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Started by Ken Malone, November 11, 2024, 03:30:22 PM

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fluidpowerpro

My experience has been that 4 posts is much better than 2. When I say 4 posts, its 4 posts to support the whole carriage plus 2 posts that the saw head rides up an down on. This is like whats done on the Hud-son Oscar series of saws. 
Change is hard....
Especially when a jar full of it falls off the top shelf and hits your head!

Local wind direction is determined by how I park my mill.

Ljohnsaw

I have 4 posts and 4 ACME screws. I made some brackets that wrap 3/4 of the way around the uprights. I tucked in some 1/2" thick blocks of UHMW plastic for a low friction fit. It's definitely not a precision fit. IMO, it is fine to wobble about. It's the height that is critical that it be robust.

You can see one behind my scale.

The scale is magnetically stuck to the post with a toggle clamp at the bottom.
John Sawicky

Just North-East of Sacramento...

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Genie S45
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Home Built 42" capacity/36" cut Bandmill up to 54' long - using it all to build a timber frame cabin.

Ken Malone


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fluidpowerpro

I like the 1 HP per tooth in the wood analogy but I think you really need to define cutting speed along with it. 
I have cut a 36" red oak log with my 16 HP mill at an "ok" speed but would love more HP to go faster.
What I think is "ok" I'm sure would be unacceptable to others.
It would be interesting to know what manufacturers use to estimate cutting speed per HP, cutting width, species and blade characteristics. 
I know there are more variables but those are probably the biggies.
Change is hard....
Especially when a jar full of it falls off the top shelf and hits your head!

Local wind direction is determined by how I park my mill.

jpassardi

My personal experience: I upgraded from a Kohler 15 HP to a Kohler 25 HP. I forget the exact numbers but it was about a 40% increase in torque. It cut like a different mill right away, especially in wide cuts. I can now feed quick enough that I'm not making fine powder sawdust on wider hardwood cuts.
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Ken Malone

I got some 1" 6 tpi acme rod but having a hard time finding nuts for it. any suggestions? I'm in Nova Scotia and there are very few options locally.moose herder id like to see more picks of your complete acme set up if I could.Thanks.oh I scrolled back and see all your pictures.

Mooseherder

Here is how mine is attached on both sides with steel plate. 

fluidpowerpro

I was going to suggest Surplus Center but they only show 7/8 -6 . Are you sure it's 1"?
Change is hard....
Especially when a jar full of it falls off the top shelf and hits your head!

Local wind direction is determined by how I park my mill.

beenthere

A reasonably good, competent machinist can make the "nut" for your threaded rod.

Have you looked at McMaster-Carr for what they might have?
https://www.mcmaster.com/products/nuts/lead-screws-and-nuts~/acme-lead-screws-and-nuts/?s=acme+nuts
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ladylake

Quote from: Ken Malone on November 22, 2024, 05:26:41 PMI got some 1" 6 tpi acme rod but having a hard time finding nuts for it. any suggestions?
Try Roton, they have  all sizes at good prices.  You want to use a bronze acme nut, last way longer.  Steve
Timberking B20  18000  hours +  Case75xt grapple + forks+8" snow bucket + dirt bucket   770 Oliver   Lots(too many) of chainsaws, Like the Echo saws and the Stihl and Husky     W5  Case loader   1  trailers  Wright sharpener     Suffolk  setter Volvo MCT125c skid loader

Ken Malone

Ordered bronze nuts from Roton. Thanks everybody for sugestions. This is the best source for info .I have found. Great to get advice from people who know what there talking about.

Ken Malone

Do I need a centrifugal clutch on the motor to drive wheel or just an adjustable idler pulley to engage blade

jpassardi

A lever engaged idler pulley is less expensive and less prone to wear out but either will work.
LT15 W/Trailer, Log Turner, Power Feed & up/down
CAT 416 Backhoe W/ Self Built Hydraulic Thumb and Forks
Husky 372XP, 550XPG, 60, 50,   WM CBN Sharpener & Setter
40K # Excavator, Bobcat 763, Kubota RTV 900
Orlan Wood Gasification Boiler -Slab Disposer

Ken Malone


Ken Malone

Any suggestions to pull y ratio and motor size to run acme rods up and down. Using 6 tpi 1" acme.

Ljohnsaw

A lot of trial and error for the sprocket sizes. Mine is dual speed via a 12/24 VDC switching. Since you are using 6tpi, I would make a guess that you will probably want to raise at 1"/second at the fastest. So the ACME rod will need to spin about 360 rpm for quick moves and be able to slow down to half that to hit your mark via voltage or a PWM controller.

I have tiny (12 tooth?) sprockets on the rods all connected in a loop. Then a larger sprocket on two on the left side. A smaller loop of chain hooks those to the wheelchair motor. I changed the sprocket on the motor a couple times until I liked the speed and power.

Here is an early picture of the setup with just one rod connected to the motor.

The big sprocket got moved to the motor and replaced with a slightly smaller one.,
John Sawicky

Just North-East of Sacramento...

SkyTrak 9038
Ford 545D FEL
Genie S45
Davis Little Monster backhoe
Case 16+4 Trencher
Home Built 42" capacity/36" cut Bandmill up to 54' long - using it all to build a timber frame cabin.

ladylake

 My mill uses a 1/2 hp 56c motor mounted to a 5 to 1 right angle gearbox with about a 6" no 40 sprocket driving 1 1'4 5 tooth per inch acme screws. The sprockets on the screws are the same size as the gearbox sprocket.  That works out to about 350 RPM on the acme screw. Mine is 5 tpi with  6 tp I'd shoot for 400 RPM Steve 
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Ken Malone

Now on to idler to engage the drive wheel. Any suggestions and picks would be much appreciated.

Mooseherder

Mine is direct drive unfortunately.  I've got my mill tarped up for winter now. We got about 8 inches of snow for Thanksgiving.

Ken Malone

No snow yet here in Nova Scotia but she's a comin

Hilltop366

I can wait a little longer (a lot longer really) for snow here on the Southwest end of NS, what area are you in Ken?

I wonder how well a riding mower transaxle would hold up as they are not made to use most of the power the engine produces as most of the power is required for the blades, the drive belt is often the weak link but some models are more prone shaping axles or breaking teeth off a trans gear then the gear tooth lays over and jambs in the next go round and forces the case apart. Generally a yard and garden tractor have much tougher transaxles than a riding mower.

Ken Malone

Hey hilltop Ken here in upper nine mile river.

I picked up a 14 1/2 briggs horizontal shaft and going to run mill with belt and manual idler pulley.
Just about ready to give her a try.

Ken Malone

Is a compression spring needed on the blade tensioner? I was told it is a must but I'm not sure.

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