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Author Topic: The Feed Crop, Grain, Forage and Soil Health Thread  (Read 8358 times)

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Re: The Feed Crop, Grain and Forage Thread
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2021, 11:28:47 PM »
Go figure.  Got mine at the scrapyard  ;D
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« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2021, 08:01:10 AM »
A silage  chopper and a wood chipper are very similar machines, if you think about it. Just one handles a much large volume of finer stemmed stuff.  Conceptually the guts aren't much different.  When you are done chopping Mike  make sure you pack and tarp the pile well so you get a good fermentation. Oxygen will spoil the batch. Wait six weeks and it's  done.  :)

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« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2021, 08:26:12 AM »
My 2 cents since this is the forage thread.  Just some pictures.

 

Yes corn in a field along the road.

 
It's been a few weeks  since I checked an ear. This stuff  is very good that ear has a diameter almost  as wide  as my phone.  Those corn plants are roughly  nine feet tall. Rains came in a timely manner. Soybeans look pretty good for the most part.  We missed very dry conditions  by  about 80 miles.



 

Got a second cutting of cool season grass put up last night.  I cut the stuff I won't late season graze...A small four acre patch left to do this evening. Then pick up the bales.  Clean up and grease the equipment  and put it away til next year.

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« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2021, 12:14:06 PM »
wow, nice work doc.

i have been reading about ensiling trying to decide what to do with the green shred.  the corn cob mash already got soaked in water overnight and a little fed out this morning. its obvious that its producing vinegars and they ate it like gangbusters.  i have to hurry up and go get a drum from a neighbor before the stover loses any more quality.. i mean not that it matters, im just playing right now to see what can be scaled up..but the stover is getting pickled like kimchee.  

this has been the best single source ive come across about the whats going on part of ensiling
Understanding the process of corn silage fermentation and starch availability | Hubbard Feeds


and yes, it only took a few minutes to determine there is a really really big industry for the machine shops when it comes to shredlage now that i know the term to look it up.  ag universities are on board and the data suggests its the best technology for high output dairy feed. makes seeded out dry bales look pretty unappealing!


i would say there is a tremendous opportunity for someone to produce a user serviceable, corn harvesting and shredding rig that runs on 35 PTO hp and can be afforded by a working class mortal.  shortages are normalized, everyone is gonna have food on the mind as less and less is available for more and more dollars. you could finish animals a lot faster on good feed year round.
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« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2021, 12:25:56 PM »
Ive got to look into this shredlage deal , Ive never heard of it. Without knowing anything about it seems like a comparable product could be made by backing the shear bar off and or taking knives out . The flail choppers the old timers used to green chop come to min as well.
Cant imagine digging that stuff out of the bunk after its piled, that stuff must bind together like crazy.

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« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2021, 01:09:31 PM »
My what big ears you have there @Nebraska  :D  :D  :D

Many pto driven, single row corn choppers used to be along fence rows in the iron pile on old farms.  Probably the last scrap metal peak claimed a lot of them.  They ran on low HP, but like anything else went out of favor given their efficiency.  If it's you and one other guy trying to get the $300-$400 / acre cash expense corn in before the weather turns do you want to chop one row at a time or 16?  

To me if you want to put up a good forage, and do so with less investment, and lower risk, then baleage of perennial grasses and legumes are the key.   
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« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2021, 02:09:31 PM »
The neighbors have a 12 row cornhead and they mount it on their silage chopper, and grind up just the ears, and call it "earlage".  They have a pile of earlage along with a pile of silage, and a lot of round bales, they grind the round bales, store it under a pole type building, also have a pile of distillers grain, go to the trench and pile on so many pounds of silage, so many earlage, so much distillers grain, and so many pounds of ground hay, mix it up in a silage truck and put it in feed line bunks.  They usually feed 1200 steers.  Me, just have a cow calf operation, and I feed bales.  The alfalfa I can unroll on winter pasture, have about 100 bales of oats baled when the grain was in milk stage, and hope to be able to unroll that on the grass.  One bale will tell if it will work.  Otherwise, brome and native grass go in bale feeders in the corral, which I leave open unless the cows need worked. Feeding on the grass creates a lot of cow patties, and that helps keep the native grass healthy.
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« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2021, 05:33:33 PM »
Its a shame how much farm equipment got scrapped, some of it still had plenty of use left for smaller operations.
I agree making baleage is probably the most efficient way for smaller operations to make high quality feed.
If nothing else it takes a bit of the weather struggle out of making higher quality hay.

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« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2021, 09:44:35 PM »
Those little choppers  are still lurking about, my dad owned half of a single row Ford unit.  I remember dad chopping forage sorghum silage when I was a little boy. I don't remember where it went.  Seems like we ran it on a 70hp propane buring Minneapolis Moline tractor.

Mike take a look at Ag bag. I have folks using it for silage/haylage, dry and wet corn storage in the field.  If I were going to mess with the green chop silage like you are, I would  try those 3 mil contractor cleanup bags fill them seal them then stack them up. (OK no really I would buy a silage kit for my round baler and wrap the bales.... its been thought about)...Since you have a back  hoe though, you could make a trench lined with plastic sheeting then fill/pack until heaped and cover with a plastic tarp and use dirt to seal the edges and old tires to weight it down as long as the O2 is shut off it should  ferment well.  The pile will shrink. Enjoy the learning.

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« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2021, 10:54:41 PM »
I pickled the corn chop fines today, literally.  Theyre in a drum with water, salt, vinegar, some yogurt and probiotic chick grit to attempt dropping PH and innoculating before yeast and mold eat it.  Will see what happens. 
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« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2021, 07:39:26 AM »
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« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2021, 07:43:50 AM »
Why do I keep hearing "Copperhead Road" playing in the background now while reading Mike's posts?  :D
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« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2021, 08:26:00 AM »
I have a neighbor who bought a bale wrapper.  Think the brand is Anderson. It has 2 rolls of plastic, and a gas engine with a belt, and the thing spins the bales and wraps them with the plastic. He gets it wrapped tight enough to seal, and can put wrap on a row of bales.  Start at the beginning, just put the bales on the rear of the wrapper and keep adding bales till the whole row is wrapped. Has a plastic cap to seal the ends.  He baled his sedan green, and when he took it out of the row it was still green.  Cows loved the stuff.  Said he would wrap for 3$ plus cost of plastic, but you have to have all the bales carried up so you can put a bale on the wrapper every 30 seconds.  Thing is fast. I looked at the bags, looks like a lot of trouble to get them put on and sealed, decided the millet and sorghum sedan feed is just not all that great, as the cows turn their noses up at it.  Baled dry. Decided to try oats for forage.
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« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2021, 08:27:15 AM »
'fraid Its gonna be a while on that trip doug. I will be sure to stop and harrass you though.
It's long overdue.  If you stay down there any longer your gonna lose your Yankee accent.

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Re: The Feed Crop, Grain and Forage Thread
« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2021, 08:40:16 AM »
I have a 3 point hitch wrapper, makes individual bales that way, uses more wrap but provides flexibility. Makes great feed. 
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« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2021, 09:19:03 AM »
'fraid Its gonna be a while on that trip doug. I will be sure to stop and harrass you though.
It's long overdue.  If you stay down there any longer your gonna lose your Yankee accent.
luckily im from the part of the state that doesnt have one.  the not boston side.
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« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2021, 09:27:56 AM »
Why do I keep hearing "Copperhead Road" playing in the background now while reading Mike's posts?  :D
its funny that ive never met anyone in the south making moonshine.  meth absolutely, seems like 1 in 3, but not shine.  my brother up north had all kinds of stills for a while.  and i coulda made a mess of them by now but its just not my jam.  i study the word every day.  


i did have a novel thought today.. why dont i just go find the itty bitty hipster micro brews and find out exactly what fancy grains they want. they can put all that local, non gmo, all natch, pesticide free organic vegan unfertilized blah blah labelling on to make it extra exclusive.  so far i can grow wheat and rye like red maple sprouts. then i could get the spent grains back for feed after theyve already paid me once. feed it to meaty things and it pays me again.
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yesterday i used some really high tech stuff - a busted kiddie pool, a yellow plastic stick with bubbles in it, a scrapped server enclosure vent door, plastic barrel and slave labor - to sort the fines from the unfines.  ran the unfines through the chipper again but it just cant reduce this stuff any more unless it dries out, which i guess will have to just be fine with me.





im on the fence about a test batch of fermenting/pickling the coarse shreds to see if pigs, deer or cows like it in winter.. or just turning it back into the compost pile.  yes, the dirt would be happy with it but i would glean no new information from that.  


theres the first mash experiment.  charts are showing that if i did it right, itll be at its best around mid february which is perfect. in terms are predigesting starches and fibers, and staying at a low and stable PH to prevent bad juju.






my thought here is that i bet i can get some free little meaty things in winter when the feed bill and heating bill is hurting someone who has to make some tough choices.  so maybe having fence and food for free little meaty things in winter is a good way to get started growing meaty things.  i will bet livestock prices go in my favor every single winter.  what are yalls thoughts on that?
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« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2021, 10:12:16 AM »
so the woodchippered corn cobs went to a different bucket.  the one that should plump up some cornish crosses for the freezer.

grabbed the mini sickle, took a few laps around the various corners of my overgrown yard and rounded up the split tomatoes, a fistfull of dock, arm full of yellow sweet clover with a bit of red clover, some giant ragweed, a good clump of ryegrass and a bundle of really fresh, lush crabgrass tops.  



tossed that all on the ground, and hit it with my push bagger mower.  next time i will dump it out and do it again.  this was matched with about an equal amount of corn stover fines on the green side.





then combined with the yellow side that really keeps birds hammering it looking for yellow flecks ..





and finally...





made 1 full pail and dumped all the same inoculant junk in there to try to get it firing with lactic and acetic acid.  plus the vinegar to give it a jumpstart in PH decline and hopefully keep the juju away.  all rainwater by the way.  chlorinated water will kill the lacto whatever strains im trying to promote.


i already know they love it.  the question is, will they be healthy and will they reach market weight in the normal time frame. and will they taste good.  ive got a little under $100 into this whole experiment including the birds and all their accessories and supplements.  a lot cheaper than sending boy to a 4 year AG program.  
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