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« on: October 24, 2020, 08:07:43 AM »
For me this is a medical question, not political, so please, medical related only.

The Medical Marijuana option is on our November ballot and I will have to admit that I am "sheltered" regarding the pros/cons?  I have no idea whether or not there is any medical benefit but the hype seems to be that there is.  I do understand that many of our medicines are plant derived.

Do patients have to smoke it or is the beneficial whatever extracted and put into pill form?  Anyway is this good, bad, or worse?
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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2020, 08:20:06 AM »
Medical Marijuana use is legit. Many medical marijuana users are not. Here it paved the way for recreational marijuana, which miraculously cured many medical marijuana patients.

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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2020, 08:38:37 AM »
It's legal in both Maine and NH. Can be smoked but often the oil is 'extracted' and made into eatable things.
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2020, 08:46:15 AM »
As one of millions of folks with a worn out back (lumbar) , I have serious back pain.
 In that CBD is commonly discussed, especially in my state of KY where there are now marijuana related farm operations but not much public tolerance for the drug itself among the older population it remains controversial, etc..
Given that I am a borderline asthmatic I don't want to smoke anything, medical or not. 
I tried to research CBD online to see if it held promise for my own pain. What I found was that there was very little bonified research from reputable study sources that said it worked. I'm certainly not a medical person in any of my careers but as a retired educator I very much know how to research a subject. 
Medical marijuana vs. CBD is unclear to me as to what one might expect differently from each? 
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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2020, 09:05:19 AM »
Googling CBN and/or CBD will send you down a "rabbit hole".  smiley_dizzy  :P
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2020, 09:05:50 AM »
I believe there are some benefits, but most users believe it's a cure all even when they have no health issue to begin with. I say most, simply because anyone I have ran across will say so, whether they believe it or not. It is legal in Canada, but get caught with it behind a wheel and you're in for a battle. It's hard to test for, as to when you actually used it before you were driving, because it lingers for days or weeks in your system. And there is 0 tolerance. Just recently, they raided an illegal grow op locally. You're only allowed so many plants and need a grow license.

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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2020, 09:11:17 AM »
cant speak too much for Medical Marijuana as I only tried it once, didnt like it and didnt inhale.
I have used CBD with mixed results, sometimes seems to work other times no so much
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2020, 10:04:21 AM »
Haha Pete that's a good one😉 It is tough to get down to the brass tacks on anything "medical marijuana" related, because IMO most of the proponents are thinly veiled recreational marijuana users that just want pot legalized. I have heard some promising stories about children that had seizures getting relief, etc. I think the medical field needs to do more research on it.
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2020, 10:45:55 AM »
There are products that have the medicinal effect, without getting you high. There seems to be some opposition to that by some of those that are seeking medicinal marijuana.  ;) :D Recreational is legal here, as is growing your own. I don't really know myself what the effects might be. If I say I'm hitting the hard stuff, it just means I got a Red Bull instead of a Diet Dr. Pepper.  :D

I have heard some legit stories to back up the medical use of marijuana. I know of a Green Beret who was severely injured, in fact, died and was revived twice while being evacuated to a hospital, who has used it to great effect. Long story short, he was basically incapacitated by the opiates he was on, and was either going to commit suicide, or simply die from the drugs themselves. He dropped the opiates and started using various forms of marijuana and is now able to have a reasonably functional life. 
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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2020, 12:46:38 PM »
I've tried the oil for back pain, no help. 
I tried candies with THC didn't help and gave me spasms.

My wife gets patients all the time wanting a medical card to raise a few plants, so she asks them why they need it and they start hee hawing with excuses. Many young adults. She won't issue unless there's a definite need. 

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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2020, 01:16:26 PM »
Maybe I'm trending this thread down the rabbit hole of public opinion, BUT, I have a neighbor/friend ~ 71 now, he buys every TV "cure" that comes along. I know I'll step on toes here now but some of his miracles are Blue Emu and Tommie Copper this and thats. 
Some time ago I was unable to find research that supported either Blue Emu or the Australian Cream so called fixes.
Honestly speaking they tick me off as the newspapers and TV is full of stuff that has no studies that show they work. Meanwhile about two years ago we had an Amish guy who was selling a slave for muscle aches, so forth and the feds actually took the man to court and convicted him of what I'll call false medical advertising. makes you want to scream?
 Most orthopedic docs and chiro's sell the cold sprays which definitely treat symptoms but short lived pain killers. They use them on me often for my nice little knee injection to deaden the insertion. 
I had a kid in my platoon once who was a pothead, through and through and he was "creating his own religion as it were. He'd get high(like he wasn't always high? :D) and get out his legal pad and... ::) I'll stop there so as to avoid offending anyone here by further describing what he was doing. I will say that he probably wasn't feeling any pain much of each day?
Hold back the "killing your kidneys" comments but for me ibuprofen is the true save the day stuff. I take less than allowed but more than I would like too!
I also keep gel type cold packs in the freezer ready to go, plus a nice heating pad for my sciatica friend. 
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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2020, 01:21:39 PM »
I've tried the oil for back pain, no help.
I tried candies with THC didn't help and gave me spasms.

My wife gets patients all the time wanting a medical card to raise a few plants, so she asks them why they need it and they start hee hawing with excuses. Many young adults. She won't issue unless there's a definite need.
My wife was once a mental health counselor for a regional agency with an office located within our local hospital owned & operated rural medical clinic. Fairly often a person who'd just tried to score some pain pills from the doc next door and fail,  would then find her, asking for the same stuff. I remember one guy told her his feet were hurting and she advised him she was limited to the head & brain, something like that... :D
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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2020, 03:24:48 PM »
I've tried the oil for back pain, no help.
I tried candies with THC didn't help and gave me spasms.

My wife gets patients all the time wanting a medical card to raise a few plants, so she asks them why they need it and they start hee hawing with excuses. Many young adults. She won't issue unless there's a definite need.
Is she a nurse or doctor? I thought only doctors cold sign off on something like that? 

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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2020, 04:22:16 PM »
It can for sure be a legitimate pain killer. Older than me fellow I know got off opiates for his pain via weed. It's legal here for medicine and I've not seen any problems with it being medically legal. I voted to legalize it in Arkansas and it was. 

Also many people find relief from nausea while taking chemotherapy. Nausea seems like no biggie until you really get a good dose of it, anybody that needs marijuana for that should not be denied. Apparently smoking it is immediate relief while pill forms of  THC are less effective I hear. 

Supposedly the Mexican cartels are unhappy because the domestic price of illegal weed has fallen. Also it's my understanding that opiate prescriptions/use falls in states where it's legal. Good enough reasons there if factual.  My opinion is it should be federally decriminalized, it would free up lots of enforcement money for bigger threat crimes. IMHOP.

As for CBD for pain I think that's questionable.

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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2020, 04:41:11 PM »
It has been an effective medicinal for thousands of years. However you can grow it (get it for nothing) therefore the k street lobbyist gang will fight to keep it illegal

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« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2020, 04:58:09 PM »
  My opinion is it should be federally decriminalized, it would free up lots of enforcement money for bigger threat crimes. 
Not in any way a good idea. I watched while my grandson started on that *DanG weed and graduated to other addictive hard drugs and the whole family went thru hell getting him off that crap. So I would never vote to allow an easy legal start to that horrible process.

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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2020, 05:13:27 PM »
I was a chronic pothead by 7th grade and done by 11th, but a LOT of people i grew up with went to the needle and it killed em.  I know quite a few people that i DONT want around if they havent got their weed.  Really high strung people mellow out a lot.  My friends dad used to give himself ulcers out of hate and rage.. We finally got him on the peace pipe and he was a different person immediately.  A tolerable one.  Sadly died of stage 4 cancer shortly after.  


If you cant sleep, go find a joint.  You will sleep like a baby.

Drugs dont have a chain of start and finish that one must graduate to and from.  You can start at heroin or shooting meth, its just how it is.  Everyones life and surroundings are different.  Hanging out with a car full off potheads will probably involve other drugs being around but you dont have to do them.  I only did the stuff i wanted.  The problem is people running from their problems who want to do them all.


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No idea about CBD.  I got plenty of pain but just hope to endure it with god's  grace and mercy.  I really dont even take aspirin or naproxen anymore.  When it never goes away is easier than when it comes and goes for me. I was born with a fused spine so i cant remember it not hurting. 
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« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2020, 05:26:20 PM »
Btw im from massachusetts which legalized weed and i know many growers.  It actually creates some job options.  The local supply of weed probably wont change much if legalized.  The difference is the money from your state that always has and always will go to pot literally, doesnt have to all go to a foreign cartel anymore.  With legalization a lot more money stays home because there is now domestic weed competing against the imported gang stuff. and the quality of the weed around gets better too because you can grow it on your balcony now and not have a clandestine compromise. The quality of the people involved gets better and they arent lacing their stuff with bad news or cutting it with oregano either.  Because its legal they are taking credit for its quality.  Illegal drugs are the ones that kill you. Theyre cut down with anything that looks similar or laced with fentanyl or whatever.  


A side benefit is less dummies to pay for in prison or clog up your courts.  Yeah, youll have slightly more pothead morons around to annoy you.  Im not for getting high but no one will ever stop that culture.  The harder you try the more itll cost you, and the moms and dads and spouses of loved ones who go into the prison system at level 2 and end up trapped into level 3s and 4s where bad bad bad things happen.  Prohibition really ends in heartache and tax hikes. 
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« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2020, 06:00:46 PM »
Had a buddy doing chemo for pancreatic cancer.  Sick as a dog for 2 months, lost 60 pounds cause he was so nauseated.  He got a medical card and was a different person.  As it usually does the cancer got him, but the weed improved his quality of life for a year before the end.  That sold me as to whether people should use it.  I have known many a pot smoker and just as many drunks and would hire a smoker over a drunk every day of the week.

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« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2020, 07:18:21 PM »
To me its up to you just not at my place just cant stand the smell of it burning real bad stinky stuff 
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« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2020, 07:24:32 PM »
Btw im from massachusetts which legalized weed and i know many growers.  It actually creates some job options.  The local supply of weed probably wont change much if legalized.  The difference is the money from your state that always has and always will go to pot literally, doesnt have to all go to a foreign cartel anymore.  With legalization a lot more money stays home because there is now domestic weed competing against the imported gang stuff. and the quality of the weed around gets better too because you can grow it on your balcony now and not have a clandestine compromise. The quality of the people involved gets better and they arent lacing their stuff with bad news or cutting it with oregano either.  Because its legal they are taking credit for its quality.  Illegal drugs are the ones that kill you. Theyre cut down with anything that looks similar or laced with fentanyl or whatever.  


A side benefit is less dummies to pay for in prison or clog up your courts.  Yeah, youll have slightly more pothead morons around to annoy you.  Im not for getting high but no one will ever stop that culture.  The harder you try the more itll cost you, and the moms and dads and spouses of loved ones who go into the prison system at level 2 and end up trapped into level 3s and 4s where bad bad bad things happen.  Prohibition really ends in heartache and tax hikes.
As a non smoker I'd have to agree with all of this and @ricker as well.  Legalize it and we get rid of so much of our prison population and court cases.  More income, more legal jobs, more tax income.   If it helps some folks deal with chronic pain I'm fine with that.
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« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2020, 08:41:33 PM »
I was in Hawaii during most of my service time from 1969 - 73.  In Hawaii pot use was common among both civilians and GI's.  It was illegal, but nobody ever got busted unless it was in conjunction with some other illegal activity.  Funny I never heard of anybody using it for medical reasons.

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« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2020, 03:47:41 AM »
Here in NZ it was a referendum issues in last weeks National election. To basically legalise pot. 

If that passes it will be legal to sell with a licence and age restrictions, similar to alcohol. Or grow a handful of plants for you own use. Legal commercial growers need a licence and pay tax on their sales, again similar to alcohol.  What you buy commercially will have a tested TCH content, same as when you buy booze. 

Argument to the "It leads to worse drugs". If Pot is illegal, then you have to buy it from an illegal dealer, who probably has access to worse drugs. "Hey, try this instead..." Illegal dealers don't do age checks, they are already breaking the law, so what the heck. 

 If you are buying a pack of pot gummy bears or brownies from the local pharmacy or bottle store you wont get offered illegal drugs. 

I did vote in favour, as there a worse things that cops  need to be chasing, I know lots of folks that are occasional pot users (and normal folks with regular jobs), and have a bit of nephropathy that I take drugs for. I'd give medical pot a try if it was cheap and legal.    
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« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2020, 07:18:08 AM »
A buddy's wife used to use it in the 90's for glaucoma. She got a medical grade product, and it was pretty good stuff.  :)  A quick google into the medical literature the patient would have to stay high all the time to be effective. Things like operating a vehicle would be out.

Found a few articles concerning new technology to detect impaired driving. There isn't an agreed standard on what level constitutes impaired. It remains detectable for days, weeks or longer in blood or urine.

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« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2020, 07:26:15 AM »
Canada Legalized it. It does have medical benefits, it has been used for thousands of years as a medicine.  Why spend money on enforcement , put the money into education. 
Big pharma would rather you spend your money on thier prescriptions, some of the side effects I see advertised on TV scares the heck out me. 
Portugal legalized all drug use years ago, and put all the enforcement money into education against drug use from a young age. They are one of the few "western nations" that has a declining drug use among thier population. 
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I didn't know that about Portugal, that's interesting.
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« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2020, 10:15:55 AM »
Ditto.  And im from a very portuguese town.  Will have to ask about that.


I never thought id see it this way, but banning things turns them into a business.  The lucrative nature makes them more profitable, luring in more vendors and more patrakers making them more popular and profitable.  A flip phone in prison is $800 bucks because you cant have a phone in prison.  If you could it'd be $100 or so.  The phone prohibition creates the phone smuggling business, and its mostly run by corrupt guards. Its enriching the bad guy off the family that is sending their incarcerated loved one the insane cash to buy the phone so they can talk to them.

  Most people in prison are drug users so the greatest demand and source of problems is drugs.  Sadly heroin is rampant but needles are banned. Theyre homemade and confiscated all the time. So one guy in the joint that still has his binky [prison syringe] is getting his drugs by sharing his needle.  They all pass around HIV and hepC then get out and spread it to the local community.  So i hate to say this but yes, i am for giving them their free clean needles to keep the innocent teenage girl who gets sweet talked by the young thug druggie loser from catching all that and giving it to a baby.  We are handing out free masks all across the world today.  


Not trying to be political, i dont think it matters what team youre on, you are making the payment on a jail fulla aids.  The needles would be cheaper and save heartache.  The old 'but youre condoning it' argument doesnt hold water imo.  You cant stop teenagers from shackin up, a druggie from shootin up or a drunk from drinkin up.  Anyone thinking otherwise is just sheltered from reality id say.
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« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2020, 11:19:08 AM »

  You cant stop teenagers from shackin up, a druggie from shootin up or a drunk from drinkin up.  Anyone thinking otherwise is just sheltered from reality id say.
Shootin up or drinkin up is the ultimate escape from reality and is done without regard for the consequences. Why should we sanction that type of behavior?
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« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2020, 11:33:18 AM »
Some of you will probably want to be judge and jury when I have the inclination to tell my story. Some of you know my story and personally know or witnessed what I'd been going through for a few years.

The legalization of cannibus in michigan has been a saving grace for me and my struggle with sleep paralysis.
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« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2020, 12:12:25 PM »
Jeff, I know some of your story and could not be happier to hear you have found some relief. 
Some of my family members recommended that I get some CBD oil for my wife's use to relieve some problems with Alzheimer's but all my research in what product to get and how to use it was completely lacking. I do have a granddaughter that lives in Colorado but for her to transport anything to MN would put her at risk so I had to abandon the idea. But again, the real barrier to any use was a lack of any usable information on product to use and dosage. My wife has never smoked and is already difficult to control so I had to abandon the idea.

I have always been in favor of medical use if there was appropriate dosing information available but not for recreational use to escape reality.  
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« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2020, 12:31:47 PM »
My wife, may she rest in peace, tried cannabis oil to relieve the constant pain from cancer and spinal stenosis which gave her relief but she didn't like the side effects. It made her loopy.. She had been taking large doses of Oxcodin and Oxycontin that should have dropped a horse but they weren't enough.
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« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2020, 04:39:09 PM »
I think the underlying issue is that you have politicians making medical decisions.  We see how well that has worked out on the whole Covid thing.  If a physician believes it will benefit a patient then treat it the same as any other prescription.  My grandmother didn't have a card allowing her to keep "X" number of yeast cultures so she could get her insulin, she got it from a pharmacy in known quality and quantity. Everyone rags on big pharma - until they need a life saving drug.   
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I agree gary, but there are people who have endured things that you or i would need an escape from too.  Its not my job to judge what they do to keep hangin on. I dont like it but im not in their shoes. Its a mess all around.
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« Reply #33 on: October 25, 2020, 07:21:11 PM »
We got a few people claiming it is good for nausea, and for pain, helpful for sleeping and for worry.     Swampdonkey seems best informed when he said, "most users believe it's a cure all even when they have no health issue to begin with."

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« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2020, 08:43:14 PM »
Gov nor anyone else any right to tell what you should or can consume or inject in YOUR body. 

With that said, if you're using then there is or their should be no state help for you if you go broke and can't work. Monthly hair test. If it's tests positive, you don't get that months check. which should also be tied to work, even it's picking up trash. you'll put your 40 hours in or no check. 

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« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2020, 09:33:35 PM »
Here in Arkansas its highly regulated.  The only place it can be obtained is at a dispensary with a medical card.  The only folks that could get into the business had really deep pockets for the state fees and they want a high ROI, so consequently the price is really high.

I'm not a user, but I hear some folks talking about the high cost.  They have trouble paying their bills and the "medicine" is a additional burden.

Seems to me its a scheme to transfer more money from the poor to the already rich.  I think some states, maybe Michigan, have made it legal to grow your own.  I could support that idea.
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« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2020, 09:43:19 PM »
In MA, you can grow six plants per person, up to 12 per household. 
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« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2020, 10:14:32 PM »
Southside,  Politicians did not decide if Pot was legal here in Oregon the measure to legalize Pot was put on the ballot and voted on by the Oregon voters and they determined that it should be legal.  Don't know about  other states. I am not a user but feel it is no different than alcohol so am glad it is legalized with some controls and the state is now getting its tax share.   Now lets look at all of those who are in prison for having been arrested with small amounts of pot and if they were given long unreasonable sentences for possession need to be reviewed and maybe commuted.   Now a pusher/seller gets all that they were given in my opinion. 

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« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2020, 10:19:19 PM »
I think most states it has been by ballot measure - but the politicians are setting up the methods of control / distribution / permitting, etc. all in the name of taxes - rather than having the medical professionals utilize it as a tool.  
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« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2020, 10:24:23 PM »
 I don't see pot as medical only, it is also recreational just as alcohol is so why not regulate just as alcohol has been.

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« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2020, 11:15:56 PM »
I think most states it has been by ballot measure - but the politicians are setting up the methods of control / distribution / permitting, etc. all in the name of taxes - rather than having the medical professionals utilize it as a tool.  
Part of the problem with the medical research into pot is that if it's illegal it's difficult to for a University or drug company to actually research or do any large scale trials into it's effects / benefits / disadvantages. It's not going to be a cure-all for every malady. For example some studies indicate that it doesn't really relieve pain in patients, but it relaxes some so they can sleep better, even with a low background pain that was waking them up before. And Jeff can certainly confirm the longer term effects of poor sleep. It sounds like a minor inconvenience, but it can be totally debilitating after a while. So simply getting a good nights sleep can be a bigger benefit than being totally pain free, but a zombie.  
If pot is made legal, then a Dr can still suggest to a patient that they go down to the pharmacy or bottle store and buy a pack of jelly-babies, and take one before bed each night to see if it helps them sleep etc. Ideally he could prescribe a box of medical grade ones, but the research isn't really there on that yet. 

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« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2020, 12:24:22 AM »
I used to smoke so much dope that when I quit stone cold, the bottom fell out of the local marijuana market. The local dealers called it "The Great Panic of '97"😂😂 I can't speak to medical use, mine was completely recreational and not in moderation in any way. I saw stories recently, one was where a policeman ended up in the ER thinking he was having a heart attack, after tons of tests they finally figured out he was just stoned out of his mind! It turns out that his daughter had made a pan of pot brownies, and forgot them on the counter😂 Now I was thinking to myself, how could you eat those and not realize something was amiss? When we made them the result was similar to alfalfa feed cubes with fudge frosting on them, well it turns out you're supposed to cook it down with butter or something and then add that to the brownie mix😂 So that's how that girl made them, and her poor dad ended up in the ER😂 I think he ended up ok, after they convinced him that he was only stoned😊 From my own experience, I think more fuss is made over marijuana than what it's worth. I don't really buy the "gateway" theory either, from what I've seen people that are going to get into destructive lifestyles manage to do it with whatever is at hand, be it booze, gambling, heroin or whatever else.
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« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2020, 12:44:57 AM »
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« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2020, 02:13:32 AM »
Now I was thinking to myself, how could you eat those and not realize something was amiss?


The effect is slower when it's eaten. So he might have scoffed 4 of them before the first one kicked in, then got the munchies and ate a couple more. :D

Apparently it's a common problem with edibles, people eat one and initially feel no effect, so have a couple more... Then they all catch up... 

If it's sold legally it can have a strength indication / recommended dose on the label, like booze does.  Most people know that you shouldn't drink 8% beers the same as you can drink 4% beer. Or if you do, that you will fall down. 
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« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2020, 02:32:55 AM »
Is that the voice of experience I am reading?   ???

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« Reply #45 on: October 26, 2020, 08:04:36 AM »
I know it came in handy when I was a Young Buck. I seen my Future Bride for the first time at The Pub. She was talking to a guy that was going to give Her a ride home. I knew he was a stoner. So I asked if he had one to go burn. He did,he was inhaling while I exhaled. He forgot about giving Her a ride & went home. But good thing I was there for Her.  And we're still together after 40 years this spring 

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« Reply #46 on: October 26, 2020, 08:27:12 AM »
I know it came in handy when I was a Young Buck. I seen my Future Bride for the first time at The Pub. She was talking to a guy that was going to give Her a ride home. I knew he was a stoner. So I asked if he had one to go burn. He did,he was inhaling while I exhaled. He forgot about giving Her a ride & went home. But good thing I was there for Her.  And we're still together after 40 years this spring
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« Reply #47 on: October 26, 2020, 09:05:03 AM »
I have heard that it is a good substitute for oregano in spaghetti sauce
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« Reply #48 on: October 26, 2020, 09:17:21 AM »
I know it came in handy when I was a Young Buck. I seen my Future Bride for the first time at The Pub. She was talking to a guy that was going to give Her a ride home. I knew he was a stoner. So I asked if he had one to go burn. He did,he was inhaling while I exhaled. He forgot about giving Her a ride & went home. But good thing I was there for Her.  And we're still together after 40 years this spring
That's an awesome and I mean an awesome story!
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« Reply #49 on: October 26, 2020, 09:25:09 AM »
I figure legalize it and take the criminal element out of the equation.

Let law enforcement go after the hard stuff and quit wasting money on weed enforcement. How many are locked up and life ruined for a sack of weed or a joint and at what cost to the taxpayers.

There are a lot of misconceptions about smoking or ingesting weed. Most are by people that have no idea what it does or doesn't do or have a closed mind.

I don't allow drinking or weed while you are at work. Do it after you clock out.
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« Reply #50 on: October 26, 2020, 09:38:41 AM »
Well MM,
Not sure if you got an answer, seems like good input.  But alas the thread turned to food.

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« Reply #51 on: October 26, 2020, 01:03:28 PM »
No personal experience and I'm not a doctor so can only relate the experience of a friend who used to be a professional painter but fell from a ladder and really screwed up her back when she was about 55 (around 65 now), forcing her to retire early. She's still pretty active but it causes her a lot of pain and slows her down a lot.

She uses marijuana to control the pain and says it works wonders. I've often been around her before, during, and after she medicates and I've never been able to tell  from the way she acts. There is no medical marijuana here so she uses a variety of methods. She said the doctor would be more than willing to prescribe her opioids for the pain but she wants nothing to do with them. For her marijuana is effective and she considers it safer than the opioids. 

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I would much rather see someone using marijuana than opiates.
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Or alcohol. A drunk wants to drive, a stoner wants to go to the kitchen.
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« Reply #54 on: October 26, 2020, 07:14:02 PM »
Well MM, Not sure if you got an answer, seems like good input. But alas the thread turned to food.
This topic will surely continue and more input added but yes Sam, I have gathered enough information to make a decision regarding my vote in November.  I will say that I have changed my mind from my original decision.  :P
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« Reply #55 on: October 26, 2020, 07:18:37 PM »
I know it came in handy when I was a Young Buck. I seen my Future Bride for the first time at The Pub. She was talking to a guy that was going to give Her a ride home. I knew he was a stoner. So I asked if he had one to go burn. He did,he was inhaling while I exhaled. He forgot about giving Her a ride & went home. But good thing I was there for Her.  And we're still together after 40 years this spring
That's an awesome and I mean an awesome story!
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« Reply #56 on: October 26, 2020, 07:56:54 PM »
Doesage and regulation. We are seeing it in Canada. Each package, either edibles or smokable will have a THC amount and or the CBD amount. We cn buy just CBD, some comes in a sauve to rub on sore joints, people love the pain relief, there is no mental stimulus. 
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« Reply #57 on: October 27, 2020, 08:12:49 AM »
I would much rather see someone using marijuana than opiates.
Oh heavens yes. I have taken opiates for my back pain and while they never were habit forming for me, they do weird stuff to me. Can't sleep, at all. Makes me feel like I'm in a glass bottle. Hated it. don't take anymore. I wish 'weed' helped, it's not nearly so destructive.
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« Reply #58 on: October 27, 2020, 08:32:59 AM »
The comedian Ron White:
I went to the Dr and asked for a prescription for medical marijuana. I told him I'm depressed.  The Dr asked why I was depressed.  I told I was depressed because I was out of pot.

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« Reply #59 on: October 27, 2020, 08:44:39 AM »
It will be great to see more research now that the stigma has diminished.  I would like to see if there are for sure pain relieving components that can be separated, and not impair a persons mind.  Those are the issues with opiates and alcohol as well.  The research can help bring to light any side effects ect.  Cyclic vomiting is a side effect.  some keep smoking it anyway then come to the er  twice a week for fluids and antiemetics.  some are so pro "weed" that if you mention it as a side effect the F words start flowing freely.  some recognize it is related, and want to stop but keep going back to it.  these are mostly young folks using it for "recreation".  for now you cannot be sure there is nothing added that could change you reaction, or be harmful.  I want to know more.  just like any medication, I hope I never need it.  full disclosure, I drink beer in the evening for recreation with friends.   smiley_beertoast
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« Reply #60 on: October 27, 2020, 10:05:30 AM »
Or alcohol. A drunk wants to drive, a stoner wants to go to the kitchen.
We had a customer who, while at college a few years back, was kind of in charge of a big study about the effects of different drugs on a persons ability to drive a car. This was driven by marijuana being legalized in some parts of the country. Since it had always been illegal no one had really studied the effects on driving. Now the insurance companies want to know.

They had a very realistic simulator that was an actual car body with views from all windows(he said after a few minutes even he could forget it wasn't a real car). The driver's all drove the same course which involved city, highway and interstate. Not only were they watching for the obvious things like swerving or running into other cars but the driver's were also faced with things like a yellow light at an intersection with the decision to go through or stop.

He said almost everyone who was approaching the legal limit with alcohol became a little more careless, would often drive a little faster, weave more, and invariably hit the gas and ran the yellow light.

The people who were given pot tended to drive slower and more carefully. They stayed farther away from the center lane and they almost all stopped for the yellow light. He wasn't saying they were better drivers when stone, because they weren't, but they did sound like they were better than drunk drivers.

They tested lots of other prescription and illegal drugs too. He said Benedryl was one of the worst.

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« Reply #61 on: October 27, 2020, 11:31:25 AM »
It will be great to see more research now that the stigma has diminished.  I would like to see if there are for sure pain relieving components that can be separated, and not impair a persons mind.  Those are the issues with opiates and alcohol as well.  The research can help bring to light any side effects ect.  Cyclic vomiting is a side effect.  some keep smoking it anyway then come to the er  twice a week for fluids and antiemetics.  some are so pro "weed" that if you mention it as a side effect the F words start flowing freely.  some recognize it is related, and want to stop but keep going back to it.  these are mostly young folks using it for "recreation".  for now you cannot be sure there is nothing added that could change you reaction, or be harmful.  I want to know more.  just like any medication, I hope I never need it.  full disclosure, I drink beer in the evening for recreation with friends.   smiley_beertoast
Doc, I know many many that smoke and nobody I have ever heard of vomited due to weed. Nobody. I suspect there was something else involved.

Full disclosure... I've smoked it pretty much everyday for over 30 years.
One of the first things I did when I left the Police Dept was fire up a blunt with old friends. I never smoked during my LEO career for obvious reasons. Nor did ever I arrest anyone for it unless there was more to the story.

Only side effect was munchies but you get over them as you age and build tolerance. Now we say munchies is for beginners.

I smoke to relax. I have never had any pain relief from smoking so I can't help with that but many friends do CBD oils and say that they work.

Edibles give you more of a body relaxing high than smoke. Smoke goes more for the head.

My GF is one that does not do weed well, but a couple bottles of wine and the side effects come out..

I drink beer, IPA actually. If it ever came down to a choice I'd pick weed. No side effects, no hang over, no stupid.

I built a business that has been going for 34 years, work 10-12 hour days, pay my bills and have fun.

I bet there are many here that smoke weed but for good reason they remain silent.

Me I don't care.

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« Reply #62 on: October 27, 2020, 11:59:50 AM »
cyclic vomiting is not common but a known side effect.  glad you do not have it.  I grew up in the 60s and just say no, so I will prob. never use it, for sure until I no longer work in medicine.  still illegal here and I could loose my license and hospital privileges.  I have heard good things about CBD but will not recommend to anyone until proven.  when asked i will say it is worth a try for a cancer pt.  A friend now raises plants for CBD, after his dad used it for pain.  so he is a believer.  i have drank the scientist cool aid, so I will say it is ok if you want to try it, but will not say it works for sure, until studied.  I love the "never smoke weed with Willie again" song and video.  I am ok with others doing what they feel is best for them.
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« Reply #63 on: October 27, 2020, 02:11:11 PM »
Let me know when you retire, I'll stop by. :D :D :D

Have some IPA in ice. 8)
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Re: Medical Marijuana ??
« Reply #64 on: October 27, 2020, 04:16:34 PM »
When a newbie smokes pot, guys only want to do any and or all of these 3 things: eat, sleep or F word! As far as pain (as go me) it doesnt make it go away, I just dont care. Ive vomited about 5 times from and Ive been able to pinpoint why, and in me, its not from the pot itself. Its from alcohol afterward mostly or other chemicals. You just have to remember that everyone reacts to different medication differently. And Ive not had any in about 2 months. It does seem to help with my Chrons but its not consistent ways, kind of like everything else that the gastrointerolagist has tried on me! And I almost died in 2004 from a bowel resection that I had so that I could still be here. Yes, that was medical related. 6 of large and 12 of small, but I dont suffer from the extreme bowel cramping that I had (I just seem to be attached to the toilet). My life is an open book, happily, a comic book. I learned a long time ago, if you cant make fun of yourself then you have NO right to make fun of anybody else. I make more fun of me than anybody else can (it takes their verbal ammunition completely away).
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Re: Medical Marijuana ??
« Reply #65 on: October 28, 2020, 07:53:35 AM »
Close friend of mine had severe colitis, removal, bag all that..  It was a horrible horrible way to live.  Sorry you went thru that todd.  I will have some more thoughts on this later. 
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Re: Medical Marijuana ??
« Reply #66 on: October 28, 2020, 11:25:18 AM »
Mike, I got EXTREMELY lucky, the surgeon was able to pull it off without me having to have a bag BUT I do have about an 8 vertical scar from the incision he made along with the little holes on each side of it from the many staples that were holding the cut back together. I just now looked, the staple hole scars have finally gone away but the cut mark remains. Ive just not been to worried to closely look at myself for a LONG time 8)
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