More tree ID

Jkauffman · August 15, 2021, 11:02:19 PM

Can't figure it out,these two pics are some tree just about 120 degrees around the tree from each other.I tried lookin at the leaves with binoculars but they are way up there's can't get a good look.The leaves are rather small and look somewhat like ash except they aren't in pairs like ash.South-central Kentucky

Magicman · August 16, 2021, 08:21:12 AM

Do the stems have opposite branching?

Jkauffman · August 16, 2021, 01:03:39 PM

Don't think so.I'd have to check again but pretty sure not

bitternut · August 17, 2021, 01:30:35 PM

The bark resembles a Hackberry tree that I planted. Does the tree have tiny BB size green fruit?

WDH · August 17, 2021, 01:35:05 PM

The tree is ash.

Magicman · August 17, 2021, 03:17:10 PM

Quote from: Magicman on August 16, 2021, 08:21:12 AMDo the stems have opposite branching?

And it will have opposite branching.

Ron Scott · August 17, 2021, 06:29:19 PM

White Ash

Jkauffman · August 17, 2021, 10:04:08 PM

Thanks guys I appreciate it.I have some more ash on my place but it don't quite look like that so I was confused.The other ash has a tighter,smaller bark but is most definitely ash with opposite branching and corky bark.Could the other trees be a different kind of ash?now that I think of it,there is no other ash on that side of the mountain besides ones like I posted

WDH · August 18, 2021, 08:09:52 AM

Ash bark changes with tree age. Young trees have tight interlaced ridges that form diamonds. As the tree ages, areas of blocky bark can develop between areas of interlaced ridges. Also bark varies slightly between individuals.

BTW here is the Georgia State Champion green ash. That is my brother in the pic.

Ron Scott · August 20, 2021, 05:39:36 PM

White ash with a lighter bark usually grows on the higher drier sites and Black or Green Ash with a darker bark usually grows on the wetter lowland soil types; often found in riparian areas of lakes and streams.

WDH · August 21, 2021, 08:03:41 AM

White ash and green ash are very difficult to tell apart. The differences between them are minute. It really does not make any difference as the wood is the same. Just small botanical differences that really only matter to Botanists and Dendrologists and not practical people.

If anyone has a burning interest in how to tell them apart, just holler.

bitternut · August 21, 2021, 05:32:05 PM

That state tree is quite a monster. I have a personal champion ash tree on my Allegany County NY woods that has a little lean to it. I don't have a clue if it is green ash or white ash. The wife tried to straighten it up but had no success. ;D

This tree is close enough to the property line that it has survived several timber harvests over the years. Ash might be considered a pioneer species but if you leave them be they can obtain awesome size. I decided that it should remain standing after our impending harvest.

Old Greenhorn · August 21, 2021, 07:27:10 PM

Quote from: bitternut on August 21, 2021, 05:32:05 PM
That state tree is quite a monster. I have a personal champion ash tree on my Allegany County NY woods that has a little lean to it. I don't have a clue if it is green ash or white ash. The wife tried to straighten it up but had no success. ;D

This tree is close enough to the property line that it has survived several timber harvests over the years. Ash might be considered a pioneer species but if you leave them be they can obtain awesome size. I decided that it should remain standing after our impending harvest.

That tree is still healthy!? Good on ya mate! I hope she holds up, its a beuat. Surprised the EAB didn't declare that an 'all you can eat diner'.

Southside · August 21, 2021, 10:50:00 PM

Quote from: WDH on August 21, 2021, 08:03:41 AMIf anyone has a burning interest in how to tell them apart, just holler.

YO!! ;D

WDH · August 22, 2021, 07:53:28 AM

Ok. First off, you have to know what a samara is. No Southside, it is not a type of headdress worn by nomadic Arab Bebouins in the Sahara desert. It is a fruit. It is a seed with a single wing. Another important feature to look at is the twig where the leaf attaches to the twig at the point of petiole (leaf stalk) attachment.

In white ash, the blade of the samara ends more at the tip (top) of the seed cavity. In green ash, the wind extends down past the tip of the seed cavity on each side to about halfway down the seed. This is not always such a noticeably difference somewhat like the difference between Southside and the typical Cro-magnon.

The second feature involves the lateral buds. In the junction of a leaf petiole and a twig, there is always a bud. In white ash, the petiole sorta swells up at the base and enclosed the bud. If you hold a twig up with the leaf attached and look at the junction of the leaf petiole and the twig, you cannot see the tip of the bud. It is buried down in the junction.

In green ash, the lateral bud is not entirely enclosed by the base of the petiole at the petiole and twig junction. You can see the tip of the bud protruding out just a little bit, just like the brow ridge in Southside being more pronounced than the typical Cro-magnon and more Neanderthal-like. I am not saying that he is not a fully modern human, but there are some taxonomic concerns.

beenthere · August 22, 2021, 01:09:22 PM

Pics may help..
Green ash

White ash

WDH · August 22, 2021, 03:41:26 PM

Very excellent pics.

Jkauffman · August 25, 2021, 05:36:45 PM

Thanks y'all I really appreciate your responses!

Jkauffman · January 01, 2022, 12:13:00 AM

Any ideas on these species?I know this thread is outdated but didn't want to start a new one.Location is south central Ky.I was thinking maybe elm and maybe hickory?I'm still learning but I can point out your basic cedar lol

mike_belben · January 01, 2022, 10:10:59 AM

Im seeing a hickory. Need more parts of the tree. Leaves, nuts, branch tips or grain closeup

WDH · January 01, 2022, 10:11:40 AM

Sweetgum.

https://dendro.cnre.vt.edu/dendrology/syllabus/factsheet.cfm?ID=53

Southside · January 01, 2022, 11:31:07 AM

Quote from: WDH on August 22, 2021, 07:53:28 AMI am not saying that he is not a fully modern human, but there are some taxonomic concerns.

Some folks just get jealous that they have to bend over, instead of reaching up, to tie their shoes. :D

KEC · January 01, 2022, 01:22:58 PM

A few years back, I hiked with a grandson to a firetower on Snowny Mt. near Indian Lake, NY. Saw one of the biggest, straight and tall ash trees ever. It looked like it would grade out if sawn. Growing in the forest preserve and, of course, I did not take a camera. And, as WDH said, bark changes as trees age. There are some big and old Yellow Birch in the Adirondacks and the bark is very different than on the younger trees you see.