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Title: Double cut band saw blades
Post by: black on June 12, 2015, 03:57:46 PM
I have looked at the double cut band saw blades and was wondering if any one has experience with them?
Is it only the crown that keep them on in both directions?
Could they be sharpened and set on standard machines?
Any info/input will be appreciated.
Title: Re: Double cut band saw blades
Post by: dustyhat on June 12, 2015, 07:36:49 PM
been wondering the same thing.
Title: Re: Double cut band saw blades
Post by: 4x4American on June 12, 2015, 07:45:15 PM
I was wondering the same thing myself!
Title: Re: Double cut band saw blades
Post by: Nomad on June 12, 2015, 08:52:11 PM
     I think you're talking a whole different animal, and a whole different kind of machine.  Only thing they have in common is both using a band.
Title: Re: Double cut band saw blades
Post by: Andre on June 12, 2015, 09:49:16 PM
I think they are talking something like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHQJrdNbgUQ

I have no experience with them but I got a feeling that until you have optimized almost all other variables there are better ways to spend money.
Guessing they need a very solid rigid mill to work at all.
Title: Re: Double cut band saw blades
Post by: gww on June 12, 2015, 11:15:16 PM
I must say that vidio is of an impressive machine.
gww
Title: Re: Double cut band saw blades
Post by: bandmiller2 on June 13, 2015, 07:23:29 AM
I'am not the sharpest tool in the shed but I'am sure our sharpeners and setters could be easily modified to handle double teeth. Now this is something for a sawmill shootoff best single cut vs. same size double cut, advantage may not be all that great if you consider extra costs and problems. I believe saw guides basically give up and down stability, front to back only if you hit something or push a dull band. Frank C.
Title: Re: Double cut band saw blades
Post by: Brad_S. on June 13, 2015, 07:48:16 AM
Those are not inch and a half bands, those are at least four and more likely 6 inches wide.
Title: Re: Double cut band saw blades
Post by: Andre on June 13, 2015, 09:21:56 AM
Here is some interesting reading.
https://archive.org/details/bandsawguidebook00simo

Bit dated, copyright 1921, talks of doublecut blades being made as narrow as 8 inches.

Title: Re: Double cut band saw blades
Post by: Ron Wenrich on June 13, 2015, 09:39:39 AM
Details on that particular mill is that it's a 6" blade and runs a 115 hp John Deere diesel.  I'm not real impressed by the sawing techniques used in the videos, especially for hardwoods. 

Twin Cut makes a circle mill that cuts in both directions. 
Title: Re: Double cut band saw blades
Post by: red oaks lumber on June 13, 2015, 06:56:04 PM
i looked into a double cut and after alot of head scratching i decided it wasn't worth the money. ie: the blades are close to $300/ blade,the sharping/setting eq. was close to $35000,if your grade sawing you have to stop after every cut to clear the cant to see the grade. aside from all that i thought if double cuts were the way to go why dosent wood mizer have one? there are alot of smaller things that can increase production all the while using a single cut blade for alot smaller dollar amount :)
Title: Re: Double cut band saw blades
Post by: sandsawmill14 on June 13, 2015, 07:18:46 PM
 i agree with red oak on that one  we gave some serious thought to one of the selects but you can buy a cooper scragg cheaper :D and cut a lot more lumber :)
Title: Re: Double cut band saw blades
Post by: bandmiller2 on June 13, 2015, 08:43:44 PM
When you get into those bands you need a saw room with someone that knows how to service them. I am constantly amazed at what and how much the bands we use cut, and the long service from them. Frank C.
Title: Re: Double cut band saw blades
Post by: Ron Wenrich on June 13, 2015, 11:44:25 PM
I was in a hardwood mill in Canada that used 2 headrigs that had double cut bands.  Sounded like mosquitoes.  They live sawed and only turned the log one time.  Everything went through an edger.  They were doing about 100 Mbf per day.