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Re: Anybody use a drum sander?
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2008, 10:02:03 AM »
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Does the 22-44 have any problems with accuracy on large panels   

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Re: Anybody use a drum sander?
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2022, 01:40:14 AM »
Who has Woodmaster 50 drum sander single or double.  Or anything else 35 wide or bigger.  Likes and dislikes. From previous readings some seem to think drums are a hobby unit and are junk. Then others seem to love them and use them in business everyday. Lets hear it!!

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Re: Anybody use a drum sander?
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2022, 10:30:22 AM »
I know a good wide belt sander is irreplaceable, but it was not an option for us re: budget and space. We opted for the Laguna 25/50 drum sander and we've used the heck out it. It can't be used to take big bites and is slow, but when used correctly it saves a lot of hand sanding. Everything that comes off the jointer and planer that will be used in our shop goes through it.

I've been around and used a 50" Woodmaster double drum, wow, what a great sander. It is on a whole different level than our Laguna, definitely a commercial machine.
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Re: Anybody use a drum sander?
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2022, 12:40:57 PM »
I picked up a Laguna 25/50 last year. Once I got through the learning phase it has performed nicely. As said above, multiple small passes work the best.

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Re: Anybody use a drum sander?
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2022, 01:26:45 PM »
Who has Woodmaster 50 drum sander single or double.  Or anything else 35 wide or bigger.  Likes and dislikes. From previous readings some seem to think drums are a hobby unit and are junk. Then others seem to love them and use them in business everyday. Lets hear it!!
I have a 52" three head Timesavers.  Combined HP is around 100.  
It might be a little quicker than a Woodmaster...
Wide belts are nice compared with drum sanders because it only takes a couple of minutes to change grits.
Previously I had a 25hp EMC 37" wide belt.  
HP is king when it comes to a WBS.  A platen model will provide a much nicer finish.
A few months back an equipment dealer in NC had a combination top and bottom sanding planer for sale for around 10K.  It was an industrial rated piece of equipment and well suited for slabs.
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« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2022, 04:34:48 PM »
I did talk to Mark at Woodmaster and one thing he said that has me thinking between the single vs double drum sander is there is a outfit back East that makes a wire brush for the dual drum machine. For the brushed grain look on the wood. What a lot of guys are doing and its not designed for is flattening slabs running them through there 40-50 times and more 😂

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Re: Anybody use a drum sander?
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2022, 10:08:49 PM »
The 22-44 that I purchased has never tripped in the three years that I have been using it.  And I would use it for hours at a time.  

I have a 16-32 and most times I want to throw it across the yard  >:(  >:(  >:(
I thought the cuircuit breaker thing was something wrong with my machine, until I contacted Performax.

Does the 22-44 have any problems with accuracy on large panels  ??? ???
I have the 22-44 going on 16 years. I only do wood working as a hobby mostly, but have done lots of stuff that people have requested. I have tripped it maybe a half dozen times in all and that was my fault for not paying attention by trying to take off too much in one pass or having it set to low on first pass. I buy rolls of paper from Klingspor. All in all, I like this machine. I did have the 16-32 before but needed the wider one for panels. bg

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Re: Anybody use a drum sander?
« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2022, 06:12:55 PM »
Funny this topic was near the top today.  I was just looking into drum sanders.  I'm sort of focusing in on the Supermax 19-38.  What is interesting is the intellidrive feature.  As the loading goes up, it can slow the feed and visa versa.
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Re: Anybody use a drum sander?
« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2022, 07:57:20 AM »
Brad, thats why mine hasnt tripped. 
I only have ever used 120 grit paper on mine. Its enough to remove the planer marks from the spiral head and prep the surface for sanding with the ROS. 

Oh, and an 1/8 turn of the height adjustment wheel seems to be the sweet spot for 120 grit 
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Re: Anybody use a drum sander?
« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2022, 11:06:24 AM »
I have the Supermax 25-50.  The intellidrive works well.  If you overload it, the intellidrive slows the infeed down.  I use it mostly to sand wood cookies using 40 grit.  Works very well for that. I have sold hundreds of sanded wood cookies that would be impossible to sand the end grain smooth with hand held sanders in any reasonable timeframe.  Sanding the cookies really makes a difference in customer preference. I can raise the price for sanding the cookies and make a hourly rate for running the equipment and for my time doing it. 

I have also found, like Chris, that a 1/8th turn on the adjustment wheel is the sweet spot for me too.  
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Re: Anybody use a drum sander?
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2022, 10:08:05 AM »
Brad, thats why mine hasnt tripped.
I only have ever used 120 grit paper on mine. Its enough to remove the planer marks from the spiral head and prep the surface for sanding with the ROS.

Oh, and an 1/8 turn of the height adjustment wheel seems to be the sweet spot for 120 grit
X2, I run my 25-50 exactly the same. 
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« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2022, 08:43:56 PM »
One of the advantages of a widebelt is the belt oscillates.  Jet has a 22-44 single drum sander that oscillates, I think they are the only one.  I've used it in a craft school and it worked fine.  I thought the oscillation made it a lot better machine.

I had a double drum 24" Grizzly.  Hated it because it was slow, poor dust collection, sandpaper was hard to change, forget working through the grits, poorly built, and did I mention slow?  Had it all of 6 months.

Last year I found a used but like new Grizzly 15-30 wide belt.  Actually I found several good ones for less than new drum sanders but they were a few hundred miles away.  It works great and I can swap belts in 30 seconds.  Dust collection is good and it is accurate.  The one limitation is it has 5 horsepower which is under powered.  This restricts speed and how much can be removed in one pass.  If I need production work or something wider a couple of local cabinet shops rent time on big widebelts at a reasonable rate.  This is a great solution for me.

If I ever add room to the shop a large widebelt will be installed.

Larry, making useful and beautiful things out of the most environmental friendly material on the planet.

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« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2022, 12:36:51 AM »
Took me a bit to figure out ROS = Random Orbit Sander.  Knowing it works for cookies makes it even more useful for me.   Just after writing that post, I found a brand new Supermax 19-38 on marketplace.  It had the digital height gage, and extra sanding rolls.  I got it for about $400 less than if I bought a new one at woodcraft or other retailer(not shipping fee or tax).  They are $1999 right now, but are due to go up as soon as they work through their current inventory.
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« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2022, 07:52:23 AM »
Thanks for reminding me Brad. 
Ive been thinking about adding a digital height gauge to my sander and planer. 
Wixey makes one. Has anyone done this? 

https://www.amazon.com/Wixey-WR550-Remote-Planer-Readout/dp/B0054RJ7AS/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=46GHN4VI6SJZ&keywords=wixey+height+gauge+planer&qid=1661255729&sprefix=wixey+height+gauge+planer%2Caps%2C77&sr=8-3
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Re: Anybody use a drum sander?
« Reply #34 on: August 23, 2022, 10:57:45 AM »
Wixeys on both my 13 DC-33 planer and 25-50 sander. Game changer for sure on both machines.
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« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2022, 03:21:25 PM »
I have a Wixey on my 25-50, worth every penny.
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Re: Anybody use a drum sander?
« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2022, 07:09:01 AM »
Glad to read the comments about Performax 16/32. I thought it was just my machine but several of you have the same problem. It does fine, IF you've got the time.
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Re: Anybody use a drum sander?
« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2022, 05:58:23 AM »
Ive got a Performax 16/32 that I dont use any more . It works fine but I find Im not using it enough to keep it around .

Was great for sanding picture frames when I was into those .

Im ready to let it go real cheap 

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Re: Anybody use a drum sander?
« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2022, 08:05:05 AM »
Note:  If you want to sell your sander via the Forum, you must post an Ad in the For Sale Board and follow the rules.  The PM system has been used in the past to skirt the rules and should not be used, although there is no way to know if you do , so you are on the Honor System. 
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« Reply #39 on: September 09, 2022, 08:53:40 AM »
Just a note.if I burn a belt and it still is sharp I have a pvc pipe about 5 x 24 that I wrap the damaged paper on , spring clip both ends and spray with purple power. ,Walmart, and let it sit for a bit and use a stiff brush to clean it up. Rinderpest off with hot water and it is good to go again. Dan
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