February 01, 2021, 11:33:43 PM
I would be buying all the parts
Looking to save any way I could 
Look for used things 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: donbj on February 02, 2021, 12:48:18 AM
Prowl around for an old bale elevator and use the chain and mechanics from it.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: snowstorm on February 02, 2021, 01:03:00 AM
Ok I need some help
I want to build a sawdust conveyor old school out of 2x wood with manure spreader chain and wood paddles .
8" wide x 20'long.
Powered by a electric motor.
What would I need for sprockets,  shafts , bearings and such to get it to work.
Thanks Bruno
sander bed chain. where i buy mine he builds to order and will have the sprockets. if you want i can get his phone number. right now its time to go push snow
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 02, 2021, 09:20:39 AM
Sander chain is probably a great idea.  You could make the frame out of timbers and plank then skin the runway with steel sheet, just be sure the fasteners arent getting scraped by the chain. 



A small motor with low power consumption can do it if you gear down.  


Is this gonna be batch loaded by a skid steer or just have dust falling off the mill as you go?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Bruno of NH on February 02, 2021, 11:22:17 AM
Dust coming from the sawdust chute on the mill
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on February 02, 2021, 11:36:00 AM
Here is a dumb idea for you bruno. make a trough that the sawdust blows into and have a scoop hooked to the mill. As the head moves it will drag the plate that will slide all the sawdust down the chute. 

Simple and cheap. You may end up with a big pile at one end and a small pile at the other, but still better than all over the place.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 02, 2021, 12:01:17 PM
Okay then ladder style salt chain may be overkill and quite expensive. Plus takes much heavier components and power to run it vs narrow rubber belting.  


A piece of gutter laid down as a trough with a plastic bondo spreader or something like that cut into a form fitting wiper off the mill carriage like crusarious suggest may be a cheap way to get the dust into bins at the ends of the mill.  Some old aluminum siding or flashing is easy to bend and rivet in place for baffles to catch it all. 



If a conveyor is a must maybe consider a narrow rubber belt.  TSC and agrisupply seem to stock belt for bailers or pickers maybe. 


A 4 or 6" wide rubber belt conveyor can run over lawn mower wheels on an axle with independent slide adjustment for tension and tracking at the idler end.  The wheels already have bearings so there is savings right there.. Just mount them on .750" shaft stock or whatever size spindles the mower had.  The driving wheel id just weld the bearing to the rim and shaft then weld a sprocket and hub.. Or a jaw coupler.  A right angle gear box will give you the reduction, the motor mount and motor coupling all in one package so that saves money.  




Here is a cheap small low power one that will probably work for a small rubber belt and light load

50:1 Right Angle Gear Reducer | Cast Iron Shaft Input Gear Reducers | Gear Reducers & Gearboxes | Power Transmission | www.surpluscenter.com (https://www.surpluscenter.com/Power-Transmission/Gear-Reducers-Gearboxes/Cast-Iron-Shaft-Input-Gear-Reducers/50-1-Right-Angle-Gear-Reducer-13-1594.axd)






   Inflating tires after tensioning will help increase the tension too.  And it wont take much power to run.  I guess you just have to start pricing stuff and choose a direction.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on February 02, 2021, 12:05:07 PM
Gutter is a great idea. I was thinking PVC. But unfortunately PVC in 10-12" size which is where I would want to be is not cheap.

Could always used 2 6" gutters next to each other and just cut a flap to fit into both. All mounted together so it can't separate.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Corley5 on February 02, 2021, 12:35:45 PM
Why not use a Harbor Freight dust collector blower?  That's what I use on my firewood processor.  I took the dust collector stuff off and just use the blower to throw the sawdust outside.  It's been in service since summer 2019.  Moved a lot of sawdust 8).  Cheap, simple, and effective :) :)  I bought the 28 month replacement warranty.  Haven't needed it yet ;) ;D :)  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Bruno of NH on February 02, 2021, 03:12:10 PM
I worrie about the wet sawdust in the winter when I'm running washer fluid. 
I use alot keeping the band clean and cool.
I notice it cuts much smoother with washer fluid in frozen logs.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on February 02, 2021, 03:14:44 PM
That is definitely a very valid concern. With a metal tray you could add some heat tape to it if that becomes an issue. But no matter what you do you may still have that issue. even if its just a dust collector.

Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Corley5 on February 02, 2021, 05:41:07 PM
Washer fluid doesn't freeze.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Tacotodd on February 02, 2021, 06:10:02 PM
Yes it will, but itís GOT to be cooolld!!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Corley5 on February 02, 2021, 06:47:00 PM
Or REALLY cheap :D  ;D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 02, 2021, 07:53:22 PM
Any of you guys brazing wizards?  Im having some issues trying to oxy-propane braze stainless to stainless with stay silv 45 rods.  The blue flux coated ones. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: moodnacreek on February 03, 2021, 08:24:47 AM
Never tried stainless. I used to do a lot of brazing. On thin stuff the tip size and pressure settings are important. As in soldering, if it will tin, it will braze.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on February 03, 2021, 08:33:10 AM
hey @bruno, how bout using a piece of steel roofing formed into a U for the sawdust trough. Give you a larger trough and I think if you do get freezing in it, it probably won't effect the function very much. Plus it will warm up and defrost much faster than PVC.

Still go with the idea to connect a drag plate to the head and let the sawmill do all the work.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: PoginyHill on February 03, 2021, 09:23:55 AM
how bout using a piece of steel roofing formed into a U for the sawdust trough
Double-walled culverts cut in half work well and the plastic is very slippery. I've used them for a firewood chute to the basement. I think they come as small as 10". I like Crusarius's idea of a one-way scraper or wiper.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on February 03, 2021, 09:25:51 AM
I have no idea what one of those culverts would cost, but I am sure its not cheap.

edit: about 200$ for a 20' length of 12" from tractor supply. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 03, 2021, 09:27:37 AM
double corrugated culvert is a good idea too.  but i think if its single direction you'll have sawdust loaded up at the capped end.  i think it needs to be two directional or the wiper needs to be lifted out of the trough in one direction. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 03, 2021, 09:32:31 AM
and fwiw, lead conveyors in ranges are an oscillating tray.  basically a coated C channel as long as necessary, up to a few hundred feet,  that has an eccentric shaft spun by a motor to a toggle bar that shoves it.  almost like a vibratory screener except there is no fixed pivot.


  link belt makes theirs on fiberglass reeds for the flexing motion.. its very slight.  but that lead just marches along into the drum at the end.  id say it was 30 yrs ago my dad installed the ones i maintained and neither of us never saw a major failure.  thats running 6 days a week 2 or 3 shifts long.  lead is just too heavy, sharp and full of fine powder for any belt, paddle or chain conveyance to last.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Corley5 on February 03, 2021, 09:33:45 AM
70 gallon 2 HP High Flow High Capacity Dust Collector (harborfreight.com) (https://www.harborfreight.com/2-hp-industrial-5-micron-dust-collector-97869.html)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on February 03, 2021, 10:27:36 AM
mike, for the small amount that would get pushed back it wouldn;t be a big deal to just put a bucket or something there to catch the little overflow. I would just make a solid link to the sawdust chute and a fixed scraper then deal with the little that is pushed back.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: PoginyHill on February 03, 2021, 10:42:58 AM
I have no idea what one of those culverts would cost, but I am sure its not cheap.

edit: about 200$ for a 20' length of 12" from tractor supply.
Menards has 8" dual wall 20ft section for $70, 10" for $100. I don't have a Menards within 500 miles, but they must be out there. I think I've bought bigger than 12" for around $200. That seems rather expensive for 12".
https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/pipe-fittings/culvert-pipe-accessories/corrugated-solid-dual-wall-plain-end-culvert-drainage-pipe/10gf20np/plumbing/pipe-fittings/culvert-pipe-accessories/corrugated-solid-dual-wall-plain-end-culvert-drainage-pipe/08gf20np/p-1444451523087.htm

Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on February 03, 2021, 10:44:19 AM
yea. I dunno where the nearest menards is to me. Bruno may be lucky though.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: PoginyHill on February 03, 2021, 11:50:23 AM
I've not checked my local Tractor Supply. I've gotten culverts from a local dealer (they carry drainage stuff, septic tanks, fabric, etc...). I'm guessing a local retailer might be cheaper than TSC. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on February 03, 2021, 11:55:50 AM
could be. that was just a super quick google search. at least it answered my question
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: thecfarm on February 03, 2021, 09:26:23 PM
Them culverts come as small as 6 inches. The hardware store I work at sell them. They are called smooth bore.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on February 04, 2021, 06:23:27 AM
I need a 6' diameter one for a convection kiln experiment :)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: snowstorm on February 04, 2021, 06:45:06 AM
why not what others have used. this may not be spelled right. pratz barn cleaner
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Corley5 on February 04, 2021, 08:33:21 AM
Sawdust blower on a bandmill in Sawmills and Milling (forestryforum.com) (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=21322.msg1488479#msg1488479)

Just one thread that comes up in a search of the FF using blower and mill as keywords.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Ed_K on February 04, 2021, 08:51:11 AM
 Sooner or later your going to have to work off that side of the mill ;D. Look at the dust blowers that Corley5 mentioned plus the setup that teakwood built.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Bruno of NH on February 04, 2021, 04:45:03 PM
I'm going to give the blower a shot.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: g_man on February 05, 2021, 07:13:24 PM
Talking about a blower on your mill reminds me of the mill I used to use for softwood which is closed now. But since I brought in my logs in with a  dump truck he made me back into the blower outlet area to dump them so that the ends of the logs would stay clean and not get all muddy making it easy for him to check for rot. The first time I did that I left the door of the truck open while I unhooked the load straps. It was like being in a sawdust storm and when I got back in the truck the cab was 1/2 full of saw dust. Allen thought it was pretty funny. After that he turned the blower off for me.

gg
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Hilltop366 on February 06, 2021, 04:08:22 AM
A local garage left the window down a bit on a customers car during a blizzard, filled the car completely. Apparently the conditions were just right.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 06, 2021, 08:56:39 AM
The corrupt impound lot/repair shop that DOT had me towed to (regional towing, middletown ny) was purposefully scraping the gravel lot with a wheel loader and piling the snow and gravels 8 feet high ontop the impounded cars so that no one could get them out while the huge daily charge racked up.  


Lord as my witness, one guy told me to back my trailer right into 2 other peoples cars, as in just push it right in between those two where it wouldnt fit.. I refused. I asked if they were in the scrap car business too ..he said something to the effect of 'no these are impounds but theyre gonna be scrap.'  I gave him a death stare and made it clear my trailer better get treated right.

When i went to retrieve it another guy was raking up all the snow he could get to put it ontop the cars.  One that was pulled out of that spot, probably for retrieval by the owner, had the whilole roof caved in, sunroof shattered and interior covered in gravel.   "Not responsible for damage" signs and clauses all over spell out immunity. the NYSP and court ensure they get away with it and all should be in prison.  The SP barracks has an impound lot where your stuff is supposed to go for free.  They raped me for around $2700 in "storage" for a month then falsified the documents to make a deal when i told them $2100 or shove that old rusty trailer up your..  

Im required to forgive them, but i wont cry if they all die slow and painful.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: brianJ on February 06, 2021, 10:29:11 AM
The corrupt impound lot/repair shop that DOT had me towed to (regional towing, middletown ny) was purposefully scraping the gravel lot with a wheel loader and piling the snow and gravels 8 feet high ontop the impounded cars so that no one could get them out while the huge daily charge racked up.  


Lord as my witness, one guy told me to back my trailer right into 2 other peoples cars, as in just push it right in between those two where it wouldnt fit.. I refused. I asked if they were in the scrap car business too ..he said something to the effect of 'no these are impounds but theyre gonna be scrap.'  I gave him a death stare and made it clear my trailer better get treated right.

When i went to retrieve it another guy was raking up all the snow he could get to put it ontop the cars.  One that was pulled out of that spot, probably for retrieval by the owner, had the whilole roof caved in, sunroof shattered and interior covered in gravel.   "Not responsible for damage" signs and clauses all over spell out immunity. the NYSP and court ensure they get away with it and all should be in prison.  The SP barracks has an impound lot where your stuff is supposed to go for free.  They raped me for around $2700 in "storage" for a month then falsified the documents to make a deal when i told them $2100 or shove that old rusty trailer up your..  

Here is an example of qualified immunity.   Then there is civil asset forfeiture and the many false confessions due to police lying to suspects.     So police can lie, steal, and get away with it.      
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: 78NHTFY on February 06, 2021, 10:41:40 AM
g-man: ya, but I bet the cab got a permanent air freshener treatment--the smell of spruce  :D :D.  How's this winter treating you up North?  All the best, Rob.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mudfarmer on February 06, 2021, 04:19:52 PM
I'll put this one up here since it is sorta forestry related, in that it attaches to my 3pt winch :)

Really have been wanting a round bale spear that attaches to the winch and not the 3pt itself or the bucket. I am stubborn enough to just roll bales around in the snow by hand before taking the winch off, putting back on, etc. This is something that only gets used for 10min every 5-8 days.

Design constraints: $0, made from junk already lying around. This was complicated by 2ft of snow covering most of my junk so the inputs were even more limited :D

Some type of old axle (square on one end, tapered to threads on the other end w/ a keyway), chunk of pipe to sleeve it a ways, chunk of slightly bent 2" square tube for the receiver,  18" pipe nipple, two chunks of ubolt from F350 leaf spring replacement, angle iron, random chunk of heavy flat stock and some gusset plates that were scrap from some shearing. Add it all up in a snowstorm this morning and this gets puked out:


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The solid bar and pipe it is sleeved with go all the way to the back of the 2" square that is in the receiver hitch so it could be welded front and back but this means not feasible to drill for a pin. Still need weld in two bolts in each of those top triangular plates that match up with the chain slots in the winch. Hard to tell in the pic but there is heavy angle iron v down underneath the spike. This is welded to the spike in the front and tapered to a point, also welded 8" along each bottom corner of the 2" tube that goes into receiver


The whole deal slides into the receiver, then just finger tighten nuts on the bolts through the chain slot so it can't slide out of the hitch or twist/rotate much :o

Would change some stuff on v2 but v1 works and temporary fixes last the longest as we know. Built in a snowbank during a snow storm with a 110v lincoln/flux core, flap disk and cutoff wheel...
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: g_man on February 06, 2021, 07:08:56 PM
g-man: ya, but I bet the cab got a permanent air freshener treatment--the smell of spruce  :D :D.  How's this winter treating you up North?  All the best, Rob.
Permanent air freshener is right.
Doing good up here Rob, thanks. A good winter to get around in the woods so far. All the predicted big storms were fizzles for us here in the shadow of the White Mntns for coastal storms and no frigid weather either. So I'm just enjoying my normal winter spruce and fir thing. No schedules or dead lines - and a good thing too.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/21065/20_1_10.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1612656413)
 
gg
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: FairFrank on February 12, 2021, 04:27:36 AM
g-man: ya, but I bet the cab got a permanent air freshener treatment--the smell of spruce  :D :D.  How's this winter treating you up North?  All the best, Rob.
Permanent air freshener is right.
Doing good up here Rob, thanks. A good winter to get around in the woods so far. All the predicted big storms were fizzles for us here in the shadow of the White Mntns for coastal storms and no frigid weather either. So I'm just enjoying my normal winter spruce and fir thing. No schedules or dead lines - and a good thing too. (https://grillguru.org/best-wood-to-smoke-turkey/)

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gg
Poet of White mountains  ;D Don't you think pals that his winter is colder than previous?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Ed_K on February 12, 2021, 07:04:27 AM
 Yes, we're into our 6th week of extra cold and light snow every other day :(. Always said that I couldn't go out if it was under 22į, now it's 30į before going out but it never gets that high >:(.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mjeselskis on February 14, 2021, 11:55:13 AM
I got this contraption for nothing. Apparently it's made to drag into a row of round bales and wrap them for the winter. From what I gather, it wasn't pleasant to use, so it got tossed in the bushes. I'm planning to strip it down,  narrow up the frame rails to 34", and make it into an off road log trailer. The frame rails are 12 ft long now, so I'll add a tongue to it and keep the 12 ft deck. I'm going to build a walking beam for it. It also had a pile of extra square and round tube sitting in it that will come in handy


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The stub axles that are on it now are 1 3/4". They are stamped 3000. I'm wondering if they are strong enough for carrying a load of logs, or worse yet, if I add a dump body and subframe to it from a one ton like I'm hoping. If it's really a 3,000lb axle and hub, I should be fine.

Wishing for a plasma cutter right now.


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I think the deconstruction stage is complete and it's time to start assembly. One of the 5x5 square tube "frame rails" had a nasty bend in it that was poorly patched before so that got cut out, joined, plated, and the frame rail extended. Both rails have a sweep in them that I'll have to straighten whenv the cross members are welded in. The main frame rails are 5x5x1/4 and the piece on the left is a piece of 5x5x3/8 I had in my pile that I'll use for the tongue.

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mjeselskis on February 14, 2021, 03:04:30 PM
I got this contraption for nothing. Apparently it's made to drag into a row of round bales and wrap them for the winter. From what I gather, it wasn't pleasant to use, so it got tossed in the bushes. I'm planning to strip it down,  narrow up the frame rails to 34", and make it into an off road log trailer. The frame rails are 12 ft long now, so I'll add a tongue to it and keep the 12 ft deck. I'm going to build a walking beam for it. It also had a pile of extra square and round tube sitting in it that will come in handy


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The stub axles that are on it now are 1 3/4". They are stamped 3000. I'm wondering if they are strong enough for carrying a load of logs, or worse yet, if I add a dump body and subframe to it from a one ton like I'm hoping. If it's really a 3,000lb axle and hub, I should be fine.

Wishing for a plasma cutter right now.


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I think the deconstruction stage is complete and it's time to start assembly. One of the 5x5 square tube "frame rails" had a nasty bend in it that was poorly patched before so that got cut out, joined, plated, and the frame rail extended. Both rails have a sweep in them that I'll have to straighten whenv the cross members are welded in. The main frame rails are 5x5x1/4 and the piece on the left is a piece of 5x5x3/8 I had in my pile that I'll use for the tongue.

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It's one of those days. Got it all squared up and started tacking the cross members in when I remembered that the frame width was supposed to be 34", not the 37" that's sitting in front of me... 
Man, that 5x5x3/8 was fun to cut and bevel the first time...
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 14, 2021, 03:11:01 PM
Either preheat the backside with a torch or watch your one sided welds pull it into dueling bananas. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mjeselskis on February 14, 2021, 03:55:47 PM
Either preheat the backside with a torch or watch your one sided welds pull it into dueling bananas.
I'm pretty good at making bananas. I planned to jump around doing short welds to try to minimize the warping. Where would you heat? The main frame rails are capped so I can't heat the backside of the weld.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 14, 2021, 04:33:56 PM
Youre welding the inside faces of the square tube so heat the outside faces.  The vertical planes facing outboard of the rungs.   
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: g_man on February 14, 2021, 06:40:47 PM
g-man: ya, but I bet the cab got a permanent air freshener treatment--the smell of spruce  :D :D.  How's this winter treating you up North?  All the best, Rob.
Permanent air freshener is right.
Doing good up here Rob, thanks. A good winter to get around in the woods so far. All the predicted big storms were fizzles for us here in the shadow of the White Mntns for coastal storms and no frigid weather either. So I'm just enjoying my normal winter spruce and fir thing. No schedules or dead lines - and a good thing too. (https://grillguru.org/best-wood-to-smoke-turkey/)

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gg
Poet of White mountains  ;D Don't you think pals that his winter is colder than previous?
Hey - you give me to much credit. I'm no where close to being a poet.
When I said we were in the shadow of the Whites I did not mean it in a poetic sense, I was trying to describe a weather phenomenon that occurs here with coastal storms. They have easterly winds and as the air rises up the east slopes it dries and dumps the snow. So that means that us who live close in on the western side have dry air and little snow - like we are in a snow shadow.
And our weather here is warmer than last year. We've just had our 1st below 0 F weather this week. Normally it starts around Christmas or before. The cold might be where you are but not here which is a good thing  ;D
gg
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mudfarmer on February 22, 2021, 06:23:38 PM
Have used the farmi winch mounted bale spear posted earlier a few times, working great.


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It has saved more time than it took to build, sounds like a win and no need to bother building version 2.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 22, 2021, 08:31:31 PM
The  SpileDriver©


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on February 22, 2021, 08:35:54 PM
And some much needed evaporator mods in progress. 



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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on March 20, 2021, 06:09:59 PM
The evaporator mods came out pretty good.  It is also a grill, oven, cooktop and smoker now depending on how you set the pieces up, and im getting an education out of tinkering on that.  Ive made a handful of stoves but never like this


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Meanwhile.. The govt keeps sending money i dont really need or want. So in an effort to keep the money local, i stimulated a nearby fellows bottom line on some 7.60-15 front rubbers that he had on a suzuki samurai.  


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I put them on some free jeep cherokee rims and stuck em on the TSI peewee swing grapple skidder project with boy today.  Flawless fit.. Very excited to build this one for him. Or me.. Whichever  ;D


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on March 20, 2021, 09:35:46 PM
that thing is gonna be sweet!!!!!!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: PoginyHill on April 01, 2021, 01:51:18 PM
So now with rain and mud, I move in the garage for some indoor projects. The pressure-treated plywood bed of my utility trailer lasted only about 7 years. I've not had good luck with PT plywood. So I've taken the opportunity to lengthen the 12ft bed a foot or so, and widen it about 10" to use the "dead" space between the frame and wheels. I will use 5/4" pressure treated boards for the bed and make new sideboards. So far, stripped the old stuff off and welded on the width extensions - 3" channel iron. If all goes well, I'll complete it this weekend.
Next on the agenda is a 16ft firewood table/trailer. I'll start a new thread. That'll be a bit more involved. Might even get a start on that this weekend.

The trailer as I outfitted it 7 years ago (bought the frame from my farmer neighbor for $50)

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Stripped to the original frame:

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Modified frame. Welded 3" channel iron to widen the bed.

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: newoodguy78 on April 02, 2021, 10:27:41 PM
A little progress on the repower job Iíve been working on. The exhaust manifold is not ideal for this application but it should work with a little fabricobbing ,also had to extend the shroud on the radiator. Other than two clamps it was all stuff that was already on hand. Always enjoy making useful stuff out of repurposed items.
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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mjeselskis on April 03, 2021, 03:35:45 PM
I needed a roller to pack 5 acres of field that I tilled for reseeding. I couldn't find anything big enough, but this will work. Made from a 320 gallon propane tank. Weighs about 700lb empty and about 3,300lb full of water.


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on April 03, 2021, 04:16:49 PM
that is the nicest roller I have ever seen. I bet it will last much longer than a store bought one. The wall is 3 times as thick!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Old Greenhorn on April 03, 2021, 04:34:28 PM
That roller is a beaut! I have a small one I use around the yard in the spring and fall. I keep meaning to add a scraper bar that just lays on the top of it's own weight and knocks off the clods that stick to the roller. Have you considered that or is that kind of 'precision' not required for your work? 
 Mine is gonna develop a split one of these days, I have no idea how old it is, but 40-50 years seems about right. Don't even know what's in it. ;D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mjeselskis on April 03, 2021, 05:41:07 PM
that is the nicest roller I have ever seen. I bet it will last much longer than a store bought one. The wall is 3 times as thick!
Thanks. I was pleasantly surprised by the wall thickness on this. It's almost 3/16" thick so it should hold up well.

That roller is a beaut! I have a small one I use around the yard in the spring and fall. I keep meaning to add a scraper bar that just lays on the top of it's own weight and knocks off the clods that stick to the roller. Have you considered that or is that kind of 'precision' not required for your work?
 Mine is gonna develop a split one of these days, I have no idea how old it is, but 40-50 years seems about right. Don't even know what's in it. ;D
Precision is not required on this first job, but I may modify it if too many clods stick to it. The square tube that runs parallel to the tank is just under 2" away from it,  so I could probably just add something to it if I need to.

Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: ljohnsaw on April 03, 2021, 07:03:13 PM
The square tube that runs parallel to the tank is just under 2" away from it, so I could probably just add something to it if I need to.
Pretty neat!  You could take a strip of UHMW and attach it to a piece of angle iron that is hinged to the tube.  The UHWM will wear (slowly as it is VERY slippery) and not mess up your paint job too badly.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mjeselskis on April 03, 2021, 07:31:12 PM
The square tube that runs parallel to the tank is just under 2" away from it, so I could probably just add something to it if I need to.
Pretty neat!  You could take a strip of UHMW and attach it to a piece of angle iron that is hinged to the tube.  The UHWM will wear (slowly as it is VERY slippery) and not mess up your paint job too badly.
Good idea. I think I have a piece of uhmw that is about the right length. It was on the bottom of the runners of my ice fishing shack, but they outlasted the shack. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Old Greenhorn on April 03, 2021, 07:43:53 PM
For mine I figured something like a hinged piece of angle iron that would lay on the top of the roller but brag on it by it's own weight. If it hit something hard, it would lift up. I hate when a piece of mud is filled with small stones, then I pull off onto a hard surface and the thing is bouncing over that stone every time it comes around. Your experience and whether it is worth it or not for you, will be apparent pretty soon when you test it out. Nice job in any event!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: newoodguy78 on April 04, 2021, 01:14:31 AM
Great job on the roller I like it
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 04, 2021, 03:47:41 AM
Yes, top notch roller.  smiley_thumbsup


I would rip a piece of 2x lumber into a ramp on the tablesaw then screw pieces of a cut up mudflap along the wood so it contacts the roller tangentially for a wiper.   If it needs more pressure you could do sheetmetal over, under or sandwiching the flap.  


 I made a dirt roller with wiper where a C channel directly contacted a heavy precision conveyor roll for the drum.  The channel was floating on threaded rods with springs, washers and nuts holding it down to the side arms.  The performance was impeccable but noise unbearable and the wiper was discarded. 


The plastic type flaps up front should be pretty silent and scrape well.  Plus that way the loose material gets kicked in front instead of the back and will be compacted again. Hopefully the compaction reduces erosion and seed loss in heavy rain. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 04, 2021, 03:48:55 AM
I like that 55G drum fan shroud too.  Clever. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 04, 2021, 03:57:48 AM
@PoginyHill (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=48760)  

I just noticed the upside down steer beam on your trailer.  Thats a clever lift kit.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: PoginyHill on April 05, 2021, 07:35:35 AM
Yes. It came that way. Provides great clearance over rough terrain. Only downside is the bed is rather high for the wife - Hence the lower sideboards.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: PoginyHill on April 05, 2021, 07:57:40 AM
I needed a roller to pack 5 acres of field that I tilled for reseeding. I couldn't find anything big enough, but this will work. Made from a 320 gallon propane tank. Weighs about 700lb empty and about 3,300lb full of water.
Awesome roller. Do you rent it out??
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: PoginyHill on April 05, 2021, 08:01:48 AM
Finished the trailer rebuild.

Ready for decking:

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Self-tapping deck screws are the cat's meow...
 
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Sideboards are only 12" high. Stakes are 20" high.

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Ready for work.

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 05, 2021, 02:23:56 PM
Came out great.  I will be incorporating receiver tubes at the tongue of all future trailers.  I have two i can swap like that and will stick with it for versatility and security.  I padlock my safety chains into the hitch hole or lunette eye just to frusterate a thief.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 10, 2021, 11:16:04 PM
Ive been workin on improving my hodgepodge skidding attachment.  Its sort of an embarrassment that shoulda never been.. It was once a beautiful ripping blade for my little deere 140 but desperation morphed it into this ugly thing.


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But the winch was on a receiver that forced it too far back to skid with chokers on cable so i always had to reel them in then switch the chokers to the buttplate notches.  


I grafted a pin-on hoist to it so id have an offroad cherry picker, and naturally tried a higher cable angle.  Cable height certainly helps get logs climbing up out of tangles.



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Well, revision 3 got tested today.


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The height helps offer a tiny bit of rollover protection in that it may keep the tractor weight off my noggin.


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It still carries all my junk out to the woods and back. (I dont normally bring 3 saws.. Was just making sure they still fit with the changes) Now the winch is hard mounted at about 6ft high and with full remote control which is fantastic.  I did remote control and the new 500amp contactor for around $70 total.  Itll control the winch well beyond my 100ft cable length.


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Its still only a 2wd weenie tractor that cant keep the steers down and doesnt have a strong enough front axle or steering for a loader.  The mods did make a difference in time efficiency from the remote and pulling efficiency from the cable height being raised.  The tractor just repositions the attachment and charges the battery to bunch logs together. The cable brings cull trees to the main trail without tearing up keepers.  I need a cable boom on my trailer now for loading the stuff along the main trail.  


I still havent maxxed out the 27hp diesel at all.  It would take 4wd and a FEL to be able to keep the headlights down.  The balance issue is such that i am wheelie-ing near idle with a full tree cut into two sticks .. Probably 3-5 hp brings it up.  On the trailer i can get maybe 5-8 trees out (a full cord) in one pass at maybe half power.  4wd and a full frame loader could fix the balaance issue and i suspect 27hp would move 2cord at a time on good ground.  My ballpark number for flat ground vs even the slightest incline is probably 3 to 5x more can be moved on dead flat.  Even a 5ft long 1% rise will wheelie.  Now atleast i am using the winch as a mainline instead of chokers on the rack,  and i now bump it in freewheel, drive past the spot, winch in and continue.  About doubling what i can do if needed, with the same machine. 

Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Walnut Beast on April 10, 2021, 11:47:57 PM
Looks great. Sounds like the remote works pretty awesome. How about a shorted axle with wheels you can put under the front logs to take the weight off the rear of the tractor 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 11, 2021, 08:52:30 AM
I considered that.. If i HAD to skid, a wheelie caster would help alot and id definitely try it.  BUT.. i can move approx 10x more wood on the forwarding trailer per trip so fuel wise its smarter and sawing wise its cleaner. and then its already piled nice to unload with my forktruck, so no logjam sprawled out at my landing like if i skid it in.


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The tractor doesnt deck very well and cant drive over logs. Bobcat is dead so it cant tidy up the landing anymore. Forktruck too big and landing too small with the way skidded logs come in.  But landing is set up nice to unload the forwarding trailer with forktruck. (This isnt the landing)


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 soon i have to start thinning my fathers lot down the road once mine is finished.  That all needs trailered so its just the right direction to go.


Since the tractor is so pathetic, this attachment is more an attempt at a micro yarder tower to get logs bunched along a solid trail edge faster than what i was doing before without letting the tractor leave the trail.  The cable does the dirty work and i dont have any residual damage to the stand or machine to regret later.  


The remote is excellent.  Its on a fluorescent lanyard tied to my belt loop that will let it drop to my ankle.  When not in use i tuck it into my shirt collar.  If i need that hand for a second i sling it over my shoulder.   No more walking back and forth or getting the wired remote tangled, lost, knotted, stepped on.  I can hold the tong in place while pulling until its got a good bite, redirect cable around a stump and pull just a foot or two to roll log past an obstacle or run cable in and out on the fly so it wraps nice on the drum.  I used to walk back and forth from log to tractor constantly and swear at things i was tripping over.   Now i dont come back to the tractor until the log is there with me. Its great.

I got a remote for my other winch too, so i can be in a dead vehicle steering on or off the trailer and not need a helper to run the winch.  Remotes are $20.



Next comes improving the log trailer so it can self load with tongs.



Phase 3 is this ugly attachment becomes the base for a small crane to help me raise timber bents alone.  


It also will get lights up top pointing in all 4 directions to extend winter work hours. At low idle the machine hardly uses any fuel.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 11, 2021, 09:22:23 PM
Next thing this poor boy really needs glued on...


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Don P on April 11, 2021, 09:40:20 PM
Hope there's room for lots of friends on the hood, a poor boy see-saw  ;D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 11, 2021, 10:05:07 PM
Well why else would rednecks build big pipe bumpers on the front of everything?  

;D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: caveman on April 13, 2021, 05:06:57 PM
Well why else would rednecks build big pipe bumpers on the front of everything?  

;D
To carry air for their tires or water for their dogs.  Intimidate the millennial driving the Prius.  To provide a convenient attachment point for the snatch strap after a "hold my beer, watch this" moment.  
The forks should be handy as a shirt pocket.  I've considered making a fork rack that would have the skid steer mount and also attach to the three point hitch.  A hydraulic top link could be your huckleberry with that set up.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Wudman on April 13, 2021, 05:51:05 PM
I have a couple of his cousins.


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Just need about 100 more horses in that tractor.  Works fine on solid level ground......not so much when things get soft.


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This is for the light work.  There is a set of forks (2x3 box tubing) under the carry all.  Hydraulic cylinder for toplink.  I think Dexta can lift in the neighborhood of 1500# on those forks.

Wudman
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 13, 2021, 09:18:51 PM

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Its gonna fill in for the bobcat for a while.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: barbender on April 13, 2021, 10:33:54 PM
Forgive me if I've told this story before, but here goes- my Grandpa had tandem end dump that he would pull the box off of for the winter, and put a rear mount pulp loader on to haul wood for the season. He had one small logger he would haul for, a little native guy. Well he had some wood lined up for Grandpa, but there were some good hills in there. Problem was, that little truck wasn't balanced out very good with the loader on it- it was really light on the steers and only got worse when loaded. Well Grandpa got in and got loaded, but on the way out there was a hill where his steers would come off the ground and he'd slowly go off the road. He tried a few times and it just wasn't happening. So the logger said, "I'll be right back" and ran into the local village and grabbed a bunch of folks- "hey come on Alvy can't get his truck out of the woods!" So he comes bombing back in with a carload of people. They all got on Grandpa's front bumper and by golly Grandpa said it was doing the trick, but those native guys were ribbing a gal that came with them who had a hearty build. She got mad and jumped off the bumper and Grandpa couldn't steer anymore. He got kind of upset with them, and told them "quit teasing her, we need her up there!". So finally she climbed back on and up the hill they went. I wish I had a picture or video of that one. "Alvy Alger coming out of the hole, 1972"😂
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: newoodguy78 on April 14, 2021, 12:03:38 AM
Thatís a great story
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: barbender on April 14, 2021, 01:21:55 AM
Grandpa had quite a few, I think I could write a book of short stories just from the stories he's told me. "Dad and the Highway Patrol have it out on the side of the road" and "Brother Runt gets knocked out by a jack pine" are a couple more chapters😁
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: thecfarm on April 14, 2021, 06:22:16 AM
I am waiting for chapter 2 and 3.  ;D 
That's a great story.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 16, 2021, 10:31:45 AM
Yesterday while making a mount to hang a weight block on front that i built for a garden tractor puller, i realized my lead steering arm was loose on the kingpin top, which was a rounded square shape (4 flats on a circle) and a pinchbolt clamping arm.  I couldnt get it snug so i welded up one flat, shaped it in and pounded the arm back on.  


My tie rod was also bent badly.  Fixing that i discovered a missing steer stop on one side i still have to reproduce but that should stop the wheel from catching trash and flopping in until it smiles the tierod and rips the wheel from your hand.  


I finished the weight block and gave it a try.  What a huge difference in steer quality and fork capacity.  Theres 6" of clearance underneath which is fine for the yard and a great disincentive to try going anywhere stupid with it. 



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Heard the lift valve's relief squeeling for the first time here which means i can now keep the front down and max out the lift.  


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 28, 2021, 12:59:56 AM

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Walnut Beast on April 28, 2021, 01:19:43 AM
Nice 👍 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 28, 2021, 10:15:18 AM
another scrapyard treasure.  $100 cash. someone payed a few grand for it. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on April 28, 2021, 01:38:49 PM
Ford 460/C6 is about the limit


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Tacotodd on April 28, 2021, 01:49:06 PM
Iím wanting to say thatís about the limit for a 3 strong & healthy man (& young) well coordinated crew also. 

Once upon a time I was there. A LONG time ago 🤬
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 02, 2021, 12:23:41 AM

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: HemlockKing on May 02, 2021, 02:22:08 AM
I have that same Suzuki king quad mike, mines a 96. Got mine for 250$ CDN all it needed was the fuel tank swamped as the threaded petcock insert holes were ripped out somehow? Anyway. On those particular models, you need to remove EVERYTHING  to get to removing the tank  :D anyway it came with a spare tank and it works great. Low hour machine
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 02, 2021, 11:09:34 AM
They have their issues but for being a pioneer in the 4x4 quad market they sure got a lot of things right.  Ive had much of this one apart many times.  Lack of coolant or atleast thermostatic fans to manage the heat of using it hard in super low was the biggest mistake imo. 


Today i should finish a sleeve hitch for all my dirt implements and a sprayer bar im building.  Have to teardown the motor for the tiller and get it unstuck. Then decide how to rig that up.


I think this will be pretty handy for keeping trails and fencerows open and doing remote food plots.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Klicker on May 02, 2021, 11:42:44 AM
mike_belben What size pto shaft did you use  B100  what rpm do you use. I have one and like the way you have yours done.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 02, 2021, 11:49:33 AM
On the chipper?  


I have a 540/1000 and tend to run it in high for fast throughput of brush.  Anything big enough to demand low gear id keep for firewood.  

The shredder drum shaft is 25mm and had a proprietary 3 jaw coupling unique to BCS in a double captured bearing tube.  I had to cut the tube and lose the outer bearing to expose enough of the 25mm shaft.  Then i put a 25mm flange bearing over the shaft and rigged up a 1-3/8 six spline adapter that i bored to 25mm ID.  That taps over the metric shaft and uses a 1/4 bolt for shear pin to get a standard usa pto shaft on it.   I will get a pic up later for you.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Klicker on May 02, 2021, 12:35:06 PM
Thanks it gives me something to think about.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 02, 2021, 03:24:54 PM
Frame work in the way prevented the shear pin hole from going in straight but it dont matter. 


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Tacotodd on May 02, 2021, 03:37:31 PM
@mike_belben (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33722) if using a bolt for a shear pin (because itís been a subject to me in the past) what has worked better for you?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 02, 2021, 03:41:48 PM
Ive never had any shearpin trouble to compare really.  Just whatever i stick in the hole seems to work.   


I can tell you ive put all 16hp through the prop shaft on my deere 140 puller and its just a 3/16 shearpin.  Drove it out yesterday.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Tacotodd on May 02, 2021, 03:44:21 PM
10-4! THX!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: HemlockKing on May 02, 2021, 04:26:37 PM
Frame work in the way prevented the shear pin hole from going in straight but it dont matter.


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Iíd use a grade 5 bolt for a shear pin thats a grade 8, grade 8 is pretty strong, or is that what you anticipated?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 02, 2021, 05:28:40 PM
Id prefer the pin shear with ease and protect my investment. Its my first chipper so i didnt know what i was in for but it hasnt sheared a bolt yet and ive chipped as big as i ever will.  


Next phase for this is going on a caster wheel setup so it can pull a trailer too.  Firewood limbs in the trailer, brush through the chipper.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: HemlockKing on May 02, 2021, 06:13:11 PM
Id prefer the pin shear with ease and protect my investment. Its my first chipper so i didnt know what i was in for but it hasnt sheared a bolt yet and ive chipped as big as i ever will.  


Next phase for this is going on a caster wheel setup so it can pull a trailer too.  Firewood limbs in the trailer, brush through the chipper.  
Iím pretty sure a grade 5 will shear much easier than a grade 8  :D Better yet grade 2 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 02, 2021, 06:15:35 PM
I didnt even look at it.  Just stuck bolt in hole.  Im sure i have softer ones in the bin
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: HemlockKing on May 02, 2021, 06:18:48 PM
I didnt even look at it.  Just stuck bolt in hole.  Im sure i have softer ones in the bin
You may have been right actually mike. I searched and some say a grade 8 is actually better because they will just snap(brittle) the softer ones tend to bend, although I did find others saying the other way around, i always went with the Lowe grade ones but now Iím not so sure...
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 02, 2021, 09:47:30 PM
As long as the 25mm stub shaft doesnt break im in good shape.  


On to the batquad. 


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Tacotodd on May 03, 2021, 01:24:09 AM
I didnt even look at it.  Just stuck bolt in hole.  Im sure i have softer ones in the bin
You may have been right actually mike. I searched and some say a grade 8 is actually better because they will just snap(brittle) the softer ones tend to bend, although I did find others saying the other way around, i always went with the Lowe grade ones but now Iím not so sure...


THAT had more meaning than just the one intended, whether you meant it or not! Just the Lowe grade 🤔
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: PoginyHill on May 03, 2021, 08:00:11 AM
I'm not a shear pin expert, but if you put in a Gr 5 or Gr 8 bolt, I don't think it acts much as a shear pin. I know of a person who used a Gr 8 bolt in place of a shear pin and ruined their brush hog gear box. I'd start with Gr 2 and see if it shears much, if at all. Then maybe grind a groove in a Gr 5 as a next step if it shears too often or with only a light surge load.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: HemlockKing on May 03, 2021, 08:59:06 AM
I'm not a shear pin expert, but if you put in a Gr 5 or Gr 8 bolt, I don't think it acts much as a shear pin. I know of a person who used a Gr 8 bolt in place of a shear pin and ruined their brush hog gear box. I'd start with Gr 2 and see if it shears much, if at all. Then maybe grind a groove in a Gr 5 as a next step if it shears too often or with only a light surge load.
Better yet how about a brass shear pin? Could get brass rod/round bar toss a die on it and thread each end and 2 jam nuts each side? Iím pretty sure JD used grade 5 shear pins 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: HemlockKing on May 03, 2021, 09:01:56 AM
I didnt even look at it.  Just stuck bolt in hole.  Im sure i have softer ones in the bin
You may have been right actually mike. I searched and some say a grade 8 is actually better because they will just snap(brittle) the softer ones tend to bend, although I did find others saying the other way around, i always went with the Lowe grade ones but now Iím not so sure...


THAT had more meaning than just the one intended, whether you meant it or not! Just the Lowe grade 🤔
:D :D, I get most of my offshore junk items from Canadian tire
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Ed_K on May 04, 2021, 07:02:51 AM
 Yrs ago I was told by a J.D. mechanic to use a # 8 - 5/16" bolt on a #5 J.D. mower as the #5 would bend and the wooden pitman bar would break. He was right  ;D :(.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Roundhouse on May 08, 2021, 12:27:46 AM
I just wrapped up a "winter" project this week. This one is a rebuild of a small trailer I've had for quite a long time.

First a little background, I picked up this trailer at an auction years ago. IIRC I paid $60 for it and it's a home built farm/yard trailer. When I bought it there was a hitch pin drawbar on it and a simple wooden box. At that time I liked it for pulling behind my four cylinder S10, my four wheeler fit perfectly in the box so I set about giving it a makeover. I built a tailgate to go on it, set it up with taillights, converted it to a 1 7/8" ball coupler, and set up a pvc "wagontop" style covering to keep my machine out of the weather. 

Here is a look at the trailer as I was installing the removable pvc frame. The uprights sat in the pockets on the side of the trailer, with a tarp placed over the top and secured, the whole thing was held in place. 

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Here is the whole rig in use. Most of the time I stored my four wheeler in the trailer at my dad's camp and would move it in the trailer or pull the trailer behind the four wheeler.

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Fast forward 10+ years. In time I built permanent storage on my lot where my four wheeler would live and I ended up with a bunch of different sized trailers suited to various tasks. My little trailer fell into disuse sitting at the edge of my dad's camp lot. After seeing it collect dust for years I knew I had to do something with it. The tires were flat and the box was rotting. Last fall I was poised to make make the trip home with an empty trailer and decided it was time to load it up and bring it back for some overdue attention. 

Once home the disassembly began, the taillights were still in great shape so I took them off in one piece with all the wiring, harvested all the hardware, removed the ball hitch coupler and used on another project, safety chains, then broke apart the remaining rotted wood for the burn pile. 

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With the frame exposed for the first time in years I was able to clean it up a bit and apply a coat of primer before real winter set in and the work on the trailer paused. This was a good time to determine what the trailer would become. With other trailers filling most of my niches I was able to identify a need for use around the woods. A branch and slash hauler. In some places I simply cut up the tops so they rest on the ground for decomposition, in other places I want to clean up the brush, tops, and limbs hauling them to common brush and burn piles. The trailer is the perfect size to pull behind the four wheeler and make quick turn trips between the cuttings and piles. I started drawing up a rack that could be built on the frame, easy to load and no floor to render it "self-cleaning". 

Once the weather warmed up, the frame, springs and axle got a coat of gloss black.

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For the U-shaped rack ribs I used some 1 x 4 hard maple I milled up a few years back, decent stock but not perfect, a little cupped. I figure it is plenty strong enough but a small cross section and reasonable weight. I would need to have four of these my design. Here are the four ribs (upside down) after I bolted them together. 

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Looking through my paint stock revealed a quart of "Safety Orange" so that was an easy choice for the wood framing. 

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I bought three leaf spring U-bolts to fasten the wooden rack to the trailer frame. They were a perfect fit but lacked a plate. So it was off to the scrap pile. Amongst the pile of odd-stock steel brought home from an auction years ago was this long bar, probably part of a long gone implement. I was pleased to find three sets of holes in this bar that lined up perfectly with the U-bolts, only needing to be bored out a little.

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With the bar cut into sections it was time for a quick coat of paint. Once dry I had all the pieces for final assembly.

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Here is the completed rebuild. The only major expense in this project was the new set of tires replacing the old dry rotted ones that were worn when I bought the trailer years ago. The horizontal planks tying the uprights together are hard maple as well, some exta 2/4 siding I milled a couple years ago. By the time I was ready to paint these planks the Safety Orange was all used up so I switched to Allis Chalmers orange (Persian #1), it's a shade or two darker but doesn't always look it in the photos. I figure it will look pretty good behind my AC tractor.

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A look through the open middle of my the trailer. There is one U-bolt at the front and each of the back corners. The frame tapers towards the front, I cut a half inch notch in the bottom of the wood so the rack shouldn't move around at all when the trailer is bouncing down the trails. The rack is 6 feet long but "endless" so lightweight material can hang out the back as needed.

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One last glamour shot before it goes to work and gets scuffed and dirty. It's not an illusion, the frame is a little tweaked as was the rack once I had it together, since they were crooked in the same direction the finished product maintains the same "character". There is one bolt missing on a sideboard here, the hard maple is very unforgiving. Despite pre-drilling everything with generous holes if you overtorque the lag bolt at all the wood doesn't strip out the bolt shears. Once it's in use I'll have to post an update loaded with brush or maybe trimmings off the mill.

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Thanks for reading, I hope this trailer proves as useful as I imagine it to be. Feels good to get it back to work again.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 08, 2021, 08:40:53 AM
 smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: g_man on May 09, 2021, 07:15:45 PM
This is a pretty simple one but made a big difference. Last year I put a picture on picking up firewood with my little trailer and splitter. Haleiwa mentioned that if I turned the splitter around some how, it would be easier on me. I did and he was right!!

I welded a second set of mounting ears and a couple lift lugs onto the beam so I could mount it in either direction.


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When I run with the beam backwards it puts the work station close to the trailer and it is just a short lob into the trailer - much better. Thank you Haleiwa  :)


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gg
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Satamax on May 10, 2021, 12:11:03 AM
Nice G_man.

Next job, for you, if you accept the mission. ;D Would be to make yourself a table around that splitter. Like a Rabaud F31 or Lancman XLE 32.

I have worked on the later, and it's nice not to have to pick up the split pieces from the ground.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: PoginyHill on May 13, 2021, 08:00:06 AM
I was looking to raise the height of the drawbar on my tractor. It is about 12" off the ground, 3-4" lower than tongue height would be on my trailers for level. Looking for an off-set drawbar for my model (M7060) - I could find nothing for a simple off-set bar. Only a bolt-on hammer strap that would raise it 3" And that was very pricey. So I had my local fab shop bend a piece of 1-1/2 X 2-1/2 cold-rolled bar for an offset of 4" and drill two holes. I was a bit concerned that the cold-rolled steel is not as strong as OEM draw bar, as I believe those are an alloy steel, not mild steel. So I added a section that used a second hole and pin. Hopefully that will resist any tendency for tongue weight to bend the bar down.


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Iwawoodwork on May 13, 2021, 09:10:01 PM
Stronger yet would be a gusset of 2" strap on edge welded underneath from end to end leaving enough room for hitch clearance.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: PoginyHill on May 14, 2021, 07:39:52 AM
Stronger yet would be a gusset of 2" strap on edge welded underneath from end to end leaving enough room for hitch clearance.
I have considered this. The weakest point of the original piece is the bend closest to the tractor. With that addressed, the next point would be the bend near the hitch. The question then is, will I have enough tongue weight to bend the 1-1/2"X2-1/2" bar with a lever arm of about 5" (distance from bend to center of hitch hole. I am thinking no, but I'll keep a close eye and will do as you suggest if I see any indication of deformation.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 14, 2021, 07:45:59 AM
Youll be aiight. 

O0
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: HemlockKing on May 14, 2021, 07:46:43 AM
Stronger yet would be a gusset of 2" strap on edge welded underneath from end to end leaving enough room for hitch clearance.
I have considered this. The weakest point of the original piece is the bend closest to the tractor. With that addressed, the next point would be the bend near the hitch. The question then is, will I have enough tongue weight to bend the 1-1/2"X2-1/2" bar with a lever arm of about 5" (distance from bend to center of hitch hole. I am thinking no, but I'll keep a close eye and will do as you suggest if I see any indication of deformation.
Iíd make one big gusset along the whole thing out of 1/4 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 15, 2021, 11:08:03 PM

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Walnut Beast on May 16, 2021, 02:53:29 AM
Looks pretty interesting and handy. Nice job 👍
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 16, 2021, 09:37:01 AM
Its strangely constructed because it started as a tiny firewood dumper for a quad when i had no material and had a job busting wood in a beef pasture, 4yr old son in tow.  

It has sprawled out from there and tripled in payload while still being convertible back to the little dumper wagon. That tailgate extension comes off and donut wheels flipped in make it small enough to get into a wood shed.  Lot of compromises to keep the convertability intact but make it strong enough.   I'll make a tipper box eventually too for dirt and stone.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: g_man on May 16, 2021, 05:48:42 PM
Mike your posts are more entertaining than the old Rube Goldberg cartoons. I love the stuff you put together,

gg
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on May 16, 2021, 09:24:19 PM
I would love to make a nice combo dumping box. so it can dump 3 ways
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: thecfarm on May 16, 2021, 09:26:06 PM
I have seen those combos at a show.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: barbender on May 16, 2021, 09:40:52 PM
Mike you need to whip up a "cable jammer" loader out of an old rear end like used to be used a lot around here. Powered by the pto on your tractor, you could even make it a cable operated dump.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 16, 2021, 10:20:08 PM
Mike your posts are more entertaining than the old Rube Goldberg cartoons. I love the stuff you put together,

gg
Id like to think my contraptions are a little more simplistic despite being pure scrap metal!  Rube goldberg.. Ooof.. Right in the gut!   ;D :D



Youd really like some of the adventures i went on to get half this stuff. The puerto ricans at the scrap yard used to call me casper because i was the white ghost.. Id just pop out of a hole in a 3 story scrap mountain then disappear back into it.  

 The boom on this is one of many telescoping uprights i cut off a 9 car stacker transporter trailer with a labounty excavator sheap.


Trailer needs some tweaking but it works.  Used it on a job today.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 16, 2021, 10:20:58 PM
Mike you need to whip up a "cable jammer" loader out of an old rear end like used to be used a lot around here. Powered by the pto on your tractor, you could even make it a cable operated dump.
I just might! Electric winch stinks for fetching wood. But it did work excellent for redirecting trees off a garage today, and its great for rigging up beams or trusses off a jin pole and stuff like that where control in both directions is important. so its still a good attachment that ive got more planned for.



 I sketched up a 2 spool pto winch rig that will be much better for cable logging but its a whole other project for when my lathe and bridgeports are here if i still want one by then.  That will use a rear diff to drive left and right cable drums fast.  And probably a hydraulic grapple loader trailer.  I built this as a get by for now with what i got. 


Next thing has to be firewood processor.  Im starting to have log piles all over. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: barbender on May 17, 2021, 12:10:24 AM
There's a lot of jammers laying in the weeds up here, truck mounted ones moved a lot of wood to the mills. There were both factory and home made ones. I think they were also popular in the south (a different lineage I think but they ended up with a similar machine, a convergent evolution😊) where the short log pulpers used them. 
  
  I very much look forward to what you come up with for a firewood processor. If I had more time available, I would've liked to have built one myself. Using the stroke of the splitting cylinder to also feed the log forward, use a chainsaw for the cutoff for simplicity. Even a dead deck and a hookeroon would work decent if your logs aren't too big.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 17, 2021, 12:29:17 AM
Ive seen the pto cable side throwers on youtube.. I know they were common southern junk. Not seen a crane style yet.. Link me an example of the type common up there. Im curious now
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: g_man on May 17, 2021, 06:38:55 AM
Mike your posts are more entertaining than the old Rube Goldberg cartoons. I love the stuff you put together,

gg
Id like to think my contraptions are a little more simplistic despite being pure scrap metal!  Rube goldberg.. Ooof.. Right in the gut!   ;D :D


Not meant that way of course - I have nothing  but respect for your ability and ingenuity.

gg
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Ed_K on May 17, 2021, 07:11:24 AM
 I built a small one using a hay elevator an my wood splitter. Mounted the elevator over the splitter, turned the chain around to pull a log down, put a handle onto the sprocket to turn the chain and move the log down to a chain hanging down at 16" had a holder made to bolt to the side of the elevator and onto a 24" bar on a chainsaw. Cut off a chunk it dropped down onto the table of my splitter. Worked good but was hard work to get a cord an hour.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 17, 2021, 07:34:44 AM
You got pics ed?

I know gman im just ribbin ya.  Its not the first time ive been associated with RG.  The skidding attachment is one of my dumber looking contraptions because ive been running out of certain metal and money, and really needed to cable logs so looks took a back seat.  Plus none of it was drawn out on this one.  I just started gluing.  Thats always a recipe for hokey junk.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: caveman on May 17, 2021, 11:17:19 AM
I enjoy seeing all the contraptions y'all come up with.

One of my seniors, who will be graduating in a week or so, is building a bracket to add an air compressor to his jeep.  They already installed a 5 cylinder turbo charged Mercedes diesel.  It looks factory clean including the SS exhaust.

This is the bracket he finished in class this morning. There are tensioner brackets that come up through the slots. The young man has some tremendous design skills.  His welding is coming along but he still has some work in that department.

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Tacotodd on May 17, 2021, 12:20:16 PM
@caveman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=12883) it looks good to me. Itís just amazing to me (always has been) how well a grinder can clean up (even if questionable) a weld. At least it did when for the short period of time that I worked in a 4X4 shop that we often had to fabricate things.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 17, 2021, 12:30:38 PM
om617 mercedes?  good engine.. did he use an AX15 or is an automatic adapter out there now?


tell him keep a spray bottle of water for the compressor.  i turned the one on my cherokee into an air compressor and they get hot.  it will boil water every few seconds at higher pressures.  if not cooled periodically itll seize.  granted i was running it a lot to power a diaphragm pump for collecting waste vegetable oil. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Tacotodd on May 17, 2021, 12:34:52 PM
It must have been for refills of the tank for the engine ďfoodĒ  ;D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: caveman on May 17, 2021, 12:57:35 PM
OM617 A through a Doom's Day adapter to a nv3550 5speed transmission out of a 4.0 Wrangler.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Tacotodd on May 17, 2021, 03:52:06 PM
That combination sounds like a winner to me, but itís gonna real short shaft with a 5sp and dsl. But still, fun nonetheless.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: HemlockKing on May 17, 2021, 07:01:33 PM
@caveman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=12883) it looks good to me. Itís just amazing to me (always has been) how well a grinder can clean up (even if questionable) a weld. At least it did when for the short period of time that I worked in a 4X4 shop that we often had to fabricate things.
Grinder n paint make you the welder you aint
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Tacotodd on May 17, 2021, 07:17:08 PM
Luckily, I never claimed to be a welder. The boss did that. There was only us 2, so... :D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Walnut Beast on May 17, 2021, 07:45:47 PM
@caveman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=12883) it looks good to me. Itís just amazing to me (always has been) how well a grinder can clean up (even if questionable) a weld. At least it did when for the short period of time that I worked in a 4X4 shop that we often had to fabricate things.
Grinder n paint make you the welder you aint
Nothing wrong with that as long as your welding has good penetration 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 18, 2021, 08:41:11 AM
i got the dirt pushed out, leveled up and settled in for a shady unload/process/reload site.  finally got a cheap way to skid or load and forward logs out of the woods, and a way to unload them at the landing.  ($1000 tractor, $4k fork truck + pile of scrap & time.)  


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yesterday the tractor battery was flat dead.  do a little digging and the 1970s kubota generator only makes 10 amps.  so thats not gonna work for constantly using a winch that can draw up to 400amp. now to graft on a cheap alternator.



does anyone recognize this winch?  id like to see the pto drive layout.  



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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Tacotodd on May 18, 2021, 08:48:17 PM
How about a cheap 1 wire GM style alternator. Iím sure that you will be able to use it in itís 12V state. Youíre crafty like that  ;)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 19, 2021, 02:09:19 AM
Electrically a 1 wire alternator is a big compromise for no reason.  I prefer alternators with independant ground, field, load sensing and output lugs.. They work better imo.  External voltage regulator is fine by me as well. Why take alternator apart to change something that never shoulda been in it?   

I'll keep my starter solenoid on the fender too please.  1982 where have you been all my life?   :D  


Oh yeah.. In the rearview mirror.   :-\


I took the delco 12si alternator off the bobcat since its down hard.. Its a 63 amp.  Id prefer a 78 or 93 if im gonna make all the brackets.  Still deciding. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Satamax on May 19, 2021, 06:40:27 AM
You were born in 82 Mike? 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 19, 2021, 08:38:02 AM
Early 80
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Satamax on May 19, 2021, 09:01:32 AM
Well, congrats, you seem wiser and older when you write! I'm sever years older. And still thick as pig rear end droppings. :D 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 19, 2021, 09:07:31 AM
Just means ive made more mistakes than most people! Im sure your bank account looks better!  

;D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Tacotodd on May 19, 2021, 11:42:11 AM
Well, congrats, you seem wiser and older when you write! I'm sever years older. And still thick as pig rear end droppings. :D

I resemble that remark! The pig part, not storytelling. Good writer, poor imagination and memory since Multiple Sclerosis. (just glad that for now I can still play with a chainsaw!)  8)



Just means ive made more mistakes than most people! Im sure your bank account looks better!  

;D

You know, just like I do, that account isnít everything in life (now or later) but as long as you can pay your bills, the rest just adds to unnecessary temptation.

Thatís why I still drive my 22yr old truck, even if I did buy it brand new.
I could afford it back then, but itís a little hard to swallow. My job made it necessary but paying for it sucked!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: caveman on May 19, 2021, 02:50:41 PM
We repurposed a small wagon today. It will serve to haul slabs to the burn pile after coming off the mill. I hope it will make that end of things a little more efficient. 
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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Satamax on May 19, 2021, 04:15:37 PM
Just means ive made more mistakes than most people! Im sure your bank account looks better!  

;D
You Joking Mike? I've got machinery, GAS, and debts! 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Firewoodjoe on May 19, 2021, 06:01:07 PM
Just means ive made more mistakes than most people! Im sure your bank account looks better!  

;D
😂 thatís what I tell people. Iíve just broke a lot of stuff!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: aigheadish on May 20, 2021, 02:53:26 PM
This is a great thread that I've just caught up with. I appreciate and am inspired by all the crazy stuff you guys are making. While I'm quite new to the fabricating stuff out of junk world it's really neat to see what all can be done. I wish I had half the knowledge of some of you.

Thanks, everyone, for sharing!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 20, 2021, 04:04:10 PM
 smiley_thumbsup

Mig wire and desparation. 




No more looking for my water bottle or wrestling 500lbs of attachment onto a single shear lift pin for me. 


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 20, 2021, 11:15:22 PM
Made some redneck ring terminals


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Rigged up a 950 CCA counterweight

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Then found a good use for these turnbuckles, replacing a chain that previously kept the mast on the quad.


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Hooked up a mold board and recut the drainage on the new driveway


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: ljohnsaw on May 20, 2021, 11:24:53 PM
Made some redneck ring terminals
Mike, too much work! ;)  I just squish the end of the pipe so I have two layers of copper.  Then drill it.  I slide it on the wire, crimp it a little then solder it on.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 21, 2021, 06:48:12 AM
I do the same thing too but theres not enough width for a 3/8 hole in that sized tubing for a small wire so it had to be opened up. 


Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on May 21, 2021, 09:36:09 AM
I recently started thinking about a rotary ditch cutter. 

I now have my old cub cadet model 108 back home and I think I am going to copy mikes idea and make it an all around utility machine.

I live in the woods so whenever I want to break through the ground I need something that can cut roots. I was thinking a 15" steel wheel with cutters welded on it. I am not sure if I can get the rpm's out of the pto though.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: HemlockKing on May 21, 2021, 09:44:28 AM
Sure get some use out of that little Suzuki, I gotta utilize mine more, sitting stored away in a garage.  
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This junker that’s frankensteined works good for roaming the property. Need to get the hitch attachment, will half to retread the holes or just weld it solid. I find it works good for running down slash and compacting it, if it gets stuck, it’s only 350lbs, easy to unstuck. But yeah been using that to make my property look “neat” after thinning a area and dicing the slash I drives this all around the area like I’m mowing grass lol front wheel packs down the center too so it works better than a atv in that sense.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: PoginyHill on May 21, 2021, 09:52:24 AM
I recently started thinking about a rotary ditch cutter.

I now have my old cub cadet model 108 back home and I think I am going to copy mikes idea and make it an all around utility machine.

I live in the woods so whenever I want to break through the ground I need something that can cut roots. I was thinking a 15" steel wheel with cutters welded on it. I am not sure if I can get the rpm's out of the pto though.
I would think a slower speed and higher torque would best fit that use. Otherwise I think it would stall very easily against a rock or large root.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 21, 2021, 10:28:38 AM
A narrowed rear so that the cutter is offset behind one tire is my advice.  Down the center is a mistake.

Make it like a trencher chain with left center right for teeth on the rim. You need to eject dirt to get the root exposed so the cutters can work on it. 


The teeth should have sharp points and a good rake angle so that they want to dive deep into the dirt and stall out the engine.
 You want it to be plunge hungry...  Not bounce off the surface leaving chicken scratches and requiring tons of weight to dig in.  Look at a bottom plow or middle buster.  Its light.  The rake angle of the tooth is what pulls it in, not a stack of suitcase weights.   a chainsaw tooths approximate profile should work. 


  an adjustable gauge wheel on back limits the plunge so that you can dial in the optimal balance for the power you have vs the dirt youre fighting.  Guage wheel it to eat the most it can without having to back out to prevent a stall, thats peak efficiency.  Now make passes to get to your depth.
 


A dab of hardface on the tips to keep them pointy. Build it back up as needed. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 21, 2021, 10:31:44 AM
Different rims with different cut patterns too.  High speed low torque will want less cutters.  Low speed high torque will want more.  You could make a narrow trencher from a donut rim or a wide one from a standard.  For a big trench start with the skinny then the wide, back to the skinny then the wide.    Youll have to hoe the spoils out by hand of course unless you figure out an auger too.


Maybe a middle buster tailing behind the cutter wheel with a roost catcher can vee out most of the spoils. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Iwawoodwork on May 21, 2021, 10:57:41 AM
Mike, good idea on using a vehicle rim/hub assembly for a cutter assembly, for cheap cutter points  maybe pieces of car/truck leaf spring (suppose chunks of coil spring could work) welded at alternating diagonals spaced around the rim and sharpened.  I am using pieces of leaf spring from a Ford F350 front to build up the non-existent teeth on my PC60 and LS1600 excavators and seems to be working great. Have not broken and wearing great for farm use.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 21, 2021, 11:42:40 AM
Coil springs dont weld good, ive pretty much always had them break off. Never really used leaf spring steel in a weld application so maybe thats better.  It must be if youve got them on a bucket.


1/2" thick mild steel with hardface tip has worked great for me in my flail mower/ smasher thingy.  My logging winch has mild teeth on the bottom without hardface and i use it as my root rake.  In time they will round and need some weld/grind but they arent showing any signs yet. A homesteader doesnt put 3000 hours on an attachment like a contractor does.  You do a job and park the thing in the corner for years at a time.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on May 21, 2021, 11:00:50 PM
Sounds to me like your thinking a rotary sawblade for cutting a trench in a straight line. I am thinking the same deal but instead of going front to back of the tractor having the blade perpendicular to it so it creates a flail ditch. This is mostly going to be used for drainage ditches and if I can have a nice smooth transition that would be much nicer than a square trench

like this
https://www.trexditchers.com/
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 22, 2021, 12:23:41 AM
Yes i was.   A miniature of that is pretty easy to build too if youve got a lathe.  A non floater axle shaft on bearings with the cutter rim bolted to it, and a pto spline adapter roll pinned to the diff end of the shaft should work fine. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 22, 2021, 10:30:31 AM
Scratch that above, i forgot you have a cub cadet and not a regular pto tractor.  


It has an electric clutched mower deck pulley up front right?  Youll have up to 3600 rpm to work with, dont put too many teeth at first.  Id start with 3 so all energy is in one engaged tooth at a time for maximum root ripping.  


If you want it outfront, i would try a scrapyard bigtruck steering box shaft for pto with rubber belts to sheaves at the tractor end.  Maybe a shear pin on an old modifield unit bearing to hold and drive the rim?  Make some kinda mount to raise and lower the contraption off the mower link like a snowplow?


Or if possible come off the side with just a belt and no shaft or joints.  

A little old ariens et al snowblower would be an easier option to build this out of i think.  Toss the blower housing [or make it face the sky and build it into an electric mixer] and run the blower pulley down to your cutter rim.  Put a gauge wheel up front and off ya go.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 22, 2021, 10:48:46 AM
I got the york rake i started for my deere 140 way back when, grafted to the quad pretty quick while still fitting the deere.  It is reversible and works great as a high speed trash rake the regular way.

I spun it around to turn one of the compost piles yesterday.

Id built, or atleast started, a rock wall to retain fill dirt.  So i blow all the leaves in the yard into this little valley pocket.  The kids jump off the wall into the leaves for a day or two...


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And then a little runoff creek flows through the pile all winter.  i start dumping grass into it by spring and then it needs turning to stay aerobic.  We picked atleast 100 nightcrawlers out.



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Little by little im gonna roll it down and around the corner and by the time its finished it will land in the flat patch ive designated for my someday big garden. 


Its sort of a recieving bay for the occasional dumptruck loads of chipped trees that come to me.   
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on May 22, 2021, 10:52:46 AM
Scratch that above, i forgot you have a cub cadet and not a regular pto tractor.  


It has an electric clutched mower deck pulley up front right?  Youll have up to 3600 rpm to work with, dont put too many teeth at first.  Id start with 3 so all energy is in one engaged tooth at a time for maximum root ripping.  


If you want it outfront, i would try a scrapyard bigtruck steering box shaft for pto with rubber belts to sheaves at the tractor end.  Maybe a shear pin on an old modifield unit bearing to hold and drive the rim?  Make some kinda mount to raise and lower the contraption off the mower link like a snowplow?


Or if possible come off the side with just a belt and no shaft or joints.  

A little old ariens et al snowblower would be an easier option to build this out of i think.  Toss the blower housing [or make it face the sky and build it into an electric mixer] and run the blower pulley down to your cutter rim.  Put a gauge wheel up front and off ya go.
yup, your dead on everything.

I do have a Kubota L2800 though, so I could always use that but the cub is much more nimble especially on soft ground.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 22, 2021, 10:58:50 AM
No way dude i got everlasting life.  ;D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 22, 2021, 02:00:22 PM
Transmitter on the winch remote failed last night so i went into the junkpile that wise folks have always told me to discard, and poof. Momentary rocker switch. CertifiedHoarder wins again.


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Much better height control now on ground engaging implements.  Cheap remotes have about a 3 second minimum cycle time whereas toggles can blip.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on May 22, 2021, 02:51:46 PM
I have a Jeep comanche bed full of garbage that has been loaded and unloaded more times than I can count. I still have not been able to bring myself to scrap it for just that reason.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: aigheadish on May 24, 2021, 02:51:04 PM
My wife really struggles with my minimal hoarding but she obviously doesn't understand that one day...! She just crabbed about finish mower and flail mower decks back there. I told her that's the kind of stuff that you have laying around if you have a few acres. Still doesn't get it. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 24, 2021, 03:29:30 PM
i find that admitting to the accusations of your accusers really takes the wind out of their sails.  so i just call myself a hoarder but im not like what youd see on TV.  i dont mean it like the people who are mentally ill and save trash and have rotten food all over or 30 dogs pooping all over the living room.  thats all disgusting.  i just never met a piece of free metal i didnt want to put on a pallet or a shelf or in a file cabinet out back somewhere for the day i need it. little by little the piles shrink and the row of great attachments grows.  in the house im as much a neat freak as i can make time for. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: ljohnsaw on May 24, 2021, 06:57:46 PM
i just never met a piece of free metal i didn't want
+1
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on May 24, 2021, 09:04:26 PM
Definitely agree with metal :)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 24, 2021, 10:07:05 PM


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Think i have mocked up a tri fold boom sprayer.  An inch narrower than the quad, with almost a 10ft swath. Should be handy for killing crummy lawn to reseed, or terminating a food plot cover crop.   I will put shutoff valves for the wings so i can also just run the middle to kill trails.  Hand wand teed in for spot or fencerow spraying. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Otis1 on May 24, 2021, 10:07:45 PM
It's like organized, but only you know how. That's how my work desk and garage are. Most people wouldn't know where to look for a tool but I can find it in 30 sec.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 24, 2021, 11:06:02 PM
Most of the time i can find the bulk of it but my memory is fading.  My 7yr old has ADHD and impeccable memory comes with that so i send him hunting for the missing link now and he finds it 9/10 times.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Kim_Ked on May 26, 2021, 06:47:17 AM
Mike. 
My 8 Year old boy has has an ADHD diagnosis. He has some odd habits and methods, but I swear, he has a photographic memory and math / logic problems seems to just come natural to him. It really is interesting how their brains work just a bit differently.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Tacotodd on May 26, 2021, 07:20:13 AM
I seem to have had it when I was younger, but it was never bad enough to need a diagnosis. I seem to have grown out of it. Now my wife and her grandkids (previous marriage), they STILL have trouble staying focused on their task at hand. They are easily distracted. Of course, I can ask her what color the sky is and sheíll tell me all about the grass, but never answer my question!

I just feel like a direct question deserves a direct answer, but it seems like Iíll never get one. What gives with that? I also remember that women seem to be wired different than men. My buddies understand me, but women donít seem to have buddies like guys do (at least not that I can tell)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 26, 2021, 07:47:00 AM
This has been the most helpful vid i have seen on understanding how to manage it.  Its not an attention issue.  

This is how you treat ADHD based off science, Dr Russell Barkley part of 2012 Burnett Lecture - YouTube (https://youtu.be/_tpB-B8BXk0)


And also i had to discover they cant focus on just one thing.  He can only focus on what i might be teaching him if he is playing with several other distractions.  Give the kid legos and lecture him some science and he will absorb it all without looking at you.  Take away the legos and he wont hear a word.  Its hard to get over the feeling that youre being ignored. 


Meds help immensely but the side effects are a struggle.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Tacotodd on May 26, 2021, 08:12:19 AM
Mike, do YOU think that heíll ever get better. Not the docs but YOU. Very few do, most (from what I understand) donít.

I just hope that it all works out well for you and your family. HE will see your family through all of the things that HE will provide you. HE being the greatest of all time and provider for all of the world!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 26, 2021, 08:37:07 AM
Oh yeah, itll be fine.  My autistic kid was in a beauty pageant and has straight A's so we arent a hopeless bunch in this house. 

Life is a case of 'do the best ya can' until its over.  Thats all i endeavor to do. I will find a way to be content with any outcome. 

Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Tacotodd on May 26, 2021, 09:08:42 AM
Similar to my signature ! ! ! ! !
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 26, 2021, 10:28:22 AM
well, back on topic i guess. 

yesterday took the wind out of my sails on the sprayer boom when something in the secondary clutch basket on the quad fragged.  it has been slipping for a long time in high range and out of ignorance of there existing an adjustment to maintain, i failed to maintain it.  never seen an adjustable auto clutch.  so im hopeful its a broken friction and not a steel or the basket itself.  making room to park that and tear into it.  

the more machines i have the more of them sit broken awaiting funds. one downside to my abnormal lifestyle. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Walnut Beast on May 26, 2021, 10:30:32 AM
Same cart for the old Hypatherm Plasma cutter,  grinders and so on. The old one had big handles that you could wrap the cords on but the new one is really small and can cut thicker material. As you can see by the shaker bottle itís little.
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 So I made some cord hangers and she is good to go
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 26, 2021, 10:36:40 AM
wow.  pretty soon plasma cutters will look like Ipads if they keep going!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: HemlockKing on May 26, 2021, 11:18:01 AM
well, back on topic i guess.

yesterday took the wind out of my sails on the sprayer boom when something in the secondary clutch basket on the quad fragged.  it has been slipping for a long time in high range and out of ignorance of there existing an adjustment to maintain, i failed to maintain it.  never seen an adjustable auto clutch.  so im hopeful its a broken friction and not a steel or the basket itself.  making room to park that and tear into it.  

the more machines i have the more of them sit broken awaiting funds. one downside to my abnormal lifestyle.
As long as they are protected from the elements, they are just projects frozen in time  ;D
I gots too much ďjunkĒ, people keep calling my stuff junk. Ya know what, itís not JUNK, itís what I enjoy, so bugger off!  :)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on May 26, 2021, 11:41:01 AM
i call it junk to beat my critics to the punchline.  ;)

love/hate, junk/treasure.. that sorta thing.   no one ever complains when i fix the crisis without them handing over a credit card or getting sent 30 mins to town.   the rest of the time its junk. oh hey mike you wouldnt happen to have a ....  



pff.  i have three of them.  amateur. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Tacotodd on May 26, 2021, 11:55:32 AM
I resemble that remark (just not to that extreme)  ;)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Walnut Beast on May 26, 2021, 12:17:03 PM
wow.  pretty soon plasma cutters will look like Ipads if they keep going!
😂. Itís good up to 7/8 cutting and 1 1/8 severance 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 01, 2021, 10:14:29 AM



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Had to make a light trailer mover attachment with the ball up near the tractor for moving bigger stuff.  That tag trailer is 4k when the forward axles are in.  Theres no motor in the ford but i was surprised the little bota was able to lift and pull it all.  The top receiver is for gooseneck and 5th wheel stuff.  I will probably make a gooseneck log arch eventually. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Walnut Beast on June 03, 2021, 03:04:16 PM
1/2 plate steel and 3/16 aluminum tread plate cut like butter with the little Hypertherm 
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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mjeselskis on June 03, 2021, 08:22:23 PM
1/2 plate steel and 3/16 aluminum tread plate cut like butter with the little Hypertherm  
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That looks pretty sweet. What model is that?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on June 03, 2021, 09:14:12 PM
I have a 375x that is going to get replaced by a hypertherm one day. but that day will wait till I get my 5x12 cnc table built.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Walnut Beast on June 04, 2021, 01:59:51 AM
1/2 plate steel and 3/16 aluminum tread plate cut like butter with the little Hypertherm  
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That looks pretty sweet. What model is that?
45xp
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: caveman on June 04, 2021, 01:12:01 PM
On post #641 I shared a picture of a bracket one of my students who recently graduated was working on.  He was in my shop yesterday cutting out some stuff on the plasma table and showed me a picture of the bracket mounted in the Jeep.
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For those of you with Hypertherm plasma cutters, where do you get your consumables?  Do any of you use non-Hypertherm consumables with good results?  

I bought some 4x8, 16 gauge steel yesterday.  In December it was $56 a sheet, February it was $84 and yesterday it was $136.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: 21incher on June 04, 2021, 02:01:43 PM
I have an old 45 on my cnc table and only purchase Hypertherm consumables. They cut thousands of inches if the start off is properly set. I have purchased them from Bakers Gas and Welding Supplies IOC at discounts. Supposed to be another increase in steel prices coming because of demand for new shipping containers. The old ones are not making it back to China now due to trucker and dock worker shortages.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 04, 2021, 03:05:07 PM
Boy its always somethin.  Good thing that inflation is staying around 2% i guess. 

::)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 04, 2021, 11:22:30 PM
So ive got 2 of the last 4 issues worked out of my log jammer.  It only took loading a few logs to know that you really need a swing boom that has swing limits, and that you need a full swivel pulley with a cable guide.  


So i tossed on some limit chains, one per side.


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And built the swivel.  Mine looks funky because i have to be able to feed the cable eye through every time i use the trailer. Winch stays on the tractor. 



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Boy signed off on it so it must be good enough. 



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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: barbender on June 04, 2021, 11:49:26 PM
Mike I've tried finding some of those old PTO jammers, pretty much all of the pictures I found were on the forum🤷🏽‍♂️
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 05, 2021, 08:15:44 AM
Ive seen a few now in old logging films.  Steam powered rail car loaders had them.  They seemed to all be way too fast and always with a man standing right there diving over a flying log to line them up on the pile and untong. 


Biggest thing i need to do now is an alternator bracket.  Ive gone to big dual batteries and can barely start the stupid machine again.  You need a large alternator for constant electric winch use.  Itll hurt batteries and every copper contactor in the system otherwise.  The generator on it is like a trickle charger. 10amp max  ::)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: barbender on June 05, 2021, 12:19:12 PM
Well I'm in the middle if a hard lesson on big battery and big alternator- I managed to leave the key turned on on my Woodmizer and milled the battery almost stone dead. No problem, had the skidloader right there so gave it a quick jump. The alternator (180 amp) belt was squealing under the load of charging, so I thought I would up the rpms. Then the belt exploded. Couldn't even find a chunk big enough to get the numbers for a replacement😂 To add injury to insult, I burned my wrist on the smoking hot alternator pulley😬 Now I'm trying to find the motivation to go out and try it all again with a new belt😁 

There are lots of flavors of "jammers", the ones that were truck and tractor mounted were a bit different of an animal than the old railcar and logging camp versions. Same in principle but a little more user friendly. Mind you, I've never actually operated one and haven't even been close to one in operation. I'm told some if the factory units, you could slip the load clutch on them effectively enough that you could hold the the load in place. I don't know if that was true of the shop built ones out of differentials. They may have just been winch or drop with nothing in between. I may have said this before, but I heard stories of guys just getting the truck set up in the middle of standing timber and then using the hammer to pull the wood in as they fell it. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Gary_C on June 06, 2021, 11:47:17 AM
I have learned some hard lessons with high amp loads on a trailer behind a pickup. My load was with a hydraulic dump trailer that even had a battery right at the hydraulic pump. Lessons learned were these.

Alternators are not battery chargers. If you fully discharge a battery an alternator will recharge it given enough running time but will burn itself up. 

Also do not run your alternator while using your winch or other high amp load. Alternator will overheat, factory wiring and fuses will overheat and may never be right again. I learned to turn the truck engine off so the alternator was off during high amp use.

If you use the trailer power feed thru the trailer plug, expect fuses to blow regularly. If you put in higher amp fuses expect the fuse contacts to overheat and never be right again. 

Best way is to have an auxiliary battery right next to the load and run a separate heavy power feed from the pickup batteries with an auto reset circuit breaker in the line. Even with that setup, never run the alternator while using auxiliary power.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Gary_C on June 06, 2021, 11:53:21 AM

That looks pretty sweet. What model is that?
45xp
What do the consumables cost for that machine?
I assume you always have an air compressor nearby but did you consider one with a built in air compressor?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 06, 2021, 03:14:32 PM
if you fully discharge a battery its gonna sulfate heavily and lose storage capacity, never getting to the same resting voltage again.  and the regulator is gonna see that super low voltage level, demanding full output from the alternator to refill it immediately, which will also boil off some of the acid level and further reduce its storage capacity.  


i dont doubt at all that you experienced these issues but i cant figure out how you manage NOT to overdraw your battery by shutting the vehicle down?  cutting off the alternator almost guarantees the battery gets overdrawn and then the alternator gets a high current load demand to refill it from the regulator.  


ive run around 9k rpms and full field to a weldernator i made.. 90amps at about 140volts output.  it was dead and in the junkpile.   i soldered off the winding lugs for wires direct to an external voltage regulator and a toggle so i could switch between weld and charge mode, also with a rheostat to vary the field.  it gets hot but never stopped working.  regulator are very easy to kill with one little spark and being a homemade machine id forget how i set it up and pop.. another regulator. oops.

    ive used the weld side and varied the rheostat and RPM to dial it in for 24v charging too. the struggle is that you really need 2 alternators to weld with.  one supplying field voltage and one supplying weld voltage.  batteries get run down to nothing by the time you finish a stick.  i used a snowblower chassis with step up ratios for belt power.


deep cycle batteries can handle repeated deep discharges that will kill an automotive starting battery very fast.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Gary_C on June 06, 2021, 06:00:38 PM
i dont doubt at all that you experienced these issues but i cant figure out how you manage NOT to overdraw your battery by shutting the vehicle down?  cutting off the alternator almost guarantees the battery gets overdrawn and then the alternator gets a high current load demand to refill it from the regulator.  
I did not say I overdraw the battery and on a 2002 F-350 with a power feed thru the 7 way trailer plug that is relay controlled, when the engine is off the electrical system of the pickup is disconnected from the auxiliary circuit in the trailer plug. 
Alternators are made to be battery maintainers but not battery chargers. They are not made for continuous running at full rated amps because they will overheat and cook themselves. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: barbender on June 06, 2021, 07:27:36 PM
Gary, I hear that all the time, but I don't know if I believe it. The hydraulics on my Woodmizer LT40 Super draw a tremendous amount of power. That alternator works hard the whole time I am using the hydraulics, it's hard to keep the 6 rib v-belt from slipping on the 180 amp alternator. In fact I just had a belt explode yesterday because it was slipping a bit and it got hot and let go. I've replaced the alternator once in the 10+ years I've owned it. I'm pretty sure it was the original alternator as it was 150 amp instead of the 180 amp they are supplied with now (which I upgraded to). Also, I don't know how many vehicles I've jump started ver the years in the frozen north we share, I've never had an alternator give up the ghost when it subsequently charged the dead battery. Actually, I've only had 2 or 3 alternator failures I can think of in 25+ years of driving. I never even started to hear the "alternators can't charge a dead battery" line until about 15 years ago when the cheapo reman alternators the parts stores were selling were failing immediately when installed. I think they were just trying to cover their butts when the remains were of poor quality, or not gone through all the way.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 06, 2021, 10:22:59 PM
internal regulators.. which should have never been put inside in the first place in my opinion, will fail from heat.   the rest is pretty robust. 

ive been winching pretty extensively since 2006. been in 3 or 4 offroad clubs, have pulled tons of cable spotting tons of rigs on comp courses.  never shut engine off, never seen anyone else shut engine off and never killed an alternator.  i dont know whats going on in your situation gary but its peculiar. i think if this was normal, id certainly have known about it 15 years ago. if someone shut a rig off to winch i know a dozen guys would be yelling to turn it back on. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Gary_C on June 07, 2021, 01:06:55 AM
You guys that hardly ever have an alternator fail must not be working hard enough.  :D :D

Seriously back when those old Delco alternators were first popular they were rated at 35 and 40 amps and batteries were maybe rated at 400-500 amp hours. Now we have diesel pickups with two 1000 amp hour rated batteries and a 140-180 amp rated alternator that is loaded with voltage stabilization circuits to protect the many microprocessors in every vehicle. If you look at the math it's easy to see why they say to not use an alternator as a battery charger.

Say you have a diesel pickup with two 900 amp hour batteries and a 150 amp alternator. If you discharge the two batteries to say 50% you need 900 amps or six hours of steady running at full output to bring those batteries back to full charge. But batteries do not take 150 amps for the whole time plus there are other electrical demands on the vehicle so the full charge time may be more like 12-15 hours. You can be sure that alternator is going to be smoking hot during that time as it will be too dumb to limit it's output to the rated amps at all times. Now maybe in the winter in MN when most dead batteries occur, you can get by without serious damage to an alternator when battery charging. However it is not good for the batteries either to charge at a full rate for long times. 

As far as for auxiliary electrical loads like a winch or hydraulic power pack, it's hard to compare because of many differences in load and wiring. On my hydraulic dump trailer where I am lifting 26,000 lbs of grain plus trailer there is a huge load on the deep cycle battery that is located right next to the pump motor and I can sometimes dump a load every two hours. On the many dump days I usually have to put a battery charger on the deep cycle while loading or the battery cannot keep up. The only way to draw from the pickup batteries during dumping would have been to run heavy duty welding cables from the pickup batteries to the hydraulic pump as the internal wiring on the pickup would not take the amp draw.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: PoginyHill on June 10, 2021, 09:26:12 AM
I was looking to raise the height of the drawbar on my tractor. It is about 12" off the ground, 3-4" lower than tongue height would be on my trailers for level. Looking for an off-set drawbar for my model (M7060) - I could find nothing for a simple off-set bar. Only a bolt-on hammer strap that would raise it 3" And that was very pricey. So I had my local fab shop bend a piece of 1-1/2 X 2-1/2 cold-rolled bar for an offset of 4" and drill two holes. I was a bit concerned that the cold-rolled steel is not as strong as OEM draw bar, as I believe those are an alloy steel, not mild steel. So I added a section that used a second hole and pin. Hopefully that will resist any tendency for tongue weight to bend the bar down.


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First test of the new offset draw bar. So far so good. Gross weight of full trailer is about 14,000lbs. Unsure of tongue weight. Maybe 1,000-1,500 lbs?


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Gary_C on June 12, 2021, 09:42:02 AM

That looks pretty sweet. What model is that?
45xp
What do the consumables cost for that machine?
I assume you always have an air compressor nearby but did you consider one with a built in air compressor?

I always hear about the high cost of consumables. Any answers for these questions?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Walnut Beast on June 12, 2021, 11:19:19 AM

That looks pretty sweet. What model is that?
45xp
What do the consumables cost for that machine?
I assume you always have an air compressor nearby but did you consider one with a built in air compressor?
Yes you need a pretty good air compressor and clean regulated air to run the unit. The self contained air compressor like the one Hypatherm has is a great unit for portability but itís not as good as performance to comparable machine that uses the air compressor. The consumables last quite a long time. When cut quality goes down then you know. To change all the consumables in the torch is about 40 bucks. Better prices on bigger consumable packs and kits. The torch consumables consists of a swirl ring, nozzle, electrode, and drag tip. The electrode is the main one that goes first and they are 13 bucks. The Hypatherm I have pictured has a internal air filter in the machine but itís really recommended to have additional. The filter I have is the one Hypatherm has and is a really good one itís got a visual green dot on top to see filter is good and a auto drain on it. They are about 210 bucks. Your air flow needs to be around min. 85 psi constant when cutting. If you donít have adequate air supply the machine will shut down. Iíll post some pictures of the consumables later.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 12, 2021, 11:56:30 AM
I havent bought any in a long time but hypertherm had the most economical consumables and they lasted a long time.  Miller was terrible service life and very very high causing my dads machine to almost never get used anymore. 


  I had to cut up ~1200 m4 rifles around 2013 (?) With a hypertherm powermax 1000 thanks to an ATF decision.  I was able to double or maybe triple consumable life by reworking fouled tips.  That was literally all i did for about 11hours a day all month, sever painted aluminum into a water tank catching the slag,  that got so hot it steamed up my lense.  I was soaking my gloves in water to keep them from catching fire.

Filled a coffee can worth of consumables by the end.  Cost the company quite a lot. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: barbender on June 12, 2021, 02:07:28 PM
What a shame!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 12, 2021, 02:30:19 PM
Worse than cutting the dime a dozen M4s... Some bean counter decided it was a good time for some house cleaning and i had to cut up the original M3 "grease guns."  WW2 full auto sub machine guns.. hand machined, hand welded prototypes made of sheetmetal, tube, barstock etc.  Plus silencers.  


I ran around for an hour trying to find someone who would step in and save these relics.  They shoulda been in the glass museum cases up front.  Where was roy jinks when i needed him.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: g_man on June 13, 2021, 07:57:23 AM
I was looking to raise the height of the drawbar on my tractor. It is about 12" off the ground, 3-4" lower than tongue height would be on my trailers for level. Looking for an off-set drawbar for my model (M7060) - I could find nothing for a simple off-set bar. Only a bolt-on hammer strap that would raise it 3" And that was very pricey. So I had my local fab shop bend a piece of 1-1/2 X 2-1/2 cold-rolled bar for an offset of 4" and drill two holes. I was a bit concerned that the cold-rolled steel is not as strong as OEM draw bar, as I believe those are an alloy steel, not mild steel. So I added a section that used a second hole and pin. Hopefully that will resist any tendency for tongue weight to bend the bar down.


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First test of the new offset draw bar. So far so good. Gross weight of full trailer is about 14,000lbs. Unsure of tongue weight. Maybe 1,000-1,500 lbs?


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Looks good but something you might what to watch. I had a hitch like that but a much lighter trailer. I run it on rough terrain with lots of sharp dips and humps. I didn't have enough vertical slop and bent the pin - had to cut it out. You have a nice long slot on the lower trailer  clevis but you might need some slop on your draw bar too. This is what I ended up with.

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Tacotodd on June 13, 2021, 06:46:07 PM
Does everybody realize that a pintle hitch does the same things?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: btulloh on June 13, 2021, 07:09:17 PM
A swinging drawbar on a tractor isnít set up to add a pintle, although anything can be fabbed. Most times they are going to have a clevis attached. I pefer to use a 3pt attachment with a receiver and hitch ball on that for trailers. The swinging drawbar is s close to the axle itís harder to get the trailer to swing when backing.  The tongue can even foul the tires going forward and making a sharp turn. 

The hitch pictured is very much like the old equipment worked right after it changed from horse drawn to tractor pulled. 

Besides, if it gets the job done, itís all that counts. Done is done. Always a next job waiting to be done!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: PoginyHill on June 14, 2021, 08:04:48 AM
I was looking to raise the height of the drawbar on my tractor. It is about 12" off the ground, 3-4" lower than tongue height would be on my trailers for level. Looking for an off-set drawbar for my model (M7060) - I could find nothing for a simple off-set bar. Only a bolt-on hammer strap that would raise it 3" And that was very pricey. So I had my local fab shop bend a piece of 1-1/2 X 2-1/2 cold-rolled bar for an offset of 4" and drill two holes. I was a bit concerned that the cold-rolled steel is not as strong as OEM draw bar, as I believe those are an alloy steel, not mild steel. So I added a section that used a second hole and pin. Hopefully that will resist any tendency for tongue weight to bend the bar down.


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First test of the new offset draw bar. So far so good. Gross weight of full trailer is about 14,000lbs. Unsure of tongue weight. Maybe 1,000-1,500 lbs?


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Looks good but something you might what to watch. I had a hitch like that but a much lighter trailer. I run it on rough terrain with lots of sharp dips and humps. I didn't have enough vertical slop and bent the pin - had to cut it out. You have a nice long slot on the lower trailer  clevis but you might need some slop on your draw bar too. This is what I ended up with.

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I recall seeing your innovation and like it. I have also hinged the hitch quite a bit on steep terrain and gullys. Between the lower slot on the trailer hitch and a fair amount of slop in the draw bar hole (If I recall 1.25" hole and 7/8" pin), I've not have any problems. I have also considered putting a large shackle through the drawbar and turning the trailer hitch 90 deg the act similar to a pintle hitch as @Tacotodd (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=50744) mentions. Has anyone done this?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 14, 2021, 10:19:10 AM
i towed a small trailer home with a 3/4 forestry rope once.  does that count?  

;D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 15, 2021, 09:40:14 AM


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Im not sure if it counts as fab work when the thing quite accidentally bolted right on.  Forgot i even had this blade. 


With the tractor tied up to run the backhoe and the bobcat dead for a while i was without any easy means to tidy up the loose dirt or feed spoils to the stationary hoe for loading up to wheelbarrow away.  All my joints are wearing out pretty rapidly from this osteoarthritic skeleton thats propping me up... so my days of toughing it out with a pick and shovel need to start being minimized. 

Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: HemlockKing on June 15, 2021, 12:14:23 PM
Getting old mike lol 

Some days you gotta tough it out though, to prove yourself youíre still in this ;D . Anyone who has done work by hand(especially dirt work) can really appreciate when the machinery comes in play. They donít pay enough in trades, it literally destroys your body. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on June 15, 2021, 02:23:56 PM
Mike, when the sad day comes that quad dies, your going to have to put about 20 grand under the seat before you bury it. You owe at least that to it :)

Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 15, 2021, 04:40:28 PM
As christian as i may be, my machinery believes in reincarnation!

;D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on June 15, 2021, 09:24:56 PM
Hopefully it gets reincarnated into an easier life? :)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Ventryjr on June 18, 2021, 09:56:37 PM
 
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Picked up at harbor freight apex 12k winch going to give it a try this weekend to help skid some logs around in the woods.  I have 2 truck batteryís and a solar charger.  Iím going to use it as a back up to my ctl.  For logs over a bank. Seems a tad flimsily for 12k lbs. we will see. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 18, 2021, 10:56:39 PM
Realize that the unit can winch in 12k but it can only drag 6k by the load holding brake.  So dont go dragging the logs with the machine while the winch motor is not powered up. Ive killed a brake that way and its a substantial teardown to replace

What are you mounting that on?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 19, 2021, 01:53:46 AM

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I had hoped it would work as a vibratory sheepsfoot for compacting clay but im not impressed so far.  

Had doubts from the start and hedged my bets by clocking the pucks 90* different so that theyd work as a rotary pulverizer also.  Need something that can prepare a seedbed, strip sod and so forth.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: barbender on June 19, 2021, 02:55:07 AM
Tail pulley?😊
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Ventryjr on June 19, 2021, 05:38:40 AM
Realize that the unit can winch in 12k but it can only drag 6k by the load holding brake.  So dont go dragging the logs with the machine while the winch motor is not powered up. Ive killer a brake that way and its a full teardown.

What are you mounting that on?
Iím not going to drag with the winch. My idea for it is to be able to drop next to a tree. Chain the skid I made to the tree and winch from that point. Also be able to move around the woods w/ forks on any piece of equipment.  I initially thought I would put 2 handles on it and make it a 2 man carry. But I think itís weighing in around 400lbs currently so no man powered carrying lol  Basically My plan is to use this when Iím either stuck or have a log I can drag out with the skid steer due to space.  I also picked up the harbor freight tree strap and snatch block.  Going to give it all a spin today. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on June 19, 2021, 09:13:45 AM

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I had hoped it would work as a vibratory sheepsfoot for compacting clay but im not impressed so far.  

Had doubts from the start and hedged my bets by clocking the pucks 90* different so that theyd work as a rotary pulverizer also.  Need something that can prepare a seedbed, strip sod and so forth.  
how did that end up working mike? I have been wanting to build one of those for a very long time. especially since my ground is all clay and the only time it ever seems to break up is when its to hard and dry to do anything with.

edit: 
I see its just a vibratory one you do not have the roller part powered. that would be an easy fix with the right gearbox.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 19, 2021, 10:32:27 AM
@Ventryjr (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=47944)  

I hate to rain on your parade but ive done what youre doing.  The 2 batteries will be deeply discharged in short order and permanently harmed unless theyre deep cycle.   I have a pair of 925cca group 31 semi batteries on my old kubota for an 8k winch and the 10 amp generator cant keep them up.. Tractor wont start after heavy winching and i need to put on an alternator.   The bobcat also uses dual 925cca's with this winch and a 65amp 12si and it is okay.  


When the winch cable pulls, pauses and pulls again even though you didnt let off the button you better stop for the day.  Its the voltage getting dragged down too low for the switching contactor magnetism to hold against the return springs.  As the voltage drops the amp draw rises and the copper contacts inside will arc.  They can melt, weld in the on position and catch fire.  Listen close for solenoid clacking.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Ventryjr on June 19, 2021, 11:27:32 AM
@mike_belben (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33722) thats what I put on it was 2 group 31s.  I didnít think about the voltage drop/contactor issue. Do you think 2-6v scissor lift batteries would work better? I have access to refurbs batteries very cheap. I could also wire up a quick connect charging setup to my ctl and tractor. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 19, 2021, 12:31:07 PM
I ran old arc stinger cables up my boom to anderson connectors and its been flawless.  Everything in the yard has andersons so the bobcat was a mobile jumper box until i bent a valve. I also have some really long 2awg jumpers with welding clamps and an anderson so i can charge anything off the bobcat or run the receiver winch off anything with a 2" hitch and a battery/alt.  


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@Crusarius 


That frame is just a vibratory roller.   the smooth drum works good on dry loose clay as a smoother but not really any compaction gained.  The sheepfoot just disturbed dry clay and i havent had a chance to try on wetter stuff that it may work okay on.  Sheepfoot did do surprisingly well as a clodbuster, breaking up big, dry bowling balls into granules that will spread better.
   
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: scsmith42 on June 21, 2021, 04:20:55 PM
I decided to put together a new welding and layout table for my little little log cabin machine shop (not to be confused with "Log Cabin Republicans", LOL).

Out in the main shop I have a nice 4' x 8' steel table (seen in the first pic), but in the machine shop the welding table consisted of a 24" square plate of 1/2" steel that sat on a couple of wood saw horses.

At an auction I picked up some cast iron legs that came off of a piece of industrial equipment, and a local scrap yard had a nice piece of 3' x 4' steel plate in 3/4" thickness. I had some nice heavy steel casters left over from a different acquisition a number of years ago that were also allocated to the project.


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I decided to install the legs in a splayed out position in order to allow me more external room for clamping at the top, yet not sacrifice stability. This also allows good room for me to sit on a tall stool while TIG welding.  Some wedges were made to take care of the leg angles.


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The top was drilled and tapped so as to be able to bolt the leg assemblies in place.  Bevel washers were used to keep the bolt head alignment in the proper plane.


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Today I took delivery of a 16mm annular cutter for my mag drill so that I can drill the top for some Bessey style clamps. I'm pleased with how it came out. It's nice and tall so I don't have to bend over when using the MIG or stick, and a stool works fine for TIG work. It is very stable too. It's not as nice as many of the ones that I've seen fabricated by fellow WW members, but it works well for my purpose.


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 21, 2021, 06:20:24 PM
Looks great.  Now i want to know more about the... camper chassis service trailer ???
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Walnut Beast on June 22, 2021, 03:39:32 AM
Looks fantastic. Pretty sharp looking red 👍
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: scsmith42 on June 22, 2021, 08:26:57 AM
Looks great.  Now i want to know more about the... camper chassis service trailer ???
Not a camper chassis....

A few years back I picked up a surplus utility bed that came off of a Class 6 welding supply truck to use as a mobile shop trailer around the farm.  

I fabricated a chassis with 7" channel with a pair of 7,500 lb brake axles. 
 
Mounted at the front of the trailer is a Miller Trailblazer Pro 350D with 250' of welding cable lead and 71 gallons of available fuel.  There is a suitcase MIG, plasma torch, carbon arc torch, oxy-propane set, 80 gallon air compressor and a drill press all on the trailer.

I keep pure CO2 and tri-mix on board for the suitcase MIG.  Also have a push-pull gun for aluminum.



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I still have a few more mods to do to the trailer before painting it.  Mainly I'm planning to lower the center deck section about a foot so as to have a more convenient height for working.

A hinged bumper in back allows access to under-deck metal storage.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 22, 2021, 11:34:13 AM
Wow is that thing rigged out or what.   smiley_thumbsup

I was on the fence about being a camper frame. The hubcaps and steps made me think it was a good guess. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Wudman on June 22, 2021, 02:39:29 PM
Next question----who would scrap a piece of 3x4x 3/4 plate?  Nice find.   8)

Wud
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: scsmith42 on June 22, 2021, 07:02:44 PM
Next question----who would scrap a piece of 3x4x 3/4 plate?  Nice find.   8)

Wud
It's amazing what manufacturing plant will scrap out.  I was trying to find something in the 1.25" - 1.5" range, but the 3/4" worked out fine.
The 16mm annual cutter arrived yesterday; so hopefully tomorrow I'll drill some holes in the top for clamps.  I don't plan on drilling the entire top - only a row along a short and long side.  That way I can use it for placing parts on w/o worrying about them dropping through a hole in the top.

Wow is that thing rigged out or what.   smiley_thumbsup

I was on the fence about being a camper frame. The hubcaps and steps made me think it was a good guess.
That's logical.  I've since swapped the wheels out for some old mag wheels that I had on my GMC Jimmy (it was upgraded with some surplus HMMVW rims and tires).  The step was one that I replaced on one of my wife's mobile veterinary hospitals.  It still had some usable life left in it.
It is one heavy trailer; probably weighs in the 8K - 10K lb range fully loaded.

Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 22, 2021, 11:39:08 PM
Im experimenting with a small roller crimper right now in my compactor frame..  Tacked on just one sharpened edge to see what all it'd do. 


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 With a pile of weights it got fairly effective at flattening a tall cover crop but its severing ability was marginal and a spray kill would probably be required after rolling. 


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on June 23, 2021, 08:49:18 AM
Mike, when are you going to just power that beast and have a nice cultivator?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: The Wanderer on June 23, 2021, 08:58:33 AM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/44847/IMG_1448.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1624452398) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/44847/IMG_1447.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1624452383) Just a little idea . I have 240 acres of recreational /forestry land and to keep my 2 km roads and 4 km trails in shape I pull this big tire around .Under the tire I have 3 skidder chains attached .
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 23, 2021, 09:13:48 AM
@Crusarius (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=35059) 

I will eventually mount a diff backwards to create a 4.1x speed increaser for the lumpy drum to act as a harley rake and general forest floor pulverizer for getting grass started in woodsy paddocks.. Or stripping off crummy lawn.

 a roller crimper is for when you dont want bare dirt.  In my case for lack of seeding equipment and small spaces, id broadcast seed into a tall weed/vegetation bed and then come over it with a crimper to lay the cover crop over the seed to protect it from birds and retain moisture.  The crimper also acts as a cultipacker to push the seed into the dirt for better seed/soil contact and germination rates.

Again id probably have to spray to kill the old layer but the point is to let it protect and fertilize the new seed.. Have the parts to weld up a spray bar for the quad sitting on the bench now.   

The commercial farms that are roller crimping are using some very heavy drums with various style cutters, often times front mount roller and rear planter in one pass to cut the fuel bill in half.  The planting equipment is pretty modified and heavily weighted in order to cut the crop mat and force a seed in, usually coulters ahead of each drill.  Im discovering a layer of hip high grass stalks is tougher than it looks!  

Crimping is a fairly recent technology so the farms doing it have fabbed up all sorts of trial and error equipment to make it work.  The yield data suggests it is a best practice vs conventional tillage.  less erosion, less runoff, less phosphates in the creek, higher soil moisture etc.


We suffer from hard, thin top soil that needs more organic matter to build up a good tilth.  Really im just making sure i never succumb to the television. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 23, 2021, 09:14:50 AM
That makes a really nice trail Wanderer.  smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 24, 2021, 05:11:19 PM
I finished out putting segmented cutters on the crimper drum.. Literally just sharpened bed frame scraps, 1x1 thin angle.  

It works quite well at terminating tall weeds and brambles.  Before/after same spot. 


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Tacotodd on June 24, 2021, 06:10:08 PM
Looking good Mike 👍 Now for the food plot improvements as well as your salt.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Bruno of NH on June 25, 2021, 06:25:16 AM
I decided to put together a new welding and layout table for my little little log cabin machine shop (not to be confused with "Log Cabin Republicans", LOL).

Out in the main shop I have a nice 4' x 8' steel table (seen in the first pic), but in the machine shop the welding table consisted of a 24" square plate of 1/2" steel that sat on a couple of wood saw horses.

At an auction I picked up some cast iron legs that came off of a piece of industrial equipment, and a local scrap yard had a nice piece of 3' x 4' steel plate in 3/4" thickness. I had some nice heavy steel casters left over from a different acquisition a number of years ago that were also allocated to the project.


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13296/3x4_top.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1624306266)
 




I decided to install the legs in a splayed out position in order to allow me more external room for clamping at the top, yet not sacrifice stability. This also allows good room for me to sit on a tall stool while TIG welding.  Some wedges were made to take care of the leg angles.


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13296/Splayed_legs.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1624306283)



The top was drilled and tapped so as to be able to bolt the leg assemblies in place.  Bevel washers were used to keep the bolt head alignment in the proper plane.


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13296/Leg_attachment.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1624306274)
  



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13296/Leg_wedges.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1624306282)
  




Today I took delivery of a 16mm annular cutter for my mag drill so that I can drill the top for some Bessey style clamps. I'm pleased with how it came out. It's nice and tall so I don't have to bend over when using the MIG or stick, and a stool works fine for TIG work. It is very stable too. It's not as nice as many of the ones that I've seen fabricated by fellow WW members, but it works well for my purpose.


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13296/Finished_table_in_tool_cabin.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1624306265)

Awesome build Sir
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Downstream on June 25, 2021, 09:59:58 AM
Hey Mike on that crimper concept you may want to try a spiral shape vs straight across the roller.  In my past life in the ag and lawn/garden world we always tried to use spiral shape on roller type attachments to minimize ground contact length at any point in time which concentrates down pressure for more effective cutting/crimping.  I like your thought to use previous ground cover to protect new seedbed.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 25, 2021, 12:06:11 PM
Thanks @Downstream (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=31739)  

I have a PDF from USDA evaluating all the various crimper styles that existed by 2016.. About 8 or so.  

Their claim was that the straight blades had better termination at the expense of lumpy operation.  Curved blades could run faster due to being smoother because of to continual contact like a highway bead down the center of Goodyear OZ humvee mud tires or ag tires that end each paddle real close to the next in the center strip... But the termination wasnt as good as straight blade.  


I dont have the means to fab a curved cutter paddle.  The lumping doesnt bother me but im sorely lacking on weight compared to a real crimper. The best ones imo look to have a smooth lead roller and a bunch of small straight cutter wheels on sprung swingarms trailing behind.   What i noticed was my smooth roller really flattened great but obviously didnt cut.  As i added cutters it stopped flattening as well but started chopping better.  I broke up my straight cutters into irregular segments that engage at different times and that helped.  

Also mine has a rubber sandwiched pivot to dampen the shaker (which doesnt really benefit the cutter action.. The weights absorb all the shake) and when i drive in reverse the roller cants a little sideways. This causes the roller to try to steer.  Imagine pressing a knife down into your forearm. It jusy leaves a crease mark for a few minutes.   Thats my roller going forward.  Now press it down and drag hard across the forearm. Youll get blood.  Thats mine going in reverse. Which is fine since i prefer to back into the worst briar patches and knock it down a bit at a time.

If you only need forward and only have a small machine, a smooth drum with a spring loaded cutter bar that rides a snap cam that slams the single blade frequently right behind the roller is the best youre gonna do.  A big heavy tractor with a big heavy straight blade roller on the front with hydraulic down pressure is the best termination you can get from an eaay to make roller.

My roller frame still fits on the front of my deere 140 with downpressure so whenever thats back together...
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Downstream on June 25, 2021, 07:20:48 PM
If I understand your post properly I think you already tried this, but just in case.  When you design an ag implement for crop cutting the focus is always on lbs/disc blade being maximized for better cutting.  If you cannot fab a spiral the next best thing is a shorter straight cutter approx 1/3 of the width of the drum.  Space these around the circumference of the drum straight like your full length one starting on one side.  Do the same in the middle and also the far edge.  Each of these sections is indexed so that only one cutter bar is fully engaged at a time as the drum rotates.   This will triple your lbs/cutter edge.  You may have already done this based on your comments.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on June 25, 2021, 10:47:38 PM
Yep, thats what i did and why i did it.  Get the psi up in the cutter points.  Didnt have enough weight with a single bar test soi segmented it into randoms with the last of my scraps.  Longer angle might cut better but all i have is thick and didnt want to be sharpening all day with the grinder.  Thin stuff is like a razor with just a dusting from the wheel. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Tacotodd on June 28, 2021, 02:58:50 AM
I really like that analogy of pressing vs slicing. Easy enough for ANYONE to understand. smiley_clapping

And now, for that end result.  smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on July 01, 2021, 06:17:25 PM
My crimper achieved a considerably better kill rate than i expected.   Probably 80-90% or so. 


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/0701211041_Film1.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1625177502)


Clover starting to poke through the mat already. 


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: newoodguy78 on July 01, 2021, 09:54:50 PM
Mike how many passes to achieve that? Single or multiple? Glad to see it worked for you 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on July 01, 2021, 10:58:53 PM
Think of it like painting.  I dont raise the implement often, really just for rock ledge or to reposition elsewhere.  So im backing into a wall of briars until one wants to get me then pull forward enough to curve over and reverse again, taking another half row down.  Back and forth while curving around.  

If a spot needs more i will raise the roller for just a second so the paddles shift out of sequence and try again.  A lot of the stuff you fail to cut is a simple case of a it slipping between the knives.  Im sure the tires are doing a lot of the kill once the roller flattens.  But also just enough soil disturbance and cultipacking to get the seedbank sprouting its next wave.  Unlike tillage there is no erosion in a downpour this way.  There are parts id my yard just oozing away right now in the rain.  With crimping the dirt is more or less undisturbed, by conventional measures. Micorhizae will remain intact so thats a big bonus. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: newoodguy78 on July 01, 2021, 11:08:20 PM
Mike Iím well versed in tillage and the downside of years and years of row crops. Erosion is a real issue. Iíve been trying to implement some soil conservation practices here without getting myself in trouble

If those areas are something you are trying to establish with perennial crops look into frost seeding. Iíve seen tremendous results with it here in the northeast. During that time of year when the ground is frozen in the morning and muddy in the afternoon broadcast the seed. The freezing and thawing action creates the seed to soil contact. Not sure if your area would be different but itís one of those outside the box practices that Iíve done personally and seen excellent results.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on July 01, 2021, 11:20:58 PM
Im no expert, but im getting better at it.  I turn my compost pile with a backhoe instead of a pitchfork now, put it that way.  i add about fifty fold more material to my dirt than i extract from it. 

We have some pretty poor soil and the early years are discouraging.  I couldnt get corn or squash to even grow the first year.  Now ive got squash running between the rows and its all dark lush green, huge leaves, stiff stalks etc.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on July 01, 2021, 11:31:59 PM

If those areas are something you are trying to establish with perennial crops look into frost seeding. Iíve seen tremendous results with it here in the northeast. During that time of year when the ground is frozen in the morning and muddy in the afternoon broadcast the seed. The freezing and thawing action creates the seed to soil contact. Not sure if your area would be different but itís one of those outside the box practices that Iíve done personally and seen excellent results.
Just caught your edit.   I guess that is basically whats working for me now.  Its all food plot mix, started with one bag.


 I planted the first fall, it came up decent and stayed green all but maybe 2 months of winter.  Well naturally it all went to seed and died in place.  The trees hardly had a bud on them and poof.. Sprang back up.. A solid 2 months before greenup.


By the time the pastures in the area were green and leaves were formed, i was waist high in forage.  
These are test patches for light, lime, fertilizer etc.

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I harvested the seed off that and killed it recently for hot season, let it break down in place and build up the topsoil.  The plots pop up again on their own in place and i spread the harvested seed to new areas.  Retards the woody regen a bit, and eventually will be silvopasture in shelterwood pockets.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Walnut Beast on July 11, 2021, 02:42:11 AM
Fabricating heavy duty receiver hitches 1/2 thick all the way around
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 and a combination log skid/arch with a receiver for pulling a gooseneck trailer and other trailers that will also detach from the rear of arch and connect to the machine in receivers 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Roundhouse on July 11, 2021, 07:37:17 PM
As far as fabrication goes this is about as simple as it gets but I'll share what lead up to this little project anyways. 

I'm putting a road in across a 10 acre lot I bought last fall. My source for sand and gravel is just over a half mile away on my sawmill lot. My old F350 dump had a hard life before I got it and needed some attention in order to do this job. Last year I replaced the alternator and was able to fill in the mouth of the driveway before the air pump seized up. This spring I brought out a new pump but was stymied when the long bolt through the housing snapped off. Over a series of trips I lined up a replacement bolt, hacked the old pump out, drilled an alternate hole for mounting, and finally got everything put back together. I had my skid steer on the new lot and loaded the truck off an earthen ramp at my sand pit.

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I was just getting into the groove with 8 loads moved when the truck sprung a bad leak in the fuel line. I got it parked without incident but the truck was out of commission pending another repair. 

Last fall I moved some dirt with my small side dump trailer mounted on my pole trailer so I made a trip using that behind my regular truck. The biggest issue with that was since I wasn't loading with the skid steer instead the loader trip bucket which is much too blunt an instrument for the job. So I hooked the side dump behind the tractor and made a trip like that. The issue with this set was to load the side dump I had to back it up to the earthen ramp and hand load from above with a wheelbarrow and buckets. Slow, and the side dump is due for a redesign that will allow it to be more stable and carry more. Here is the loader with the empty side dump after coming back from the project. I would take apart the trailer with my forklift in the morning. 

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The important thing learned from delivering sand with the tractor was that my trail was able to be traversed by the tractor all the way in for the first time. I've had a load of building materials staged on my running gear since last fall. My next trip I'd haul the running gear into my building site and unload it, freeing up the running gear for other tasks. As soon as the running gear was empty I tossed some spruce poles on for the ride back to the sawmill. Back at the mill the spruce comes off and lumber is ready to go on for a new platform.

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The hemlock I milled last month was just right to put a 9' long platform on the running gear. This one is made with the trip bucket in mind, it has a 6x6 beam on each side, 1" planks across the center and two 2x12 cross pieces tying it together underneath. The beams are stout enough that I can rest the bucket on them, release the bucket and slowly raise and dump. It will hold about three buckets full.

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I do need to unload by hand but that is much preferred over loading by hand. At this stage it's good to be able to bring the fill to just the right place on the trail and distribute it precisely. Here is the loader and wagon ready to make another run, a load in the bucket and another on the new platform.  

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How about a look at the object of all this effort. Although I'm improving numerous locations simultaneously this low spot provides a good idea of the work. My route appears to be an old skidding route that was not improved in any major way. I didn't take a true before photo but have this one from when I was just getting started. This was the lowest spot with standing water when I scoped out the trail and could get through it on my 2WD four wheeler but it was obvious a pipe and plenty of fill would be needed to make this an all-weather road. Here I've started placing small logs in the void to begin establishing a base to work off, although the four wheeler would slide, straddle the logs and get stuck. 

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Adding more fiber to the crossing. As I did so I left a gap in the middle where the pipe would go. Easier to cross as long as you don't get caught up in the middle.

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In November I brought in the pipe. The water in the draw flows from right to left as we look at the picture. As you can probably tell the trail is impassible by machine at this point. To get get tools into the building site I had to walk them across the gap then load them in a wheelbarrow.

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First trip in the spring, not a lot has changed although I'm stacking some more limbs around the pipe where I'll deliver some more fill from nearby with the wheelbarrow so I can develop just enough ramp to get up and over the pipe with my four wheeler. That will get me into a dirt source at the back of the lot and I can start adding it here with a small garden trailer behind the wheeler. 

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In May I moved my skid steer down here and did the grading leading up to the pipe with just enough fill to just eek over the pipe without getting stuck, then the same thing on the other side. Now crossing with the four wheeler was a breeze but I had some work to do to comfortably bring the skid steer out again.

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Finally, it was a real milestone to be able to run the trail with my loader tractor. The lighter color is the sand and rock mix I've put down this month. Still plenty of fill to add, about 6" on top and a foot wider on either side. After working with a shovel and a wheelbarrow getting full size equipment in here makes all the difference.

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on July 11, 2021, 07:57:38 PM
Thats a lotta butt bustin roundhouse.  Nice job doin what ya can with what ya got.  


I suggest finding truck chains to cut down for all 4 corners of the skid steer.  Huge difference in the woods.  Weld extra chain patterns into em if you need to.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Roundhouse on July 12, 2021, 10:33:37 AM
Thats a lotta butt bustin roundhouse.  Nice job doin what ya can with what ya got.  

Thanks, it's rewarding seeing it come together. I was getting ready to sell the F350 and replace with a dump trailer when this "one more job" came along. As happened when I did the road into my sawmill it's tempting to buy equipment for dirtwork but this job is the exception to the long term task of moving logs to the mill and sawmilling out here. I've resisted the urge to go shopping and gotten the work done with existing machines. I could probably buy and later sell a dozer but I like avoiding the hassle of arranging for transport, selling etc.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on July 12, 2021, 01:34:52 PM
If you buy a dozer you wont wanna sell it. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Roundhouse on July 13, 2021, 01:42:30 PM
If you buy a dozer you wont wanna sell it.
That's probably the largest concern. I tend to take my time shopping and be careful about what I buy and how much I pay. As a result I tend to hang on to what I have for a long time. There seems to be a sweet spot where the machine isn't a basket case but also isn't so new that it's bleeding value if it sits most of the time. Or maybe I've been lucky most of the time. It's all still an elaborate hobby for me so if I can't pay cash out of the fun fund I don't buy. Since I don't smoke, drink or boat my vice is using old iron in the woods.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on July 13, 2021, 01:53:28 PM
Mine too.  It's unfortunate there isnt a good acronym for this.  BOAPOHF just doesnt ring. 

Thats bust out another pail of hydraulic fluid, of course. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on July 21, 2021, 01:04:45 AM
Same spot i crimped, very hearty, early germination and establishment of cool season seeds in the dead of hot season. Im waiting to see if they survive august. My conclusion is a roller crimper is worth the effort to build.  I only rolled one time and did nothing else. Did not seed it either, the roller caused a perennial crop.  The spots i did not roll elsewhere only have unwanted oak and sassafrass seedlings coming up.

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And this one isnt fab but i felt pretty clever.  Spent maple tap for a right angle caulking applicator

  I had to put a bead under the edge of some really flat tin to try to get a clean drip.  Water has been clinging underneath and wicking up the underside. That tin and gutter are over a storage truckbody as if they were 3" off the ground. So I couldnt angle the gun to caulk this underside any other way


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Tried it this morning and every drop falls clean off the edge into the gutter just right.  Looks like no more wicking back up the framing lumber or pouring down the container doors and splashing my welder.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on August 06, 2021, 11:44:08 PM
If you want to lay in flat bottom trenches, you want a bucket with a long flat bottom.


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That also helped make side swipe smoothing and backfilling much more precise and efficient.  Very happy.


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Root grubbers on the backside came in handy today.


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: teakwood on August 07, 2021, 08:41:43 AM
nice bucket mike, but the curl in geometry , brake out force is way off in such a extended  bucket, i don't know if that matters on a backhoe though
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on August 07, 2021, 10:13:38 AM
Thats why the rippers are on back with their leverage ratio being much much higher than the front edge.  It worked excellent on a septic repair yesterday.

a 6 inch wide bucket has enough PSI to do pretty well in clay even being super long.  And besides its only a pin on tractor hoe, im not ripping ledge or filling articulated dumpers!  It does dig differently though.  You point it straight down and rake toward you like a garden hoe. Then roll under and strip off a straight line like a sod cutter or potato peeler, ice cream scoop etc.  It digs linear strokes instead of arcs.  

Makes it much much easier to get a flat trench floor.  When you sweep the spoils away by swinging to the side, you also get flat clean ground instead of little crescents. I love it.  But i would not want it for a GP bucket at all. Its only good at one thing.  If you were going down to finished depth and trying to break out a foot deep of hard trench at a time it is definitely weaker at the breakout tip. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on August 11, 2021, 12:53:06 AM
Finished up an emergencyish drainage repair for a neighbor today, bucket is excellent.  


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It sidesweeps very clean and flat.  Look at the grass where the dirtpile was. That was entirely by machine, no hand labor.


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Kodiakmac on August 11, 2021, 12:35:57 PM
A couple of months ago I picked up a 7-ton John Deere running gear for $350.00 CDN.  There was a bend in the reach about 14 inches from one end, so I split the wagon and cut off the bent part.  With that piece cut off, I am still able to get from 7' to 11' between the bunks.

The bunks are 6" x 3" x 1/4' rectangular channel steel 66' long; the bunks sit on 2 1/2" x 1/4" inch square tube vertical supports that are bolted to the original bolsters; and the braces that tie in the bunks to the frame are 1/4" x 3" flat steel stock.  

The standards (upright posts) are 2 1/2" x 1/4" inch square tube, 4' long.  I will be rigging up a one-pull lever/cable release on the right side (facing forward) that will simultaneously pull out 1 of the draw-pins at the bottom of each standard; the other 2 pins will be removed by hand  prior to pulling the release.  I drilled out the 4 holes on the bottom of the right side standards to 1" diameter and welded in a section of 1 " pipe to act as a bushing to reduce friction and binding when the draw-pins are yanked out by the release.

The chains running from standard to standard are flipped out of the way when loading, then snugged up by binders when loaded up.  The chains remain in place when the trip lever is pulled.  So the bottom of the right-side standards will kick out when the pins are pulled.  

Patent Pending .... :D :D :D



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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on August 11, 2021, 04:42:10 PM
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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: aigheadish on August 12, 2021, 12:37:06 PM
@mike_belben (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33722) that bucket does look dang handy. I'd love to design a slip on edge or bucket for my backhoe like that. Every once in a while I can swipe dirt from grass, like you did, with my big, normal bucket and boy is it satisfying to do, it'd be lovely to do it easily.

I guess this is the Fabrication thread...


I've got the need to infinite rocks and I have about 2 acres of land in which I'm not really disturbing much by digging it up, screening it, then pushing all the dirt back in the hole. I'm trying to figure out a good design for screening rocks. I've seen some examples of a pretty substantial wooden frame with chain link fence set at about 45 degrees, then a finer screen to catch smaller rocks. As usual I'm aiming to do it for a little money as possible. 

I've also heard of folks that built a screen that would flip down over their loader buckets but I'm not sure if they were being used to screen rocks out or dirt out and rocks in... I think that's a bit more than I'm capable of with my current tools and supplies. 

I can afford a bit of wood and fence or screen but there are certainly some engineering aspects I'm not thinking of...
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on August 12, 2021, 12:44:40 PM
aig, what is your skillset? For me the first thing I would consider is a drum separator. easy to build and easy to power. just dump a load of dirt in and let it spin till its empty. then repeat. If built properly you should end up with separate piles of different sizes.

Hmmm now that I think about it, easy build would involve using expanded metal. But multiple sorting stations would involve quite a bit more work.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: btulloh on August 12, 2021, 01:06:15 PM
Interesting, fun, and useful project.

X2 what Crusarius said.  A trammel is pretty simple, but a second sort for size would still require a screen deck below.  Screen deck(s) need some oscillation or shaker movement to get stuff through.  If you've got really big rocks you'd need grizzly bars as the very first stage.  It can get complicated - or fun, depending on how you look at it.  Like Crusarius said, it depends on your fab skills - and your bone pile.

I saw a trammel setup that was driven by mounting a riding lawnmower on top of the trammel with the rear wheels providing rotation just by the friction of the back tires.  Kinda simple but not the most dependable drive system.  Then you still need something to shake the screen deck.

To check the screen concept you could make a thing like archeologists use in an hour or less.  2x4 frame with mesh across the bottom. Two 2x4 legs at the center.  Needs to be fed by one person with shovel or bucket while the other person provides the motion to the screen.

Good luck.  I look forward to watching the progress.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on August 12, 2021, 01:49:13 PM
Picture in my head is a long tube starting with a fine mesh then about an 18" solid spot for pile separation then a slightly larger mesh and so on. 

Would have to have a spot to dump dirt in, be able to access underneath to remove piles, and have it powered. Depending on how crazy you get you could sort everything in one shot and just have piles of different coarseness depending on the mesh.

I think the 18" smooth spot would be enough to leave a small separation and not have cross contamination.

This is something I would love to build but most of my soil is nasty clay. I doubt this will work well with clay. especially wet.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: aigheadish on August 12, 2021, 02:24:29 PM
These folks (https://purelivingforlife.com/remove-rocks-from-soil/) built a couple versions of the wooden frame version I was talking about, and it looks like it'd work well enough without being motorized, for my uses. If allowed on this forum, you can see kind of what I'm talking about when searching, like here (https://www.google.com/search?q=homeade+rock+screening+&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwi66c6U-avyAhWBqnIEHcj5CrUQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=homeade+rock+screening+&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQA1DqyThY6sk4YIbLOGgAcAB4AIABAIgBAJIBAJgBAKABAaoBC2d3cy13aXotaW1nwAEB&sclient=img&ei=AVIVYfrkL4HVytMPyPOrqAs&bih=757&biw=1600&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS834US834). 

My skillset is limited but I'm not afraid to try stuff, if I can motivate my way into getting out to do it. I like to learn and experiment with things and I'm not afraid to ask masterminds, like you all. 

I completely understand what you mean by the trommel and I'd imagine I could find an old washing machine motor or something to connect that to, though I've never really done something like that before. I don't know if the scale would be correct as the amount of dirt I'd like to run through, I think, would overwhelm what I could build in a trommel sense. Let's call it around a yard of material, per loader dump, with very few rocks bigger than a basketball, but lots (used loosely, I don't think it'll really be "lots") between golf ball and softball, maybe? My first hole is about 15 feet deep and has made quite the pile of material to sort through. I can dig that hole in around an hour. 

I know there are some rocks in the ground here and there. When my pond was dug up by the house's builder they pulled out a rock just a bit smaller than a VW Beetle, and I've dug up a few that are probably a quarter that big. My hope is to find a lot of the small stuff and, ideally, a couple hundred bigger ones between basketball size and golf cart size. 

Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: btulloh on August 12, 2021, 02:29:03 PM
I like the concept. One long thing, one simple movement. 

A search on ďdiy trammelĒ should turn up a lot of info on prior art. 

The commercial stuff Iíve seen all sorts from big to small in successive stages. Maybe theyíre overlooking the better mousetrap. IDK, Iím just a casual observer.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: btulloh on August 12, 2021, 02:40:49 PM
Well my last reply relates to Crusarius post, if thatís not obvious. 

So aigheadish, youíre already on the research path. No moving parts.  The google thread you linked to brings up the whole range of possibilities. Iím already lost in a bunch of other rabbit holes, so Iím staying out of this one just watch. 

My big problem with the first approach with 2x4ís and chicken wire is that Iíd much rather see some steel, motors, gears, belts, etc. getting tossed around.   :D :D :D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: aigheadish on August 12, 2021, 02:53:08 PM
I certainly like the "no moving parts" aspect to the frame and wire thing. And it's well within my skillset. I've seen and read of some folks who basically used chain link fence on the 45 degree then drop it down to maybe 1" openings in chicken wire or something. The 2x4s and chicken wire do leave some durability questions, without a doubt I'll use some beefier supplies, but I don't have the scrapyard to scrounge metal from, unfortunately. I do have an old tractor mower deck and a flail mower that I could possibly use parts from... I don't know, they may also be seized up for all I know. 

I'll have to look to see if I can find expanded metal with bigger expansions than I've previously seen or paid attention to. I also like the no moving parts part because I should be able to easily pick the whole thing up with the backhoe and move it to the next spot, without dragging huge amounts of material all over the place. 

There is the aspect with the trommel that it seems like it'd probably do a much better job but the complexity rises significantly. 

Luckily the only deadline is my own desire to redo the pond so I can make it a nice swimming hole. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: btulloh on August 12, 2021, 03:26:51 PM
Roger that.  It only needs to do a good enough job to suit the client (which is you).

Maybe Crusarius will jump into the trommel build.

Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Walnut Beast on August 12, 2021, 03:39:39 PM
A couple of months ago I picked up a 7-ton John Deere running gear for $350.00 CDN.  There was a bend in the reach about 14 inches from one end, so I split the wagon and cut off the bent part.  With that piece cut off, I am still able to get from 7' to 11' between the bunks.

The bunks are 6" x 3" x 1/4' rectangular channel steel 66' long; the bunks sit on 2 1/2" x 1/4" inch square tube vertical supports that are bolted to the original bolsters; and the braces that tie in the bunks to the frame are 1/4" x 3" flat steel stock.  

The standards (upright posts) are 2 1/2" x 1/4" inch square tube, 4' long.  I will be rigging up a one-pull lever/cable release on the right side (facing forward) that will simultaneously pull out 1 of the draw-pins at the bottom of each standard; the other 2 pins will be removed by hand  prior to pulling the release.  I drilled out the 4 holes on the bottom of the right side standards to 1" diameter and welded in a section of 1 " pipe to act as a bushing to reduce friction and binding when the draw-pins are yanked out by the release.

The chains running from standard to standard are flipped out of the way when loading, then snugged up by binders when loaded up.  The chains remain in place when the trip lever is pulled.  So the bottom of the right-side standards will kick out when the pins are pulled.  

Patent Pending .... :D :D :D



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Very nice. That should be really handy. Iíve got a frame like that . I think yours might be a tad heavier. Iím going to do the same thing but I ran out of steel on another project so Iím going to use some 6x6 in between and make some new brackets with some pipe for the side rails. Post some pictures of your trailer in action 👍
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on August 12, 2021, 03:39:55 PM
a fixed grate with appropriate sized mesh will work but could be a pain. If you do go that route and it doesn't work great you can just add a vibrator to that. It could be as simple as a 1" thick disk with an offset hole and a motor spinning it. Be just enough vibration it should work well.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Walnut Beast on August 12, 2021, 03:43:20 PM
Finished up an emergencyish drainage repair for a neighbor today, bucket is excellent.  


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It sidesweeps very clean and flat.  Look at the grass where the dirtpile was. That was entirely by machine, no hand labor.


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There is your side business along with your brush clearing 👍
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on August 12, 2021, 05:53:02 PM
I did it with 2 chainlink gates at about a 45 on some sawn limbs that i literally pointed and pounded into the ground and shot some barn nails into for a frame.  Staggered the gates and lashed with fence wire.  Used it to sort fines out of 3 minus pile and it worked fine.  Conveyance to carry the junk away is all it would need to have been productive.  The box fills up and youll push fines back into the coarses when trying to get at it.  Be better to stage ontop a jersey barrier or atleast heavy timbers so you can really drive into it.   


I had to curl down and backdrag fines out of the bay and my mast would hit the frame.  


So design the frame to clear your loader coming in curled down vertical and edge a foot off the ground.   That would be a big help. The chainlink wasnt really an issue.  


Rebar grill in a frame would be fine.  Layed vertically.  Build the main frame with coarse slat spacing.  Build a second rebar grill rack that lays over the first to cut down smaller. Then lay wire mesh over both to get very fine.   Go a bit over 45 so the material rolls right off.  Too shallow a pitch and you can just crush the framework if it clogs up and you dump too fast.  Shuffle the material off the the cutting edge easy so as not to overwhelm the screen. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on August 12, 2021, 05:53:53 PM
Conduit or water pipe or smooth rod will slide better than rebar if ya got it, but the rebar is cheap.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Patrick NC on August 12, 2021, 09:16:05 PM
@mike_belben (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33722) that bucket does look dang handy. I'd love to design a slip on edge or bucket for my backhoe like that. Every once in a while I can swipe dirt from grass, like you did, with my big, normal bucket and boy is it satisfying to do, it'd be lovely to do it easily.

I guess this is the Fabrication thread...


I've got the need to infinite rocks and I have about 2 acres of land in which I'm not really disturbing much by digging it up, screening it, then pushing all the dirt back in the hole. I'm trying to figure out a good design for screening rocks. I've seen some examples of a pretty substantial wooden frame with chain link fence set at about 45 degrees, then a finer screen to catch smaller rocks. As usual I'm aiming to do it for a little money as possible.

I've also heard of folks that built a screen that would flip down over their loader buckets but I'm not sure if they were being used to screen rocks out or dirt out and rocks in... I think that's a bit more than I'm capable of with my current tools and supplies.

I can afford a bit of wood and fence or screen but there are certainly some engineering aspects I'm not thinking of...
We have a skeleton bucket that goes on a backhoe or small excavator that works great for sifting dirt/ separating rocks. The shop built it from an old worn out 30" backhoe bucket. Next time I'm at the shop I'll get a picture and post it. It wasn't hard to build. You just need an old donor bucket, torches, welder and some 3/4" rebar. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on August 12, 2021, 09:51:41 PM
I made a skeleton for the SS.  Its pretty versatile, works well in dusty dry clay or straight rock but not muck.  I shoulda doubled up the corner chisels. 


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Plop on sides

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: aigheadish on August 13, 2021, 06:54:31 AM
Thanks guys! Mike, I'll have to read what you wrote several more times so I get the picture. I certainly understand that bobcat attachment. I was wondering if I could figure out something similar for the front of my loader bucket, as I don't have an extra loader or hoe bucket around, but could potentially rig something like that up. My thoughts are that a screener sticking out from the front of the loader wouldn't be strong enough to really do much but maybe I'm wrong about that...
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on August 13, 2021, 08:02:06 AM
My screener was stationary and was just a thin log frame that held chainlink fence wire at a steep slope.. As long as rock flows off and doesnt plug up the screen wont get crushed by a pile up. Vertical slats slide rocks down and side to side braces tend to hang rocks up.  Then more pile on the hung ones.  Too many and itll bend the screen into a bowl you need to manually drain.


The screen bucket is decent at sifting a pile of rock and removing large stuff from fines.    A stationary screener splits one bucket load into two piles and the dividing line between those two piles needs to be stout.. Something you can really drive in to and spin the tires without budging, or else you re mix the piles you just worked to divide.  

My wall was too short.. Just one log. So if i wanted 10 scoops of fines i had to put 20 or more scoops across the screen but the coarse pile will always add up faster and it got so tall it was staying on bottom of the grate and piling up on the screen to collapse it.  So id have to then clear out the big rock to keep going and get enough small.  Its more efficient to have a screen up high that you can just run 40 buckets through and leave the coarse piled up on that side until you need it. I was having to constantly clear the big stuff to have room to keep screening which meant rehandling twice.  


If an excavator was digging out a bank into a rock truck and the rock truck was dumping all sizes in one pile at a sorting yard, a screen bucket on a wheel loader would work decent for taking the rip rap out of the pile first to go get either piled or processed.  The smaller stuff would fall through so the super cheap bucket gives you a first major sort without the expense of putting all tonnage through a crusher.  Why load rock into a cone or jaw crusher that it doesnt need to go through?  Just burning fuel.  

The hopper on a belt screening plant will  have a big steel bar grate over it at a slope to shed rocks that are too big, but you dont want to be dropping boulders on that as youll just bend your grates and mangle steel, belts and crusher components by dumping boulders on it.  So a screen bucket is good at raking the oversized material out of the pile first to send to a cone or jaw crusher for reduction, or sell straight off if you have a market for rip rap.  What smaller stuff falls through can be sent to a conveyor belt screening plant.


Today they probably make machines that take it all and spit out 5 or 6 perfect sorts but i bet most small family pits are working with what old iron they got and a skeleton can really make sense there to help give your crushers and screens the diet they prefer.  With hydraulic quick attach from the cab its 10 seconds to switch buckets.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Jkauffman on August 13, 2021, 07:56:15 PM
 
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 This picture posting has got the best of me lol.This is a dozer winch mount.All I have is a cutting torch and stick welder so donít judge to hard haha.I think itíll hold,for some reason it looks smaller in the pics but itís 3/4 and 1Ē steel,weighs about 180-200 lb
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: hacknchop on August 13, 2021, 09:07:45 PM
you did great . i haven't managed to figure out how to post pictures ,tried once and I will try again someday maybe when i have my 8 yr old grandson's help
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on August 13, 2021, 09:40:09 PM
Looks real good.  I spy komatsu.  

Can you still get to your brake adjusters?  While you have the seat out is a real good time to drill oversize and repin any of the worn metric yoke pins under the seat.  Look ontop the center section where the hydraulic block with 2 steel rollers is. Wobble the rollers, i bet they have worn shafts and flat spots.  All these things loosening up will make it very hard to steer.. If youre smashing a foot pedal or driving through the brake and its refusing to clutch either side, look deep there. 


Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Jkauffman on August 14, 2021, 08:34:53 AM
Thanks

I actually am going over the linkage here n there.The rod that runs through the top clutch housing on both sides for the brake both had worn out bearings.I took em out and they just fell apart.I need to reline or replace the left brake band but am having a hard time finding a lot or something

Ya I can get to the brake adjustment,made it a little tight but itíll work

I was wanting to make a arch for this winch but I donít think itíll work because of that top piece of flat stock.A regular dozer winch is usually open on top.I canít  find a  angle that would work for a full and empty drum
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on August 14, 2021, 09:08:05 AM
Yeah all my linkages were completely sloppy. The clevis pins were grooved almost to shearing.  I reamed up to SAE sized and put soft bolts so the bolt takes all the wear. The roller bearing wheels that push the hydraulic vent spools to uncouple the drive power were my biggest issue.  I cant remember if i sanded the flat spots down to make round again or if i made new rollers by drilling barstack pucks.  Whatever i did that made a big difference. My brakes were coming on before my power was disengaged, but only sometimes, as the slack always changed.  I could never have the right brake adjustment.  Itll eat brakes up fast


This a d37 right?  6cyl non turbo, inline pump?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Jkauffman on August 14, 2021, 09:18:30 AM
Yup 6d95l-1
D37e-2 to be specific 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on August 14, 2021, 09:32:09 AM
Do you know about the rock catcher screen in one of the banjo bolts .. I think its in the transfer pump inlet.  The bolt has a tiny fuel filter inside and its usually to blame for any headscratcher low power situations.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on August 14, 2021, 11:03:06 PM
Theres the roller tips that hit the clutching spools, reamed to next size to take snug fitting bolts.  And if you have any leaks in back up in that area pull that block, its just Orings underneath iirc. 


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And i forgot to mention these. Look at the top of the trans where your shifter linkages attach to the direction and speed selector spools.  Bet you theyre wallered out like this.  Weld and grind them back to tolerance if needed.  The pins that engage the slots too. 



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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Jkauffman on August 15, 2021, 08:28:54 AM
Thanks for the info!The main wear is on the arms with the rollers that engage the steering valve.I think if I drill oversized holes in the arms and rollers it will help tremendously.My biggest problem is on the left brake,the the rod that runs through the top of the housing was moving without bearings for a long time so itís got a pretty good groove in it,I got new bearings but am gonna have to see if I can find another rod or whatever you call it.It transfers the linkage from the pushrod to inside the housing
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on August 15, 2021, 08:46:09 AM
When you pull those hardpipes and that block with the spools you can get at all those parts.. I cant remember the exact details but i remember it took 2 days of scraping goo and grit and another of power washing before i could work back there.  


Anything you can rebush or tighten up will help a lot.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: aigheadish on August 19, 2021, 02:50:34 PM
I have have clamp-on forks for my backhoe (that I haven't used yet). How terrible do you guys think it'd be to try and build a skeleton around the forks (or that I drive into with the forks) and gently drive into my pile to screen out rocks? 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on August 19, 2021, 03:26:39 PM
If you do it right and be gentle it will work. But what kind of damage will it do long term? May make your forks unusable. plus, at that point how much more work is it to just make a rock separator bucket?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on August 19, 2021, 03:27:48 PM
you mean make a screen insert that your forks carry around?  


i think a screener frame is easer then just scoop and dump over it.  it is not economical for a normal person to sort gravel rock out of clay dirt at all in my experience.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on August 19, 2021, 09:48:13 PM
My experience with clamp on forks is they usually destroy the bucket they are clamped too.....
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: aigheadish on August 20, 2021, 06:20:51 AM
I was thinking something that looked like Mike's at the top of this page, but it sounds like that isn't a great idea.

My wife, to avoid spending a bunch of money, suggested using some of the logs around (or maybe some smallish green trees that are still standing) for the big frame screener, so I'll probably go that route. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on August 20, 2021, 09:40:28 AM
I love my skeleton bucket for many reasons but its a very low efficiency sifter in my dirt.  If you have dry glacial sandy soils or maybe sandy loams.. Stuff that breaks apart at a slight disturbance.. That will fall through and the fines will clear out with a little jostling.  But with clays not at all, its as if there are no holes in the bucket with moist clays.  It takes an aggressive flail hammering action to break up clay and that only works when its dry.  If it cant be dry it needs to be done in complete saturation, like a pond or a jet sprayer conveyance line to wash the clay silts out of the rock.  Our local sand pits use ponding and spray lines to get the sand and clay apart.  


Timbers for the frame will work fine.  Use hog panel, flat metal banding or 12.5g soft fence wire to make criss cross and up/down turnbuckles around the frame (with good fencing grade U nails so it wont slip down the log frame) and you can lay chainlink fence right over.. The grid will help hold it up. 

2 chainlink gate panels overlapped and staggered a bit gives you a finer one but that will plug up easier.


Just build something cheap and fiddle with it from there as needed.  Youll figure it out.  Make it tall and with a stout dividing wall to drive into keep your sort from remixing.  Atleast 2 feet tall barrier.  But 4 is better!


Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Jkauffman on August 20, 2021, 11:10:26 PM
I started checking out the linkage and it was like wow :o.There was 1 pin that was 7/8 the way worn thru and some of the holes where 2 times there size with about 1/16-1/8 metal holding on the edge yet.I filled them all in with weld and redrilled.Should make a big difference.The left brake band is about 4.7-8mm and the ďservice limitĒis from 6 to 4.2mm.I donít think relining kits are available anymore for this dozer and a new side is around 2500.Think Iíll try to get a couple hundred hr outta this one yet n maybe by then Iíll have found a relining kit or just a new band or something 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on August 21, 2021, 07:58:16 AM
Thats how mine was too.  With that price in mind i will stay ontop of my adjustments!

Just did some looking and found mine for under $650 per side aftermarket.  Look a bit harder. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: teakwood on August 21, 2021, 08:11:47 AM
Break bands for drums? like on a winch? you can have them relined here and baked for about 80$, the heck it would be cheaper to take a flight down here, have the bands made, take a long weekend vacation and fly back, lol
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on August 21, 2021, 08:16:25 AM
No, dozer steering bands.  Weekend off does sound nice though. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: teakwood on August 22, 2021, 07:42:43 AM
dozer steering bands.


but they are the same material? they also do clutch pads and stuff
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on August 22, 2021, 08:21:57 AM
I really dont know too much about friction linings but id bet someone with a can do attitude could find a way.  Once upon a time we relined everything. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Ed_K on August 22, 2021, 08:57:37 AM
 If you have them relined you have to be carful of the thickness. I had both the clutch and brake bands relined and the brake band is to thick. It's about 3/16 to thick so when I release the brake the band touches the frame casting and bends back a little and makes the band bend back against the drum and makes it hard to pull the cable out. It has to wear in before I get free spooling. I've been using a forked 1"x 2" to hold the lever about half way and that lets the cable free spool.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Tacotodd on August 22, 2021, 09:39:16 AM
Why donít you just machine the thick part down to thin enough to work properly? Even if you just have to mildly ďget after itĒ with a small but nimble grinder. Iíve seen it done before and it works good.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Iwawoodwork on August 22, 2021, 01:38:56 PM
Mike, I have an old HD4 (now parked) loader that I took the steering brake bands out and relined myself using old automotive brake shoes with brass rivets and that worked ok.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: treemuncher on August 22, 2021, 03:39:15 PM
I really dont know too much about friction linings but id bet someone with a can do attitude could find a way.  Once upon a time we relined everything.
There was a place in Nashville that used to do re-linings. They did some road grader brake shoes for me ages ago. I think that they were on the east side of Nolensville Rd just north of the inner bypass. If they are still in business, you might want to give them a call.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on August 22, 2021, 06:43:11 PM
mine are still okay but i will try to remember that. thanks
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: aigheadish on August 23, 2021, 08:30:50 AM
Thanks for the advice @mike_belben (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33722) your plan sounds like it'll work if I ever get off my butt in this heat.

While I'd like to timber frame it it's now looking like that may not happen. All the dead stuff in my yard is ash that looks to probably fall apart, in the sizes I'd need, as soon as it hits the ground, and I don't have enough of the green growing trees back there that I want to cut any of that down. Lumber prices seem to be coming down a bit and I think I can maybe sneak some 2x6s out with a big culvert pipe I need to get for a bridge over the creek for a delivery. I need to see what the budget is for that first though. Would there be value in treated 2x6? I figure this thing will stay outside it's whole life, but maybe I can save a few bucks and get only a handful of treated for the ones that touch the ground (except, now that I'm looking treated ones are cheaper than non...?).

I was wondering about 2 chain link fence gates. I saw some listed when I was looking for some smaller sections of fence for this project and it seemed like it may be a decent way to go.

My dirt is coming from pretty much exactly the dry glacial stuff, I think. The field was likely farmed at one point, as the first 3 feet or so down appears to be mostly rock free and pretty nice dirt, using it for fill for the wife's patio project. It all seems to break up very nicely and I'm encouraged by the amount of 1/2" plus rocks she's finding just by her hand grading of the patio area. Hopefully that means it'll screen nicely too.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on August 23, 2021, 09:32:11 AM
if you want a lasting structure i suggest visiting the scrapyard, local junkpeddler or welding shop and just get metal.  round pipe is fine if you can weld it.. if not you can put a big dent via punch and hammer to start a drill for some 3/8 bolts.  


SPF lumber wont last long if a machine is loading it.  youll bump it or dump too much on soon or later and a bolt tears through.  mine was 4" limbs from scrub clearing, with barn nails. i actually burned it to get my nails back once it became in the way.  if youre just shovel screening into a wheelbarrow i guess lumber would work but i would probably go buy rough sawn oak from a local sawyer and nail something up out of 1x planking.  something with sidewalls so i could pile it up and hand rake back and forth through my screens into a wheelbarrow parked below.  i dont remember if you have a loader or not. 

if you can collect water off the gutter in a walmart kiddie pool, you will be well on your way to screening out the sand from clay or loam/muf for a top coat.  nothing lays up better under pavers than sand in my opinion.  it is also the last ingredient to pour ontop of gravels to make them lock up rock hard and tight, as the rain washes in the finest particles down to the very last of the void spaces within. 

i water sorted the sand and clay years back for the kids to play pottery.  took me a few days but they had fun with it for oh 15 minutes, as per normal with kids and new toys.  :D

 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: aigheadish on August 23, 2021, 12:51:58 PM
Thanks again @mike_belben (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33722) the more I'm reading into it the more it looks like metal may be the smarter way to go. I've never shopped for metal in any way, so I'm not nearly as familiar... I do have a backhoe loader I'm using for material gathering and to apply to the screen. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: aigheadish on August 24, 2021, 08:13:27 AM
I want to say that I really appreciate the knowledge you all have and thank you again for the advice you're giving. I'm not ignoring any of it, just doing what I'm more comfortable with, for now. 

Well, I discussed my screener with my lovely wife last night and with my lack of knowledge of metal working she suggested I waste some money on a wooden screener, and if I have to build another later that'd be ok. It'll be a good learning experience and an opportunity to show my kids how to build something tangible. My plan is to build it pretty beefy and if I get a season or two out of it I can call it a success. After I get to messing around with it then I can start looking at some upgrades if needed. I also don't expect this screener to have to fight many rocks bigger than a volleyball, so it won't be heavy duty usage, I don't think.

I'll post as I go along. And, thanks again!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on August 24, 2021, 08:42:18 AM
Pull your volleyballs out by hand before dumping on the screen, theyll put pockets in your chainlink fence to pool up or just pull it right off the gate frame. 

At a 45 degree angle you should be okay lightly shuffling on material up to about 6 inch.  Make whatever you can and just treat it kind enough to last the job.  Youll be fine.  I bet you can sell it when youre done if its not smashed.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: aigheadish on August 24, 2021, 12:28:41 PM
Yup! I'm thinking I'll be able to see any of the bigger stuff as it's semi-rare and I usually notice it in the backhoe bucket. I'll pull it out then. 

I sent a note to my FIL who is aware of all kinds of random piles of stuff, he may have some cheap or free supplies that may bring a metal screener back into a possibility. 

Thanks again for your inventiveness and insight. I can't say it enough!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: btulloh on August 24, 2021, 12:41:37 PM
If you can rig up some grizzly bars above the screen to weed out the volleyballs and keep them from damaging your screen itíd be a good thing. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Jeff on September 04, 2021, 10:31:34 AM
Fabricating a lifting boom in minutes using my Logrite arch - YouTube (https://youtu.be/xbGk0qRaqP4)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 04, 2021, 11:38:09 AM
 smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: ljohnsaw on September 04, 2021, 12:10:39 PM
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Do you have a snatch block you can hang on that shackle?  That would save the cable from undo wear.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Jeff on September 04, 2021, 12:28:37 PM
Yup I do, but it was 182 miles away during recording. :D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 08, 2021, 09:42:11 PM
Squirrel proof bird feeders a buddy asked me to make him.  Lucky i didnt charge him the john deere rate.


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Roundhouse on September 09, 2021, 01:29:51 AM
This may not qualify as a tale of fabrication but since there isn't a daily refinishing thread I'll give it a shot.

The start of this story could be fodder for the carnage thread. I was doing some odd jobs with my "new" forklift when I blew a hydraulic line. In searching for the blown hose I started taking off some panels. In the process I realized the floor panel comes off with just four bolts. I didn't have the right size wrenches for the hydraulic fittings once I found them so that is still in the works and a whole 'nother story. 

Back to the floor. It had plenty of dirt on it when I bought the machine and no paint. I wanted to redo it but thought I would have to work on it in place. With the machine down until I could complete the line replacement, I took off the floor and brought it home with me. I don't have a great before photo showing the condition of the floor pan but you can see it fairly well in this photo of the cab:

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The first step was cleaning off the floor then hitting it with a wire wheel on the drill. The floor was quite pitted but thanks to the heavy gauge of the metal nothing through the floor or close to that. The surprise for me was the that there wasn't a readily available yellow paint that was close enough to the right yellow for my purposes. I would ultimately mix some paints I had to get close to the factory yellow. I also have a couple cans of "traction grit" that I've never used and wanted to try some of that for this project. In the past I've tried the stickers/strips with grip on them but don't think I've found the right ones and haven't been happy with them. Anyway, after cleaning it up and priming the bare metal I put down the yellow, then another thick coat, as soon as I did that I put down a stencil I made and applied the grit. I put down plenty of grit to make sure I didn't miss any spots. Unfortunately the wind kicked up shortly after this and spread the extra grit around a bit. It took pretty well but was a little "unfocused" although having more traction on the floor isn't a bad thing. To clean it up a bit I put down another coat of yellow over the non-stencil areas a few hours after the thick coat set up:

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It was shaping up nicely although I wasn't convinced of the durability where the white stencil sand hadn't been sealed down. I liked how stable the areas I had gone over with a coating of yellow felt so I decided to break out the black gloss and put a layer over the stencil stripes:

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/42799/thumbnail_IMG_1155.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1631157530)


Once I'd gone over all the gritty areas with black the result looked pretty good. I'll be curious to see how this holds up long term, I don't think I'll track as much dirt inside as the previous owner but some is inevitable. The appearance reminds me of sticker strips but with no corners to peel up:

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I'd be curious to hear if others have dabbled with this embedded grit. The instructions on the can talk about mixing this into the paint but I was dealing with a limited amount of yellow that I blended myself, besides I liked the idea of concentrating the grit into a pattern on the floor. Maybe there is a professional grade of the sticker style I haven't found yet that bonds really well, although with the pitting on this floor I can see adhesive having trouble eventually. The paint and grit has no trouble with the unevenness and hides a lot of sins.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Kodiakmac on September 09, 2021, 07:37:17 AM
That's a great job, Roundhouse!

Gave me an idea for our bathtub/shower floor! :D
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: trimguy on September 09, 2021, 08:14:21 AM
Looks good. But , you know itís going to make the rest of the paint look bad.😂
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on September 09, 2021, 09:52:47 AM
Squirrel proof bird feeders a buddy asked me to make him.  Lucky i didnt charge him the john deere rate.


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/0908211752-1.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1631151640)

Mike, did you flatten the tube with a hammer then bend it in a vice? or is there a more scientific approach on this one? :)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: HemlockKing on September 09, 2021, 11:24:46 AM
I would say he used a vice  ;D

I just shoot the squirrels when they get so plentiful. Last year I killed 20 and they were still everywhere. I have 8 bird feeders I only keep 2 stocked at a time to keep the squirrels guessing. By the time they figure out the one the birds have depleted that one. I get tired of shooting them I guess lol 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on September 09, 2021, 12:05:16 PM
I have some mink and fishers that roam through the area. seems like about every 2-3 years our chipmunk and squirrel population disappear then slowly come back. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 09, 2021, 02:20:44 PM
Squirrel proof bird feeders a buddy asked me to make him.  Lucky i didnt charge him the john deere rate.
Mike, did you flatten the tube with a hammer then bend it in a vice? or is there a more scientific approach on this one? :)
home made press brake
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on September 09, 2021, 09:07:55 PM
hey, I have one of those to. got pics?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 09, 2021, 10:46:30 PM
Will try remembering to take some tmrw
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 13, 2021, 10:50:55 PM
Sorry for the delay


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/0910211722.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1631586473)



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43722/0910211724.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1631586471)



Those brackets are just industrial hinges with a window cut to hold the top die and free my hand up. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on September 14, 2021, 09:49:18 AM
Mike, you are brilliant. I will have to post pics of mine but my top die has a sleeve that goes around the pusher that holds it. the bottom is very similar to yours. I have been trying to figure out a good way to guide it for a while. the hinges are perfect.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on September 14, 2021, 10:42:35 AM
here are quick pics of mine.

 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/45059/20210914_102845.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1631630215)
 

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It works pretty good. the orange frame is an HF 12 ton press. I have been able to bend 3/8" x4" wide the jack bypasses a little with that material but it still bends where I need it to. I have been trying to find a better way to guide it than to just eyeball it. so far it has worked great. its 13" wide. I do have a set screw that holds it to the pusher.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: ljohnsaw on September 14, 2021, 11:05:28 AM
the jack bypasses a little
That's because you are forcing it!  Replace the jack with a 20 ton ;) ...and then replace the bent cross arms...
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 14, 2021, 12:00:35 PM
honestly i like yours better and might add a holster tube to mine.  dont know why i didnt think of that. 

well actually yes i do.  i built the thing at SW and the dake press there had a huge knob on it but my own is about the same chicom rinky dink as yours.  

i also have a longer one with threaded posts guides and die block springs for up to 12" or so bends.  here i am exploding the thing right next to 1 day old neighbor siding on a 3/16" thick 12 inch long bend for tractor fenders.  i had the camera down low but was standing upright and did not see it leaning over as the weeny guide rods bent.  note my legendary calm under fire.  :D

home made pressbrake explosion DIY - YouTube (https://youtu.be/g1FF_2IbPjk)

a pile of people have cloned it and even sell it.  when i made that i couldnt find anything like it. 


i also have a sheetmetal type hand bender that goes in a truck receiver, and a 1" tube bender that will do a 180 around a soda can, in a bumper receiver.  thats probably 20 years old now.

Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 14, 2021, 12:06:52 PM
shoot i hafta eat some crow.  the metal school online channel did one 3 yrs before me.  i guess im one of the copy cats too.. never saw it before. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on September 14, 2021, 12:29:18 PM
Mike, thats funny. I know that sound all to well. That is why you never stand in the crash path.

the base for mine started out as 1/4" angle legs up with the notched channel on the ends. after the first 3/8" piece I bent I bent the angle all up. so the next version was the same base but I added some 1.25" x 2" solid to both edges of the angle. full welded it. Has not been an issue since.

I did just get an idea about adding more vertical pieces to support the die better since I have had plenty of times that 1/2" x 4" die still bends enough that the bend is not consistent across.

I do also have designs in my head for a new press. like to be able to form 3' wide. The crappy little HF press works pretty good though so until I have extra time and materials I am not in a hurry to change it up. Plus I do not have any current projects going that need to bend sheet metal for. Next mill build I will though.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on September 14, 2021, 12:31:12 PM
the jack bypasses a little
That's because you are forcing it!  Replace the jack with a 20 ton ;) ...and then replace the bent cross arms...
Yup! :)

Or, build a new 36" press with 50 ton ram and don't spare anything :) be great to be able to bend a 36" wide piece of 1/4" plate. Still doubt I can do that with only 50 ton.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Iwawoodwork on September 14, 2021, 12:45:27 PM
I purchased a press  from a small one man fab shop that was closing, he had made it from manufactured home I beam frame rails with a 20 ton jack. works good but is about 24" wide, similar to the HF press only bigger, I think if a person doubled the uprights and cross pieces it could be widened to 36" with a larger jack. Mine has not bent yet with the 20 ton.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on September 14, 2021, 01:23:51 PM
I thought about reinforcing this one, but its cheap enough that by the time I get it solid enough I can do what I want I would be better off starting fresh.

I also like the idea of a lever style press like shown here lever style press (https://www.plasmaspider.com/viewtopic.php?t=20017#p116178)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Resonator on September 14, 2021, 01:32:12 PM
Quote
I know that sound all to well.
The steel will talk to you. It's like in the show about heavy tow trucks pulling out wrecks in the mountains western Canada in winter. The driver new the sound of a tight winch cable under load, and a cable that was ready to break and could get you seriously hurt or worse.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: HemlockKing on September 14, 2021, 02:12:25 PM
Only oppsie I had with a press was pressing a bearing off a pinion gear and when it finally went, ball bearings all over the shop! Always did have a hesitation after that when using a press. Also was the time I was using a ironworker(mild steel punch) and swapped the punch out but not the die, and sent the punch down through the die hole that was now 1/32 too small, forged hardened steel, not good, or exploded and sent a piece into the ceiling of the shop. Would of went right through me like a bullet probably 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on September 14, 2021, 02:32:52 PM
yup, ball bearing = bullets, hardened steel shattering = shrapnel!!!

Both typically = high probability of death and damage.

I love working with steel :)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 14, 2021, 02:47:49 PM
I was up to no good in the dark at the first machine shop i worked at when all 3 lathe jaws went flying.  One in the wall, one in the ceiling and one past my face.  Maybe 14 yrs old
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Resonator on September 14, 2021, 03:09:22 PM
Many years ago when I was in high school, a kid in shop class a year ahead of me tried turning a 3' diameter wood disc on a lathe. He got a tough lesson of how slow rpm can still mean fast feet per minute when spinning large objects. :o
Lets just say when the wood exploded he had many bruises and walked away funny.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on September 14, 2021, 03:41:21 PM
here is another one of my projects. I had a friend want me to build him a ditching bucket for his 3.5 ton excavator. I needed a way to roll steel to the desired shape. So I made this plateroll.


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/45059/IMAG0669.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1631648230)


Found it also works with shapes. Not as nice as plate but still worked well for making some skiis for something.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/45059/IMAG0674.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1631648232)


This was my first bend with it. I ended up using the test piece for the crank

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/45059/IMAG0670.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1631648233)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 14, 2021, 08:25:02 PM
Love it!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: 21incher on September 14, 2021, 10:29:55 PM
When I bought  an old Bridgeport years ago this was my first project to learn how to use it. I used old scrap laying around. I had to put a sharp bend in a bunch of .06 brackets and this did the job using air logic to run a 12 ton jack. I learned a lot about machining by the time it was done and made good money off the custom brackets I made with it.

Home built 12 ton press brake - YouTube (https://youtu.be/WSIPn4JZjhQ)

I bought a 24 inch one for my 20 ton press and that will only bend about  a foot of 1/4 inch crs or 2 inches of 1/2. Sure takes a lot of force to bend steel.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 14, 2021, 11:25:13 PM
Wow that one takes the cake!
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on September 15, 2021, 05:52:01 PM
well I am just going to go back to my little hillbilly shop and play with my little toys... :)

21 that is pretty sweet. Very nice work as always. I really like the air logic idea. so much better than having to keep pumping.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: 21incher on September 15, 2021, 06:48:39 PM
well I am just going to go back to my little hillbilly shop and play with my little toys... :)

21 that is pretty sweet. Very nice work as always. I really like the air logic idea. so much better than having to keep pumping.
Thanks. We have to have something to keep us out of our wives hair ;D. Using the cylinder also let me control the final bend angle very consistently with the pressure regulator. Actually it's not all air logic because the switches reverse the cylinder solenoid. Those jacks really require many pumps and this worked but now there are pneumatic operated jacks that could have saved me a lot of time back then. The dies are removable and I started making others for things like belling out a 1 inch hole but soon lost interest as other projects popped up.

Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mudfarmer on September 17, 2021, 10:37:29 AM
When you are working on rusty junk (what's new?) and the wire wheel on angle grinder says "That's it! I've had enough! YOU be the porcupine for a while!"


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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 17, 2021, 11:12:27 AM
i know ive been grinding long enough when my sweatshirt lights on fire at the belly button. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: HemlockKing on September 17, 2021, 11:37:17 AM
Using a grinder is some of the dirtiest work , that grinder dust gets everywhere, makes me nauseous just thinking about breathing that stuff in, even with a dust mask. Should of used respirator really
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mudfarmer on September 17, 2021, 01:49:51 PM
Moving dump body from one rusty beater to another and trying to eliminate some of the "rusty" and "beater".. A fool's errand at best, which makes me feel right at home  ;D

HK the clean steel dust tastes so much better in the back of your throat after a full day than rust. I am not the safest, bunch of ppe but often don't bother or remember while doing this kind of shop (outside in dirt) work. Ear plugs safety glasses and or face shield about it. Have been trying and sometimes succeeding to at least use a bandana. Some kind of dumb subconscious rebellion after 12hr shifts w/ respirator. At least this old shop jacket doesn't catch fire easy or the job would never get done.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Jkauffman on September 17, 2021, 03:35:49 PM
Hey just thought Iíd post a follow up about my dozer.I found a company to reline my brake bands for 300 each (Ceco friction products) and also replaced the fiber discs in the steering clutches for 250 each (from Kent Baugh equipment)Just thought Iíd let yíall know in case somebody wants to know where to get parts for a small komatsu dozer 8)
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: beenthere on September 17, 2021, 04:10:54 PM
Both local to you?  Or have to send them out?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: HemlockKing on September 17, 2021, 04:52:44 PM
Moving dump body from one rusty beater to another and trying to eliminate some of the "rusty" and "beater".. A fool's errand at best, which makes me feel right at home  ;D

HK the clean steel dust tastes so much better in the back of your throat after a full day than rust. I am not the safest, bunch of ppe but often don't bother or remember while doing this kind of shop (outside in dirt) work. Ear plugs safety glasses and or face shield about it. Have been trying and sometimes succeeding to at least use a bandana. Some kind of dumb subconscious rebellion after 12hr shifts w/ respirator. At least this old shop jacket doesn't catch fire easy or the job would never get done.
For the rusty frames on trucks I use POR15, seriously give it a google, stuff is wicked. Wire brush off the loose stuff and then slap the stuff on with a brush, take a hammer
To it after dry wonít chip it. It is not UV stable so thatís why I only use it on underbody a etc, you could clear coat though. It actually works best on rusty stuff as it bonds and sticks to it, neutralizes the rust, hence POR- paint on rust. Pricey though.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Jkauffman on September 17, 2021, 07:50:13 PM
Both local to you?  Or have to send them out?
Shipped brake bands but did clutches myself just ordered new fiber discs as the steel plates where still good.Saved some money as komatsu wanted like 2500 per side and Iím done for about 1200 for both
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Roundhouse on September 17, 2021, 10:00:56 PM
I figured I'd add a follow-up to the forklift floor project. Last weekend I was back at the forklift to finish removing the blown hose. With the machine still down I wrapped up the floor repaint. The forward portion of the floor needed freshening up to match the removable pan. I made sure to take a before picture showing the starting dirt, rust and grime. 

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/42799/770floordirt_lot224_091221.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1631926608)


On the plus side it is a small area so scraping out the dirt, wiping the grease, and wire brushing the floor didn't take all day to yield a nice result.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/42799/770floorscrape_lot224_091221.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1631926748)


Once it was good enough it was time for a coat of primer.

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By afternoon I had put down a nice thick coat of yellow using up the rest of my "custom mix" paint. The following day I added the pieces I redid at home and put it all together.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/42799/770floordone_lot224_091321.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1631927081)


It may seem a little silly to put this sort of effort into the floor of an old piece of equipment. Overall the paint on the forklift is in really good original shape (I suspect it has always been inside/shedded). The lion's share of the wear was found inside the cab. As a machine I intend to keep for a long time I want to be able to climb in and feel good about it, if there's dirt on the floor it'll be my dirt. It doesn't help to have hesitation when the wallet has to be handy to keep the machine running. The hose I removed (connects the pump with the hydrostatic drive) set me back $148 when I had a new one made up this week. I've got a lot of work in mind for the Owatonna in the coming years.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/42799/770cab_lot224_091321.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1631927228)


I also repainted the black brackets seen here that hold the floor plan in place.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 17, 2021, 10:24:47 PM
buddy we wouldnt be in the shape we're in if everyone took care of their junk like you do. theres unknown costs to this throwaway society we've created.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Roundhouse on September 17, 2021, 11:15:35 PM
Thanks Mike. When the crowd zigs it's time to zag. There's deals to be had for the patient and I hope I've found one here. I'm working on getting into a self-perpetuating cycle with this machine, I add a little value to it, in turn I see it as more valuable, then it is worth making a few more improvements, and it becomes more valuable, worth maintaining etc. I will need to love it and what it's capable of when it's time to start putting tires on it.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 30, 2021, 12:20:52 AM

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Mini telescoping LED light tower on the quad 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: HemlockKing on September 30, 2021, 06:01:40 AM
 Got those same leds on my quad, talk about lighting up the night, you can even see the insects flying around 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: barbender on September 30, 2021, 08:09:55 AM
I hate most everything from China, except for those cheap LEDs. Man those things are awesome! The Ponsse cut to length machines have always been well lit, they used to use halogen bulbs. H7 are they? I can't remember. You had about 10 lights on the machine, and you were always replacing bulbs. Now they are equipped with LEDs, and they really light up the night👍🏻👍🏻 My buddy had an older Ponsse harvester with halogen lights, he retrofitted it with those Amazon LEDs (Ponsse was getting over $200 a light for theirs) they've held up well and he probably did the whole machine for less than $100.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on September 30, 2021, 08:14:57 AM
Those ones pictured are $6 each shipped when you buy a 6pack.  Ebay.


Trying to extend the wintertime chore window and get the quad rigged up for a fencing machine around all this tsi jive.  Its gonna get a few more.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Dom on September 30, 2021, 09:26:05 AM
Nice, I installed a set on the tractor ROPS.  I had nice NBB Xenon work lights, but they need so much juice from the electrical system they were not worth the effort. 

LED all the way now! Cheap, durable and bright. Can't go wrong.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on September 30, 2021, 09:38:19 AM
Make great house floodlights to.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: 21incher on September 30, 2021, 11:44:32 PM
Good idea Mike. I use them as tool lights also with an old power brick. You can get them on Amazon for about 4 bucks each if you catch a deal also. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on October 01, 2021, 12:41:16 AM
Whats a power brick?
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Walnut Beast on October 01, 2021, 12:51:43 AM
I hate most everything from China, except for those cheap LEDs. Man those things are awesome! The Ponsse cut to length machines have always been well lit, they used to use halogen bulbs. H7 are they? I can't remember. You had about 10 lights on the machine, and you were always replacing bulbs. Now they are equipped with LEDs, and they really light up the night👍🏻👍🏻 My buddy had an older Ponsse harvester with halogen lights, he retrofitted it with those Amazon LEDs (Ponsse was getting over $200 a light for theirs) they've held up well and he probably did the whole machine for less than $100.
If you want the best and made in the USA. https://www.rigidindustries.com/why-rigid (https://www.rigidindustries.com/why-rigid). 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Ianab on October 01, 2021, 03:20:13 AM
The actual LEDs will be made in China, but Rigid will be insisting on (and paying for) better QC and materials. 

Problem with Chinese gear is that's it's often made by the lowest bidder. That means cutting corners on materials and QC. Suspiciously cheap Chinese gear? It will be dodgy every time.  They can build decent gear now, but it's not stupidly cheap to do that. 

A $10 Chinese LED lamp is probably crap. A $50 one might be as good as a $100 Western one, but of course buyer beware. It could be a $10 one that someone is charging $50 for.  :(
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Gary_C on October 01, 2021, 05:15:34 AM
About two years ago I retrofitted my forwarder from halogen to LED and had two problems. The working lights on the side have to be flood lights to light up all the area on both sides and the back of the machine. I looked for and bought only flood lights but when I installed them they were narrow angle beam lights. I went back to Amazon and checked the specs and ratings and found other complaints about the lights not being flood lights. I entered a complaint and the seller sent me a new set of ďfloodĒ lights but the replacements are not much better. They are very bright but still too focused.

The other problem was the mounting. The manufacturers are insistent on base down mounting and on a forwarder the lights are mounted under an overhang on the roof of the machine for protection. So I had to make custom brackets for each light. 

It was also a pain to make up connectors. Those Deutsch connectors are sure expensive. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: HemlockKing on October 01, 2021, 06:07:32 AM
The actual LEDs will be made in China, but Rigid will be insisting on (and paying for) better QC and materials.

Problem with Chinese gear is that's it's often made by the lowest bidder. That means cutting corners on materials and QC. Suspiciously cheap Chinese gear? It will be dodgy every time.  They can build decent gear now, but it's not stupidly cheap to do that.

A $10 Chinese LED lamp is probably crap. A $50 one might be as good as a $100 Western one, but of course buyer beware. It could be a $10 one that someone is charging $50 for.  :(
Old machines with play in them, sloppy over used dies, probably children working the equipment 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Ianab on October 01, 2021, 06:22:18 AM
Old machines with play in them, sloppy over used dies, probably children working the equipment 


That's the "lowest bidder". Buy from them and you are sure to get crap. 

But a majority of Electronics, or at least some components now comes out of China.  Like I said, Cheap and Chinese is still going to be crap. Same as cheap crap from any other place. They CAN manufacture decent stuff, but that costs $$. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: HemlockKing on October 01, 2021, 06:25:28 AM
Old machines with play in them, sloppy over used dies, probably children working the equipment


That's the "lowest bidder". Buy from them and you are sure to get crap.

But a majority of Electronics, or at least some components now comes out of China.  Like I said, Cheap and Chinese is still going to be crap. Same as cheap crap from any other place. They CAN manufacture decent stuff, but that costs $$.
Yeah I suppose they should be able to manufacture decent stuff, after all the designs they have stolen, and we buy right back
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on October 01, 2021, 08:45:15 AM
They all advertise as flood lights but are pretty much all spotlights unfortunately. 

IMO the biggest benefit is low current.  Dodge rams were known to melt the headlight switch once you hook up an incandescent trailer.  LEDs solve it and are way brighter
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: 21incher on October 01, 2021, 08:45:34 AM
Whats a power brick?
Those black remote  power supplies that look like a small brick and are used on things like PCs and monitors.  Just make sure they are not ac output.  These lights will run on 12 to 36 volts. Make amazing  light for things like router tables when mounted  on a old microphone arm. I also have one I made an adapter  to use a dewalt 20 volt battery with a power wheels adapter from Amazon that is like a really  bright flashlight for 12 bucks.  The Chinese have really gotten  these down with amazing  quality and reliability. From my experience it's  not worth  spending  extra on the US made LEDs. If something works  properly and is in my budget I don't  care where  it comes from anymore. I used to push buy American  but have had too many problems  with American  quality  lately.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on October 01, 2021, 09:15:21 AM
if you read the main page on that rigid site it says "designed and engineered in the US". Says nothing about where they were made. I guarantee they were made in china.

As many others have said, china is very capable of high quality goods. The reason there are so many low quality goods coming from there is they are built to a price point that their customers have set. 

for example cheap americans wanting to make more money says you need to build this for $5. So you get a $5 product. a different company says I want you to make the same thing but the price point is $20. You will get a much better product from china with a higher price point.

Just like the lumber industry. Typically the more money, the better the product.

Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: Crusarius on October 01, 2021, 09:20:03 AM
so I have learned from all the LED's I have bought for house flood lights that you are correct, most LED bars are not a very wide flood. The fix for this is instead of 1 20" bar you get 3 4" bars. and angle them. If I remember correctly 3 bars will be just a hair less power draw than 1 20". and will get you much better spread.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: 21incher on October 01, 2021, 09:33:58 AM
What  I have been seeing  lately things like  these LEDs that look similar from different companies  actually are the same. There are highly automated  lines and they all have the same components.  The Chinese  ones come in plain cardboard  boxes that cost pennies with  no directions. The US ones get put in a $5.00 fancy box with  instructions.  The only  thing designed  in America  is the box and instructions. It used to be worth  the extra  for support  but that's not needed  anymore.  You have a problem  and another  will be at your  door tomorrow with most sellers. Higher  end products will have differences but in this low end market most of the time the only difference  is the Logo, box, and a CEO making 10 million  a year.
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on October 01, 2021, 09:55:03 AM
im gonna tell you right now for an absolute fact, the chinese communist party directs and subsidizes the planned cloning and targetting of identical western manufactured popular goods on purpose., i was a manufacturer and they were the biggest threat.  it was a patent attorney who i went to for a pattent that said dont bother, china will copy this and america wont do a thing.  make it as cheap as you can for as long as you can.

i think the first time i saw this was moroso oil pan clones for 1/5th the price.  then it was quaife limited slip diffs, OBX made that. i dont have to tell you about honda small engines or fluke meters or chainsaw parts.  i can buy a new saw part from china shipped for half of a used one from kentucky and i really do try to buy used locally then american nationally first if it is at all competitive. the problem is there is no way to compete with a targeted subsidy.  i have a 50w solar panel and charge regulator that was $10 shipped and it was in $9 of box and bubbles, with a 3 identical, unidentified hand tigged and polished aluminum cold air intake tubes with brackets and sensor mounts. i did not order these.  if i had to build them we are talking $300 each.  another too good to be true, was the pole pruner head that i made my old weedwacker into a pruner with.  it was the gear drive, the oil pump, a bar and a chain for $20 shipped.  

what these items all have in common is they are coming out of unnamed little distribution centers in metro NJ.  its china flooding america with really good free stuff so we cant make our livings making said stuff.  

i was a manufacturer and saw that there was nothing they cant make cheaper. not simple metalwork, nor advanced technology so i got out.  im switching to agriculture just to be sure they cant spike that punch too.  
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: HemlockKing on October 01, 2021, 11:41:51 AM
China donít care about dollars, theyíre playing our money game short term to accumulate power, make us $$offers we canít refuse and infiltrate our governments, especially us Canada, we sit on a good pot of resources and here we are selling them our land to mine minerals, make goods from stolen designs, then ship/sell it back to us lol also robbing our own of jobs. Greedy merchants, they want money, China will give them, once all the resources are taken up by China money wonít matter much will it? 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on October 01, 2021, 01:06:18 PM
long story but im not gonna put it here.  not because i care about staying on topic.  i dont want to educate them on how to better deceive.  they scour the interwebs measuring world opinion and response.  no need for moles to get feedback anymore when you are the leading manufacturer of electronic devices and surveillance systems with backdoor software and factory passwords that the consumer seldom changes.  those foscams and reolinks are cheap for a reason. 
Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: 21incher on October 01, 2021, 06:48:25 PM
Here is how I use them as machine lights. Buy a $12.00 microphone arm and just mod the adapter to take a screw. This is the fully auto router table I built using one and it is the perfect amount of light. This is a flood pattern mounted to the moving fence. The 2 pin led connectors make wiring simple and keep things removable.

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Title: Re: Daily Fabrication Thread
Post by: mike_belben on October 01, 2021, 09:48:15 PM
Awesome!