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« on: December 19, 2020, 09:33:44 AM »
MacBook:  Who is using one.  Pros - Cons ??
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Re: MacBook
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2020, 09:48:55 AM »
I have a 2013 one I bought second hand (9 months old).

Pros: I turn it on and it works.

Cons: $$.

The only expense has been a new charge cord and I bumped up the ram 4 years ago.

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Re: MacBook
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2020, 12:14:48 PM »
We bought a basic Apple Macbook in 2000 that is no being used by my 7 year old grandson for games. BUT he is starting to complain its too slow.

With in a year of the mac book every computer in our system was Apple. 7 Macbook Pros and 5 IMac 21" pros.

Con was singular;
Initial HARDWARE acquisition cost was 26% higher based on the quoted price from the dealers I dealt with for equal/comparable product at the time.

Learning curve was steep but short!

Pro;
The windows based sytems had a secondary quote attached to the hardware quote for SOFTWARE and Licencing/renewal. That pushed initial acquisition costs to just a bit over 50% higher on the Windows systems AND the annual licence fees were some what less BUT perpetual for as long as you run the software. I already owned licence for the software I was using and was subject to renewals already but need additional new suites for the 4 newly deployed systems.

Software included on the Apple product!

When you turn it on, it works 999 times out of a 1000!    

4 of those lap tops were still running and all the Imacs were all running when we  traded up 4 years ago.

NO software renewal fees for 20 years adds up. AND annual hardware costs dropped drastically. We've only done 1 complete system update in 2016 where we were rotating at least a 1/3 of the system every year prior to moving to Apple.

Support requirement dropped to almost NIL. Hacking issues, viruses etc etc pretty much non existent. So much so that you don't even think about it really.

Over all it cut our annual computer budget by very well over 50%.

ALL 3 of our servers are now Apple. 1 Is 5 years old and 2 are 2 years old. The data robot bank is over 1000 terabytes, so the servers got their work cut out for them and we (Son now) can't afford for them to go offline.
       
     
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« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2020, 03:42:46 PM »
This is my fourth MacBook. They do cost a little more upfront but they mostly have no problems. The OS is functional and things have appropriate names and hierarchies.

I only had one windows machine in the late '90s and absolutely hated it. There was no logic to the OS and it was generally full of bugs and creepy-crawlies !

I run an ad and tracker blocker which is free ( Ghostery ) and I pay for an email server that  gets rid of most junk mail. There is peace in my little computer world  ;D
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Re: MacBook
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2020, 03:52:47 PM »
I've been running PC's for 20 years, never been hacked, no virus issues. I run Firefox with Ghostery, Noscript, Adblocker, and FBPurity add-ons which keep all the crap away. ;D Never had a hard drive failure, never had any of the Laptops fail, the older ones got slow as program bloat gets bigger. ;D I do hate that windows changes little subtle things all the time, like the search feature to find a program. You have to use Corona now, which I seen no point in except some HA collecting data. No idea yet what searching for say 'Powershell' is going to tell them, other than the obvious. I wonder how many $$ that is worth these days? :D
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Re: MacBook
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2020, 08:56:26 PM »
MacBooks only excel if you like:
1. Instant startups from idle.
2. Seamless operation.  All programs run and must be certified by Apple as being reliable.  No crashes.
3. Complete connectivity between all Apple devices, easily and instantly.
4. No glitchy programs.
5. Complete network functionality-no drop outs.
6. iCloud coverage behind the scenes.
7. Behind the scenes automatic and intelligent backup (I've lost enough data with Windows machines that backups are crucial.)  MacBooks back up behind the scenes and I've never lost data.
8. Migration of software that's backward compatible, not causing lost data or forcing fixes.
9. Virus protection is not an issues, nor the ridiculously lengthy anti virus scans of Windows machines.
10.  Macs come with everything needed, add ons are not required. 


In my other job, for 32 years I ran Windows machines, of various manufactures.  At home I'd run Macs, and be so frustrated when I had to go back to work and deal with the idiosyncrasy of Windows.

They are more expensive, but they are better machines.  

I've lost data on Windows machines, I've had unrecoverable crashes, and had my email hacked on Windows machines.  I've never had that happen on Macs.

I use a MacBook Pro.  
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Re: MacBook
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2020, 10:32:39 PM »
Do you use iMovie for your videos?

I've been doing some stuff with iMovie on my phone but its way to small to be comfortable.  Thinking about a Ipad Pro or a MacBook just so I can use that app.

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Re: MacBook
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2020, 10:35:16 PM »
I am tired of Again.....again.  'Nother New Laptop

I ordered this today:  LINK
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Re: MacBook
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2020, 10:45:24 PM »
iMovie comes with Mac and is one of the the easiest and most intuitive video editors to use.  I've made videos with it, and even though its free, it's better than 90% of the video editors out there.  

I also use the other Mac product, Final Cut Pro, which is a professional video editor.  
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Take steps to save steps.

If it wont roll, its not a log; its still a piece of tree.  Sawmills cut logs, not pieces of trees.

Kiln drying wood: When the cookies are burned, theyre burned, and you cant fix them.  Dont burn the cookies.

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Re: MacBook
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2020, 11:00:13 PM »
Avoid MacBook models with the butterfly keyboard and you should get a fine machine. The Touchbar gets mixed reviews. 

Most models are difficult to upgrade components like RAM and storage.  Get what you need at purchase, max RAM available for the model under consideration is suggested. 

The Apple ecosystem plays nicely with Apple products (iPhone, Apple TV) less so with outside vendors. For example, if you have to type text on an Apple TV it can automatically Handoff text entry to an iPhone or iPad. 

Siri is good at limited tasks, and works best with Apple's default apps. 

The new Apple M1 macs are receiving positive reviews. 



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Re: MacBook
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2020, 01:04:30 AM »
Most models are difficult to upgrade components like RAM and storage.


Actually impossible as the RAM and SSD storage are soldered to the system board. Not removable, and no expansion slots. If the RAM or SSD go bad, the machine is toast. 

Having said that, they work pretty well, especially if you have an Apple "ecosystem". 

It's just their lack of serviceability and some questionable design issues puts me off them. I like to tinker with old computers, fix them up, upgrade them etc. Basically impossible in the Apple system. 

Dumpster dive some old i3 boxes, throw in a recycled Xeon CPU from China, a new SSD, max out the RAM, fit a 2nd hand GPU and you have a pretty sweet Linux box for about $100 ;D
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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2020, 10:06:30 AM »
I've lost data on Windows machines, I've had unrecoverable crashes, and had my email hacked on Windows machines.  I've never had that happen on Macs.
 
As I said earlier, I've not experienced any of those issues on my Toshiba laptops. But I used to run PowerMacs at work, and those crashed all the time. When you seen the spinning disk, you was going down. :D And the Classics always crashed with removeable media, they locked up. When I wrote my undergrad thesis the prof insisted on me using a Mac SE to write it and the Stats software on the data processing. After awhile and so many crashes he let me do my writing on a non-Mac machine. :D :D

I run robust programs and none of those have ever crashed.

Right now some hand weavers are having a heck of time with the latest Apple OS. It does not like the drivers to run compudobby looms. And it is not a software issue, definitely the OS. This software (I know of at least 2 different programs than run on Mac) is updated regularly and not flaky at all on previous versions nor does it screw up on Windows 10 or previous versions back to XP.

I regularly run a GIS and GPS software, never had issues. Office 2013 has always worked great, I use Excel more than any of the rest. Photoshop is also solid.

They finally fixed the new Facebook so it doesn't lag when typing or crash when uploading a file. Bad code, not the browser.
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Re: MacBook
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2021, 08:46:16 AM »
I have been Mac-A-ttacked!!   :P   Will it be a good move or a $1K mistake, time will tell??   smiley_dizzy

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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2021, 09:21:12 AM »
I hope it's something simple because they are machines that only 'authorized' service centres do work on, except a few service people know where to order the parts and fix them when the warranty is gone. For far less.
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« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2021, 11:08:38 AM »
I have been Mac-A-ttacked!!   :P   Will it be a good move or a $1K mistake, time will tell??   smiley_dizzy
It is one attack you will realize was not an attack at all and you will wonder whay you resisted so long. It is very probable that you will still be using it in 10 years.
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Re: MacBook
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2021, 09:06:17 AM »
This MacBook Air is the same except different.   smiley_dizzy   There are some features that I really like and others (photos) that I am still unsure of.  I have downloaded some pictures and uploaded/posted them but I have not gotten comfortable with the resizing app yet.

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EDIT:  I just downloaded Firefox.  Wow, it just like coming back home..... :)

'Nother EDIT:  All Bookmarks transported!!  8)
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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2021, 11:44:25 AM »
The proverbial "back in business" ? :D
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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2021, 12:54:33 PM »
We are a house divided.  I do PC/andriod and my bride does Mac/iphone.  There are some neat features to her Apple stuff but it does operate a bit different, at least to me.

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Re: MacBook
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2021, 02:44:39 PM »
Thankfully the PC Laptop did not die, just slow to boot up.  Matter of fact I still have the fully operating "backup" PC Laptop, so I now have two spares.  This Mac has a Word Processor and Spreadsheet, and I am hoping that my spreadsheet files will move without me having to "code up" a new one here.  That or I can easily use the PC spreadsheets as they are.

I absolutely love this "Trackpad" and the boot up speed is phenomenal.  :o  We both have iPhones and PatD uses an iPad for her stuff.

Another EDIT:  I prefer to resize my photos (640X480) before uploading because the upload goes much faster.  With the PC, I could resize and upload several photos at the time because there is a checkbox in the top left corner.  I can not find a checkbox with the Mac, so each task has to be done individually.  I have learned how to do it, but it really slows down my picture posting.  :-X

And maybe the last EDIT:  I already had/have an "Image Resize" App on my phone so my dilemma is solved.  :)  I believe that this was my last hurdle to overcome before making a final decision.   ;D
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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2021, 10:04:07 PM »
Using Finder, select the images you wish to resize.
Open or Open With Preview (Mac OS's default image viewer a useful tool for images and PDFs)

Edit / Select ALL

Tools / Adjust Size (select appropriate options)

  OK

I'm not a huge fan of Numbers nor Pages.  I prefer Google Docs and Sheets as I can use Windows or a Chromebook to edit on the go. Office and LibreOffice run the same as on Windows.

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Re: MacBook
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2021, 10:25:18 PM »
Office was was originally designed for Macs, and are easily available. So you can still use Word, Excel, etc.

Just buy Office for Mac.  

 
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« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2021, 03:14:40 AM »
I use mainly Excel these days, and not just number crunching. Use it in design by making use of cell formatting and color. I have used Access quite extensively and wrote two database programs for it, one for tracking wood trucking and another for timber cruise data. I've used Word a lot in the past, but I'm not writing reports much these days, although occasionally use it to document how I did a certain task, sometimes a one of thing that I might forget in 2 years.

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Re: MacBook
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2021, 08:08:43 AM »
Dont forget about Airdrop on your Mac, where you can transfer pictures and video effortlessly to each machine, as well as iCloud, which allows you to access them over any and every IOS device you have automatically.  Take a picture with your phone, plug in j. To charge for the evening, sit down with the Mac, and everything is there at your fingertips.  

I also love that my IPhone and Mac are always connected when within range, so when my phone rings, I simply answer it on my Mac. 



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Take steps to save steps.

If it wont roll, its not a log; its still a piece of tree.  Sawmills cut logs, not pieces of trees.

Kiln drying wood: When the cookies are burned, theyre burned, and you cant fix them.  Dont burn the cookies.

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Re: MacBook
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2021, 06:59:18 PM »
Selecting multiple pictures on a MacBook air:

1) open photos
2) hold down command key for the duration
3)use the trackpad to 'hover' over photo
4) click trackpad to select photo
5)Remembering to hold down the command key, move cursor to next pic, click trackpad, etc

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Re: MacBook
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2021, 07:28:51 PM »
Thank You, I needed that.  :P

I still am not doing well with Preview although I have resized a few pictures.  

EDIT:  Yeah, I resized and uploaded multiple photos!!  Your "command" tip did it.  smiley_thumbsup
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« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2021, 05:46:22 AM »
You are quite welcome, Magic Man.

 David Pogue I believe is the gentleman's name. I think he has a series called "the missing manual" for Macs. Phenomenal resource.

"Thank you (God) I needed that" Was how I was exposed to Mac products through my little sister whom I house/pet set for 2 years to the day in Richmond Virginia.

 I can't say it enough. It is I who wish to thank you, and many others, present or not, for this vast cornucopia of knowledge and effort.

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Re: MacBook
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2021, 08:05:18 PM »
Thank you Sir, ordered.  :P

A Grandson is coming this week which will be helpful, but I have already done all of the day-to-day stuff.
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« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2021, 04:59:09 AM »
It's funny when the first home computers were on the market, the motherboard schematic and the programming manual was included. Now it's a secret, unless you go digging. ;D
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Re: MacBook
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2021, 07:06:22 PM »
My son convinced me 7 years ago this month to buy this mac, still runs, battery is still good, i have problems with photo's but that is just me. I am not fussy on everything costs on a mac, but no virus, no worries, it just works, along with my phone.  My GF has a mac 14 years old, leaves it plugged in and she still uses it for her old editing programs she likes. 
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« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2021, 06:33:59 AM »
As far as bootup time on PC's, you can have instant on if you just power up and down with the power button. You don't need to do a deep cycle shutdown or restart every time you use your PC. You'd only need that when updating. Mine comes right back up and ready to go in less than 2 seconds. :D
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Re: MacBook
« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2021, 04:50:51 PM »
The Grandson came and I learned a few nice shortcuts.  :P  Now if I can remember them.... ::)
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« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2021, 05:16:37 PM »
@Magicman I know how you feel!
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Re: MacBook
« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2021, 10:46:49 AM »
There is no question that I am keeping the Macbook Air.  The Trackpad, Bootup speed, Battery life, Battery recharge time, Physical size/weight, etc. are all deal makers.  Firefox is transparent with what I was already accustomed to.

I can easily resize my photos on my iPhone "Image Size" app and quickly upload them thus avoiding the, to me, cumbersome and multi-step "Preview" app on the Mac.  I have always had the phone's Image Size app, just never used it.  Recent photos are automatically transferred to and viewed in the Mac and I choose which or whether to actually upload them.

If/when I get a text or phone call I get a notifier like I do here on the FF.  I can then respond to either on the Mac if I desire.

Not trying to convince anyone, just stating my thoughts (so far).
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Re: MacBook
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2021, 11:12:32 AM »
The interoperability of apple devices is nice. They function together really well and just seem to work the way you want without jumping through hoops. Im on pc for desktop and laptop but my ipad and iphone work together very well and I appreciate the synergy.  I especially like how text messages show up on both devices. Do they show up your laptop too?  

 Maybe someday Ill move to apple for the desktop but no real reason to at this point. 

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« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2021, 01:53:39 PM »
I don't recall ever having to resize photos when uploading them from the apple Photos app. It must resize them automatically because my photos are usually 17 to 26 MB.

After I have opened the FF photo upload page I open the Apple Photo App and select the photo(s) I want to up load and drag and drop to the "Or drop photos here" box and let the computer do the rest.

To select more than one photo in a row hold down the shift key and click with track pad on the first and last photo that you want to move the release the shift key.

To select more than one photo that is not in a row hold down the command key and click with the track pad the photos you want to move then release the command key.

Then you can click (and hold down) on any of the selected photos and drag and drop all of them to the "Or drop phots here) box.

This photo of a deer trimming the vegetation around the flower garden at my back door was 25.2 MB, (select, drag, drop) no resizing was required.




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« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2021, 02:33:14 PM »
Thank Jeff for that, not Apple. Give credit where it is due. :D Windows can do much the same as Apple. I have programs that I need to use that are not available on Mac computers. I just don't have any issues with the hardware or functionality and I get done what I have to get done. ;D

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« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2021, 05:04:03 PM »
Thank Jeff for that, not Apple. Give credit where it is due.


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Re: MacBook
« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2021, 08:41:50 PM »
Yes, the FF software can/will automatically resize your photos when uploading them to your Gallery.  My situation is that I have relatively slow internet service and I have found that if I resize them they will upload really fast.  If I do not it's like watching paint dry.  There really is not a great difference between this Mac and a PC and I am aware about using the Command key to select multiple photos.

I had no problem with getting another PC except that I have had several bad experiences with several bad PC's and had grown weary.  :-X  I probably could have spent the same $$ and gotten another PC and been OK.

I did not make my final decision whether to keep or return this Mac until last evening.
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« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2021, 09:25:05 PM »
My son just told me that the little black Macbook the Grandson was using for games that we bought in 99 died this week so he bought his wife a new MacBook Air fully maxed out and passed the 4 year old 15" MacBook Pro that she was using to the Grandson. He's pretty pumped over it as in; " Grandpa, I can play ALL the games now and it's so fast!"

He started on an IPad at 16 months and he can do more with Grandma's Iphone than Grandma can.  

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Re: MacBook
« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2021, 10:45:20 AM »
I couldn't get my version of EXCEL files to transfer so I closed out last years spreadsheets on the PC.  I then built all of my formulas in my new Mac "Numbers" spreadsheet files for this year.  It's a bit different but the principal and formulation is the same so I am up and running.  Printing them is much easier.

I am loving this "jet fast" speed.
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Re: MacBook
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2021, 08:40:46 AM »
This is just an update on the MacBook.  I have been using it for 4 months and everything that I said in Reply #32 above still applies.  Without question I absolutely love this thing. 

Yes, I am handling pictures differently now but even that is much faster and more convenient.  "Pages" and "Numbers" are serving me very well as my word processor and spreadsheets.  A bit differently but overall the same.

No, I am not suggesting that everyone nor anyone dash out and buy a Mac but for me, switching was a good decision.
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Re: MacBook
« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2021, 09:05:48 AM »
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Very glad to hear that MM.  Macs rule.  They just work, and work fast.  

Don't forget about Macs being much more virus proof than PC's.  My Mother just got mega hacked on her not too old Windows PC.  The thieves blew right through Windows Defender, dropped all her firewalls, stole some bank stuff, personal identity, and then proceeded to use that information to attack every single bank account she has.  Police reports were filed, banks accounts were changed, this was a total mess, taking weeks to clean up.

We locked things down, I got the PC back to clean it up, and after just a few hours of working with it, I was reminded how cumbersome it was.  It was like going back to a vehicle without power steering and power brakes.  

Anyway, we talked her into getting a new MacBook Pro, which wasn't hard when she realized that our whole family with quite a large diversity of occupations including dentists, engineers, business managers, nurses, etc had switched to Macs years ago.  The first few days were not easy for her getting up on the learning curve, but as she said, it was more learning how to skip steps than relearning new ones.  She said instead of doing A, B, C, D, E, F, and D like she did with a PC, instead, with a Mac she started at A, skipped all the steps in between and and went directly to step D.

She likes the Mac so much, she switched to an iPhone, and loves that, also, because the Apple interfaces are so similar.  She is 81 yers old.  

     
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« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2021, 04:54:38 PM »
Glad you're having great luck on your Mac. smiley_thumbsup

But, I re-iterate as I said before, I have no issues with Toshiba laptops. They work and do what I need to do. :) Now rebranded as Dynabook, I will certainly buy one without hesitation when the time comes.  Had the current one 8 years now without fail. ;)
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Re: MacBook
« Reply #43 on: June 04, 2021, 10:46:38 PM »
I am chasing one gremlin that may or may not be me.  Occasionally while typing a reply my text jumps to random places within the previously typed text.  I am not convinced that the trackpad is causing it because I have disabled the "touch" option and have to actually "click" the touchpad to move the curser.  I am also careful to not touch the trackpad while typing. 

Maybe someone has an answer for me?
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« Reply #44 on: June 04, 2021, 11:30:18 PM »
If it were me, Id get a mouse and stop using the trackpad.  Trackpads are problematic for me. The problem is likely from inadvertent finger or hand contact with the trackpad.  Just a guess coupled with my personal trackpad difficulties. It would at least be helpful to try a mouse while youre trying to figure it out. Bluetooth probably the best mouse option. 
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