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Carbide band blades... I know, I, know..
« on: July 24, 2020, 10:16:58 AM »
Thinking about using these on a LT35.  And I have read most of the comments about these blades from you experienced sawyers.  Iím taking delivery on a new saw in 2 weeks, without the debarker... thought that these blades may be advantageous in lieu of the debarker.  
Couple of questions for you experienced sawyers out there...
1). Can I assume that you donít have to use a setter on these blades?
2). Does woodmizer sharpen these in the resharp program?
3). Do they set them?
4). How much do they charge?  Double regular blades?
5). Is 25 hp enough for these blades?

I will be sawing oak and some hickory to begin with.  For regular blades I was thinking of using Doublehard alloy blades... suggestions... would 4* or 7* be better?  So much to know about blades alone.  Thanks.

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Re: Carbide band blades... I know, I, know..
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2020, 01:14:20 PM »
Question one and three, If they are the Woodmizer razortips no you donít use a setter on these. The carbide tip width is the set, Similar to a carbide tip is wider than a circular blade plate on your tablesaw.

Pretty sure others would tell you that an LT 35 would be great with 4 degree doublehard blades on a lot of woods including Hickory.
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Re: Carbide band blades... I know, I, know..
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2020, 02:00:54 PM »
Thanks, terrific... that makes sense.  I am trying to keep the types of blades in inventory at a minimum.  Would be helpful if working on your own blades... that you could save a lot of time not having to set.  Or if you used all carbide, you could do without spending $2500 on a tooth setter.

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Re: Carbide band blades... I know, I, know..
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2020, 02:39:38 PM »
I have one carbide band I got for free. 5 more coming with a diamond wheel. I think one could sharpen freehand with a flat diamond hone with reasonable success a few times, all their sharpening is about is a light flat face grind. No gullet or back grind.
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Re: Carbide band blades... I know, I, know..
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2020, 05:29:50 PM »
Save your $$$$ unless you can debark the whole log, That debarker will cost more than the setter.
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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2020, 05:38:05 PM »
Hello, Peter... for those of us mentally challenged, would you be so kind to explain what you mean?  Are you saying I should get the debarker?

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Re: Carbide band blades... I know, I, know..
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2020, 07:52:04 PM »
True the mud saw is not as good as a whole log debarker, but I would NOT want to saw without one. 
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Re: Carbide band blades... I know, I, know..
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2020, 08:27:08 PM »
When I had a carbide blade re-sharpened by Re-sharp, the cost was about double that of a regular doublehard blade.
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2020, 09:03:29 PM »
Does anyone know the number of sharpenings you can get out of one of the carbides?

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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2020, 09:14:28 PM »
I recently purchased one carbide to try in Osage.  Double hard 4 degree is fine in green osage, but once it starts drying a little... I'm interested to see if the carbide helps at all.  I'm now worried about the HP comment with my 19hp Kohler.  I hope it's enough power.  After all, Doug in INdy did sell me one knowing I had an LT15.
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Re: Carbide band blades... I know, I, know..
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2020, 09:16:53 PM »
The carbide is a regular 7 profile, not the deep gullet turbo, so you should be fine.
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Re: Carbide band blades... I know, I, know..
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2020, 09:19:17 PM »
   I love my debarker on my LT35. I love watching that little thin white groove open in the bark just inches ahead of my blade. Lacking a laser it also shows where my blade is going although that is a collateral benefit and not why I bought it.

    Eventually I will use up my remaining stock of 7 & 10 degree WM dh bands and I will use only 4 degree blades. They are the best all purpose blades I have found for the kinds of wood and techniques I follow using my mill. 

   Good luck and for my money - buy the debarker and some 4 degree DH blades at least as a test. If you did not buy the 2 additional/optional side supports for your mill run, don't walk, to the nearest phone or e-mail and get them ordered. JMHO.
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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2020, 09:30:47 PM »
The carbide is a regular 7 profile, not the deep gullet turbo, so you should be fine.
The carbide sample I received and the box I have on order are 7/39 (Turbo 7). 1-1/2, 045, 195Ē
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« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2020, 09:35:38 PM »
You guys are a wealth of information... thanks for taking the time, and thanks for sharing!

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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2020, 07:24:22 AM »
I would not trade my Debarker for any blade, carbide or whatever.  Ain't giving up the Debarker.
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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2020, 07:39:09 AM »
I'm not sure yet how I'll use the carbide bands. 

The one I used, I used to saw about 4500 board feet of 1" from cedar power poles, that the customer knew did not have metal in them. 

I resaw beams for a business who de-nails them carefully. The guy is good at removing all the metal.  His  risk of a carbide blade charge should be balanced by the dulled band charges I usually impose, and the production rate should go up because of not changing 10 bands a day or more which matters a lot because there are 3-4 paid employees attending my sawing when I'm there. 

Otherwise, since I probably hit metal on every other job, I'll have to figure out where to effectively use them. At least I'm prepared for more cedar power poles. 
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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2020, 08:07:46 AM »
I knocked my debarker out of alignment the other day, and figured I'd wait for the end of the day to address it.  Nope, I noticeably dulled bands faster and within a short time I stopped sawing and got the wrenches out.  

A debarker is a very valuable option.  It pays for itself pretty fast.
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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2020, 08:33:51 AM »
You guys have convinced me... gonna have the debarker installed on the mill.  Was just trying to keep the cost down.  I guess itís like ďtripping over a dollar to pick-up a dime.Ē

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« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2020, 08:49:44 AM »
I gotta ask, where will you get Oak and Hickory in Buras?  I'll admit that I have never been there but I imagined coastal with not much for trees.
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« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2020, 09:54:00 AM »
Hello, MM...  You are mostly correct, we donít have any marketable timber down here.  However, we do have trees.  Buras is on the West Bank of the Mississippi River about 60 miles southeast of New Orleans.  One road in, one road out (Hwy 23).  

We sit in a ďbowlĒ, if you will... with the river levee and the marsh levee to the west.  The only way this place is inhabitable year round is due to the drainage canal that runs the length of Plaquemines Parish, together with the system of huge pumps that pump the rainwater back into the gulf. 

I own a rather rather modest 14 acres down here... (pics to come later), if anyone is interested.  My place is next to the old Grande Bayou Laird which used to be, years ago, before they leveed the big river, a navigable tributary of the Mississippi.

To make a long story longer... my place used to be an orange grove, before Hurricane Betsy destroyed it.  (It was never replanted).  That was back in the mid sixties.

Back to the trees... I have around 30 huge live oak trees which some are estimated to be 300 yrs old.  Also, a good number of smaller live oak (maybe ave 18Ē dia).  About 99% of these oaks are off limits for cutting.

I do have maybe 100 or so, water oak and swamp hickory (pignut?) that are my targets.  Also have a lot of hackberry, and Chinese tallow that I donít think are good for nothiní.  (did God make such a thing?).

Those will get me started.  Plan to get some urban logs, and I have a timber guy in Wiggins, MS who said he would get me logs.  We will see.
I am to start with,at least, a hobby sawyer.  We will see if later, I can make a little money with this.

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