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General Forestry => Tree, Plant and Wood I.D. => Topic started by: dirtmover1250 on April 22, 2015, 07:01:47 PM

Title: help identifying tree
Post by: dirtmover1250 on April 22, 2015, 07:01:47 PM
my neighbor has this maple tree but we are both unsure of what it is. it makes a very unique color in the fall, and from what ive noticed of branches falling out of it once in a while, the wood is very dense and heavy.

right now its making some long stringy looking seeds and some small leaves


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/39431/IMAG2200.jpg)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/39431/IMAG2199.jpg)




**EDIT: could a mod help me out, i didnt notice there was a tree ID forum. Could someone move this thread please?
Title: Re: help identifying tree
Post by: Stu Redman on May 04, 2015, 07:57:26 AM
You need a close-up of the foliage, and the flowers, if present. Just from looking at the bark, I'd guess Acer rubrum.
Title: Re: help identifying tree
Post by: Magicman on May 04, 2015, 09:11:23 AM
Welcome to the Forestry Forum, Stu Redman. 
Title: Re: help identifying tree
Post by: dirtmover1250 on May 10, 2015, 06:24:23 PM
here it is with foliage. its making helicopters like the rest of the maples.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/39431/IMAG2261.jpg)
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/39431/IMAG2260.jpg)
Title: Re: help identifying tree
Post by: beenthere on May 10, 2015, 06:44:12 PM
Looks to be a maple leaf.  ;)

Lobes don't look like red (Acer rubrum) however.
Title: Re: help identifying tree
Post by: dirtmover1250 on May 10, 2015, 07:29:45 PM
what kind of maple though?
Title: Re: help identifying tree
Post by: Stevens520 on May 10, 2015, 08:09:24 PM
The bark is screaming sugar maple, but those leaves look a little strange.
Title: Re: help identifying tree
Post by: WDH on May 10, 2015, 08:10:29 PM
It is sugar maple.  Red maple or silver maple has teeth between the lobes.  On sugar maple, the margins of the lobes are smooth. 
Title: Re: help identifying tree
Post by: dirtmover1250 on May 10, 2015, 08:18:43 PM
i thought this one was a sugar maple?

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/39431/IMAG2263.jpg)
Title: Re: help identifying tree
Post by: Ron Scott on May 10, 2015, 10:41:13 PM
Yes, to sugar (hard) maple.
Title: Re: help identifying tree
Post by: WDH on May 11, 2015, 07:41:15 AM
Notice in both pics that the leaf margins between the lobes is entire (smooth). 
Title: Re: help identifying tree
Post by: wdmn on May 11, 2015, 08:45:35 AM
The other picture (where you say "i thought this one was a sugar maple") looks more like Acer platanoides aka "Norway Maple"... It was widely planted in urban forests around the NE... not sure if that holds for Indiana. But cultivars with a purplish tint to the leaves are common.

There are a couple ways to tell for sure if you're not confident: the shape of the keys is one (on norway pretty much a horizontal key, on sugar more of a horseshoe); but easier for me to explain is that if you pick a leaf from a norway maple, the petiole (stem) will exude a white latex which is not present in any of our native maples (at least here in the east).
Title: Re: help identifying tree
Post by: beenthere on May 11, 2015, 01:59:58 PM
Picked a leaf off my Norway maple which gets referred to as Schwedler maple as well as Norway.

The leaf petiole exuded the milky latex. Here is the leaf but cannot see the small drop of white sap at the end.


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10180/Scan_20150511_28229.jpg)
Title: Re: help identifying tree
Post by: dirtmover1250 on May 12, 2015, 05:48:16 PM
the tree with the dark color leaves stay that way year around. there is no green on them at the beginning of the year. so i dont think its a norway maple.
Title: Re: help identifying tree
Post by: beenthere on May 12, 2015, 05:51:47 PM
I'm not following what you are saying. Prolly not your fault..  ;D
Title: Re: help identifying tree
Post by: wdmn on May 12, 2015, 07:02:20 PM
A bit confusing... beenthere, I think he's seen the photo you posted and now thinks the platanoides has to start out the year green or something like that..

Dirtmover, A. platanoides has many cultivars (varieties bred for certain attributes), including several that have the colour in your photograph... these trees keep that colour all year round. They are the same species as what beenthere posted, just a different cultivar. A cultivar is denoted by: '   '... so for example Acer platanoides 'Crimson King.'

Here are some similar images to the one you posted:

http://www.bluerivernursery.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/f/i/file_349.jpg
http://www.lightscapes.info/onewithnature/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Norway-Maple-Acer-platanoides-Crimson-King-Leaf.jpg


etc...


Title: Re: help identifying tree
Post by: WDH on May 12, 2015, 08:14:56 PM
I don't think that the leaf in the first pic in this thread has enough lobes to be norway maple. 
Title: Re: help identifying tree
Post by: wdmn on May 12, 2015, 09:02:00 PM
WDH I completely agree; I was referring to his second picture where he says, "I thought this was sugar maple"...

Title: Re: help identifying tree
Post by: Billbob on May 24, 2015, 03:42:12 PM
My opinion is that it is sugar maple.  I have lots of them in my woodlot.
Title: Re: help identifying tree
Post by: wdmn on May 24, 2015, 06:50:18 PM
Yes, most everyone has agreed that it's sugar maple.

However, the third post with pictures, where the text says, "I thought this one was a sugar maple..." is, without doubt, a norway maple, Acer platanoides.