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Started by Evergreen Man, April 17, 2015, 10:24:16 PM

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Evergreen Man

Can anyone tell me what kind of Oak this is?
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BBTom

Look at the length of the medullary rays on a flat sawn board.  If many are longer than an inch, it is white.  If most of them are less than half inch then it is red.

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beenthere

You think it is oak?

I'm not seeing rays, but it just may be the quality of the pic.
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Evergreen Man

I was told buy the guy trying to sell me the log it's oak, I wouldn't know an oak log if it fell on my head.
There arn't any Oak in my bush and I've just never payed close attention any time I have been around Oak tree's.
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beenthere

That might be the problem.. ;)

Here is a short .pdf that tells about wood in the woodpile.

http://www.nd.gov/ndda/files/resource/WhatsInThatWoodPile.pdf

Skim down to Fig. 12 and you can see what the oak rays look like. May be some other hints that will help id the log too.
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hackberry jake

I know very little about woods in the great white north... but im guessin either red maple or elm.
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barbender

The bark looks like Black Ash, although the wood is a little light colored. Sure doesn't look like any sort of oak.
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Magicman

I hope that the log is in better condition than the butt indicates.  I wonder what is going on with the center?
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Ron Wenrich

I'm thinking the bark looks like ash.  That's not a butt cut log, as there is no flare.  I'm not familiar with black ash, so that could explain it.  The heart doesn't look unusual, for ash. 
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Ox

Looks like ash or red maple.  I'd lean towards ash.  White, black, orange, pink, etc. - I have no idea.  Here it's just "ash".
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Ron Wenrich

I'd lean to hard maple before red maple.  Bark isn't right for red maple.  One thing for sure, it ain't oak. 
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wood doesen't match maple, either green ash or white ash . not black ash to much color variation. .
are the end grains porous or not noticable? maples are tight end grains ,ashes are porous .
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GeneWengert-WoodDoc

I will guess with some certainty that this is NORWAY MAPLE (Acer platanoides).  Both the bark and the color are correct.  It is an invasive species and is found in Ontario from time to time--in fact, it is found throughout North America, growing oftentimes where American elm used to grow.  As it often does not grow in a high density forest, it will have knots and poor form, as we can see.

So, what about the wood?  The tree is neither a hard maple (sugar and black) or a soft maple (red and silver), as these groupings apply only to the native U.S. species.  So, it cannot be sold as either hard or soft maple, but must be called Norway maple.  The properties of the wood are between soft and hard maple.  Sometimes we get nice grain patterns and sometimes, not.  Due to the knotty wood, and sometimes erratic grain, warp in drying can be an issue.  Fast drying is best.
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Quote from: GeneWengert-WoodDoc on April 18, 2015, 10:07:35 PM
I will guess with some certainty that this is NORWAY MAPLE (Acer platanoides).  Both the bark and the color are correct.  It is an invasive species and is found in Ontario from time to time--in fact, it is found throughout North America, growing oftentimes where American elm used to grow.  As it often does not grow in a high density forest, it will have knots and poor form, as we can see.

So, what about the wood?  The tree is neither a hard maple (sugar and black) or a soft maple (red and silver), as these groupings apply only to the native U.S. species.  So, it cannot be sold as either hard or soft maple, but must be called Norway maple.  The properties of the wood are between soft and hard maple.  Sometimes we get nice grain patterns and sometimes, not.  Due to the knotty wood, and sometimes erratic grain, warp in drying can be an issue.  Fast drying is best.

Well there you have it from the Doc himself, I had a hunch it wasn't oak myself, aside from that I had no clue. Best of luck with sawerin' her up!
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SwampDonkey

Norway maple would certainly be a good guess by the looks of it. Bark isn't right for any ash that grows up here.

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Ron Wenrich

Didn't think of Norway maple.  I sawed some of those.  The ones I sawed had good form, and no knots.  They were forest grown invasives and cut nice, clear lumber.  The bark was darker in color than the one pictured.  The end user did say that they would buy it with soft maple.  The color wouldn't match hard maple. 
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Daren12

I don't think its Norway maple (soft maple). The log in the picture is to straight its very rare that you find them in the bush they usually grow around old buildings and when you are going to saw it you will find deep red streaks in it.  (that's my 2 cents on it :) )
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SwampDonkey

Looks to me the but flare was cut off and lying in the pile beside it. I bet there was only this one log of any quality the rest is knotty and limbs from a yard grown tree. You can see the log there had been trimmed of lower limbs that healed over with bumps I think.
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Jemclimber

Please take a nice clear picture of the end grain and we'll give you a definitive answer. My telescope is not very powerful so I can only guess. My guess would be ash over Norway maple but a clear end grain shot will "put this to rest". (old saying)
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