New roof and additions at the Banjo house

[SAWMILL BUDDY]

Sweet Gum would be better than treated  :D :D :D

[Banjo picker]

How about an up date... Its been a while , but I have got some more done...I have had a couple of events that slowed me down a bit.... the worst was when my Mom passed the last day of 2012..... she was 94 and lived a good long life, but... you never are really ready for it to happen... My best buddy was there with me when she died...she liked about 30 mins. or so making 2013....

Then on a lesser scale...I had to rebuild the Perkins motor on my mill...I won't go into that on this thread...but here goes...

Here are the 4 x 12 beams getting put up.   

 

Pretty tough job for one ole man and his lady....but we got them up....

here is the way the back of the house looks now...I will also post a previous pic...

  

 
The old deck stopped just past the concrete steps... we added about 12 or so feet....

I decided that to put the tornado shelter on my existing slab by the grag. would waste too much space, so I poured 6 1/2 feet extention on the slab... I will only have to use about 2 foot of the existing slab for the safe room now...and I will have room to move one of my Willys in there to work on....

 

The new slab is 6" thick and has rebar on 1 ft. centers...I put in a few extra verticals to beef up the walls... they will be 8 in thick.... inside of the room will be  7 x 11...  I will drill in the verticals on the old slab and epoxy them in with some Hilti material....  That storm in Ok motivated me to get moving on this a little better...
When I get the tornado shelter finished...I will frame walls on the slabs and bring the existing roof over the top of it...so it can be accesed from the house without getting wet...  I will brick it when I am done....More to come

[justallan1]

A nice project and a great job, Banjo.

Allan

[Magicman]

First, I extend my Condolences to you and your family regarding the loss of your Mom. 

That extended roof was a nice addition Tim, and I share your concerns about these storms.  Pat and I just had a discussion yesterday about the safest place in our home.

[Banjo picker]

Got a little more done.  Drilled and epoxyed in the rest of the verticals.  Long rebar will tie to these short ones... but it is easier to work with till I get the inside forms up to only have the short ones there for now...The 2x4 s would not have been good enough for structural use...too many spike knots and the like, but plenty good enough to shoot down on the concrete to attach the forms too.

  

 

It felt good shooting the hilti again. 

I sold a pretty fair amount of my forms a while back, but I did keep several 2x3's and I have a lot of frames that can be used if I put new skins on them.  I went to the bone yard and got enough to just about finish it after I reskin them... Here is the inside forms... when I get them all set, I will deck out the top and tie the remaining rebar...


  

  

 

I should get the inside formed out tomorrow afternoon, will have to skin out a few forms...

I am going to build the door out of 1/4 steel...inside and out with some oak lumber sandwiched in between...I have and idea about how I can hang it, but I would like any comments about how it could be done....I'll have to lock into a system pretty quick....thanks Banjo

[Magicman]

Looks like you made good progress with the forms.   

[Banjo picker]

Thanks Lynn, Its about too hot to do anything this evening, maybe later on. Banjo

[Autocar]

Very nice ! I often wonder what we would do in a tornado also. No interior rooms and no cellar guess we could tie ourselves to a little hickory tree  :-\.

[Larry]

I am going to build the door out of 1/4 steel...inside and out with some oak lumber sandwiched in between...I have and idea about how I can hang it, but I would like any comments about how it could be done....I'll have to lock into a system pretty quick....thanks Banjo

I used ¾" pins, 3/8" hinge tabs, and the jam is 4" angle ½" thick.  3 hinges total.  Bolted the jam to the shelter walls.  I used 1-1/2" plywood for the core and 12 gauge for the skins.  Skins screwed and bolted to the plywood core.  Door sides were 3/16" channel.

The door was so heavy two of us could barely lift it.  Trying to hang it was impossible by hand, given the tight space in the safe room, so I used a strap with an engine hoist to get it close.  If I made another one I would weld an eye near the top of the door to attach the engine hoist.

The hinges worked well but you can tell it is really a heavy door when it swings shut.  Just like a bank vault.

Standard disclaimer...I haven't tested my door with an F-5 twister as of yet.  If it does fail you will never hear about it from me. :D :D :D

A picture while I was building it.

[beenthere]

No interior rooms and no cellar guess we could tie ourselves to a little hickory tree 

I'd likely head for the car to either stay put, or to drive hopefully away from the tornado.
I think being in a car, there would be no overhead beams and roof or debris that could fall on ones head, although the car may be tossed, tumbled and wrecked but with a seatbelt on, likely would be held in a reasonably safe area, and when rescue comes looking for bodies (alive or dead) they wouldn't have to dig around in a building. Just my thoughts and what I will do.

I get a charge out of the many tornado warnings and directions... "Go to a safe place". That is really brilliant, to say the least.  : :

[Banjo picker]

Autocar we were in pretty much the same situation.  We fretted about where to put some kind of shelter for a good while before we made up our mind to do it this way.. I think this will work for us.

Larry I thank you for the photo.  I will use that hinge design on ours as well when I get that far.  I got all the inside forms set and the shoring that will hold up the decking.  I will pour the walls and top all at one time.

beenthere: to each his own, but I don't think its recommended to be in a car in a tornado.  My grandparents lived in Guin Alabama when I was young, and I played ball with a young fellow my age when I visited them.  A tornado hit Guin in the early 1970's and Paul was in a car trying to get away form it... He didn't make it ... the tornado ripped him out of the car ... they found him later  hung in a tree dead....We had another killer tornado near here 2 years ago.. hit the small town of Smithville Miss.  Not too far from Guin.  Neither is very far from me.... Banjo

[Banjo picker]

I got all the rebar tied and some of the outside forms reskined.

 

[clww]

Looking good, Tim!

[Magicman]

Wow Tim, lotsa work.  I am anxious to see the pour.

[Banjo picker]

I placed the concrete two weeks ago yesterday (On a Friday)

  

 

I knew it wouldn't do to just say it was done with out picts.  I stripped the outside forms the first week, but won't take the shoreing out of the inside or pull any of the inside forms for one more week.  As I didn't make any cylinders. Protocall calls for 21 day wait on elevated slab without cylinders being broke.

I have placed thousands of yards of concrete, but this was the first time I just used a back hoe to do it with.  You can see where I had some gravel in the first pic.  Didn't really need it for the height, just wanted something there to remind me not to bump the forms too hard. 

Putting on the door is going to wait a while.  I am going ahead with the roof addition over this slab area now..  When finished I will have a bay to work on my Willys in... as a bonus

 

Ta ta for now... Banjo

[isawlogs]

 Been following this for a while, nice to be schooled on tornado shelters. If anything, that is less worry  for us up here. Snow load yes , tornadoes, not so much. 

  What type of roof typically goes on a tornado shelter...  ??? :P

[Banjo picker]

Marcel this one is about 9 inches of reinforced concrete...(rebar on one foot centers each way)... the walls are 8 inches thick.  In the previous post from July 14 you can see the inside forms and rebar in walls and going over the top.  There is 6 ft of forms setting on 2 inch saw mill boards shot down to the concrete.  Then there are 2 x 6 's setting on top of the forms...you cant see them because of the banding of 1/2 in ply wood around the perimeter. Then its decked out with more 1/2 ply wood.  The 2 x 6's are on 1 ft. centers... There is also a 4 x 6 down the middle for support... it is resting on 3 4 x 4's .. None of that comes out for one more week.

All said it is 6ft 8 1/2 inches clear when inside. 

[Banjo picker]

Well I got some more done on this project...My first post said I thought I could do it in a year....well that didn't happen!  But I am closer than I was...

 

4x12 beams with 2 x 6 celing joists...decking it out for future storage and to make it easier setting the rafters.... shelter is stripped out, and looks good..no honeycomb...

    Here it is with the rafters up on the new part and some of the lathing on...10/12 pitch aint no fun for a 58 year old guy to get around on.....


  Here it is with the tin on it....I am holding off on that piece of ridge cap until I get the end caps to seal up the fly rafters....

[Magicman]

Looking Good Tim.  I am with you on that "year" thing.  I figured 6 months on my Cabin Addition and I guess that it took a couple of years.

Keep on keeping on my Friend.   

[slider]

looking good Tim.I know where your at on the year thing,it took me about 4 yrs of on and off building our house and I still have stuff to do.  al

[Banjo picker]

Thanks guys.  It will probably take me 4 years to completely walk away and say I am done....If it took Lynn 2 years to get what he thought in 6 mo. I should have 4 years to get what I thought would take one.  It took me about 3 months on the shelter...and I have done one in a week before....But I did take my ever lovin time.  I am going to put red cedar on the gable end of the addition and under the new back porch as well as on the dormer.  I know I have enough drying in the barn to do the dormer and the gable... and I have some logs to cut some more for under the porch....I did get a door built for the garage where the dog kennel was propped up....red cedar....

    That's 2 x 10's on that end wall.....I am about out of pine...time to go to the woods and get some more....The only wood bought is some treated 2 x 6's for bottom plates.... 8)    The brick will take a while.. Banjo

[thecfarm]

Takes time to cut the trees,cut the logs and than build with them. Some people was having a fit that it was taking me so long to build the Women Cave. I call them talkers. They talk alot about how fast they could do it,but they don't offer to help. It's not like that is the only thing I had to do.

[Magicman]

Tim, I am sure that you have thought about Cedar and Carpenter Bees.

[Banjo picker]

I still work a 40 hr a week job for the great state of Miss myself, besides the custom sawing job that comes around ever now and again... I did have a buddy come over for 2 days when I was putting the bulk of the tin down...He was a great help on the ground , kept me from having to get down for every sheet... Yes Lynn I have carpenter bees around here...when they were in their heyday mating I killed about 50 with a tennis racket in the barn loft...kinda fun...I am gona build some traps for the little fellows for next year.  Didn't someone on the forum build some this year?   

   There is the door I finally built and a sampling of my brick laying skill.  Banjo

[thecfarm]

Brick laying skills are nice. Mighty nice.
WDh had the traps. I hope they are working good for him.