1965 C5 Cancar Tree Farmer SPECS and INFO Thread.

[lshobie]

Hey all it's been a while since I've posted but here is my latest purchase. 1967 c5 with braden winch and detroit 353.  Runs great just going to set the rack, change fluids, repair some u joints and fix the two pitted  blade rams.  Bought it from the second owner  family who bought it in the early 70s.

One of the planetaries is leaking around the brass pin and I'm going to replace the brake and clutch cylinders as well.

It's hard to find info on these as it is scattered all over the place so I will post part numbers and info as I go in this top section:


Manuals, I haven't been able to find any for this skidder - help would be greatly appreciated - I will pay for them of course.

Service:
Operator:
Parts:

Model Cancar Treefarmer C5
Serial number_ 650512
Engine: Detroit Diesel 3-53 Naturally Aspirated
Engine Model Number 5033-7200. Unit number 17741
Max rpm 2830

Filters:  

Hydraulic cartridge beside radiator. WIX 51567
Oil cartridge. 23522888, wix napa 1138, fram ch119pl
fuel filter element

Brake master Wagner 29744  FD2951 FE2951 29744 2951 29744C 5461387 616588 M68105 M1402121 M54484 M457266
Clutch Master FD2951 FE2951 29744 2951 29744C 5461387 616588 M68105 M1402121 M54484 M457266
Clutch slave.  doorman cs36164
Brake slave. doorman cs36164
Clutch and brake fluid DOT 3

Axles
Tranny T98-746.    (094)
Diffs:  #5200K532 (Y10)
Winch Braden
Tires 18.4-34 Forestry tire
8 bolt rim
Drive shaft U joint:
Winch U joint:
Hydraulic pump:
Steer control:
Blade control:

Fluids:
Engine Oil:  SAE 40 spring/summer/fall.  SAE 30 winter
Hydraulics:  ATF
Braden winch: 80w90 non hypoid
Planetaries:  ATF
Transmission:  80W90 non hypoid
Transfer Case:  80w90. Non hypoid
Air oil bath: any engine oil









 

 




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LssgGcQoJE

[thecfarm]

That sure does look good!!
Even have all parts for the hood!!!

[lshobie]

Brake and Clutch Master:

 

 

 

   

[lshobie]

Detroit Diesel with oil bath air cleaner and oil cartridge not a spin on.  Generator and voltage regulator. 


 

 

[lshobie]

Question:

This threaded hole - is it just a fill plug or should there be a breather tube in that?  Thanks!


 

 

[lshobie]

A quick look at my C5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LssgGcQoJE

[Kodiakmac]

This threaded hole - is it just a fill plug or should there be a breather tube in that?  Thanks!

After checking what is/isn't in that housing, I'd be putting in a threaded plug.  Quickly.

[bushmechanic]

Nice score on the machine! The more I look at this I think it's not a C5 but a C4 Pulpwood special. That's a Cotta transfer case and the hole is for a 1/8 pipe thread vent. It's really in good shape for the year.

[lshobie]

Hey thanks, the tag says C5, I think its a c4 for the most part with the Detroit instead of the gasser?  

Do you know anything about the two trunion mounts on the from axle...the pivots?  One is completely blown out ( the rear one) and it is making a big hole in the frame.  Im not sure how they mounted the front axle on that because both pins face into each other - unless the rear one was removable and slipped into place after the wishbone was installed?

Cheers and thanks for your comments.

Louie

[lshobie]

 

 

 

 

These pics were sent by another member so I know what how the cradle pins are set up.  Many thanks to him!

[logman81]

I had a very similar skidder except mine had the Ford gas and updated arch. It was in the same kind of condition yours was in but went through it and replaced all the worn out parts.

 

 

[logman81]

And yes thats a pulp wood special c4b.

[logman81]

Mine was also a factory extended frame as well.

[lshobie]

I had a very similar skidder except mine had the Ford gas and updated arch. It was in the same kind of condition yours was in but went through it and replaced all the worn out parts.

 

That looks great!

[lshobie]

video update.

https://youtu.be/Phwc1s2tehc

[logman81]

Should have kept the 664c clark even with the front motor mount being broken its still way more skidder then that tree farmer is. The little plug on the right side of that Braden winch is the fill line and use a rated oil for bronze gears. I went through my entire c4b which is the same machine minus the 353 DT and you can still get most parts for the old girl!

Don't overload it or this will happen to the planitaries 

 

 

[lshobie]

Thanks for the info, just curious what overloading is lol, like....how many ash trees at show long and diameter?  Or red oak and diameter.  Straight pull.


Cheers

,louie

[C5C Tree Farmer]

Were you able to find parts for the master cylinders?

[logman81]

 

 

[logman81]

Parts are available through Harold's logging in Maine, Ask for Randy tell him Dave Peckham sent ya! I got all my parts from him when I restored my c4.

[lshobie]

Thanks David!

Here is a vid from yesterday.  Logging tomorrow after my wife opens her presents....
             https://youtu.be/H3FCsDLDz5s           

[lshobie]

Were you able to find parts for the master cylinders?

Yes I did - Raybestos MK1 kit!  I rebuilt it on cam.

             https://youtu.be/tq47bjVTdDk           

[lshobie]

Tried the Braden winch yesterday.
           https://youtu.be/_T93O1xtkWk         

[logman81]

I had the same winch on my c4b. Not to bad of a winch a tad on the slow side and can be a pain to adjust, keep it covered up when not using it to keep it from rusting up!

[lshobie]

Ya it's not like my clark winch but it does the trick.  Pretty impressed with this little skidder - very little damage in the bush and makes a nice atv trail at the same time.  Needs cab protection though - next summers project.



 

[logman81]

Yes I almost bought that clark from a guy in Massachusetts a few years back but it didn't pan out still had a front broken motor mount. Those tree farmer skidders are nice they pull pretty good fo how light weight they are.

[lshobie]

A few hitches with my son - his first time in the bush logging and me getting the cobwebs out.
             https://youtu.be/dUO_HrZII3g           

[logman81]

I watched it seems like it's working ok for you. Seems to be smoking a lot though 🤔 

[lshobie]

Smokes a lot!  We noticed it has the S type injectors - might even be original injectors.  Does slobber a lot while idling.  But it's running well so I think ill just run it and keep the mosquitos away:)

[lshobie]

Someone commented in the video that this screen might be plugged partially.

 

[logman81]

That is a possibility it could be?

[lshobie]

I doubt it - if it were clogged it would be black smoke, I just think it's the injectors ..

[logman81]

It's the injectors probably dirty. 

[ALJ]

Hi, I have a Garrett Tree Farmer C4B skidder. 
I have to replace parts on the transfer case Rockwell 
model T3232, serial number 463-0020. Does 
anyone know where to find replacement parts and I 
would also like a schematic for the transfer case mentioned
above. 
Thank you any info is greatly appreciated. You can email
me if it's easier.
Aprillynnejones@hotmail.ca

[C5C Tree Farmer]

Try searching this way:
Rockwell T32-32 transfer case. T32 is the series of transfer cases and the -32 is probably the number that describes the characteristics of the one in your particular application...ie shaft arrangement, one or two speeds, pto or not etc.
I found this link on the T32's. You will be able to see if this transfer case is similar to yours or not.
http://graphicvillage.org/meritor/pb90202.pdf

[lshobie]

Throwout fork(Yolk) and detroit crank seal.






 

 

[tacks Y]

Try searching this way:
Rockwell T32-32 transfer case. T32 is the series of transfer cases and the -32 is probably the number that describes the characteristics of the one in your particular application...ie shaft arrangement, one or two speeds, pto or not etc.
I found this link on the T32's. You will be able to see if this transfer case is similar to yours or not.
http://graphicvillage.org/meritor/pb90202.pdf

Did the older TJs (70s) run this also?

[bushmechanic]

tacks Y the early Timberjack 201,205,215 1960's used the T32 Rockwell Standard transfer case. They could also be found in S7 Internationals { Hough}. Parts are obsolete for them now, a few years back I needed a gear and could not buy it, found one in a scrap pile and it's still in use on my 201. 

[lshobie]

Pretty sure I have that transfer case in my parts Timberjack, complete and useable with disc brake conversion.
             https://youtu.be/lE2ocy9nngg           

[tacks Y]

tacks Y the early Timberjack 201,205,215 1960's used the T32 Rockwell Standard transfer case. They could also be found in S7 Internationals { Hough}. Parts are obsolete for them now, a few years back I needed a gear and could not buy it, found one in a scrap pile and it's still in use on my 201.

Thanks for the information

Pretty sure I have that transfer case in my parts Timberjack, complete and useable with disc brake conversion.
            [url=https://youtu.be/lE2ocy9nngg]1962 TIMBERJACK 203 runs! - YouTube           [/url]

Nice video, but the lack of seeing on that thing? If the winch doesn't eat you, what will get run run over?    

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[lshobie]

lol, oh ya totally dangerous, to operate the winch a person needs 4 arms and 3 legs.  I just bought it for parts to be honest...has the same axles as my tree farmer and some other parts.

Cheers.

[lshobie]

Tree farmer pulled a nice beech for some live edge milling and firewood for the left overs.
             https://youtu.be/o-EUeCZQ4x0           

[bushmechanic]

Hate to burst your bubble on those diff's but the only thing the same is the planetary ends. The Timberjack has a ratio of 6/36 and the Tree Farmer has 5/39, teeth count I mean. The Timberjack axle is 7 inches shorter also so the side axles are shorter also. I'm going to say you must of got that old Jack cheap :D 

[lshobie]

Thanks for the info!  Bubble not burst at all, I can still use the planetaries and winch parts.  And other bits.  Yes I got it cheap and parting it out here and there.  I think the bellhousing is an SAE 3 as well ..mates up to the dodge but I'll do some research.

[lshobie]

Had throwout bearing issues, ended up pulling the tranny and rebuilding the clutch:
             https://youtu.be/zrBaLi9mf8A           

[lshobie]

Seems to be working well now!


             https://youtu.be/BpGwxw1hOmI           

[mike_belben]

Nice dominoes.  Looks like thatll run circles around your case 450 crawler.  Still have that? 

Which one can pull a bigger hitch you think?

[lshobie]

Nice dominoes.  Looks like thatll run circles around your case 450 crawler.  Still have that?

Which one can pull a bigger hitch you think?

oh ya for sure way better than the crawler - I have rocks on my road so the crawler was a kidney buster lol.  I sold it to a friend they use it all the time and love it.
This will pull more for sure, I can only get 5-7 pine on the back of this in the plantation efficiently - my cable is too short and any more than 7 down at a time makes a real mess.  After I limb and top them I run over the debris and it cleans it up nice.  Once I get that row out ill be able to pull out the other poor quality ones tucked into the sides of the row easier - then I can pull more.  The crawler didn't lift them high enough as well - would be caught on everything...but was a good machine for cleanup here and there.
Thanks for watching!

[mike_belben]

Ive had the same crawler for like gosh.. 8 years now.. Only run it maybe half hour.  Been at my brothers 1000 miles away and i cant transport it yet.

That i own it prevents me from making any hard decisions on how to setup my D31 because the 450 might be better with full power turns.  but i just dont know and wonder about it all the time.  


I think the dozer is getting a 2 cable mini tower and the loader will get a grapple in place of the drott bucket, plus a winch and a big 4 post trailer that it self loads CTL.   Since theyre so slow yet powerful i think its best to fill a trailer as high as itll lift or pull and make one pass a day.

[lshobie]

The 450 does turn well, not sure if you are running on snow, if you do cut holes in your grousers and it works way better.  The grapple would be great.  

This stuff is like anything else, a crawler loader doesn't do what a dozer or backhoes does, a backhoe doesn't do what an excavator does, a wheel loader doesn't do what a skidder does and so on - so you need to buy one of each......so my son says.

[mike_belben]

Minimal snow for me most years.  This one has been pretty harsh. 

I agree with your boy. I hope to leave mine one of each.  Let him pay his own tuition with them.

[lshobie]

The last of the snow for the season...dirt logging coming up.

             https://youtu.be/bw52HXjcjqQ           

[lshobie]

Not the greatest season for logging, too warm and then lots of snow.....but still managed to grab some sticks.
https://youtu.be/WmVPUpD_7HA