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Re: Medical Marijuana ??
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2020, 07:24:32 PM »
Btw im from massachusetts which legalized weed and i know many growers.  It actually creates some job options.  The local supply of weed probably wont change much if legalized.  The difference is the money from your state that always has and always will go to pot literally, doesnt have to all go to a foreign cartel anymore.  With legalization a lot more money stays home because there is now domestic weed competing against the imported gang stuff. and the quality of the weed around gets better too because you can grow it on your balcony now and not have a clandestine compromise. The quality of the people involved gets better and they arent lacing their stuff with bad news or cutting it with oregano either.  Because its legal they are taking credit for its quality.  Illegal drugs are the ones that kill you. Theyre cut down with anything that looks similar or laced with fentanyl or whatever.  


A side benefit is less dummies to pay for in prison or clog up your courts.  Yeah, youll have slightly more pothead morons around to annoy you.  Im not for getting high but no one will ever stop that culture.  The harder you try the more itll cost you, and the moms and dads and spouses of loved ones who go into the prison system at level 2 and end up trapped into level 3s and 4s where bad bad bad things happen.  Prohibition really ends in heartache and tax hikes.
As a non smoker I'd have to agree with all of this and @ricker as well.  Legalize it and we get rid of so much of our prison population and court cases.  More income, more legal jobs, more tax income.   If it helps some folks deal with chronic pain I'm fine with that.
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Re: Medical Marijuana ??
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2020, 08:41:33 PM »
I was in Hawaii during most of my service time from 1969 - 73.  In Hawaii pot use was common among both civilians and GI's.  It was illegal, but nobody ever got busted unless it was in conjunction with some other illegal activity.  Funny I never heard of anybody using it for medical reasons.

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« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2020, 03:47:41 AM »
Here in NZ it was a referendum issues in last weeks National election. To basically legalise pot. 

If that passes it will be legal to sell with a licence and age restrictions, similar to alcohol. Or grow a handful of plants for you own use. Legal commercial growers need a licence and pay tax on their sales, again similar to alcohol.  What you buy commercially will have a tested TCH content, same as when you buy booze. 

Argument to the "It leads to worse drugs". If Pot is illegal, then you have to buy it from an illegal dealer, who probably has access to worse drugs. "Hey, try this instead..." Illegal dealers don't do age checks, they are already breaking the law, so what the heck. 

 If you are buying a pack of pot gummy bears or brownies from the local pharmacy or bottle store you wont get offered illegal drugs. 

I did vote in favour, as there a worse things that cops  need to be chasing, I know lots of folks that are occasional pot users (and normal folks with regular jobs), and have a bit of nephropathy that I take drugs for. I'd give medical pot a try if it was cheap and legal.    
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« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2020, 07:18:08 AM »
A buddy's wife used to use it in the 90's for glaucoma. She got a medical grade product, and it was pretty good stuff.  :)  A quick google into the medical literature the patient would have to stay high all the time to be effective. Things like operating a vehicle would be out.

Found a few articles concerning new technology to detect impaired driving. There isn't an agreed standard on what level constitutes impaired. It remains detectable for days, weeks or longer in blood or urine.

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« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2020, 07:26:15 AM »
Canada Legalized it. It does have medical benefits, it has been used for thousands of years as a medicine.  Why spend money on enforcement , put the money into education. 
Big pharma would rather you spend your money on thier prescriptions, some of the side effects I see advertised on TV scares the heck out me. 
Portugal legalized all drug use years ago, and put all the enforcement money into education against drug use from a young age. They are one of the few "western nations" that has a declining drug use among thier population. 
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« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2020, 07:46:57 AM »
I didn't know that about Portugal, that's interesting.
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« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2020, 10:15:55 AM »
Ditto.  And im from a very portuguese town.  Will have to ask about that.


I never thought id see it this way, but banning things turns them into a business.  The lucrative nature makes them more profitable, luring in more vendors and more patrakers making them more popular and profitable.  A flip phone in prison is $800 bucks because you cant have a phone in prison.  If you could it'd be $100 or so.  The phone prohibition creates the phone smuggling business, and its mostly run by corrupt guards. Its enriching the bad guy off the family that is sending their incarcerated loved one the insane cash to buy the phone so they can talk to them.

  Most people in prison are drug users so the greatest demand and source of problems is drugs.  Sadly heroin is rampant but needles are banned. Theyre homemade and confiscated all the time. So one guy in the joint that still has his binky [prison syringe] is getting his drugs by sharing his needle.  They all pass around HIV and hepC then get out and spread it to the local community.  So i hate to say this but yes, i am for giving them their free clean needles to keep the innocent teenage girl who gets sweet talked by the young thug druggie loser from catching all that and giving it to a baby.  We are handing out free masks all across the world today.  


Not trying to be political, i dont think it matters what team youre on, you are making the payment on a jail fulla aids.  The needles would be cheaper and save heartache.  The old 'but youre condoning it' argument doesnt hold water imo.  You cant stop teenagers from shackin up, a druggie from shootin up or a drunk from drinkin up.  Anyone thinking otherwise is just sheltered from reality id say.
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« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2020, 11:19:08 AM »

  You cant stop teenagers from shackin up, a druggie from shootin up or a drunk from drinkin up.  Anyone thinking otherwise is just sheltered from reality id say.
Shootin up or drinkin up is the ultimate escape from reality and is done without regard for the consequences. Why should we sanction that type of behavior?
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« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2020, 11:33:18 AM »
Some of you will probably want to be judge and jury when I have the inclination to tell my story. Some of you know my story and personally know or witnessed what I'd been going through for a few years.

The legalization of cannibus in michigan has been a saving grace for me and my struggle with sleep paralysis.
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« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2020, 12:12:25 PM »
Jeff, I know some of your story and could not be happier to hear you have found some relief. 
Some of my family members recommended that I get some CBD oil for my wife's use to relieve some problems with Alzheimer's but all my research in what product to get and how to use it was completely lacking. I do have a granddaughter that lives in Colorado but for her to transport anything to MN would put her at risk so I had to abandon the idea. But again, the real barrier to any use was a lack of any usable information on product to use and dosage. My wife has never smoked and is already difficult to control so I had to abandon the idea.

I have always been in favor of medical use if there was appropriate dosing information available but not for recreational use to escape reality.  
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« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2020, 12:31:47 PM »
My wife, may she rest in peace, tried cannabis oil to relieve the constant pain from cancer and spinal stenosis which gave her relief but she didn't like the side effects. It made her loopy.. She had been taking large doses of Oxcodin and Oxycontin that should have dropped a horse but they weren't enough.
Illicit drugs whether we like it or not won't go away and like liquor during prohibition have spawned a huge underground economy that has made a lot of people very wealthy. Regulation and licencing for personal use seems to be helping but is not a cure all, in BC government licenced stores are springing up but prices are apparently much higher. I won't touch them, I had a bad experience with pot (coupled with a bottle of saki) while in college, but don't judge those that choose to in moderate amounts. Just don't wave it in my face, I can't stand the smell..
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« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2020, 04:39:09 PM »
I think the underlying issue is that you have politicians making medical decisions.  We see how well that has worked out on the whole Covid thing.  If a physician believes it will benefit a patient then treat it the same as any other prescription.  My grandmother didn't have a card allowing her to keep "X" number of yeast cultures so she could get her insulin, she got it from a pharmacy in known quality and quantity. Everyone rags on big pharma - until they need a life saving drug.   
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« Reply #32 on: October 25, 2020, 04:55:25 PM »



I agree gary, but there are people who have endured things that you or i would need an escape from too.  Its not my job to judge what they do to keep hangin on. I dont like it but im not in their shoes. Its a mess all around.
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« Reply #33 on: October 25, 2020, 07:21:11 PM »
We got a few people claiming it is good for nausea, and for pain, helpful for sleeping and for worry.     Swampdonkey seems best informed when he said, "most users believe it's a cure all even when they have no health issue to begin with."

This is probably true and the best variety is spelled P L A C E B O.    


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« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2020, 08:43:14 PM »
Gov nor anyone else any right to tell what you should or can consume or inject in YOUR body. 

With that said, if you're using then there is or their should be no state help for you if you go broke and can't work. Monthly hair test. If it's tests positive, you don't get that months check. which should also be tied to work, even it's picking up trash. you'll put your 40 hours in or no check. 

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« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2020, 09:33:35 PM »
Here in Arkansas its highly regulated.  The only place it can be obtained is at a dispensary with a medical card.  The only folks that could get into the business had really deep pockets for the state fees and they want a high ROI, so consequently the price is really high.

I'm not a user, but I hear some folks talking about the high cost.  They have trouble paying their bills and the "medicine" is a additional burden.

Seems to me its a scheme to transfer more money from the poor to the already rich.  I think some states, maybe Michigan, have made it legal to grow your own.  I could support that idea.
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« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2020, 09:43:19 PM »
In MA, you can grow six plants per person, up to 12 per household. 
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« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2020, 10:14:32 PM »
Southside,  Politicians did not decide if Pot was legal here in Oregon the measure to legalize Pot was put on the ballot and voted on by the Oregon voters and they determined that it should be legal.  Don't know about  other states. I am not a user but feel it is no different than alcohol so am glad it is legalized with some controls and the state is now getting its tax share.   Now lets look at all of those who are in prison for having been arrested with small amounts of pot and if they were given long unreasonable sentences for possession need to be reviewed and maybe commuted.   Now a pusher/seller gets all that they were given in my opinion. 

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« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2020, 10:19:19 PM »
I think most states it has been by ballot measure - but the politicians are setting up the methods of control / distribution / permitting, etc. all in the name of taxes - rather than having the medical professionals utilize it as a tool.  
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« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2020, 10:24:23 PM »
 I don't see pot as medical only, it is also recreational just as alcohol is so why not regulate just as alcohol has been.


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