What are you all paying for sharpening your band blades?
10 blades to WM Resharp cost $102.88 which includes shipping both ways. The cost for sharpening only is $7.00 per blade.
If I have a rejected blade that is replaced then subtract the $7.00 for sharpening and add 18.90 for a new replacement blade. I normally have one or two rejects, which are usually broken blades.
Quote from: Magicman on July 09, 2012, 09:35:15 PM
10 blades to WM Resharp cost $102.88 which includes shipping both ways. The cost for sharpening only is $7.00 per blade.
If I have a rejected blade that is replaced then subtract the $7.00 for sharpening and add 18.90 for a new replacement blade. I normally have one or two rejects, which are usually broken blades.
Magic, can you send in broken blades along with other blades to be resharpened and they will replace them?
I have had BAD blades replaced but never have sent back broken blades along with the rest.
$6 per blade.
Yup, just put the broken ones in the box with the rest. I get rid of them that way and my blade count stays the same.
a local guy here in town charges $7.50 per blade. turn around time is is less then a week if your in no hurry. can be done in a couple of days if you are in a hurry.
Quote from: Magicman on July 09, 2012, 09:42:18 PM
Yup, just put the broken ones in the box with the rest. I get rid of them that way and my blade count stays the same.
I have learned something new this evening. Tomorrow, I will go to the land fill and see if they will dig up my old blades from the last 14 months. :D
Thanks Magic
Hey David,
Next time you break a blade, double it over and break it in the middle again.
that way you might get two back in the return mail. :D :D :D
Alan
Quote from: steamsawyer on July 09, 2012, 10:38:23 PM
Hey David,
Next time you break a blade, double it over and break it in the middle again.
that way you might get two back in the return mail. :D :D :D
Alan
I can see I'm gonna need a BIGGER shipping box. :D
$13 CDN :(
MM: why are you sending in only ten, I use the flat box and send in 15.
Quote from: Magicman on July 09, 2012, 09:35:15 PM
10 blades to WM Resharp cost $102.88 which includes shipping both ways. The cost for sharpening only is $7.00 per blade.
If I have a rejected blade that is replaced then subtract the $7.00 for sharpening and add 18.90 for a new replacement blade. I normally have one or two rejects, which are usually broken blades.
Does that include cleaning and setting also?
I only sharpen for local guys and get anywhere from $6.00 to $7.50 depending on legnth and quantity. Frank C.
I have mine done locally, $5 each.
Quote from: Riggs on July 10, 2012, 08:20:44 AM
I have mine done locally, $5 each.
Does that include cleanning and setting also?
Quote from: vfauto on July 10, 2012, 08:52:47 AM
Quote from: Riggs on July 10, 2012, 08:20:44 AM
I have mine done locally, $5 each.
Does that include cleanning and setting also?
I usually clean mine as a courtesy before I take them. He sharpens and sets them. On a side note, my blades are only 144" not like the bigger ones most of these guys use. I would guess that the length figures in on cost.
I called WM today to get some sharpening done. They only do WM bands so that their sharpener has the right gullet shape. I have both WM and Norwood blades :( guess its time for a new purchase..
I do my own sharpening. I have both the old style woodmizer sharpener and a Cooks sharpener with a duel tooth setter. It takes a couple hours to run thru and set and sharpen 10 saw. A while back I was having trouble getting sharpening stones from Cooks saw, so in my searching I found a company called Diagrind in Clare Ireland. They make CBN sharpening stones that will fit most all the brand name sharpening equipment. You need to specify wet or dry sharpening. Since I have a small shop and sparks are a concern I use a woodmizer pan and pump on the Cooks sharpener to wet the wheel.
I bought a box of new saws $340 and a grinding wheel (close to $100) for the Cooks sharpener. I resharpened most of that box a dozen times. A couple were damaged beyond repair. I got about 100 sharpening out of the one stone. What I found was that the stone was very cool running and produced very nice crisp corners when viewed under magnification. I got real good run times out of all the saws.
Add in a couple hour to sharpen 10 saw for about 20 hours total. That would bring my per use cost to about $8.50 and per sharpening to $5.00 if I got paid to sharpen saws, but since I don't that brings it down to $1.00 per sharpening.
Now I am using the CBN wheels on both sharpeners with excellent results. I cut close to 3,000 bft of Oak yesterday using one saw and it was not showing any signs of being ready to change.
These wheels have helped my bottom line.
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If you sharpen your own blades get one of those CBN wheels. You won't be disappointed. Don't ask how I know.
Quote from: vfauto on July 10, 2012, 08:08:45 AM
Quote from: Magicman on July 09, 2012, 09:35:15 PM
10 blades to WM Resharp cost $102.88 which includes shipping both ways. The cost for sharpening only is $7.00 per blade.
Does that include cleaning and setting also?
Yes, that is the total cost. MM
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on July 10, 2012, 07:54:42 AM
MM: why are you sending in only ten, I use the flat box and send in 15.
DanG if I know. My blades came in flat boxes of 10 each. I sent them to Resharp in that flat box and they came back in a cube.
I am OK with the cubes, especially since I do not have any flat boxes anyway. Also, my storage is better suited for cubes.
Quote from: Magicman on July 10, 2012, 08:26:37 PM
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on July 10, 2012, 07:54:42 AM
MM: why are you sending in only ten, I use the flat box and send in 15.
DanG if I know. My blades came in flat boxes of 10 each. I sent them to Resharp in that flat box and they came back in a cube.
I am OK with the cubes, especially since I do not have any flat boxes anyway. Also, my storage is better suited for cubes.
I wish my new blades came in a cube, but I'll take the flat box. I think the flat box is easier for FED-EX.
10 in a flat box. That's probably because of the blade your getting.
I get 15 in my flat box. But that's probably because of the 1 1/4" blade that I'm getting.
I send out in a flat and they come back in a flat. But I carry them to job sites in a cube, sometimes both.
Jim Rogers
??? I don't know. 1¼" 10° blades.
If you go to the 1 ¾" blades they come 8 in a box. I think it has to do with the weight for shipping. ;)
If you send your blades back to WM to sharpen you will come out cheaper to not be on their blade replacement program if you can afford to purchase 60 blades at a time when you buy blades. 15% discount an free shipping. If you cant afford to buy that many at a time you maybe can find someone else to go in with you.
those CBN wheels that i found are only 3 inch dia. is that what you guys are using? i think the ones i use on my grinder are 5 or 6 inch dia.
Quote from: ely on July 12, 2012, 09:09:12 AM
those CBN wheels that i found are only 3 inch dia. is that what you guys are using? i think the ones i use on my grinder are 5 or 6 inch dia.
They are both 5 inch one 3/8 inch wide for Cooks and one 1/4 inch wide for Woodmizer drag grinder.
I have mine done by another Woodmizer owner who specializes in sharpening more than milling. cost is $5 each and he does an excellent job.
Woodhick,you have a good deal there at $5 a pop.Setting and sharpening even with good machinery is boreing and gets old fast.I just completed 30 long bands and am glad to see the heels of them.I will just sharpen for $6 but setting and sharpening $7.50 just not worth it for much less.If you hump sharpened bands all day, it looks like you fought with a puddy cat and lost. Frank C.
Just dug up a few invoices at work for the sharpening service in this area, to set a re-sharpen a (yes one band) $17 + tax(13%) but no shipping charges as they pick up throughout the region...........
Brand new woodmizer double hard can be had for $22.20 (never tried one but would like to) Lenox Woodmaster C's $18.36 etc........plus shipping and taxes of course.
Seems my sharpener I bought used for $400 last year has already paid or itself.......feels good.
Yeah bandmiller I cant or wont sharpen them for $5 each. This guy prefers to sharpen bands than to saw as his business. He is using woodmizer equipment with CBN wheels and a Cooks dual tooth setter. Bands are just as good if not better than the ones I was getting back from woodmizer and he will sharpen a band that has few teeth missing or wore down but he marks it so you can use it for "iffy" logs for reclaimed stuff. Great guy to deal with.
Theirs nothing better than cutting with a freash, vicous sharp band, they just make an evil sounding hiss as they cut.This hot weather I'll cut two or three logs then go home and put the band on the sharpener just barely kissing the teeth. Frank C.
Backwoods Sawyer or anyone here, did you order the CBN wheels from Ireland or get them here in US? I have a Wright Machine grinder from TK and was looking at getting new wheels for it. The wheel on it is 6" X3/16X5/8. I got it used and was also wondering if he changed the wheel or is this the correct size for the grinder. My wheel is down to about 5 1/2 now. I know I can call TK and get new wheels was looking at what you said about the CBN wheels. I can seem to find any that size here in town. Ricky
How many blades do a CBN wheel sharpen before before wearing out. Steve
Ladylake it varies a lot depending on the sharpener type, wet or dry, no of times going round the blade etc but generally you should get 200 to 400 . If you need more info can you PM me? tom
I have an old WM band blade shapener its not the CBN SHARPENER. Also have the single tooth setter. Have sharpened only a couple blades that are inch and a half x 7/8 x 229 inches. It takes two passes. They seem to cut cleaner than new and last just a bit longer. Don't have a clue why.
When I dammage a blade , if possable and it normally is I cut the blade to 150 inches have them welded. I have a half dozen Im going to sharpen and try them out on my Band saw in the shop.
Just got the parts from WM to get the sharpener running right. Have to get it set up level and all that.
Quote from: ladylake on October 27, 2012, 06:56:51 AM
How many blades do a CBN wheel sharpen before before wearing out. Steve
I've used two different CBN wheels (woodmizer) about 225 bands each so far no sign of wearing out, although I don't know what happens when one wears out.
showing my ignorance, do the cbn wheels come all profiled and if not how do you achieve the proper profile?
i have an older WM sharpener and setter and am not fond of sharpening and setting but am too cheap to send them to WM.
Pete
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on October 27, 2012, 06:11:43 PM
Quote from: ladylake on October 27, 2012, 06:56:51 AM
How many blades do a CBN wheel sharpen before before wearing out. Steve
I've used two different CBN wheels (woodmizer) about 225 bands each so far no sign of wearing out, although I don't know what happens when one wears out.
The CBN wheels made by woodmizer are a single layer of CBN particles electroplated on to a steel preform. The wheel location first to wear out is usually the small radius which contacts the start of the gullet . It will become a different shade as it approaches the end of its life from the rest of the wheel so keep an eye out for this . It wont happen overnight so dont panic.Tom
Tom Are the wheel you sell different than the WM ones, longer life? Steve
Steve I'll have to PM you as we are not sponsors and it would be unethical to blatantly advertise at the expense of those who are, Tom
Quote from: tommone on October 28, 2012, 02:11:15 PM
Steve I'll have to PM you as we are not sponsors and it would be unethical to blatantly advertise at the expense of those who are, Tom
Well said. Spoken like a true gentleman.
Perhaps you should join the ranks of sponsors of this fine forum.
Again, I appreciate your high standard of conduct that this post displayed.
Herb
Thanks for complement Herb, integrity is something I value highly. We'll soon be one of the shameless commerce links and maybe sponsorship will follow, Tom.
Hurry up, I am interested in one of those stones too. :D
WM Resharp will not change the profile/pitch of a blade because it will abnormally wear the sharpening wheel/stone.
In other words, if it is a 10° blade it stays a 10° blade. They will not change it to a 7°, etc. With that in mind, if you are changing the tooth angle on blades, you could be reducing your wheel/stone's life.
Very true Magicman, with the Woodmizer CBN system you will need to use 10 degree wheels with 10 degree blades and so on. Using a 10 degree wheel with any other wheel angle will ruin the wheel and give a very unsatisfactory and incomplete grind.
I send mine to Resharp /Northeast . $134.00 for 15 blades -clean,sharpen and set,saves me time and having to buy equipment.It also seems that the resharpened blades are sharper than new,I remember a thread on that subject about a year ago.
So if I was changing a 10 degree band to a 4 degree I would need two different wheels if I wanted some to stay at 10?
If you have 10° bands and want some 4° bands, then buy some 4° bands and the sharpening wheel to go with them. Don't think about using a CBN to convert one tooth pitch to another. Buy what you need and sharpen them with the proper stone/wheel.
Quote from: xlogger on October 29, 2012, 08:51:18 PM
So if I was changing a 10 degree band to a 4 degree I would need two different wheels if I wanted some to stay at 10?
Not with your sharpener, the same wheel will work for any degree. The ones that cant change are the CBN wheel that do the whole gullet at once rather then pushing the wheel along in the gullet. Steve