Update on shop (** MORE **PICS)

[brdmkr]

I thought I would post some pics showing the shop progress.  I put the boards on the gable ends over the weekend and installed door yesterday.  It is coming together 8) 8)

Here is a shot of the western wall.  It will have 2 windows installed once I get them framed-up.



Here is a shot showing my free  8) door.  This wall will also have 2 windows installed.



Finally, here is the eastern wall.  I have a really cool door installed there :D :D :D :D :D :D :D



Seriously, I plan on building a double barn door hung on heavy black hinges for this door.  The 'temp door' is just there so I can lock things up.

I know that the shop has lots of stain and some mold.  I hope to bleach the mold, spray for PPB and then treat with some sort of clear sealant.  My wife really likes the mottled look.  Guess that is why she married me ;D

In all honesty, I kind of like the staining too.  It looks rustic

I still have to build and hang the 'big doors', install the windows, put up my soffit, install the battens on the gable ends, and wire it.  I hope to begin wiring next as having my shop tools would be really handy for the other stuff.

You know, it may not be perfect, but I have really enjoyed taking this thing from tree to building!

[Brad_S.]

Looks great!  8)
I agree, there is a huge amount of satisfaction when you create something that started with a tree and ended with a finished product.

[Fla._Deadheader]

  Looks just fine to me. Ya did a really nice job.

[DanG]

Wow!  That looks super, Mike! 8) 8)  I like the "denim" look, too.  Ya oughta squirt some bleach water on it today, then get some sealant on this weekend since the weather is so dry.  Once it starts raining it might be hard to find a good time to do it and the whole thing will turn grey.

[tcsmpsi]

I was wondering when you would get around to updating us on your shop. 

Roof looks good.  Ridge vent?

All that siding/etc., looks just as it should, under the circumstances. 

I agree with DanG.  Sooner, the better on stopping what unwanted growth you have on your siding. 

What did you make your siding with?

[brdmkr]

Thanks for all the compliments 8)  Of course, I only showed you the better sides and at low resolution :D :D

It will likely be this weekend before I can do any sort of treatment.  I was hoping to skip the bleach and go straight to a glycol-borate treatment as I suspect that it would also kill mold.  However, I have not had any takers on the post in the drying board.  I would rather not treat with borate, find that it did nothing to the mold, then treat with bleach (leaching my borate) and then having to treat with borate again.  Also, from what I read, the borate may actually appreciate having some recent moisture applied to the wood.

tcsmpsi, the siding is pine and I have a ridge vent on the roof.  I have one other 'construction' under my belt (a 16 x 20 shop) and I had someone roof it.  This is my first from the ground up (of course, I did have someone pour the concrete and I paid someone to help with the trusses).  It has taken nearly a year to get here, but I can honestly say it has never been a burden.  I have really enjoyed everything I've done.

I hope to pull my own wires, but I will have an electrician hook everything up.  I could likely do this myself, but I want to get the shop tools moved so I can get into the finishing.

[Haytrader]

I agree it is a fine building. One that you will use with pride for many years to come.
I am curious though as to why you didn't frame the windows in and side to them. I think it would have been a lot easier. Inquiring minds want to know

;)

[Handy Andy]

  Does your new shop already have PPB's or you treating for just in case?  ANd mold?
Kind of hard to imagine mold on new boards, of course Georgia is pretty humid I suppose.  Living on the edge of the desert you don't see much mold.  Only in bathrooms where someone soaks the carpet and doesn't dry it.  Shop looks very good, hate to see you cut holes in that siding for windows.  Probably be kind of dark inside, though.

[WDH]

What a fine shop, Brdmkr. 

[sawguy21]

You can come on up and build my shop anytime. :D That looks good. I am with Haytrader re the windows.

[metalspinner]

That looks just about right.  Now, break it down and ship it up here to me.  I've got the spot already picked out.

[brdmkr]

Because inquiring minds want to know....

I couldn't make up my mind how many windows I wanted, how big I wanted them, and just where I wanted them.  So, given all of these uncertainties, we began to see what kind of a deal ($$$) we could get on windows.   Given it was a royal pain in the rear to carry tools back and forth, I decided that if the shop were sided I could at least store things in the shop and lock it up.  So, we sided it with the idea that we could install the windows after we figured out what we wanted.  Also... I haven't done anything the easy way yet.  No need to start now :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D  It also provided rationale for a sawzall ;)

We wound up finding some single pain windows that had never been installed that were a steal!   However, the windows are not hung in a frame.  So, I will have to build a frame before installing them. 

The wood shows evidence on PPB (little holes, fine dust when the wood was stickered and itty bitty bugs).  The mold occured because when I cut the siding we had a rare period of wet weather that kept things pretty wet for a couple of weeks.  I really had a major 'bloom'.  It had to be weather related as lumber cut before and after did fine.  Hopefully the bleach and borate will rid me of my biological problems.

[Burlkraft]

Nice job brdmkr.... ;) ;) ;)

That will look even nicer with them windows.....Keep sendin' pics... ;D ;D

[thecfarm]

Good job!How big is this shop?What will be kept in it and what will it be used for?Maybe you can show us a pictures with windows and nice double doors.

[brdmkr]

The shop is 25 x 40.  I hope to use it exclusively for woodworking.  I will need to get power to it before I install the windows as they will require some woodworking.  My current shop is too crowded to use!

I will be sure to post more pictures as the project progresses.

[DanG]

I hope to use it exclusively for woodworking. 

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Dat's a good one, Mike!

:

[pappy]

Way ta go brdmkr  8) nice size ta boot too, ya can plane, rip and joint  a 16 footer without having to open windows and doors  ;D

A BIG mistake I made in wiring mine was I put all the outlets a foot up off the floor, like ya would in a house  : wrong !!! cause in time as most wood shops ya got wood stacked every where  and work benchs along the wall makes it tough to access the juice... If I ever get to build our new shop I'm gonna place the outlets 48" up from the floor and install both 120 and 220 every four feet along the walls and plenty of 120's on the ceiling...

[OneWithWood]

Lookin' good, Mike.  I second the notion of putting your electrical outlets up 4' from the floor.  I did that and I installed double boxes every 8', 4' would have been better.
Keep up the good work and keep the pics coming  8)

[WDH]

I put some electrical outlets on the floor with metal plates to plug in the table saw, jointer, bandsaw, etc. without having to run cords all over the place. 

[Dodgy Loner]

Nice lookin' shop, brdmkr!  8) 8) 8)  Much easier on the eyes than the shop that I'm currently claiming as my own (it's my dad's  :-\) 

I think it'd be a good idea to put some electrical outlets on the floor where you plan to have big equipment--I'm trippin' over cords all the time as it is.

[brdmkr]

It's a little late for outlets on the floor.  However, the 4' height is a go as is the idea of having outlets on every other stud.  I'll have several 220 outlets (3 -4 on each wall) as well.    My electrician friend even suggested having a few outlets in the ceiling!  I hope to install some homemade air cleaners (at least 2) between the trusses, so having an outlet or two up top won't be an issue.

DanG..... I resemble that remark!

[tcsmpsi]

Because inquiring minds want to know....

It also provided rationale for a sawzall ;)

From what I can see (and very much appreciate), you will have just about enough work for the sawzall on that project, to find reasonable disapproval for future use.   :D

Running your electrical, having plenty of recepticles is GOOD.  Don't short yourself on the amount or amperage of circuits to feed them.   Even more important than the recepticles themselves.

Whichever system you decide to use (circuit breakers), get plenty extra for future replacement.  Design/business change is not unusual in the circuit breaker industry.

[brdmkr]

When we had the power folks come out to determine what sort of service we need, they recommended 600 amps.  400 for the house and 200 for the shop.  Most everybody I ahve talked to thought that was overkill, but for the cost of materials it really doesn't make that much difference and I think I will have plenty of room to expand.  So, I should be able to handle the amps.

[tcsmpsi]

It's not overkill.    ;)

[slowzuki]

400 amps for the house????? It must be electric heat.  200 amps in the shop, I can see that, you can run about 50 hp continuously off a 200 amp entrance and about 64 hp intermitantly.

I have a 200 amp split between my apartment and shop, I can run my 10 hp electric mill at the same time the plasma cutter is dialed up to 3/4" steel and the air compressor is running while my wife has every electric appliance known to man running inside.  and there is still left over capacity.

[Radar67]

400 amps is a lot. I currently have a 100 amp service in my house and don't have any problems. I can run my central air, electric stove, electric water heater, and the normal compliment of various other electric appliances and lights at the same time. Even been known to run the welder (50amp) with all the other as well.

Stew

[tcsmpsi]

Admittedly, seldom do I find 400 amp residential, single dwelling service.  However, if it were a reasonable matter to have it instead of 100 or 200, I'd go for it in a heartbeat. 

The more there is to draw from, the more efficient the electrical devices can operate.

I've put in higher amp services for some older places, and some of those owners have been pretty amazed at the difference it made in their equipment.

[Norm]

I'm with tctspi...um tscpmi...not it's tcmpti....oh you know that guy from texas. :D

If it's not much more money get the 400 amp, you'll never regret it. Beautiful shop by the way, I'm jealous.

Just joking tcsmpsi but I'm calling you tc from now on, for some reason the other one always twists up my fingers trying to type it out. Now before you get mad it could be worse...you could be named Norm!

[WDH]

I need to upgrade my shop bad.  I did not put in a big enough service.  So, I know what it means to be under-powered ;D.

TCSMPSI is a mouthful isn't it :D.  I know what it means, but I ain't tellin' .

[Larry]

I'm on a REA company in Arkansas.  I supplied my own wire, conduit, disconnect, and all the little pieces up to the transformer.  Figured I would go with 600 amp service to my meter and disconnect than send 300 amps to the house and 300 amps to the shop.  Prices on breaker panels, breakers, and wire really jump when you move above 200 amps.  Backed off and got 200 amps for the house and 200 amps for the shop.  Actually 200 amps could be overkill for a one man shop.  My shop in north Missouri has an arc welder, 5 hp air compressor, 5 hp planer, and a 5 hp DC.  All on 100 amp service.  Guess my most load is when running the planer and DC at the same time.  Never tripped the main breaker.

On my shop outlets they are 54" above the floor so I can lay a piece of plywood on the wall and not block the outlet.  Also each box houses 4 - 120 outlets on two different circuits.  Some codes don't allow this.

Have fun building the shop...keep us updated with pics...everybody likes new shops and all can get some ideas.

[metalspinner]

The lights go out on Monday here for my panel upgrade.  It all  started with a new heat pump installation.  The HVAC guy needed more power at the panel.  I made the choice of upping to 225 amps.  The jump to 400 was substantial.  The electrician recommended a second drop line to the (future)shop.

[tcsmpsi]

I had electricity brought in almost a mile, and was the only recipient.  I was somewhat constrained with what I could initially get and for them to set up for anything more than 200 amp service, under those circumstances would have been...well, impossible.

Fortunately, I was still in the business, and copper was still quite reasonable, so I was able to run the largest wire the meter box would hold, which does help some.

I've never blown their transformer, so, that's a good thing.   :D

As an example:
For my new table saw (in the same spot where my old one had been), I had a designated 110 circuit, with the recepticle running 20-25' of #12 to the circuit.  Running a new circuit to it with #10 wire instead, there was a notable improvement in the saw's capability.

Well, Norm, you see, tcsmpsi is unlikely to be 'taken', nor is it likely to be 'randomly selected'.  And yes, it is not a normal keyboard flow.   :D

One of the first things WDH asked me when he saw me in person, was how to pronounce it.  If you think the keyboard is difficult, try that.   :D

[brdmkr]

I thought I would share a little bit of this weeks activities on the shop.  I started working on the BIG doors yesterday.  I decided to use left over siding (3/4 x 6").  I basically built 3 rail and stile frames and then used liquid nails and screws to pull the frames together.

Here is a pic of the outer and mid frame.  The mid frame is  made of 3/4x4.



I cut ship-lap for the main panel so I could pull everything together and get a good tight seal.



This is what things looked like as I filled in the frame.  I put one finish nail in the middle of each of the pieces of lap.



And here it is with the prame completely filled.



Here is the finished product.  I figure it took 12 hours (give or take) to go from full-length rough cut to this.  There are diagonals on each side of the door.  I placed a 2" screw through each diagonal into the middle of each piece of lap.  I skpped every other lap when doing this and then flipped to door over and repeated.  However, when I put screws in the other side, I put the screws in boards that were not held by screws on the other side.  Basically, this pattern really sandwiched those laps while still allowing for expansion.



While 12 hours seems like a long time to make one door, it only took about 45 minutes to get the second one to this state.

I figure each door weighs about 200 lbs. 



I haven't had this much fun building something in a long time.  Even the neighborhood kids came over to watch 8)  More pics when the doors are hung.  It may be a while as I have some logs to cut.

[Paschale]

TCSMPSI is a mouthful isn't it :D.  I know what it means, but I ain't tellin' .

Texas
Centered
Sawyer
Man
Plies
Sawing
Implement

Who's got a better guess?   ;D

The shop looks great, brdmker!   8)

[WDH]

Those are some good looking doors, Brdmker.  Strong, too.  You will need some stout hinges ;D.

[WDH]

Paschale,

I can't participate in interpreting TCSMPSI since I already know the true answer.  This could be fun.  We might have to do a separate post on it :D.

[thurlow]

Texas
Centered
Sawyer
Man Mikata
Plies Protective
Sawing
Implement

[WDH]

Thurlow must have the low down :D.  Getting very warm.

[Patty]

texas     chain    saw    massacre    partly     secret     investigator    8)

[TexasTimbers]

The Crazy Simpleton Maniac Pretending Sanity Intermittantly    ;D

And BTW brdmkr (which I assume means boardmaker ??? ) you have done a fantastic job on your shop!

[metalspinner]

And BTW brdmkr (which I assume means boardmaker  )

I thought "brdmkr"  stood for "breadmaker."

[TexasTimbers]

Prolly does then it was just a guess. I have no ideer actually.

[Tom]

Actually it stands for Bread Marker.  It's a long lost profession known but to a few.  It's a job that was created back in pre-Christian days when the Italians produced more loaves than they could eat themselves and donated them to the Roman Army, who carried them to the far reaches of the Empire.  That Italian bread has always been hard to chew, something the Roman Army also found out about Old Julius' bent for pet lions. 

To make sure that the bread got to the right place, it was marked with hash marks.  Sometimes the mark was run the length of the loaf and sometimes it was a bunch of little marks across the loaf.  This designated where the loaf was to end up.  The Loafers eventually came to the New World and their round loaves, due to their lack of interest, became flat.  The entrepreneurs of New York City, being the imitation salsa capital of the world, found that they could dress the Loafer's loaves with the salsa and invented Pizza Pie.  The Markers have lost out on the supply and demand end of the concession and you don't find too many Markers anymore.  We are truly lucky to have an old timey Bread Marker on our Board.  It has been such an honor that we considered creating a Bread Board but the Loafers wouldn't have it.

So, be prideful of Bread Marker.  He comes from a long line of loafers.

[Raider Bill]

 smiley_clapping lol smiley_turkey_dancing

[theorm]

Tom,

But does his mill have a sourdough starter?

:D Theo

[WDH]

If it wasn't such a nice shop, we wouldn't be having so much fun Brdmkr ;D.

[sawguy21]

 :D :D :D Tom, just what is in your sweet iced tea ???

[brdmkr]

Actually, it originally stood for bird maker.  I had a job gluing on the feathers, but that was before they started putting them in eggs.  Not wanting to change my name, I just changed what I mk.  Now, I mk brds er uh boards.  Which differs from lumber; I have heard.  I have also been told that I make boreds, but I never really figured that one out.

So, who would have thought that birds coming from eggs would have prompted me to get a sawmill.  It is strange how things happen.  If only I had known about the bread markers!  I could have likely gotten around to having my own bread board.  While Tom has been around here much longer than me and likely knows most of the forum loafers, I think that with hard work, I could have gotten the rest of the loafers behind me.  After all, loafers will do most anything for a penny, but I have seen some that preferred to carry quarters.  Hopefully most of the loafers that hang out here are, in fact, penny loafers.  Otherwise, I would have to take a job making some real bread to pay those that need quarters.  Maybe I should think about that anyway, as you can always use more dough.

[DanG]

 :D :D :D :D :D :D

Looks like Tom's bread marker theory is toast.

[TexasTimbers]

Y'all are on a roll. I mean yoos guys is the coolest thing since sliced bread. At yeast we are all on a leavened playing field.
Tom looks like comic relief is your bread and butter.

[Tom]

I just got hold of the wrong gynecologist, ...er.....gastroenterologist, uh.....   I mean genealogist and he must've been reading out of the book of French Bread Markers.  Uh... see..   they used to feed the Roman Army with bread with marks on top too but Bird Mker must not be French and the line of verification has been confused.   He's probably of the Welch bird Mker's, I'll bet.  They get confused with the French Bread Markers all of the time.  You can tell the French bread markers  from the Italian Bread Markers cause they are softer.  But, it's hard to tell a bird mkr from either one.

[Paschale]

Now, if Bread was loafing around back in the day, they wouldn't have had so many hit songs, now would they?  Though talk about soft Bread--that's far too soft for my taste.  They must be Italian.  I much prefer what the Byrds made, if you ask me.   ;D

[brdmkr]

I think you have Bread confused with Meat.  I thought it was Meat Loaf that had the hit songs.  I never understood that as how could meat loaf be a hit without mashed potatoes. 

[tcsmpsi]

brdmkr

Are we perhaps christening the building, Fort BoardMaker?  I like the doors.   ;)

I think Mashed Potatoes had a hit somewhere back there.  Or, was that just a dance?
Anyhow, I still like the Doors.   :D

That thurlow...you know, sometimes I think maybe he has roots in Texas.   :D

But then, I see everyone has part of the contribution defined.   If I admit to what kevjay presented, I could be in trouble.  Might get me a little rest time, though.   

                                                     :D

[WDH]

I am sure glad this has been cleared up.  For a minute there, I thought we were talking about a shop, not food. 

[Brad_S.]

it could be worse...you could be named Norm!

Two Bostonians made Norm a good name to have. One for his carpentry/woodworking skills, the other for his bar stool wit. Surely now everytime you walk into a room, everyone yells "NORM" in unison, don't they? :D

[OneWithWood]

Imagine Patty's surprise when she found out it was short for Norman and not Normal  :D ;D

[DanG]

Hey Mike!  Ya better get some windows in that shop soon.  If ya don't, it'll be like an oven in there and this thread won't seem as silly as it does right now. ;D :D

BTW, I've got a Sawzall you can try if ya want to.  Might be good to see if ya really want one of your own.

[brdmkr]

BTW, I've got a Sawzall you can try if ya want to.  Might be good to see if ya really want one of your own.

Whilst I am much appreciative of your offer, I had to leave out the windows BECAUSE I bought the saw!  I got the saw first... The windows just prove how much I need it!

I'll take a stab... TCSMPSI

Texas
Comprehensive
Sawyer
Majoring
in
Pine
and
Stickering
Intelligently

If you have seen tcsmpsi's stacked lumber, you will agree!

[WDH]

TCSMPSI, you are such an enigma 8).

[thurlow]

  a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma; a paradox? 

[WDH]

A conundrum ???.

[thurlow]

a mystification,  a perplexity, an intricacy,  a bewilderment,  an  anomaly,  a catch 22;  are we still talking about tcsmpsi? 

[WDH]

Oh yes, he is quite the bewilderment, you know.  I am sure that you are aware that he is a "tree whisperer".  He talks to the yaupons and all the other species across the creek that I did not get to meet :.

[brdmkr]

A conundrum ???.

Ain't that what you use to sharpen blades?

[DanG]

I thought it was....oh nevermind.

[Handy Andy]

  Still lookin fer the pictures.   Now tell me, isn't tcmpsi the brand name of the motor on yer mill?

[brdmkr]

Handy,

At the risk of getting back to the topic of the shop, the pics are several posts up.  I posted some pics of the doors that I hope to hang this week.

[theorm]

The
Cop
Saw
Me
Pulling
Something
Illegal

8)

[sawguy21]

Hey, that works.  :D :D