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Loose vs stacked volume
« on: September 16, 2016, 08:17:13 AM »
Has anyone measured how loose piled wood volume relates to stacked volume?   For example a pickup or trailer load of "x" cubic feet will stack down to x face cords.

By loose volume I mean tossed to dumped randomly in a truck or trailer.

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Re: Loose vs stacked volume
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2016, 08:32:02 AM »
for 16" off conveyer i use 200cu ft for a full cord. Works out to give the customer a little extra.
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Re: Loose vs stacked volume
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2016, 08:49:16 AM »
  I've used 180cu ft for 16-18in wood, and 195cu ft for 22-24in wood.  Got the idea from this site: http://www.vermontlumber.com/cord-of-wood.php  We did a couple test runs with known stacked cords, broke them down then "through" into the trailer (conveyor...).  Everything seemed to stack out as it should.  Also did a couple runs right off the processor and then hand stacked.  The numbers seem to work out for both the customer, and me!
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Re: Loose vs stacked volume
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2016, 08:55:49 AM »
  Here's the thread I started almost eleven years ago about this that was just recently revived  :)  http://www.forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,15481.0.html
  I use 190 cubic feet for a loose standard 128 cubic foot cord and divide by three for 63.33333 cubic feet per 16" face cord.
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Re: Loose vs stacked volume
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2016, 08:58:40 AM »
Just a note, my post was for a 128cu. ft. cord of wood. 
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2016, 09:04:43 AM »
Thanks guys!   Just what I was looking for.

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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2016, 05:39:00 PM »
I asked one of my regulars to evaluate his order once stacked. He's an engineering type, so I figure he understands a tape measure and that math thing.
The stacked total should have been 512 cubic feet, and the measured was within 2 or 3 of that. I forget if it was plus or minus, but he was happy, so...

16", each at 185-87 loaded from the stockpiles with front-end loader and tine bucket.

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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2016, 09:47:37 PM »
My dump box is 12'x 8'x6', holds three full cord, cut & split at 16".
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2016, 02:31:45 PM »
185 to 190 for me. i don't like givin wood away but i HATE complaints :D
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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2016, 05:40:26 PM »
Do you guys deliver with dump trucks, dump trailers or pickup truck?   How big is an average order?   


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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2016, 07:09:40 PM »
1 ton dump truck.
Average is 2cd, but varies based on previous season's burn rate.

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Re: Loose vs stacked volume
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2016, 08:32:39 PM »
I use a 6x12 dump trailer with 30" side boards which equals 180 cubic feet.  I fill it with thrown in wood with a slight hump and everyone seems to be happy at 1 cord.  If I rank it in I can get 1.5 cords with it ranked a bit above the side boards
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Re: Loose vs stacked volume
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2016, 10:54:03 AM »
I used to haul two face cords in this loose.  I'd get three if the load was stacked 8)  It went down the road when the 550 came on board.
 

 
 
I hauled 4 loose face cords in this.  It long ago rusted out and after two frame repairs due to rust it became someone else's problem.


 
 
Five face cords in a full load on the F550.  My preferred delivery method now.


 

The 14' gooseneck dump trailer is in the background of this picture.  It's the only picture I could find of it  :-\  I haul five face cords in it too.  It's all but retired now.  Seven Michigan winters have taken a serious toll on it.  I'd rather use the 550 any way.  Easier to back up.  A replacement for this dump trailer would be a two wheel drive one ton dump. 
 

 

  I prefer a five face cord minimum but will take two if the buyer is willing to pay for it.  It takes just as much time and almost as much fuel to deliver 2 as it does five.  If some one orders 7 or 8 or 12 cords we work it out  ;)  I prefer orders that are multiples of five  ;) ;D  Serious wood burners around here usually get 10-20 cords.  I do have clients that get 25-30.  Casual weekend wood burners or those that use wood to supplement there fossil fuels usually get five cords as do people with fireplaces who burn wood because it's cool  ;D :)  I do not run a firewood service.  I've had people who want a couple face cords delivered every now and then throughout the season instead of stockpiling wood beforehand.  I won't do that.  All cords I refer to are 16" face cords or a third of a full 128 cubic foot cord.   
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Re: Loose vs stacked volume
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2016, 11:16:42 AM »
corley5,
How big is your dump trailer?  Mine is 12' by 80" and I put 2 by 10's on the top rail sides.  I was getting I pulp cord stacked to the steel sides and humped up about to the top of the 2 by 10 thrown in loose.  If I was to do it all over, I think I would get a 16' gooseneck to get 2 pulp cords in loose.  Need a bigger truck than too than my 3/4 ton diesel, or better have good brakes.

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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2016, 11:18:07 AM »
reread my last post, the word stacked should not of been in there, thrown in loose is the way it goes into my dump trailer.

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Re: Loose vs stacked volume
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2016, 02:30:11 PM »
When I order in my logs they are 16 ft long  and he measures them 4x4x8 for a cord. So now you process them to say 16 inch, there is no way this all translates into a meaning full cord. So I have educated my customers on what a cord is. 4x4x8 in log form not cut and split and shrunk, or stacked 2 times.  I sell it by the bag aprox a 1/3 of a cord and they are happy, which is what matters anyway.
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Re: Loose vs stacked volume
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2016, 02:58:29 PM »
  Trailer is 14' long by 7 something wide with 2' sides and 2' extensions.  There's a face cord in about 8"s of depth.  Struck full it holds 6 face cord but that's too much weight especially of green hard wood.  I've got paint marks around it at the five cord depth.
  I figure a 2X8X8 cord on average will process out to 2.5 face cords of firewood.  I've had them come out better but it has to be exceptionally nice straight larger sticks.
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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2016, 09:37:27 PM »
Do most of you sell green wood?  Load directly into your delivery truck/trailer, or process into a pile and load out later with equipment?

Do customers differentiate between dry wood and seasoned wood, or are they one and the same?

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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2016, 10:57:41 PM »
  99% of my wood is sold green and I make the customer aware of it.  The processor is loaded right out the pile made by the forwarder.  Some times it's loaded with the forwarder right out of the woods.
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« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2016, 11:40:26 PM »
Probably 80/20 seasoned/green. Depends on client preference.
Green goes direct to the truck, seasoned is loaded out of the stockpiles.
Seasoned is not dry, and the regulars know that. New accounts get a briefing on the relevant details.


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