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Offline Bruno of NH

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Set up advice
« on: April 02, 2021, 05:03:31 PM »
I got a big order of 8x8 's to do later this month.
8' to 16'long 
How would you folks set up to do this .
I want to keep the hand work as easy as o can.
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Re: Set up advice
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2021, 06:19:05 PM »
Bruno,

   I am not real sure I understand the question. Are you sawing mobile or stationary? Are they your logs or the customers? I'm assuming you are saving the side lumber. 

    If I were sawing at home with no help and had the options I'd saw in order of longest to shortest. I'd offload the side lumber off the rear of my mill onto the forks of my little FEL on my tractor and the timber on to the back of trailer I had backed up to the mill. As I finished each 8X8 I would lift the rear toeboard and roll each completed timber directly on to the trailer till I finished or had a load, whichever came first.
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Re: Set up advice
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2021, 07:42:44 PM »
I would also saw the longest first. Because if the long one doesn't pan out on one end, usually the top of the tree end, then I cut it back to a shorter one. If you have all the shorter ones done then you're not cutting towards the order.
I would cut side one and roll twice and cut side three to make the log 8" wide. Then when cutting sides 2 and 4 you're making either 1x8 or 2x8.
Sometimes I leave a board or plank on side one and or side three, in case of stress in the log and come back to that face after doing the opposite face to finish it to size. Hopefully releasing the stress evenly.
Just some of my thoughts on the subject.
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Re: Set up advice
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2021, 09:04:46 PM »
I kick them off on the log stop side of the mill using the two plane clamp for the most part.  If just a few they fall onto forklift forks.  If a bunch I set up ramps for the timbers to fall on.  Doing it this way its a one man job and I never touch a timber.  It's pretty fast also.

I drag back slabs and side lumber.



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Re: Set up advice
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2021, 07:45:16 AM »
And this problem is why timbers are as much if not more than the price of lumber.
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Re: Set up advice
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2021, 07:56:09 AM »
When I do 12 x12x I put a few logs on the deck and leave the loader right there. After the side lumber is taken off the square 12 x 12 is put back on the log deck and a new log put in front of it.

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Re: Set up advice
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2021, 08:33:06 AM »
And this problem is why timbers are as much if not more than the price of lumber.
I learned this very early in my sawing business. 
Some folks want a big discount for timbers .
They think it's alot less work.
That is so wrong in many ways. Moving 8x8's around is not like moving a 2x8 off the mill.
Then you have the side lumber to deal with.
I like doing it while I go , not waiting till the end of the job.
I have done much to boost my production since the first of the year.
I'm changing the mill yard around after mud season and the mill will go on a concrete pad.
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Re: Set up advice
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2021, 09:31:32 AM »
When doing the real big stuff, I raise the loader arms about halfway, and use the log clamp moving backwards and upward to flip and reverse roll and kick the big cant or even log half if Im quartersawing back to land the loader arms.  Then I drop the arms and the piece lays on the two cross ties I use as a log deck, which elevates it enough for me to easily get under it with forks.  I pick the piece up with the loader and then put on a new log.  Its not real fast, but its pretty fast and takes zero hand work, besides stepping in and out of the loader a lot of times.
  

If you want to get fully automated, Baker has a cant kicker setup that automatically ejects cross ties and such.  
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Re: Set up advice
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2021, 09:43:25 PM »
Roller table off the tail of the mill. You might have to make a table that fits on the mill so you can push the short ones off. 
This way you can load up the log deck with logs. Handling each beam individually would be too time consuming in my opinion. I'll have to draw up what I'm thinking. I'm not the best splainer.
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Re: Set up advice
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2021, 09:52:48 PM »
I'm doing timbers now, and for the next six weeks. I place the log on the mill. Slabs go on the ground on the loader side. Boards either get dragged back to the edger, or stacked behind the mill. I take the timber off the mill, stack it, and get another log. You can just see the board pile behind the head.



 
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Re: Set up advice
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2021, 10:00:25 PM »
I use the same method as yellowhammer now. It's a bit slow one log at a time but it's the easiest way on your body.  My back has not been the same since a 17,000 bf 8x8 hemlock beam order 4 years ago when I thought I was indestructible and used a more physical method.

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Re: Set up advice
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2021, 11:08:37 PM »
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Re: Set up advice
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2021, 09:29:14 PM »
You have to charge less for timbers because that's less cuts! [ so I have been told by customers]


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