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Bachas? (log bassin)
« on: June 29, 2019, 03:24:52 PM »
Hi everybody. 

Well, with the brand new chinese 372xp, i thought i could tackle this. It's an alpine log bassin, called over here a "bachas" a friend asked for this. 

I'm doing the W type cut, and removing the pieces with a crowbar etc. 

Just, it's hot hot hot here for the moment. 99/100Fį at 5000ft elevation, it's way too hot for me. 

If any of you has a trick, to do this easier. I'm all ears.  

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Re: Bachas? (log bassin)
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2019, 03:50:17 PM »
100 degrees F is way too hot for me to be tackling anything like that! Good luck with your endeavour.
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Re: Bachas? (log bassin)
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2019, 04:15:25 PM »
i did that to the bottom of a maple stump table for my wife.  first taking chunks like you with a chainsaw.  then got an attachment to go on the end of the bar with a planer head that really smoothed things out.  mine is not seen.  what is the "bachas" used for?  Looks like a water trough?  what kind of wood.  
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Re: Bachas? (log bassin)
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2019, 04:21:32 PM »
here it is, and i know there are other brands, copies.



 

this goes on a chainsaw and is driven by the chain.  a good use for a chain that is worn out cutter wise.  I am sure this can be had on line.  It looks like it could really chew stuff up so be careful. it worked well for my similar purpose.  



 

I bet there are some you tube videos.

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Re: Bachas? (log bassin)
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2019, 04:27:42 PM »
Thanks a lot guys.

Doc, a bachas is usualy used for retaining water in front of an "alpage" an altitude summer shack for shepherds and cow guards. Mainly associated with a small spring. It is not realy a water trough. It can be but is used more for humans. 
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Re: Bachas? (log bassin)
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2019, 04:30:14 PM »
Make series of plunge cuts across the grain. The closer together the better. Make your ripping cuts also spaced closely. Youíre left with a lot of small cubes with short grain that can be popped out easily. When you get close to finished depth clean up with nose of the saw (carefully avoiding a kick back). A small adze would be helpful at the finishing stage.
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Re: Bachas? (log bassin)
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2019, 04:32:06 PM »
Interesting project.
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Re: Bachas? (log bassin)
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2019, 04:33:01 PM »
i tried to google, but in France, it was a commune or a bay in the Atlantic ocean.  thanks, let us know how it is going and love to see a pic when it is done.  an adze "wood" work also but not sure of your resources/desire to work hard or easy.  Sante'
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Re: Bachas? (log bassin)
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2019, 04:34:49 PM »
Satamax
Do you live near Val d'isere? I spent a couple weeks skiing there at a camp back in '72! The French alps are incredible!!
The easiest way to make your project would be to:
1: cut abt. 3 or 4 inches off of both ends of the log. Very carefully.
2: cut 4 heavy slabs off of the remaining log.
3: set aside one slab and center cant
4: glue, screw, nail or whatever you prefer the slabs back together and put the end cuts back on.
5: get back in the shade and have a kronenburg then another for me

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Re: Bachas? (log bassin)
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2019, 04:40:54 PM »
Thatís a plan! 

With todayís high performance polyurethane glues you could just glue it back together and it would look like it was still a solid log that had been hollowed out.
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Re: Bachas? (log bassin)
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2019, 04:54:09 PM »
Thanks a lot guys. 

Different takes on the same problem. I love it. 

Doc, further north, they call it bachal, ans it's easier to find on Google. 

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Beav, i'm far further south. On the southern alps. Far more influenced by the mediterranean. Hundred miles north of Cannes, in line of flight.  But i know val misŤre. (French pun) i'm in a ski ressort called serre chevalier. I work for the chairlift company in the winter. 
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Re: Bachas? (log bassin)
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2019, 06:04:49 PM »
Satamax, I'm with btulloh on this one. I did some hand scribed log work once, and I found the easiest way to clean the grooves out was to score the edges with the chainsaw, and then make perpindicular cuts about 1/2"-1" apart (12-24mm?😊). Then you can get a rough chisel or pry bar in there to pop the pieces out. Another log technique is "brushing", which is smoothing areas with the chainsaw. Try to go to an angle to the grooves you cut, while blipping the throttle. Use the nose of the bar to smooth out the grooves. It's harder to describe than actually do😊 There's probably You Tube videos for examples. At any rate, it's not work I would do at 100įF!! Good luck👍
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Re: Bachas? (log bassin)
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2019, 01:49:09 AM »
Thanks  lot guys. 

Barbender.   I know what you mean. Pretty much the old method for  cutting tenons in timber framing. And don't worry, i know brushing with a chainsaw.  I'll see how it goes. 

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Re: Bachas? (log bassin)
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2019, 07:21:43 AM »
We saw a lot of those in Austria a few years back. The  place we stayed had a big one out front with a water pipe at one end and a drain under the other. We saw several more older ones full of dirt being used as planters.

 
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Re: Bachas? (log bassin)
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2019, 10:24:47 AM »
Just need a "U" shaped chainsaw bar so you can remove the centre of the log in one cut!  ;D

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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2019, 10:26:25 AM »
Just need a "U" shaped chainsaw bar so you can remove the centre of the log in one cut!  ;D
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Re: Bachas? (log bassin)
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2019, 09:29:35 AM »
I made a some planters like this a few years back out of pine and surprisingly they are still holding up, I figured they would rot without some sort of sealer applied to the inside.
I did what btulloh is saying and it worked great.
I cut the final size of the pocket, made a bunch of cuts the length of it, make cuts across the grain every inch and then just popped them out with a flat bar. Worked great.
Seems like someone on here made some by taking a slab off two opposite sides of a log and then on the center piece cut out what would be your pocket and screwed the sides back on. It was pretty slick and plenty darned easy.

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Re: Bachas? (log bassin)
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2019, 09:42:08 PM »
so i tried this with a cottonwood log.  to make a 3 segment beer/pop/water cooler for my MIL and her twin sisters 150th b-day.



 



 



 



 



 



 



 

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Re: Bachas? (log bassin)
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2019, 09:49:47 PM »
That's neat doc, I have waned to make something along this line when I had a down day. Nicely done.
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« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2019, 10:15:25 PM »
about 3 hours.  I think less dense cottonwood may be a good insulator, I hope the foam/urethan glue will seal it up. thx  
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Re: Bachas? (log bassin)
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2019, 10:24:18 PM »
Thats really nice.  The need something like that for their 150th birthday. 
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« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2019, 10:26:27 PM »
I love them all, but a little cold drink always is appreciated when the out laws are here!!! :D :D :D
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« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2019, 06:49:18 AM »
Soo nice that i might try one, one of those days. If it's real easy, and can be sold cheap. pretty sure there is a market for it. 
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« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2019, 12:16:08 PM »
What an awsome idea, I'm going to have to try that as well, I'll seal it up with linseed oil/pine tar varnish put a cork in the bottom for a drain and turn it over to store it...Son wants a graduation party down by the pond next year, I'll use an elm log I have laying around. ...

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« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2019, 12:04:06 PM »
 

 



 



 

pics at the 150th birthday party.  we covered it with a silver tarp
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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2021, 03:58:11 PM »
More planter ideas . . 
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