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wood splitter
« on: December 20, 2012, 08:37:51 PM »
Thinking about buying a hydraulic firewood splitter. Any information would be appreciated.

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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2012, 08:41:11 PM »
One with a motor? Not one for a tractor? The only thing i would look for is that it's spilts vertical too. Comes in handy when I get the big ones. I have a 6hp B and S. Suppose to have 27 ton.
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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2012, 09:38:03 PM »
If I were in the market, I'd go for the LogRite splitter for some enjoyable splitting.
http://www.logrite.com/store/Category/Firewood-Machines

Although popular, I don't care for the convertible horizontal/vertical ones as I find them too cumbersome to work around. Wheels etc are in the way of my feet for comfortable horizontal splitting. For large pieces, out comes the chainsaw to quickly break them down or lift them to the splitter in the FEL bucket.
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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2012, 10:26:45 PM »
I am a fan of the verticle option ones, mainly for the big ones! and I have chain sawed them down but man, a killer for me,  I just pull up a log to sit on, line up a group, roll em up and let her split. The horizontal one are nice for mid size logs, just allot of bending over for me.  I like the log to sit on. 27 ton is adequate for everything I have split.
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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2012, 06:51:42 AM »
I need to take a picture of my large pieces. I'm only guessing at the cord,but I think 4-5 would not be too far off.
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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2012, 07:06:00 AM »
A vertical option is nice if you get into some large stuff .Every so often we get some huge oak like 4 feet across .You certainly can't pick it up by hand but you can get it under a vertical splitter to carve it down .

3 feet pieces you can roll by hand but 4 footers it either takes several people or one skid loader .A lot of people avoid large rounds but they contain a lot of wood in each piece .Doesn't take very many to make a cord  .

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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2012, 07:26:08 AM »
I opted for one with a log lifter. 500lbs of lift. That will get the big ones onto the beam, and I keep working at waist level.

The timberwolf has a splitter table which is VERY nice. When working with larger rounds, you have to resplit nearly every piece, sometimes twice. With a standard splitter it all goes to ground after splitting, so you handle each piece 2-3 times.

If your splitter has the power, a 4-way wedge makes a big time difference on larger logs.

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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2012, 08:33:31 AM »
I agree with the guys here that say,both horizontal and vertical,type splitters,because when in the Hor.position it is higher off the ground-at the end of the day,your back will thank you.....albert 
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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2012, 09:09:14 AM »
I stay away from the vertical ones.  I find the I have to watch my feet and handle the wood once more.  With my horizontal I simply split  it pushes the wood into a pile and asthe pile grows at some point the split wood pushes on the pile and pushes the splitter back.  That way I end up with a pile of wood about 24 feet in length adjacent to my long wood, and I do not have to carry my rounds as far.  I just astart at one end and split till I reach the end of my pile of rounds.  I then either pile the splits in the shed or spin the spilter moving it closer to the my rounds and split till I reach then end agian.  My back and available space limits my plitting to two rows. ;D :christmas:

When i helped a freind split with his H/V splitter we had to toss the splits out of the was or they built up at your feet.  Sorry but I handle wood too much now. 

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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2012, 10:32:48 AM »
No doubt a Timber Wolf brand is a nice splitter but it should be for what it costs .

If you are only splitting stuff about 12 inchs in diameter a horizontal would work well .You get up to about two feet and see how that works out for the poor old back .

Everybody has their favorite methods though so it's just what suites you best .I try to split and stack as I go but the last go around because my trimmer bud had my splitter I've got a pretty fair amount piled up. I think around 8 cords in 3-4 piles .May get to it this winter ,may just sit by the fire and drink beer . I'm not retired quite yet but I figure I'd kinda ease into to it so the shock didn't overload my system . ;)

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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2012, 12:52:39 PM »
The wife surprised me 5 years ago for Christmas with a 27 ton 6.5 h.p.Troy Bilt from Lowes.  I believe it was around $1200, have never had a problem with it, have never met a log it wouldn't go through.  It's the only splitter I've ever used so I have nothing to compare it to and have been happy with it so far.  Happy Holidays to all.

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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2012, 04:07:56 PM »
Could just build your own; this is not quite as economical to run as when I built it in the mid-'70s, but the old 4020s that I mount it on only take a sip of diesel every-once-in-a-while.  I back a trailer.....barely.....up under the rear of the splitter and the wood never hits the ground after being split.  The hoist will pick up ANYTHING I want to split.  Picture is of my little brother running the thing a few years ago...........

 

 

 

 

 

 
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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2012, 04:14:56 PM »
Well one thing about it that 4020 certainly has enough power for the job .

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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2012, 09:27:22 PM »
I also have a tractor mounted hydraulic splitter, and I really don't like it.  One of the best parts about having a tractor, is being able to load up the front end loader with rounds, and park them right at waist height to easily maneuver on the splitter, and I can't do that with my splitter. 
However, at $200 dollars for it used, I can't beat the price.  If I had my way, I'd have a 4 way wedge Split-Fire self contained model. 
I've never wished for the vertical ability of some, but then again I've never used one so I can't say that I wouldn't like that option if I had it. 

If your not the type that wants top of the line, name brand equipment, and just wants a hydraulic splitter to split some small and medium sized rounds, then there are many many options to choose from.  Pretty much all of them will be a welcome upgrade from the hand held maul.  :)

 

  

  

 
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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2012, 09:46:13 PM »
Years ago I built one on the back of the tractor,but that was to split 4' pieces. The older I get, the heavier the wood gets,so I only split 18" to 20" long now.
 
 

  

 
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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2012, 09:56:29 PM »
unhooker,he knows split wood.  ;D
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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2012, 08:47:50 AM »
This is why I prefer a splitter that can split vertical,note yardstick and hat for size.These are all cut offs from sawlogs to make better saw logs. Mostly white pine with some hemlock too.

 

 

I myself would not want to load each one of these pieces up on my splitter. I would have to build a good size table on each side to catch the pieces that would try to fall off and fall on me.  ;D  Probaly the wood splitter would tip over if only one of the halves stayed on one side.   :o  Most of the time I kinda quarter the big ones and put the splitter back to horizontal mode and split them that way. I just can't take bent over.
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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2013, 12:52:56 PM »
I heat a 620 sq cabin addition with a small wood stove.  Small being that the logs must be shorter than 14".
I don't have the big logs that others are showing.  Most of my logs have only a 12" diameter.
Therefore, my splitting is much different than some of the larger operations shown.
I use a 15 ton RD dual-action splitter.
It has worked very well for me.  It is only a horizontal splitter. 
The dual action allows me to quickly split a log in one direction, and split the next piece on the ram's return.
It has a table on each side of the ram which adds efficiency of effort.
It has split every log I've given it, but occasionally have to hit it the 2nd time if the piece is knotted at both ends (remember, I only have smaller-sized logs).
If it is knotted at only one end, that is the end I put against the ram, so it takes care of it right away.
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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2013, 01:09:51 PM »
Welcome to the Forestry Forum

Enjoyed your story about splitting. The dual splitter is a nice feature.

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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2013, 06:13:03 PM »
Keith B.welcome to the forum.I've looked at some kind of splitter like that. A real nice feature. You said it was a 15 ton RD splitter. Never heard of that kind. When I first started to use mine,I don't think I split much any wood that I could not easily pick up. A few years later I tired to burn some softwood in the basement stove,which did not work out.Than a few more years later I brought a OWB. Now I had a way to burn the softwood. Probably I might of brought a different splitter,if I knew I was going to buy an OWB and try to split big wood.
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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2013, 12:00:59 AM »
I bought mine from Home Depot and am quite impressed. It went for about a grand and is either horizontal or vertical. I use it in the vertical position. I push it up to a pile of rounds, sit on one and flip the wood into the truck as I split it. It paid for itself in no time and gives me something to do.

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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2013, 08:03:58 AM »
I talk about big wood but a 4 ft round or even a 3 foot is beyond anything I handle. All well and good to get it onto the horizontal splitter somehow but how would you handle the pieces coming out without extra help. For wood that size a vertical or a clam would be a must. Little 200 lb pieces like I sometimes get are bad enough but they are certainly not the norm for most piles. Mine is horizontal only and should be higher for my back but it works well for what it is. My main advice is given after you answer a question about finances. If the price of a good combination splitter doesn't hurt you then pick one that you can get serviced. It should be a comfortable height when horizontal but most are. If money is a problem, look used. If money is a real problem look used and cheap and don't worry about anything else. Any splitter is better than none and once you learn the limitations of something it doesn't tend to bother you.
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« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2013, 08:06:26 AM »
It's all about the money.  ;D  Ain't that the truth.
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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2013, 08:46:05 AM »
Well one thing about an outside burner is they'll fire on anything that will fit through the door .Good oak,old railroad ties ,rubber boots ,the  cat that peed on the carpet and the carpet as well .Ashes to ashes .

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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2013, 11:01:15 AM »
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Mine is horizontal only and should be higher for my back but it works well for what it is

I've a horizontal, on wheels. I just run it up on a couple steel car ramps to get a better height for my back. That was the one thing I like about the convertible (vert/horiz) splitters but the ramps work well (along with an extended third wheel under the hitch end).
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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2013, 02:52:18 PM »
     I have an old "Brave" 20 ton horizontal. never put a block up it wouldn't lick. The great big uns I made a ramp out of splits and rolled them on.

     That being said, I wish I had a Timberwolf type with a loader and 4 or 6 way wedge. Even more, I'd like to have a blockbuster firewood processor ;)

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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2013, 03:08:44 PM »
If I get an urge to change to anything, it would be the Logrite splitter.

It covers a wide range of needs for splitting wood.

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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2013, 06:11:37 PM »
Looks like a very well made and well-engineered splitter.How much does it cost?
I bought a Timberwolf TW-5FC about 10 years ago with the optional log lifter-at the time about $6500. I now only use it for the big uglies I don't put through the wood processor. The splitters that can change from horizontal to vertical are fine if you are physically able to work on your knees or in a crouching position-I'm not. If you're young and limber,go for it. As a young man I split hundreds of cords with a Sotz Monster Maul but those days are long gone!
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« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2013, 06:35:01 PM »
I have a an American wood splitter (think they are made in Syracuse area), honda engine and a hydraulic lift to save my back, runs like a top, no complaints, did about 10 cords last year. They have a big display at Booonville every yeary, nice folks
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« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2013, 07:21:51 PM »
I have the 22ton northern tool Note:Please read the Forestry Forum's postion on this company horizontal/vertical on wheels 160cc.  The 4 way wedge works well on softwood or easy to split wood but most of the time I use the single wedge on hardwood. I think it was about $1300 and worth the price.  I have cut round 42 inch ash in vertical, but it is a workout rolling them into place.  Normally ash is easy but the old stuff can be tough.  Be sure to use gas preservative (seafoam or marine stabil) in those small engines.

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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2013, 10:18:45 AM »
If I get an urge to change to anything, it would be the Logrite splitter.

It covers a wide range of needs for splitting wood.



Yes, those are a well thought-out design.  They are built around a SuperSplit splitter, with a couple of modifications.  I think they fill a great niche between someone whose needs have outgrown a stand-alone splitter, but who can't justify a full-blown firewood processor.  If I had need for more than just my personal use, I'd consider one of these (or if I could convince those in my landowner co-op to pitch in on one).
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« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2013, 07:34:53 AM »
I have the 22ton northern tool Note:Please read the Forestry Forum's postion on this company Note:Please read the Forestry Forum's postion on this company Note:Please read the Forestry Forum's postion on this company horizontal/vertical on wheels 160cc.  The 4 way wedge works well on softwood or easy to split wood but most of the time I use the single wedge on hardwood. I think it was about $1300 and worth the price.  I have cut round 42 inch ash in vertical, but it is a workout rolling them into place.  Normally ash is easy but the old stuff can be tough.  Be sure to use gas preservative (seafoam or marine stabil) in those small engines.

I have the same splitter too.(northern tool Note:Please read the Forestry Forum's postion on this company Note:Please read the Forestry Forum's postion on this company )    I agree I'm happy with mine for the price
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« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2013, 08:50:10 AM »
I really like the look of the logrite equipment. The arches seem to work well, especially when compared to that other company and the splitter is inspired.( didn't want to trigger Jeff's little blurp about them but anyone who hasn't clicked on it and watched the video should, it's enlightening) I did however get a kick out of the improvised chock board on the cutting table to keep the blocks from falling on the chainsaw operators shins. I have been cutting in a log pile lately and wish that I had something to protect mine.
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« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2013, 09:09:47 AM »
I have an older Yard Machines by MTD. I don't split a lot, perhaps 1.5 to 2 cords a year. I split as much of my wood as I can by splitting maul to help keep me in shape. If a round gets sassy, I get Mr MTD out, and get sassy right back. It is Horz-Vert. I have never used it in Horizontal mode, just saying. I put her in vertical, drag up a longish round to sit on, drag up some rounds right close to split, and have at it. My splitter says it is 27 tons and has an 8 horse Briggs. The motor is a little hard to start when really cold, but starting fluid takes care of that. I like Briggs cause they are good and there are a lot of them around, so they are easy to get parts for and worked on. The only thing I do not like is I wish the motor was a little smaller. It hardly ever stalls (good) but uses a lot of gas (not so good).

If the rounds are too big to handle, I roll the splitter to it, put the splitting beam in vertical, get a chain and comealong. The chain hooks to the towing safety chains on the hitch end of the splitter, wraps around the round, then to the comealong, then the comealong back to the safety chains. Ratchet in the cable of the comealong, and the round will come up to the splitter or the splitter will come up to the round. Either one is acceptable to me.
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« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2013, 12:37:52 PM »
If a round gets "sassy" or not moveable, I just start the chainsaw and render it down quickly into movable parts.  Takes very little time, and the saw cuts about as fast along the grain as it does across the grain.
I don't fight the ugly sassy ones.
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« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2013, 02:59:14 PM »
I have a Super Split, made in Mass. It is 20 years old and still going. The is always someone there to answer the phone and it is the same man who makes the machines. I have had a few repairs, but not many.I bought it from a professional firewood cutter when it was 10 years old. Probably had split 1000 cds. or more.
 It is the same splitter as the Log Rite, just without the tables and winch.
 I'd buy another if this one ever wears out.
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« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2013, 06:44:34 PM »
Sonofman you should check the jet settings on your Briggs. It should be fairly easy on fuel. The hard to start when cold may indicate a problem as well. Have a friend who used to split with a three point on a 6 cyl JD farm tractor. Talk about gas use.
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« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2013, 07:43:17 PM »
I had thought about that, r.man, but there is one piece of info I did not post. Even after the motor warms up, I have to keep the choke at about 50% to keep it running. If I take the choke off, as I do, it starts stuttering and backfiring like it is too lean. If the choke is completely removed, it quits totally.

 I think that just with it running wide open all  the time with splitting, it uses what I think is a lot of fuel. The fuel tank holds about 2 quarts and will run it for between 35 and 40 mins of splitting. Perhaps this is not really a lot, but it seems so to me.

 I might take it to get looked at this summer when I am not using it. Thanks for the advice.
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« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2013, 07:46:53 PM »
Sounds like your carb needs a thorough cleaning. The air bleeds are clogged. You should get much better run time than that.
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« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2013, 07:53:08 PM »
Yeah, now that I think about it, something is most likely wrong. I will take it in for service this summer. Hey, it is only 15 years old and has given me no trouble. Thanks.

This is what I really like about Briggs, easy to get them worked on. My mower has a Kohler engine, a good engine, but I had carb troubles with it for a while, and it was not real easy to get it worked on.
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Re: wood splitter
« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2013, 08:56:53 PM »
Those PTO splitters really seem like over-kill to split a piece of wood. Sure they can split anything, but think of all that fuel your using to do it. A nice 6-12 hp small gas engine hydraulic splitter is hard to beat. If I made one myself I would make that for sure.

Back to the question. I would look at the "Super Split" if your thinking of buying a new splitter. Those things split fast!
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« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2013, 08:24:52 AM »
I recantly went to a local dealership and looked at the american brand splitters. Nice units but was shocked at the price of such a simple machine. I'm going to build my own soon with a small 13hp gas engine with a single stage pump. I also plan to build a hydraulic log lift on it to. I had a tw5 for many years and recantly sold it a few months ago. Now I need a splitter so I'm going to build my own for less money. May even build and sell them locally.
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« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2013, 08:49:34 AM »
Those PTO splitters really seem like over-kill to split a piece of wood. Sure they can split anything, but think of all that fuel your using to do it. A nice 6-12 hp small gas engine hydraulic splitter is hard to beat. If I made one myself I would make that for sure.


If you don't split a lot of wood the money saved in not buying and maintaining a seperate engine will buy a bunch of gas/diesel. The tractor powered splitters do work well for some people.
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« Reply #43 on: January 28, 2013, 09:28:38 AM »
... I'm going to build my own soon with a small 13hp gas engine with a single stage pump.

Why not a two-stage pump?
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« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2013, 09:31:58 AM »
Gspren, you made a good point. If you don't split a lot or don't want to spend a lot of money on a fancy hydraulic splitter then I suppose that is a good way to go. I think it would add up though, if you used it all your life.
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« Reply #45 on: January 28, 2013, 11:15:27 AM »
Two stage pumps are good but slow way down in tough wood. Single stage pumps have the same cycle time no matter what the wood is like. They also run cooler and have a longer service life.
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« Reply #46 on: January 28, 2013, 02:43:20 PM »
Looks like you did your homework :P.
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« Reply #47 on: January 28, 2013, 04:25:25 PM »
Two stage pumps are good but slow way down in tough wood. Single stage pumps have the same cycle time no matter what the wood is like. They also run cooler and have a longer service life.

Logman 81,

What are the specs on the pump you plan to use on a 13 hp motor?
What size cylinder do you plan on using?

Please recheck my math, but assuming a 4" Cylinder with a 2 " rod:

A 13 hp motor can handle a pump w/ 6.5 gpm @ 3,000 psi

The speed for the above would= 2 inches per second push--2.7 inches per second retract which is kind of slow. You could increase the flow (speed) by lowering the psi and increasing the flow but you'll loose force on the business end.

Using a 2 stage pump rated @ 22 gpm....sure it will kick down when you hit a knot etc, but overall, I think it would be more productive.

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« Reply #48 on: January 28, 2013, 04:46:32 PM »
I may have to re think it? I plan to use a 4x30x2 cylinder and a pump around 28 gpm single stage. Going to need a bigger motor more than likely. Is there a formula to use to figure out cycle times and hp requirments?
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« Reply #49 on: January 28, 2013, 05:01:29 PM »
You can go to surplus centers site. they have a tech section with calculators to help you do all the math. But, yea, for a 28gpm single stage pump, you will need a lot more motor, probably close to 40hp

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« Reply #50 on: January 28, 2013, 05:50:41 PM »
Going to have to do some re thinking on pump size.
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« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2013, 05:24:24 PM »
Finally started getting going on my spkitter this week. Picked up a 13hp honda and some wheels and tires. Next will be the hydraulic parts. Then the steel.
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« Reply #52 on: February 13, 2013, 08:08:38 PM »
I read a general rule recently and I think it said 1 hp for 1 gpm at 1500 psi. Starts to deviate with larger numbers but looks fairly good for splitters etc.
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« Reply #53 on: February 14, 2013, 10:07:37 AM »
You will stall the engine using that large of a capacity single stage pump .

If you don't want to fiddle with a bunch of formulas just google surplus center hydraulics ,they have it all figured out allready .

Most two stage pumps can be set to transfer at between 600 and 900 PSI when you need the power .If you have to buy a pump already really a two stage most times on a new pump is actually less expensive than a single stage believe it or not .

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« Reply #54 on: February 14, 2013, 01:53:33 PM »
I'm going to use a two stage pump not a single stage. 22 gpm
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« Reply #55 on: February 14, 2013, 05:53:46 PM »
My old splitter is still going strong after many a tractor trailer load of wood. I replaced the still running old briggs that's in the picture with an incredible working brand new 

  made in you know where 5 1/2 hp engine. It cost $75.00 for the motor. The rest of the splitter is a cylinder from a D6 cat, the pump is from an old single axel dump truck. It's been going now for over 40 years.
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« Reply #56 on: February 14, 2013, 06:04:13 PM »
Is that dump truck pump direct coupled to the engine or does it have a reduction ?

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« Reply #57 on: February 14, 2013, 09:30:29 PM »
Al,
  Motor has small belt pulley to large pulley on pump. Motor runs 1/4 to 1/3 throttle just above a good idle.
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« Reply #58 on: February 14, 2013, 09:49:45 PM »
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« Reply #59 on: February 14, 2013, 10:09:16 PM »
I figured as much because a pto driven dump truck pump doesn't run that high of RPMs ' .By gearing it down you've effectivley increased the power of that engine .FWIW I've seen them use low speed single stage  pumps on small tractor PTO's with good luck .

One of the first ones my dad and I built was a single stage with a chain drive low speed high lift pump from an electric high lift .We used a 3 to 1 reduction .It did okay except a knotty piece   of oak would stall the 12 HP Kohler engine if you didn't watch it .

If you played with it it would split it .Blowed black smoke when the governer kicked in and sounded about like a John Deere under  a heavy load . It was the only one we every built with a single stage pump .

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« Reply #60 on: February 15, 2013, 06:49:31 AM »
I'm also trying to figure out how to make a self centering trough and push block on it as well. Would like it to self center down to a four inch log using a H beam. Very  much like how a processor is for hands free splitting.
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« Reply #61 on: February 15, 2013, 07:49:42 AM »
Well on that a good many of the commercially built splitters use a guide which is merely a rolled section of the I beam which guides the push block or wedge whatever the case .It centers the round .That could easily be duplicated with heavy angle iron .Why a person would be concerned about splitting a 4 inch piece remains a puzzle though .

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« Reply #62 on: February 15, 2013, 08:06:24 AM »
Cookstove wood?
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« Reply #63 on: February 15, 2013, 08:22:27 AM »
Smaller than 4" ,really .

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« Reply #64 on: February 15, 2013, 09:51:17 AM »
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 I use mainly white birch to heat with but when I get my new mill home,up and running I'll be using some douglas fir slabs too.
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« Reply #65 on: February 15, 2013, 10:04:06 AM »
So is that load mill stock or firewood fodder ?

I'm totally ignorant of what gets cut for lumber in areas which are not hardwood .Seldom at  the few mills left around here would you see anything much smaller than 2 feet in diameter for lumber logs .

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« Reply #66 on: February 15, 2013, 05:58:45 PM »
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    That's a load of fire wood I bought.
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« Reply #67 on: February 15, 2013, 06:09:16 PM »
Jim, what is the camper that is just barely in your picture? No reason, just being nosy.
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« Reply #68 on: February 15, 2013, 06:18:10 PM »
Well that's another thing ,a log truck full of firewood in the rough so to speak .You just never see that around here .

If you see a trailer full of logs it's sawmill stock or heading to a local veneer yard for sale in log form .

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« Reply #69 on: February 15, 2013, 09:39:43 PM »
That loader is not one seen around here.
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« Reply #70 on: February 16, 2013, 05:46:21 PM »
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  The camper trailer is a 19 ft. Big Foot trailer made actually just down the road from where I live. They are very popular well built trailers which hold their value very well (all fiberglass) no leaks. They also make truck campers which sell very well.
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