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Re: Birch Regeneration
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2021, 10:21:10 AM »
It think in our virgin Minnesota forests, there was a lot of yellow birch. It seems to have been a somewhat important secondary commercial species at the time. I'm not sure why, but it didn't seem to reseed and come back as it is pretty rare. Some harvest sites we'll see it, it is typically deserved in the contract. A lot of our harvester guys don't even realize it's a different species. I'll ask them, "are we supposed to be cutting the yellow birch out here?", looking at a grapple full of harvested yellow birch. "What yellow birch?"😂😂 In fact, I've never been able to get ahold of any yellow birch logs to put on the Mizer, the stuff we cut is typically poor quality. There is a apparently a lot of it laying at the bottom of the harbor in Duluth, where there were large sawmills back in the virgin logging boom.
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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2021, 10:36:30 AM »
Around here alot of our old clearcuts or heavy thinning have come back to dense black birch stands hasn't been long enough to see what will eventually happen but they are almost a monoculture. come In right along with the Blackberrys etc.

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« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2021, 11:01:33 AM »
This one is documented in Great Trees of New Brunswick, but by no means the biggest, there's others 16" bigger in diameter. This one is close to 28" now.





Gotta look up to see the yellow bark. :D



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« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2021, 11:03:15 AM »
It definitely gets a different look than white birch as it ages.
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« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2021, 01:53:24 PM »
20" white birch.









That undergrowth is beeeeeech!! :D
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« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2021, 05:07:05 PM »
We get some pretty nice white birch on some sites. It tends to do better over towards Lake Superior. The biggest, clearest white birch I've ever seen was over that way, where the ground is a red iron tinted gravel and ledge rock. Beautiful Spruce and Birch, whereas the balsam at 4" was completely hollow🤷‍♂️ So I don't know if it is the cooler, milder lake effect micro- climate or the soil. Or a combination of those factors. I'm not a forester😊
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« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2021, 05:34:51 PM »
Site probably. I've seen white birch grow nice on wetter ground sometimes. Not ideal site. But the fir can't take wet and if over topped by the birch, even worst. :D But on a raised spot in there out of the wet a fir can grow to be 20". Sneaky buggers. ;D But a lot of the birch on wet land here is grey birch. Seen one mill owner thin a lot of grey birch on wet ground. It's just a big shrub, but looks a lot like white birch. But leaves are deltoid and male catkins are singles and bark is tight to the trunk, not shedding. Fir definitely needs thinned and more than once but on the better sites. Waste of time on wet ground.
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« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2021, 10:14:27 PM »
Used to get peeler cores from Columbia Forest Products for firewood.  Lots of folks used them for fence posts and they actually did OK.  Made for great firewood.  Had to pay for those.  On the other hand they would deliver for free the butt flare cut offs.  Ummm - yea, there is a reason they gave those away.  For sure they provided plenty of BTU's, only probem was those BTU's were provided while attempting to get those butt flares into some sort of firewood sized chunk of wood.  
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« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2021, 02:54:23 AM »
I'm surprised they even allowed but flare wood through the gate. It had to be bucked for grade on the landing up here or it was never loaded on the truck. They had their own truck hired to come get your logs.

Yellow birch is great firewood, right up there with sugar maple. Up in this region we have very little oak at all for firewood. Beech used to be great, but hard to find any that isn't mostly rotten because of disease. It's doing a number on my yard beech, slowly killing it.
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« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2021, 10:14:41 AM »
Maybe it was the distance? This was out of the Presque Isle plant by the airport. 
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« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2021, 10:41:13 AM »
Maybe it was the distance? This was out of the Presque Isle plant by the airport.
Same buyer as here, we dealt with Rick Bouche. That's 40 minutes away. Dan Morrisey did the trucking, he lives in Bairdsville, NB.
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« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2021, 12:13:26 PM »
I'm surprised they even allowed but flare wood through the gate. It had to be bucked for grade on the landing up here or it was never loaded on the truck. They had their own truck hired to come get your logs.

Yellow birch is great firewood, right up there with sugar maple. Up in this region we have very little oak at all for firewood. Beech used to be great, but hard to find any that isn't mostly rotten because of disease. It's doing a number on my yard beech, slowly killing it.
For me, a good element of a quality firewood is ease of splitting. Using a splitter is a pain. Birch is just a pleasure to split with an axe. So much better than oak.
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« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2021, 12:23:43 PM »
I don't know, not much splits nicer than straight grained red oak.
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« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2021, 12:54:34 PM »
I don't know, not much splits nicer than straight grained red oak.
I see. Maybe I had a bad experience. It was stringy, and just solid as a rock. No chance at all with a maul, and the splitter was slow due to it being so stringy. Maybe it was the type of oak, or the time of year, or the size of it or something.
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« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2021, 12:58:06 PM »
Around here I would say you fell for the old "give him a piece of gum" trick.

Whoomp, whoomp, whump, whump, thud, maul falls to the ground, guy is exhausted. Me "Oh look, you have a dent started, keep going, swing harder".
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« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2021, 01:00:02 PM »
Around here I would say you fell for the old "give him a piece of gum" trick.

Whoomp, whoomp, whump, whump, thud, maul falls to the ground, guy is exhausted. Me "Oh look, you have a dent started, keep going, swing harder".
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It came from my own yard, so that isn’t it. But you are describing my experience in very vivid detail :)
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« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2021, 01:26:58 PM »
Trees from the white oak family are stringy and horrid to split. Red oak pops open nice and clean, except around knots and crotches. 
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« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2021, 01:47:52 PM »
Yellow birch is harder to split then white birch. White birch needs little effort to split.
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« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2021, 02:01:47 PM »
Most white birch, I have into butt logs where the grain is curly and they were tough to split. But yes, usually the hardest splitting part of white birch is the bark👍🏻
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« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2021, 03:13:07 PM »
Yellow birch is real twisty grain to split up this way. Just as tough as sugar maple. On some real old trees, you can see the spiral twist in it just from the bark. :D I remember big white birch left behind in piles roadside on crown lands. Great big logs. Well, in an area full of camps and DNR camp grounds that disappeared quick years back. :D
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