Huge Redwood Logs in the Sea

[shades]

im new to the bourd but i'm glad jeffs looking out for us  ;)    if u got an attitude like that u cant be much to talk to. see ya bill dont come to kentucky!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
seeya guys . 8) 8) 8)

shades

[Jeff]

Like a bad penny this guy.  I was watching the news this morning, and up pops our old scam artist friend. This time he's getting international coverage. They had a video interview with him, but I can't find that on line anywhere. This guy is a real piece of work.

New York Post article.

[Kansas]

I see him trying to push all the right buttons. He doesn't trust the government or Obama. He is a patriotic American. Never mind burying him at sea was the best option.

Bet in a few months the story surfaces that he thinks he has found the body. Maybe a murky image of a bag on the bottom of the ocean.

[ARKANSAWYER]

  Well it looks like from the photo of him diving he has all the right gear for the depths he is able to work.  :D  He has a better chance finding Bin then them 24ft redwood logs. 

[Gary_C]

Watch out for that link. My AVG found an invader while I was reading it and removed it. Open at your own risk.

[beenthere]

I also made a mistake opening that link.
Lots of bad malware showing up on my computer, as I post this on our other computer waiting for the bad stuff to clean out of the other.

And it came up immediately upon opening the link.
Saw enough to realize who it was.

Malware software said the Remote user was D41D2FC1 with IP of 26.163.219.158
That doesn't mean anything to me.

[Bandmill Bandit]

I have not read the entire thread but I have a friend that is recovering sunken logs along the coast of BC and has been doing it off and on for about 30 years.

It is a result of his hobby of recreational diving explorations with his 3 sons searching for the wreaks  and "treasure troves" of logs. He only does it from early summer (after breakup starts) through fire season and as a rule only does recovery of logs in the years when the winter harvest has been a bit lean.

Normal diving to search for, identify a site and then plan a recovery is 2 seasons minimum and quite often 3 seasons. then recovery can be 2 seasons depending on a list of factors.

It is not that much more lucrative then regular logging by the time you take in all the salvage and related costs. He does make a good dollar but if it was as lucrative as many would have us believe I think this guy would do it full time. last time I helped him he puled about 60 loads of good sized logs out of the water and at the end of the project he netted about 15K more then he would have for the same volume out of an above water harvest. Took about half again as much time to get those logs loaded and landed  at the mill as it would have to do the same volume out of the bush.

i have very serious doubts on this guy and if he does prove to be real I would send my friend his contact info. If he doesn't already know about this "treasure trove of Logs" as he refers to such finds it probably doesn't exist. He has done a lot of contract exploratory/survey work south of the boarder and has directed a few log salvage operations for a few of the state forestry departments he has also raised 2 locomotives that have gone into museums and has been involved in a few air craft recovery operations.

I just gave him a call. He says there are logs of similar dimensions ALLEGED  as lost at sea along the Oregon/Cali and on north all the way up to the Queen Charlotte's but no one has ever found any them that he is aware of IF the do exist and probably because they are below 300 feet. Cost of a salvage in North Cali/ South Oregon region would quite likely cost more then the logs are worth.

He would like the guys name if i can get it for him. He thinks it is BOGUS. Just another retelling of some drunk log boom operator story from many years ago.  


   

 

[maple flats]

I have doubts that he is even the same Bill Warren who was running. He was likely someone who either happened to have the same name or someone who assumed that name.
As for him getting 44%, consider Bill Clinton, he even got elected!!!

[Jeff]

That's not why I brought this up. Really makes not much sense to comment on the topic until you read it in its entirety. We already know the guy is a kook. The link I posted that apparently had an issue was about a new story. Bill Warren is now heading an expedition to recover bin ladins body.  I saw the news story this morning and tried to post a link before I left the house.  THe redwood log story was started by this guy to try and get people to fund HIM. Forget about that part. That part of the topic is 10 years old.

Search google for bill waren and osama bin ladin

New York Post article

[RPF2509]

Well being a former redwood forester this thread immediately caught my eye.  Sunken log salvage logging occurred extensively on the Mendocino coast in Big River before the Department of fish and game put the kibosh on it.  Note that this occurred only in fresh or brackish water where river drives had happened and I have never heard of anyone salvaging in salt water.  For the size of logs Mr. Bill is talking about - only the Klamath, Smith  or the Eel would have been large enough to get them out to sea.  During the river drives, the old timers would drop the trees directly into the river if they could but 24 footers were rare even then.  During the flood of 1964, enormous quantities of old growth logs and trees were swept out to sea.  The Eel River Sawmill and Pacific lumber lost portions of their log decks to the flood and all the bridges on the Eel were damaged by the floating wood.  So the proposal has a ring of truth to it especially if the logs were in deeper,  darker water (all the water is cold here but not cold enough for shipworms).  Any logs in shallow water would have been found  by urchin divers and I never heard of that either. However salvaging deep logs in the Pacific is going to cost way more than they're worth.  Now if he had been talking excavating burls on land I'd have believed the $ he was talking about.  Thanks Jeff for looking out for us and if it was a true proposal would have made a great story

[Tom]

Outing a Scammer is a pretty good story too.   :P :D

[Dodgy Loner]

I agree. I've read this whole topic, and it was a good story indeed. I love how offended be got when he was outed ;D

[SwampDonkey]

I always laugh at this thread. As bugs would say "what a maroon, a real nincompoop"  ;D

[Jeff]

http://news.yahoo.com/video/losangelescbs2-15750780/san-diego-treasure-hunter-on-a-mission-to-find-bin-laden-s-body-buried-at-sea-25598895

[Taylortractornut]

If he needed that mush help get the 2 clowns off AxeMen that aqua log lol.

[Jeff]

Another topic in Forestry and Logging, although totally unrelated other than Timber supposedly worth millions made me think of this old topic from 23 years ago. It was kinda fun to recall. Ill bet the majority here never saw it. 

[Texas Ranger]

I just found this post and found I had found this post before and commented. (Almost a Tom).  I don't know what it is about some folks, but similar financial offers are common in the woods.  Around here, and throughout the woods, it is the "big" walnut logs worth thousands but will sell them for hundreds.  Back in the day I used to respond to locals with their deals on walnut, went to look at some.  I have seen bigger fence posts.

Anyway, in a similar vein I have been offered the chance to invest in salvaging a gold bucket of grits lost in the pioneer days somewhere in the big thicket.  ;)

[LeftFinger]

There is an Island off the coast of Nova Scotia  but you need to be a reality TV star to make any money   I don't think it has anything to do with cutting Oak trees 

[thecfarm]

Thanks for keeping me informed!!!!

I have   for sell!!!!!
These are organic   and have been in the family for many generations.
I am getting too old to take care of so many 

The small ones I can maintain and give them the proper care they deserve.
But the big ones are really wearing me down. Some are 6-8 feet across, and I find myself neglecting the best ones to take care of the smaller one.
I use to have a team of dedicated workers that would help me. But now my funds are low to for such a large undertaking of care.
Donations would really help me sleep at night and then my children would not have to work their fingers to the bone helping out an aging Father.

[SwampDonkey]

I do remember it somewhat. There have been a few conversations about sunken logs. Seems like a hard way to make a living. Maybe not, never tried it.  I like dry land too much.

[TreefarmerNN]

Well, the wood was hardly worth millions but I milled some pilings that were pulled from a steam boat wharf.  The top of the pilings where the tide moved the wood under and above water was shot.  The underwater section was somewhat bad on the outside but some useable wood in the center.  The 9-10' that was in the mud/sand was fine but tough on blades due to the embedded sand even after pressure washing them.  I don't know how old the pilings were but I probably milled them in the 1990's and the last steamboat used the wharf in the late 1930's.

I'm sad they weren't the lost logs of California, I could have been a millionaire.   

[Ianab]

Sometimes those legends aren't fiction. 

This is a 52 foot long Kauri log, dated at ~40,000 years old, and buried by some event since it fell. 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/giant-ngawha-swamp-kauri-log-dated-to-40500-years-old/PM2BHREF4JCBBRN7B6GSJN4CNA/

But if someone wants $ to mount a recovery mission, it's probably a scam.